Saturday, 24 August 2013

CARDINAL KEITH O BRIEN - TEST FOR CHURCH AND POPE FRANCIS


ARCHBISHOP MARIO CONTI OF GLASGOW REVEALED YESTERDAY THAT THE DISGRACED CARDINAL KEITH O BRIEN PERSONALLY BLOCKED A NATIONAL ENQUIRY INTO SEX ABUSE IN THE SCOTTISH ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH !

OBVIOUSLY O BRIEN WAS AFRAID THAT IF SUCH AN ENQUIRY WENT AHEAD IT WOULD EXPOSE HIM AS ONE OF THE PRIME ABUSERS HIMSELF ! 

THIS LATEST REVELATION PROVES THAT EVEN IN 2013 - WITH ALL THE HORRIBLE STORIES THAT HAVE EMERGED - THERE ARE STILL SENIOR PEOPLE IN THE ROMAN CHURCH WHO ARE DETERMINED THAT THE SORDID TRUTHS REMAIN HIDDEN.

ONLY LAST YEAR - 2012 - CARDINAL O BRIEN WAS SWANNING AROUND AT THE INTERNATIONAL EUCHARISTIC CONGRESS IN DUBLIN IN ALL HIS GLORY - AND EVERYBODY - BISHOPS, PRIESTS AND LAITY WERE FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER TO STAND AND HAVE THEIR PICTURE TAKING WITH THE SEXUAL PREDATOR.
BISHOP FARQUHAR (BELFAST) CARDINAL KEITH O BRIEN AND FR BRIAN WATERS (BELFAST)
(Pic courtesy of Fr Brian Waters)

I WONDER IF O BRIEN WOULD BE WELCOME FOR TEA IN FARQUHAR'S HOUSE TODAY?

THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS LOST MOST OF ITS REPUTATION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THOSE DYED IN THE WOOL CATHOLICS WHO WILL ACCEPT ANYTHING FROM THE CHURCH.


KEITH O BRIEN HAS VIRTUALLY GIVEN THE TWO FINGER SIGN TO THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE OF SCOTLAND, TO HIS FELLOW SCOTTISH BISHOPS AND TO THE VATICAN AND POPE FRANCIS.

HE IS BASICALLY SAYING: "IF I WANT I CAN ABUSE SEMINARIANS AND PRIESTS FOR DECADES, I CAN STOP ALL ENQUIRIES INTO MY ABUSE AND I CAN STILL REMAIN A CARDINAL AND LIVE WHERE I WANT - DOING WHAT I WANT.


HE EVEN THOUGHT THAT AFTER A FEW WEEKS ON HOLIDAY HE COULD WALK BACK INTO A CHURCH PROPERTY IN SCOTLAND, RENOVATE IT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM AND LIVE THERE LIKE THE PRINCE HE CONSIDERS HIMSELF TO BE.

HE IS BASICALLY SAYING F*** THE POPE; F*** THE VATICAN; F*** THE SCOTTISH BISHOPS; F*** THE PEOPLE - I AM DIFFERENT, I AM SPECIAL AND I WILL DO WHAT I WANT.

POPE FRANCIS' CREDIBILITY IS AT STAKE ON THIS ONE. KEITH O BRIEN SHOULD HAVE HIS CARDINALATE REMOVED AND HE SHOULD BE REDUCED TO THE "LAY STATE" LIKE ALL OTHER PRIEST ABUSERS ARE.

IF POPE FRANCIS AND THE VATICAN ALLOW HIM TO GET AWAY WITH HIS ABSOLUTE ARROGANCE - THEN THAT WILL BE THE LAST STRAW FOR THE CHURCH.






62 comments:

  1. Keith O Brien seems to have no morals, no conscience and no respect for anyone.

    He is a typical cynical cleric who wanted to climb to the top, have his cake and eat it, and lecture others on morals.

    Mother of struggling gay priest - Belfast

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    1. I presume your son has been very honest with you?

      Thats excellent.

      There is no need for him to be "struggling".

      Pat

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  2. The letter from Archbishop Mario Conti (aka The Duchess among Scottish clergy) is a bit late in the day.Is his letter anything to do with him putting some distance between himself and the Scottish Hierarchy members between 1980 and 2012 especially as it is the talk in media circles that there is an avalanche waiting to come down the mountain and engulf the Catholic Church in Scotland. Catherine Devanney, the Observer journalist, who broke the initial story is allegedly sitting on more stories which are reputed to be absolutely toxic.
    If the rumours are to believed, and many of them are coming from trusted clergy, O'Brien will not be the only Bishop disgraced before the year is out. Stand by.

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    1. The only way to sort out this mess is to lance the boil and let all the puss out.

      Is it not very sad that the media are the only ones engaged in cleansing the church.

      What about the words of Christ: THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

      It seems that many in the Roman denomination do not want truth :-(

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  3. As a gay priest in the diocese I am finding life really difficult. I am celibate and I have never ever broken my promise, however, I am unhappy, I am living a very immature and inward looking sexuality that is not healthy.

    I know this to be the case, I have only had the courage in recently months to deal with this through reading, searching and attempting to take ownership of who I am.

    Question: Who can I turn to in the diocese for help?

    Newish - PP

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  4. May I remind the good cardinal of the words of those theologians, the Rolling Stones: 'You can't always get what you want!'

    We we that very well in D&C!

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  5. I think the Cardinal has done a great deal of harm to the Church. He should have in conscience refused the position of cardinal and the fact that for so many years he lived like that shows a high sense of irresponsiblity and cruelity to a church that loved and trusted him so much. However, the church cannot abandon him or because of pressure from the world cast him out. He still belongs to us! He must show true repentance, maybe voluntarily recind his 'cardinalship' and then retire peaceful away from the public to live the rest of his life in prayer and meditation.

    George

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  6. The French Jesuit & Cardinal Louis Billot resigned in 1927 over his disagreement with Pius XI about Action Française, and died a simple priest in 1931.

    Cardinal O'Brien would still be a (retired) Archbishop, but not a Cardinal. If he doesn't have the decency to do it himself, Pope Francis can do it for him.

    Is there the will to clean this mess up!

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  7. From whom much has been given, much is demanded. From one who has been gifted and has sinned, much should be demanded. O'Briens sins (not his homosexuality) are the cause of his downfall: imposition of his power and will on subordinates; arrogance; hypocrisy and obvious abuse of his office and vows. Until and unless he forfeits as much as he abused, he has not repented. Even if and when he is forgiven, his egregiousness should not be forgotten, nor should he be allowed to live as if it has..

    Whw will we get accountability?

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  8. I experienced the physical cruelty inflicted upon children from the age of seven! The capital sin here is abuse of authority whereby hierarchies have attributed to themselves quasi-divine powers reliant on quasi-superstition of the faithful and clergy to sustain them to cover up their criminal behaviour.

    It requires considerable courage to withstand this, knowing that excommunication, ostracism and physical penury may well result. A position you know only to well Pat. Jesus's stand against the pharisees should give us courage, but even Jesus was assailed by doubt-Father, why have you abandonned me? The Pharisees got him in the end.

    Good riddance O'Brien, for the many years he exercised hypocritical power, and his many equals, including the shower in Lisbreen. Jesus threatened millstones, but we may pray that he be spared the lochs and be offered a life-belt. Once he has repared the damage his dictatorial regime inflicted. Angry, I surely am, but I shall not name the dead or dying.

    Holy prelates in denial!!!! There are many!!!! Even the Benedict emeritus was unsensitive to the cruelty of his decisions. How I wish he had the grace to quietly disappear!

    I would sign myself as cleric, no, just a man.

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  9. He was raised by JPII!!!

    Shouldn't the Pope have been informed by others in the Curia prior to the promotion? I am sure they knew about his moral behaviour or may have even heard whispers from the Scottish hierarchy. Scotland has many (other) fine candidates for cardinal.

    What a difference from Cardinal Gordon Gray this man is.....Many of JPII other candidates for cardinal also look suspect from their moral, ethical and integrity point of view.

    Not just this man. Another trip to Rome to be shielded rather like Bernard Law?....

    Why not make the good cardinal a saint, that would cover it all!!

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    1. He was raised by Benedict by the way!! Not that it matters, your point is vaid either way.

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  10. Repentance is obviously for the little people....like my gran who sat at the back of the church for 37 years and never took communion as she had gotten divorced. She was a brave woman who protected who children from abuse, she was a saint!

    But why should a prince of the church even be sorry?

    A thinking catholic without clerics in my life!

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  11. A step in the right direction: Cardinal O'Brien must serve penance and acknowledge the gravity of his sins, hypocrisy, abuse of power, dishonesty, and sevaral alleged assaults of a sexual nature whilst in a position of power and under a vow of celibacy. I wholly support Pope Francis on this matter.

    Joan

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  12. I can'understand why Keith O'Brien should still be addressed as Eminence. Respect has to be earned surely! I have always been at odds with the Catholic church over womans issues ie Birth Control, Women Priests. Again so much understanding given to clergy. What about poor women in the past guilt ridden over the fact they have taken the pill, not much understanding from the Catholic Church given to them!!.

    Female first and Catholic second.

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  13. Is it time for the Irish Bishops to be exposed???

    I have heard a few stories!

    Senior Cleric

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  14. This whole sordid story has a wider implication: According to an American statistical study about 4% of U.S. priests ministering from 1950 to 2002 were accused of sex abuse with a minor, according to the first comprehensive national study of the issue. 4% is almost one in 20. Compare that with the population of the UK: we have about 0,04% of the population on the sex offender register. Statistically this means that a priest is about 100 times more likely to be a sex offender than an ordinary UK citizen.

    Why?

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  15. In secular professional life such behaviour would be deemed gross professional misconduct and the perpetrator would be de-registered publicly. Clergy are, I believe, the only professional group still not regulated. The word entitlement has been used in this blog and that sums up a culture whereby abuse of adults can continue. There lacks a proper understanding of the dreadful psychological and spiritual consequences of clergy using a position of trust and power to exploit/abuse. The are also no real effective channels of complaint/ redress as a result of that culture.

    This is a very serious issue!!

    Catholic Lawyer

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  16. The founder of Christianity himself suggested that only those without sin had the right to cast a stone - why are we then so unwilling to follow in his footsteps? Keith O'Brien needs our compassion and forgiveness at this time, not our censure and vitriolic criticism!

    John

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  17. At primary school, fifty years ago, I was taught of the need for contrition, confession and satisfaction. The last involved an attempt to undo damage caused by sin. A simple example being the repayment of money stolen. I doubt if the Cardinal's very brief press statement is sufficient recompense for the damage done to the church and those he was given the role of leading. It appears - though very little concerning Cardinal O'Brien is known with certainty - that he chose to go to live in church property without the permission of the Apostolic Administrator. Only a small minority of elderly Catholics in Edinburgh could afford to retire to Dunbar. Most, despite living decent lives, have to live in notably poorer circumstances. Cardinal O'Brien's conduct suggests an attitude of entitlement which is at odds with the position he attained as a leader in the Catholic Church.

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  18. The Cardinal took a vow of celibacy when he became a Priest. He has been accused by several Priests of using his position to assault them in some way or another - the full details have not been published ... He has admitted to offending whilst a Priest, a Bishop, and as a Cardinal. He then took a very public stance condemning homosexuality whilst at the same time had himself participated in homosexual sex on several occasions: not a momentarily lapse followed by repentance. He has lived a double life, lied and lied again, used his position of power to exploit and assault others - driving one heterosexual Priest away from his vocation and causing distress to others who deserved better. I have no issue with Clergy who have had the very rare lapse of straight or gay sex then repented but in the case of the Cardinal this would seem to involve many lapses over a long period of time; and some of the lapses involved unwanted fondling of Priests, causing them distress and confusion. Jesus said let them without sin cast the first stone and the crowd disappeared but then he said the the woman 'Go and sin no more.' This means that we can be forgiven but then are meant to not repeat the sin again. We expect higher standards from a Priest, more perfection from a Bishop, and exemplary standards from a Cardinal.

    What fools we ordinary Catholics really are!! I gave 50 quid a week to my parish - NO MORE, NO MORE!!

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  19. O'Brien seems to equate forgiveness with total lack of accountability. He is not somehow owed a very comfortable retirement wherever he wants, as though forcing his sexual preferences on seminarians is of no consequence. His admission was in the most bleached language possible and he retains title of prince of the church. O'Brien's supporters are a terrible reminder of the blindness of deference to clergy. I read in heartbreaking terms of the seminarian who left his pursuit of a vocation because he knew he would otherwise have to swear obedience to someone who abused him for sexual purposes. Where is the publicly expressed gratitude to the priests with the extraordinary courage to come forward? Has anyone even thought of them?

    An abused priest.

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  20. (Extract from Russell Shaw's book: Nothing to Hide: Secrecy, Communication, and Communion in the Catholic Church.)

    By clericalism I mean an elitist mindset, together with structures and patterns of behavior corresponding to it, which takes it for granted that clerics in the Catholic context, mainly bishops and priests are intrinsically superior to the other members of the Church and deserve automatic deference. Passivity and dependence are the laity's lot. By no means is clericalism confined to clerics themselves. The clericalist mindset is widely shared by Catholic lay people.

    We are a sick Church and I am looking forward to the Congress in Belfast, will it be a clerical show!!

    At least we are having three of them singing!!

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  21. O'Brien should be stripped at the very least of the title of cardinal. Wanting to retire to a cosy spot paid for by others is not acceptable and seems to confirm the serious personal flaws that led to his disgraceful behaviour: selfishness and worldliness perhaps.

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  22. I’m still waiting for more dirt to surface on O’Brien and on our own Bishops!

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  23. The fickle finger of fate has yet to point in that direction.

    Beware Lisbreen!!

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  24. Did he know that he would be found out? More than likely.

    Best they begin the investigation again. On second thoughts, let the police investigate! If the church does it, we all know that they will try to cover up as much as they can.

    Frank

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  25. Conti is far worse than O’Brien ever was. And how convenient for him to accuse O’Brien now that the Vatican have gagged him.

    Scottish Cleric

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  26. Conti himself is allegedly no stranger to covering up abuse when he was a lowly priest. One victim is supposed to have went to Conti and was dismissed as an “unreliable witness.” And remember Conti spoke out in support of the Nazareth House nuns, suggesting their alleged victims were making it up and only doing it for the money, he even supported one nun who was found guilty, trivialising the abuse.

    They are actually very ill men!

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  27. And Conti also refused to vacate the official residence of the Archbishop of Glasgow upon his retirement, so they catholic church splashed out on rennovating and refurbishing another house for the new Archbishop, Philip Tartaglia. One report I read said it cost £500,000 – all because of Conti’s selfish desire to live in luxury. So to hear him trying to take the moral high ground is rather galling.

    Sounds like Lisbreen - Piss off Noel, HA HA!

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  28. I’ll expect the usual anodyne anaemic lo-cost response from the RC cult in Scotland I.e “prayers” “support” & “counselling” . As an ex R C Scot I want their organisation shut down ;their priests, bishops and cardinals sent to The Vatican on the next plane out. Their properties and monies distributed to the abused

    A angry gay and anti-catholic man

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  29. This man’s obvious psychological problems are a direct consequence of religious ‘conditioning’. ALL his natural instincts have been atrificially suppressed. “Be celibate” – “Don’t be gay” … is it any wonder so many catholic priests turn to drink? The whole outfit is sick. It exists soley for its own selfish, controlling ends and has always played on the superstitions and fears of those on whom it can impose its will.

    Man of faith and not church

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  30. I think the Catholic Church in Scotland: and if not: particular members like O’Brian.

    Should face an investigation by the police. if it is true they blocked an investigation surly this would make them accessory’s (after the fact) to the crimes.

    Possibly perverting the course of Justice?

    Make them accountable for God's sake!!!!!

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  31. Let us not forget that Mario Conti called for the retention of the ridiculous Section 28, and opposed the introduction of civil partnerships on the ground that “the homosexual relationship is subversive”.

    These really are sick people.

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  32. Disappointed to see your blog report this shameless “blame the homo” propaganda as fact.

    If O’Brien knew about abuse cover ups (and he probably did) then so did Conti and the rest of the theocratic mafia.

    Since they’ve never done it before with any other retired clergy accused of this crap you have to wonder of they’d have been as quick to chuck O’Brien under the bus if it wasn’t for him being outed.

    Gay Nun

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  33. They make me sick. IT never occurs to any of them to CALL THE POLICE when they know of definite cases of child abuse. None of them ever did. I hope the thought of all the suffering they allowed stays with them for ever.

    It would be nice but somehow I think the only things that really concern them are their careers, power and privileges.

    Noel and his club - what are the differences??

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  34. This is what happens when you are indoctrinated into church power, you lose all sense of right and wrong - Noel take note!!

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  35. it doesn't matter how much good the church might have done, or claims to have done ... it cannot make amends for the evil committed by it's members, in perpetuating and hiding the truth.

    It is time the people involved were put on trial and the guilty sentenced as would be any member of society .. are they claiming to be above the law? .. because it sure seems that way.

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  36. Another nail in the coffin for any Catholic Apologists. Will the new Pope do anything about it?

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  37. when are they going to be brought before a court? ... when are these pedophiles going to be prosecuted and sent to jail ???

    HOW LONG IS THIS COVER UP GOING TO CONTINUE ???

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  38. Ah, another Atheist Cardinal and cleric hiding in plane sight....!

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  39. I was brought up at a time when certain positions in society attracted, by default, the highest level of trust - doctors, policemen & women, teachers and priests are a few. I am no media expert but when I consider recent coverage regarding the catholic church it prompts an interesting question. Would you leave your child with a member of this organisation? Things have turned turtle, and not for the good!

    English grandfather

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  40. Would you support the church turning over this Cardinal for investigation of civil crimes, just as Operation Yewtree investigated entertainers? Arrest ALL suspected priests and suspected hierarchy (for covering up)?

    Are you onboard for Operation Chancery?

    Thinker

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  41. The military have prisons for "their own". Perhaps the Catholic church should have the same. It would certainly provide an area of growth that they could do with !!!

    What do you think?

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  42. Dear oh dear oh dear, when will the Catholic church take some responsibility for the thousands of cases of abuse throughout the world & at least take some action against a man who has already acknowledged that his sexual conduct had at times fallen beneath the standards expected of him.
    I can virtually guarantee that after his "leave of absence" from Scotland, he will come back to his church funded wee cottage in Dunbar. This whole affair stinks!!!

    A concerned Mother

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  43. Sadly i think the Scottish Govt needs to intervene and create a Royal Commission around this case. The Bishops Conference can't just blame O'Brien when case in more than six diocese were know. Why wasn't the Police or Procurator Fiscal informed. Everyone at the table had a duty of care. not just the failed leader. expect to hear much more about this case.

    Watch this space!

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  44. Down and Connor hierarchy know only too well what is coming and when it arrives bishops, priests, brothers and even respected catholic figures in public life will be heading for cover and good decent 'ordinary' catholics will be left stunned. We haven't long to wait.

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  45. So , because he is a Cardinal , he is above the law ??? , what kind of World do we live in . This guy is an admitted pervert , who caused suffering to so many . He broke the law of the land and the Church he was supposed to represent . He should be looking out of a prison cell , never mind any period of "spiritual renewal and reflection" .Or are these people not held to the same standards as everyone else .?

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  46. Conti is a hypocrite. He cant tell us that he didn't know about O'Briens behaviour with other priests when my aunt, a chapel housekeeper in the Motherwell Diocese was able to tell us about it years ago. She also told us that the Glasgow diocese covered up a missing 12 million pound scandal a number of years ago when cardinal Winning was the bishop. And yes Conti is living in the archbishops palace in Glasgow even though he has retired while the new guy has to live in a flat nearby. The people of Glasgow should tell him where to get off !!

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    1. 12 million, dear God - how do they get away with this stuff!! Are they the mafia?

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  47. I disagree with the retired Bishop of Motherwell when he says "an independent investigation into alleged abuse by priests – parallel, for instance, to the Nolan inquiry in England and Wales – was not necessary." Whether his "tiny" means 2, 20 or 200 is totally irrelevant. It is the abuse, and more importantly any cover-up or attempt to cover-up of the sexual abuse of children, that must be investigated no matter how long ago it happened.


    The problem with the hierarchy, whether in Scotland or the United States, is their lack of honesty. True transparency and accountability for what they have done will not help in re-establishing a reputation or any moral authority that is now non-existent. They have destroyed it by the way they, as a group, have handled the sexual abuse scandal involving children, young women, men or vulnerable adults.


    Sister Maureen Paul Turlish

    Advocate for Victim/Survivors & Legislative Reform

    New Castle, Delaware, USA

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  48. Living Church Congress (Saturday 28th September)

    The Living Church Congress will take place in the Waterfront Hall, Belfast on Saturday 28th September. This is a key event in the life of our diocese and we will be delighted to have you present on the day. The congress will allow each of us to engage with our own role in the life of the Church. it will be an opportunity to gather in support of our new pastoral plan and to spend time hearing our guest speakers, engaging in conversations with others from every part of the diocese as we unite around our shared mission.

    To register for the congress you can contact your local parish office and register to attend with the other delegates from your parish.

    Alternatively, you can download and complete our registration form and send to the Living Church Office. Attendance at the congress is £10 to help offset the cost of the congress.

    Congress Registration Form

    We look forward to welcoming you.

    Get going friends - concerned PP

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  49. An invitation to be a part of our Diocesan Congress

    Come give your point of view friend.

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  50. CARDINAL O’Brien should have been ordered to undergo psychological treatment instead of three months of prayer and penance according to the four priests whose accusations of sexual misconduct led to the ­resignation of the Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh.



    In the wake of the Vatican’s decision to order Britain’s most senior cleric to leave Scotland, the men insisted that the cardinal remained a danger and that stripping him of his red hat should not be ruled out by the Pope.

    One of the priests said: “Keith is extremely manipulative and needs help to be challenged out of his denial. If he does not receive treatment, I believe he is still a danger to himself and to others.”

    The four men are demanding an investigation into O’Brien’s “predatory behaviour” and insist that despite making formal complaints to the Papal Nuncio three months ago they have not been told if there is a formal investigation into the cardinal.

    Lenny, which is not his real name, is an ex-priest who said he became involved in an abusive relationship with O’Brien.

    Yesterday he was quoted as saying: “Removing O’Brien from Scotland might temporarily reduce the embarrassment to the Church authorities, but this story has not been fully told yet. We have been patient, but I’m still waiting to be told what, if any, process the Church has in mind.”

    Another priest said: “They’re all passing the buck on this. It’s a smokescreen. We need an investigation and Keith needs to be challenged by professionals to acknowledge the damage he has done to people, himself and the Church.”

    Previously a spokesman for the Catholic Church said no-one had the authority to challenge a cardinal except the Pope. One of the complainants said that attitude was “farcical” and continued: “I don’t care about red hats, but if the red hat is shoring up his perceived power, it has to go.”

    Yesterday it was reported that while there is no official investigation by the Catholic Church in Scotland Bishop John Toal of Argyll has been in contact with the complainants. He said: “It’s been hard listening to what’s being said. But it’s important we hear what they’re saying and the gravity of the situation. If I can help in some way. I will.”

    The four complainants were quoted as saying that any investigation should be about achieving justice and not vengeance. One complainant said: “I will give forgiveness if asked as long as the damage has been recognised. At times we don’t do ourselves a lot of good by throwing pardon around like confetti without a change of heart.

    “I am angry at the system that licked his boots and allowed him to get on with it.”

    An investigation into Cardinal O’Brien’s behaviour was supported yesterday by Professor Werner Jeanrond, a Catholic theologian and master of St Benet’s Hall at Oxford University.

    He said: “Instead of dealing with issues we are constantly presented with this half-baked solution of removing people. It is not a grown-up Church ­handling this case.”

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    1. His last piece in the UK Sun somehow seemed to imply he thought he was the victim in all this and it was his duty to forgive. The man is demented!

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  51. Cardinal Keith O’Brien is alleged to have attempted to grope a priest in Rome on the night of a drinks party celebrating him becoming a ‘prince of the Church’ in October 2003.

    The party where O’Brien allegedly tried to grope a man was attended by a noteable bishops and dignitaries.

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  52. BishopAccountability.org

    A great blog

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  53. AT the end of the day he is a prince of the CHurch, I do not believe any of this, you people are just attacking the Church as usual. I pray for you that you may see the truth and stop telling lies about our priest, bishops and cardinals.

    They are holy men who do no wrong, you make it up.

    Sam

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  54. As an ordinary Catholic I feel so sad about this whole thing, not just Cardinal O'Brien but the whole Church situation! Why can we not all sit down and work it out. I hurt for any priest of religious being unhappy, it is wrong!

    We lay people need to stop expecting so much as well. Ahh I do not have any answers, lets help each other - why does Rome not allow us!

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  55. Bishop Pat, why do you and your priest's not help out with the masses and sacraments? Help out a little.

    Lay Catholic

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  56. An earlier blogger said his aunt was a priests housekeeper in Scotland and that she knew that Glasgow diocese covered up a stg 12 million black hole. Tell her to get her facts right.It was only 10 million. lol

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