Friday, 6 September 2013

INSURANCE COMPANIES NOW DECIDING WHICH PRIESTS RETURN TO MINISTRY!

INSURANCE COMPANIES DECIDING WHICH PRIESTS RETURN TO MINISTRY!


A SENIOR ENGLISH CLERIC WITH CONNECTIONS TO VATICAN AUTHORITIES HAS TOLD ME THIS WEEK THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE NOW DECIDING WHETHER A PRIEST CAN BE RETURNED TO MINISTRY AFTER BEING ACCUSED.

APPARENTLY, IN THE WAKE OF THE WORLD WIDE CLERICAL ABUSE SCANDALS, WHICH HAVE COST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BILLIONS, DIOCESE AROUND THE WORLD NOW HAVE TO INSURE THEMSELVES AGAINST ABUSING PRIESTS.

THE INSURANCE PREMIUMS ARE EXTREMELY HIGH. AND ONE OF THE CONDITIONS BEING LAID DOWN BY THE INSURANCE COMPANIES IS THAT BEFORE ALLOWING ANY ACCUSED PRIEST TO RETURN TO MINISTRY THE DIOCESE AND / OR VATICAN HAVE TO CONSULT THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY.

IN MANY AREAS INSURANCE COMPANY EXECUTIVES ARE ABLE TO EXERCISE A VETO ON ANY PRIEST BEING RETURNED TO MINISTRY.

THIS MEANS THAT ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND EVEN IN THE iRELAND AND ENGLAND A PRIEST WHO IS ACCUSED AND THEN CLEARED MAY BE BANNED FROM MINISTRY - NOT BY HIS BISHOP - BUT BY AN INSURANCE EXECUTIVE.

THAT IN EFFECT MEANS THAT INNOCENT PRIESTS WHO HAVE BEEN WRONGLY ACCUSED, AND CLEARED BY THE POLICE, WILL NOT GET THEIR JOBS BACK!
INNOCENT
ONE ENGLISH BISHOP WHO SPOKE TO ME YESTERDAY ON CONDITION OF ABSOLUTE CONFIDENTIALITY TOLD ME:

"FATHER "A" OF MY DIOCESE WAS ACCUSED BY AN ADULT OF ABUSING HIM WHEN HE WAS 16. I REPORTED THE MATTER TO THE POLICE. THE POLICE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED THE ALLEGATION AND FOUND FATHER "A" INNOCENT AND ALSO FOUND THAT THE COMPLAINANT WAS UNSTABLE. I THEN UNDERTOOK A CHURCH INVESTIGATION WHICH CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION. DURING THE INVESTIGATION IT EMERGED THAT FATHER "A" WAS GAY. HE OFFERED TO RENEW HIS VOW OF ABSOLUTE CELIBACY. BUT OUR INSURANCE PROVIDERS WOULD NOT ALLOW ME TO GIVE HIM AN APPOINTMENT. IF I GET ANOTHER BISHOP, EVEN IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY TO GIVE HIM AN APPOINTMENT I WILL BE ACCUSED OF "SENDING THE PROBLEM ABROAD". FOR NOW I MUST LEAVE FATHER "A" AT HOME WITH HIS PARENTS. I FEEL THAT I AM PARTY TO A GRAVE INJUSTICE

THIS TYPE OF SITUATION IS AS UNJUST AS INJUSTICE CAN GET. EVERY HUMAN BEING MUST BE REGARDED AS INNOCENT UNTIL THEY ARE PROVEN GUILTY. IF THEY GO THROUGH STATE AND CHURCH DUE PROCESS AND ARE FOUND INNOCENT - THEN THEY MUST BE REGARDED AS BEING AS INNOCENT AS IF THE ACCUSATION HAD NEVER BEEN MADE. AND THEIR GOOD NAME MUST BE RESTORED. AND THEY MUST, IF THEY ARE A PRIEST, BE RETURNED TO FULL MINISTRY WITH AN UNTARNISHED REPUTATION.

HAVE WE ARRIVED AT THAT POINT IN THE CHURCH WHERE TO BE ACCUSED IS TO BE GUILTY?

I KNOW THAT DIOCESES AND BISHOPS MUST HAVE ADEQUATE INSURANCE.

BUT THEIR IS SOMETHING VERY ROTTEN ABOUT INSURANCE EXECUTIVES BEING ALLOWED TO DECIDE THAT FATE OF PRIESTS - ESPECIALLY INNOCENT ONES.

SURELY THIS IS A NEW FORM OF HANDING CHRISTIANS OVER TO THE LIONS TO BE DEVOURED?

SADLY, I THINK THAT IN MOST DIOCESES, PRIESTS DO NOT REALISE THAT THEIR FATE AND FUTURE IS IN THE HANDS OF INSURANCE EXECUTIVES.

Bishop Pat Buckley
6.9.2013 




  

56 comments:

  1. Bishop Buckley you have hit the nail on the head about insurance companies being the final arbiter as to whether or not an innocent priest is given any future ministry following allegations against him. I know of at least a dozen priests who are in an eternal limbo whereby they have been told by the bishop that "my hands are tied" and "If I give you an appointment it will invalidate our public indemnity insurance". As one senior colleague said to me "they would have more chance returning to active ministry if they had murdered someone!" No, it is a life sentence with no possibility of appeal or parole. The bishops are craven and cowardly and just wont take the risk anymore. Perhaps this is understandable as many bishops who have "given the benefit of the doubt" to priests who actually proved to be sexual offenders against children, have had their fingers so badly burnt they are naturally risk averse. But there is no courage, no compassion for these tragic innocent priests condemned to a lifetime of exclusion from ministry, and often a life lived in poverty and destitution, living on the bread line. "No lions in the hierarchy" to be sure, but there are many cowards and many disciples of Judas Iscariot!

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  2. Father,

    Thank you for your enlightened comment based on all your knowledge and experience.

    This is a grave injustice to these innocent priests.

    My understanding is that in England this "insurance company policy" is being led by Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor who appointed Father Michael Hill to Gatwick Airport where he went on to abuse children and vulnerable adults.

    But surely there has to be a middle way?

    Innocent priests should not have to suffer for the guilty ones.

    It is also very sad that insurance executives are now dictating moral theology and pastoral practice.

    Pat

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  3. Wise up, Buckley. No bishop in his right senses would speak to you about ANYTHING - even in confidence. You are an inveterate liar and a twister of facts. Tony

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    1. Anyone who starts a comment with words such as "wise up Buckley" is revealing more about themselves than the subject matter addressed. I sense Anger & frustration from the contributor which would lead me to doubt the validity of further information provided. In a forum like this there is no room for unchannelled anger nor is there room for someone who can not evaluate what others submit without necessarily agreeing with it. Sean

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  4. Hello Lovely Tony,

    You would be surprised at my contacts and my sources of information.

    It might suit you or comfort you to think as you think.

    Watch this space.

    Pat

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    1. Whats with the security tab when I tried to respond to Tony-Whom I dont know-Is this something you have put in place or is Tony controling responses to his input. (Must be a unique fella I ASSUME

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  5. Bishop Pat,

    I am an Insurance Brooker and I wrote on your blog last night. I am afraid that Tony is the typical Catholic who denies reality itself because it brings him cold comfort.

    The fact is that this posting today is SPOT ON - How do I know, well lets say I have inside information! I brooker the inform and as I am Catholic I am used as a kind of 'ethos' guide to the company making the decision!

    The insurance company must decide, why - because the settlements are so high and mostly because it is our insurance against the Bishops! Truth be told if it was up to the Bishops they would all be let back and the victims left high and dry, this is the official line in the business, that these people called Bishops cannot & must not be the decision makers! Oh and by the way Tony and official insurance policy positions must be based on high powered evidence and study. These studies, carried out worldwide, using emperical court evidence showed that every Bishop in every serial child rapist was in full knowledge, of the facts, they pleaded ignorance of the problems and in many occasions told lies or destroyed primary and secondary evidence! A high percentage also were found to be in some kind of memory loss at some stage of their management of people.

    Many countries have and are in the process of changing their laws to include Bishops in the lawsuit! Hence the insurance and hence the Bishop handing all over to the investigating authorities. They can now be charged along with the rapist with equal weight in law!

    Oh and Tony, NO other profession or vocation or religious group holds such a position in the legal or insurance worlds. Why? Bottom line is that they cannot be trusted to know the difference between right and wrong and or to even have memory of communications!!

    I have read the studies and read the cases - the depravity and cover can only but be described as evil! But one cannot insure against evil, oh sorry the Catholic Church does! Wise up Tony you dick and I say that with force, sounds like your the type the insurance is needed for!!

    Catholic Insurance Brooker

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  6. Bishop Pat,

    It is me again the Brooker - I meant to say that I have been in the presence of Insurance 'people' who have boosted of destroying 'another one' with the stroke of a pen!

    I.e. not allowing a priest to work under their policy hence no return to ministry!

    The situation is awful but it is the Bishops, if only they were honest people instead of compulsive liars for whatever cause.

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  7. I facebooked a friend in the business who told me that this position was established about 15 years ago but has moved into the insurance control in recent times due to the 'mental' fragility of most Bishops in accounting for their decisions!

    Brooker

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  8. Dear Broker,

    Thank you for your comments yesterday and today.

    My cleric friend from England told me the very same story as you highlight.

    I am happy to leave people like your good self to sort out the "Tonies" :-)

    Pat

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    1. Broker,

      Thanks for the clarifications

      Pat

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  9. Catholic Church Insurance Provider Has List of Priests Too Risky To Insure - Bishop Pat another friend in the business just facebooked me this sentence above. He is a senior in the company.

    Catholic Insurance Brooker

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    1. As this story evolves it becomes more amazing!

      Thank you for keeping us abreast of the things in your industry - things we would have no clue of otherwise.

      Pat

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  10. So what you're saying is that even an insurance company realises the moral bankruptcy of the Catholic Church? So people like Tony are fools God love them, at best harmless neoconservatives and at worst cover-uppers and liars!

    Sarah

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  11. I would be very interested in seeing what kind of data the Catholic Insurance has on these priests. Insurance companies don't write off customers without some sort of paper trail to indicate why they are a bad risk, so this might be the smoking gun that sinks a lot of infamous pedophile priests. Keep your fingers crossed!

    Maybe that is why Noel hates our part of the world, he knows the files!!!!

    John

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    1. John,

      Many church files have either been destroyed or sent to Rome in diplomatic pouches.

      It will take an insurance company whistleblower to release the insurance company files.

      Pat

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  12. How much more evidence do we need that the RCC cared only for it's own reputation and wealth and not at all for the safety of the children. This indifference isn't only immoral and unethical; it's criminal.

    Bishops should be in jail with these child rapists!

    Catholic Mother who cares about child safety at Church.

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    1. And things will not really improve until bishops go to jail

      Pat

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  13. Wow. A church that allows child molesters to continue to have access to children deserves to be shut down. This is criminal behaviour. They cannot be trusted. These people still go into our schools - WOW!

    Richard Wade

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    1. Yes they are IN your schools and RUNNING you schools and BULLYING teachers with integrity.

      Pat

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  14. Odd that the church is willing to risk its assets if a case does come up with a non-insured priest. With an insured priest the insurance company pays and it would have laid off some of the risk (and the profit) elsewhere so a major loss doesn't put the insurance company or the diocese under. With an uninsured priest the diocese is fully liable for any cost in a successful lawsuit.

    Now it is possible the church orders them into a closed monastery where they have no access to children and aren't suppose to leave thereby cutting the church's immediate risk. Unfortunately the priest could still walk away from the church and find another way outside the church to access the children. A worst scenario is the church moves the priest to another country and gets him insured there (different country, different insurance scheme) or to a place where the victims are unlikely to complain (apparent in the Ireland many problem priests were moved to the US and Aussie land).

    Patrick

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  15. Catholic Church Insurance is an unlisted public company. ..... a claim registered
    against the public liability policy where the abuse of the child.

    Where do you want to get the info Tony:

    www.parliament.vic.gov.au/.../Child_Abuse.../Catholic_Church_Insurance_30-April-13.pdf

    Thanks for your backbone Bishop Pat

    Jack

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    1. Thank you Jack.

      I tried the link and it does not seem to work?

      Pat

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  16. Catholic Church Insurance Provider Has List of Priests Too Risky To Insure
    May 4, 2013 By Sara Lin Wilde 10 Comments
    By now, you’re probably aware that the sexual abuse of minors by molester priests is quite possibly the biggest open secret in Catholic history. But just in case you had any doubts, here’s the latest from the Aussie press: Catholic Church Insurance, the insurance provider for the entire Australian arm of the institution and a Church-owned business in its own right, has a list of high-risk priests it refuses to cover because they’re just too likely to trigger abuse-related compensation claims.

    The Catholic Church’s own insurance company says it has a list of people who it has refused to cover because of their actions. People who would have exposed the Church’s insurer to compensation claims. Today the big insurer admitted the list is used to directly reduce its liability.
    That’s right. We’re talking about working priests who are able to serve in diocesan environments, even though the Church has enough information to flag them as uninsurable.
    It’s not all bad news, though. Peter Rush, CEO of Catholic Church Insurance, has agreed to provide the Parliament of Victoria its list of Church staff the company refuses to cover. That will help the child abuse inquiry in the state pin down what the Catholic Church knew and when they knew it, helping to clarify the extent of the Church’s cover-up. It will also help investigators learn about past abusers who are still active in Australian parishes, which means potential victims might be saved from the anguish of abuse.
    That Catholic Church Insurance is being helpful rather than obstructionist is certainly a step in the right direction, and probably more than the Church’s prior track record would have let us to expect. Still, it’s a bit disheartening to know that even when Australia’s in-house Catholic insurer considers Father So-and-So too big a liability to cover, it’s not enough to keep him out of a job and away from Catholic chil

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  17. I think the nub of Bishop pats article is with regard to clerics who have been accussed and found not guilty of any wrong doing,these are totally seperate cases to those found guilty or those simply being moved about.In the case of a cleric found not guilty then he is innocent and walks from court with his reputation in tact,we cannot turn around and have the " well mud sticks attitude ".Any cleric found not guilty by a court of law and a jury of his peers should be returned to ministry,the notion that some suit wearing,pen pushing kid hibernating in a cubicle can veto that is appaling.What price the priesthood?Well the price of an insurance premium it would seem.As for Tony,whom I assume may be a priest,wise up my man and stop being a prat.Mike

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  18. The only concern I would have about the whole thing is this; if people who are only after money know that clergy are insured with just start throwing accusations around in the hope of a payout!

    This is not a very nice position for a Priest to be in!

    Can anyone answer a question for me; Does the Catholic Church own the insurance company?

    Apols for appearing ignorant.

    Oratory Society Priest

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    1. Google

      CATHOLIC CHURCH INSURANCE ASSOCIATION - CCIA

      Pat

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    2. Not sure about Ireland or UK but 'Catholic Mutual', which operates a self-insurance fund for the Catholic Church in North America. It is subject to investigation from state inspectors for insurance, it is very strict.

      Hope this helps.

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    3. As Warren Buffet himself has noted, insurance is the most profitable business to be in anywhere. So yes, there will be insurance available for almost anything. It's just a matter of the premiums involved, and all the tricky little clauses detailing what isn't actually covered...thus, it's possible to have insurance against "sexual molestation" but if Benedict had written the policy blow jobs probably wouldn't be considered sex!

      Apols

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    4. Interesting! So they pay up front to play.

      Gets one brain working overtime!

      George

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    5. Tahnks for the reply Bishop Pat.

      Brother Priest

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  19. Risk Management
    Ideally, the objectives from the risk management standpoint should be to try to prevent these
    types oflosses, to mitigate the damages from losses that do occur, and to ensure that the religious
    organization remain financially solvent even in the event of catastrophic or worst case scenarios. The
    following discussion will deal with each of these areas, some of which are intermingled or overlap.
    First and foremost, each diocese and religious order should have a sexual misconduct policy
    that is written, distributed, and followed. Essential elements of this policy should include the
    following items:
    * a letter from the bishop or religious superior
    * policy statemene
    * distribution and acknowledgment of receipt
    * procedures for investigation of alleged cases
    * procedures for reporting of alleged cases including a copy of the state statutory reporting
    requirements
    * background and reference checks
    * education
    * employment application

    The Church is a business, lets be honest

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  20. GuideOne; is a major insurer for Protestant churches, this also includes abuse! It seems that every Church has this insurance.

    Jack

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  21. Newsweek had an article about this issue a couple years ago, and it gave some surprising facts about the Catholic Church: "Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations. Insurance companies that cover all denominations, such as Guide One Center for Risk Management, which has more than 40,000 church clients, does not charge Catholic churches higher premiums. 'We don't see vast difference in the incidence rate between one denomination and another,' says Sarah Buckley, assistant vice president of corporate communications.

    'It's pretty even across the denominations.' It's been that way for decades." http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/07/mean-men.html

    In other words, contrary to popular belief, abuse has *not* been a bigger problem in the Catholic Church than anywhere else. Betcha didn't know that!

    Dave

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  22. http://www.insurancejournal.com/topics/catholic-church/

    Worth a read!

    Fra

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  23. How can these people look themselves in the mirror everyday?

    A Catholic Daddy

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  24. www.theinquiry.ca/...scandal/.../paedophile-priests-advised-never-to-admit-guilt-to-limit-payouts-catholic-church-insurer-says-other-related-arti...

    Another good read.

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  25. Written By Bob Allen

    The Associated Press reported recently that three insurance companies receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, challenging the assumption that clergy sexual abuse is an exclusively Catholic problem that does not take place in other churches.

    That is a higher number than the annual average of 228 “credible accusations” brought against Catholic clerics in records reported by the Catholic Church in response to media scrutiny, a priest observed in a Fox News commentary questioning why the story isn’t garnering more attention.
    While the report about abuse in Protestant churches doesn’t absolve guilty Catholic priests or those who enabled them, said Father Jonathan Morris, it offers a more complete picture. “The problem of sexual abuse has no denominational boundaries,” he wrote. The AP obtained figures on sex-abuse claims from three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America–Church Mutual Insurance Company, GuideOne Insurance and Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Company.

    Part 2 to come!

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  26. The largest company, Church Mutual, reported an average of about 100 sex-abuse cases a year involving minors over the last decade. GuideOne, with about half the clients of Church Mutual, said it has received an average of 160 reports of sex abuse against minors every year for the past two decades. Brotherhood Mutual said it received an average of 73 reports of child sex abuse and other sexual misconduct every year for the last 15 years but did not specify how many victims are younger than 18.

    That compares to at least 10,667 people who reported plausible claims of childhood sexual abuse by 4,392 priests or deacons between 1950 and 2002 in a study commissioned by the Catholic Church with the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York as part of its response to its clergy abuse scandal. That represents 4 percent of the approximately 110,000 diocesan and religious priests who served in the United States in those years.

    The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops offers an extensive annual report monitoring sexual-abuse claims. There were 635 new allegations reported in 2006, 9 percent fewer than in 2005. A total of 14 allegations (2 percent) involved children under the age of 18 in 2006. The remaining 621 allegations were by adults alleging abuse as minors in previous years.

    Protestant numbers are harder to come by, the AP reported, because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic Church. Many churches are independent, making reporting even harder.

    “This bad news for Protestant Churches is sad news for all of us,” Father Morris wrote. “I would prefer the problem be limited to any one church–even if that church were my own–because it would mean more kids would be safe. But as I have said repeatedly over the last few years, the problem of sexual abuse of minors is not an issue of religious affiliation because there is nothing religious about abusing children. The phenomenon of sexual abuse of minors in church settings is the story of sick human beings taking advantage of their position of moral authority to prey on the weak and vulnerable. If Catholic clergy were to be faithful to their church’s teaching, there would be no abuse in the Catholic Church. The same goes for Protestant clergy. The problem, then, is not one of corrupt doctrine, but of individuals being unfaithful to the most basic precepts of their own religious belief.”
    Insurance officials told the AP the numbers of sex-abuse cases has remained steady over the past two decades, but churches are doing more to prevent child-sexual abuse by conducting background checks, installing windows in nurseries and play areas and requiring at least two adults in a room with a child.

    Still, said Patrick Moreland of Church Mutual, churches are particularly vulnerable to abusers.
    “By their nature, congregations are the most trusting of organizations, so that makes them attractive targets for predators,” he said. “If you’re a predator, where do you go? You go to a congregation that will welcome you.”

    Interesting read.

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  27. Let's face it … the Catholic Church is a big target with big pockets. Most Protestant churches are individual corporations. In the Catholic Church, the diocese is the corporation, so it has a big bank account. When legal action is involved, the media focus on dollar amounts, and the Catholic Church has deep pockets because of its financial structure.

    Statistically, schools and scout troops and youth sports programs have a much greater incidence of abuse than any church, and Protestant churches have a greater incidence of abuse than Catholic churches. But the Catholic lawsuits are bigger. And that draws media attention.

    The Catholic pastor of a congregation of 3500 is likely to draw more attention than a Protestant pastor of 150, or a Boy Scout troop leader of 25, or a teacher of 20. It's the nature of the media.

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  28. So, why doesn't some smart lawyer figure out some way to make those deep pockets inaccessible; some sort of restructuring??

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  29. While poking around the Internet a few months ago, I came across the web sites of the two insurance companies whose major business is to insure churches. I found that according to THEIR figures, non-Catholic claims about sexual abuse were running 13% higher than Catholic claims. That does NOT excuse the behaviour of our priests nor does it make the activity less criminal or less of a sin. However, it does present a different view of the problem than that which is generally perceived by the public!

    Your blog is very interesting reading Bishop, a pity others are not so open.


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  30. This is all very good information.

    What about wrongly accused and innocent priests not being allowed to return to ministry by insurance companies?

    Pat

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    1. This is the piont of the blog and something that so far has not been discussed.While all above comments are interesting/true,I think we have strayed somewhat from the piont,see my 1st posting.Mike

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  31. Bishop Buckley thank you for bringing us back to the reality that your post has exposed. We are not talking about returning sexual offending priests to ministry, that must never happen. What we are talking about are innocent priests, priests who have had accusations and allegations made against them, often by palpably deranged persons, who, after thorough investigation by statutory and church authorities, often lasting years, having been found completely innocent, are still hung out to dry in limbo and refused appointments by their cowardly bishops. I know for a fact, because I have heard the conversations with my own ears, that even if the bishop is willing to give an appointment he is told on no uncertain terms that he cannot. The reason? It would invalidate the diocesan insurance policy IF something was to happen in the future. I believe that some bishops conferences have made a de facto decision to exclude from ministry, permanently, any priest against whom allegations have been made. Its an extension of that most pernicious of sayings: "There is no smoke without fire!" And what is a priest to do who finds himself in this permanent exile from the church he has served and often given the best years of his life too? I know of such priests. I know bishops who have recommended he seek laicisation, "get on with your life" seems to be the motive, or rather "I want you out of my "In_Tray". Its reported that Paul VI spoke of "the smoke of Satan has entered the Church." Perhaps this is the greatest victory of the Devil that he has destoyed many good priests by getting their own bishops to do it for him!

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    1. As I said in my 1st post,we CANNOT have the " well mud sticks " towards innocent men whose lives have been destroyed by accusations that have been found to be faulse.makes you think that priests are just numbers in a collar.The real culprits here are the cowardly bishops who will not stand up and be counted.Spineless to a man.Mike

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  32. Sooooo the dioceses need to insure themselves against malpractice. It is a case of pennies coming before the person. The almighty £ has in one generation done what theologians & reformers could not achieve in centuries, change direction and thinking within the church.

    Priests/clergy too need to change tact, protect themselves against being peed upon and treated as dishcloths of the more senior administration. On a separate topic I spoke about priests/ clergy being part of a union such as UNISON in the UK. I have contacted UNISON of which I am a member through work & am awaiting a reply. Being in a union for a priest is none different to him/her having a risk assessment on their likleyhood to abuse or commit a major misdeed that would cost the church serious money sitting in some diocesan office. This being said wrongdoers must be brought to book as should those who accuse in the wrong. Sean

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  33. The Catholic Church Insurance Association.The Catholic Church Insurance Association (‘CCIA’) is the leading provider of insurance for Catholic dioceses, Catholic religious orders and the many other organisations that make up the Catholic community in England, Wales and Scotland.

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  34. www.ccia.org.uk/insurance.aspx

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  35. What is the Insurance Company for D&C? Does Church & General do abuse cover?

    Oratory Friend

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  36. "HK is a victim of the Church's burdens which it puts on its priests" I copied & pasted this from the main article. I can idefy with the observations of the contributor who is spot on. HK is not the main focus of this argument but the Dictatorship of a church which can do nought but bark like a cornered wolf & bite with fright at anyone who comes near enough to threaten its insecurity as an institution. I was never a stereotype priest & having discovered sex/relationship & not being able to pursue what is natural law & instinct made me bubble & boil. I used alcohol to control the urges & make the pain go away. I threw myself into my parish as if it were my wife & mother only to live under the fear of "divorce" A divorce where the bishop would tell me to fek off up the road to another posting. The second abomination would be worse than the first. The RC Church leadership in some shape or form is in my mind no more than pseudo hitlerites, upholding an abstract ideal that is further away from human nature & divine love than a giraffes nose is from its arse when its kneck is at full stretch. But Jesus came so that "Now" may be a good place where heaven & earth unite & all are one in Christ, where there is neither male nor female pope nor pauper. For all are one in Christ and for this realisation we praise God. Sean

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  37. "HK is a victim of the Church's burdens which it puts on its priests" I copied & pasted this from the main article. I can idefy with the observations of the contributor who is spot on. HK is not the main focus of this argument but the Dictatorship of a church which can do nought but bark like a cornered wolf & bite with fright at anyone who comes near enough to threaten its insecurity as an institution. I was never a stereotype priest & having discovered sex/relationship & not being able to pursue what is natural law & instinct made me bubble & boil. I used alcohol to control the urges & make the pain go away. I threw myself into my parish as if it were my wife & mother only to live under the fear of "divorce" A divorce where the bishop would tell me to fek off up the road to another posting. The second abomination would be worse than the first. The RC Church leadership in some shape or form is in my mind no more than pseudo hitlerites, upholding an abstract ideal that is further away from human nature & divine love than a giraffes nose is from its arse when its kneck is at full stretch. But Jesus came so that "Now" may be a good place where heaven & earth unite & all are one in Christ, where there is neither male nor female pope nor pauper. For all are one in Christ and for this realisation we praise God. Sean

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