Saturday, 10 May 2014


Naked but for the towel around his waist, a man of a certain age sat by himself, bent slightly forward as if praying, in a corner of the sauna at a gym in central Rome. 

I had not met this man before, but as I entered the sauna, I thought I recognized him from photographs. He looked like a priest with whom I’d corresponded after mutual friends put us in touch, a man I had wanted to consult about gay clerics in the Vatican Curia. My friends told me that this priest was gay, politically savvy, and well connected to the gay Church hierarchy in Rome.
But this couldn’t be that priest. He had told me that he’d be away and couldn’t meet. Yet as I looked at the man more closely, I saw that it was definitely him. When we were alone, I spoke his name, telling him mine. “I thought you were out of the country,” I said. “How lucky for me: you’re here!” Startled, the priest talked fast. Yes, his plans had changed, he said, but he was leaving again the next day and would return only after I was gone.

During the previous few days, I had heard a lot about this man. I had heard that he is a gossip, a social operator whose calendar is a blur of drinks and dinners with cardinals and archbishops, principessas and personal trainers. Supposedly, he loves to dish male colleagues with campy female nicknames. But I would never have the experience firsthand. The priest was embarrassed: to have been chanced upon at this place; to have had his small evasions revealed. The encounter was awkward. No, he did not wish to discuss the subject I was interested in. No, he did not think the subject worthwhile. These things he made clear. We left the sauna and, after further conversation, civil but stilted, went our separate ways.
I could understand his discomfort. But in Rome these days the topic of gay priests in the upper reaches of the Holy See is hard to avoid. In February of this year, not long before the College of Cardinals gathered in the Sistine Chapel for the conclave to choose the 266th Pope, the largest Italian daily newspaper, La Repubblica, reported that a “gay lobby”—a more or less unified cabal of homosexual power brokers—might be operating inside the Vatican. According to the newspaper, the possible existence of this gay lobby was among the many secrets described in a two-volume, 300-page report bound in red and presented to Pope Benedict XVI by three cardinals he had appointed to investigate the affair known as “VatiLeaks.” That scandal, which raised fresh suspicions of endemic corruption within the Curia, had broken the previous year after Paolo Gabriele, the papal butler, made off with some of Benedict’s private papers and leaked them to the press.

The internal VatiLeaks report, according to La Repubblica, indicated that gay clerics in the Vatican were being blackmailed. The report was also said to document the alleged gay lobby’s social structure and customs. Yet details concerning gay priests’ gatherings added up to old news: the tales had been told in articles previously published by La Repubblica itself. Sensationally, the newspaper suggested that Benedict’s concern about the alleged gay lobby was one reason he had suddenly resigned the papacy.
Months later, another leak of confidential information brought the subject of a gay lobby back into the news. Someone took notes during what was meant to be a private meeting between Latin-American Church leaders and the new Pope, the former cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, Archbishop of Buenos Aires, now known as Francis. In June, those notes were published on a progressive Catholic Web site. Francis was quoted as saying, “The ‘gay lobby’ is mentioned, and it is true, it is there … We need to see what we can do.”
A Closet with No Door
Gay lobby? It depends on what you mean. The term could refer to a shadowy group like the Illuminati, whose members quietly exercise supreme power. This is the sort of idea that lights up the tinfoil hats of conspiracy theorists, and it doesn’t capture the slow, feudal, inefficient workings of the Vatican. “Gay lobby” is really shorthand for something else. At the Vatican, a significant number of gay prelates and other gay clerics are in positions of great authority. They may not act as a collective but are aware of one another’s existence. And they inhabit a secretive netherworld, because homosexuality is officially condemned. Though the number of gay priests in general, and specifically among the Curia in Rome, is unknown, the proportion is much higher than in the general population. Between 20 and 60 percent of all Catholic priests are gay, according to one estimate cited by Donald B. Cozzens in his well-regarded The Changing Face of the Priesthood. For gay clerics at the Vatican, one fundamental condition of their power, and of their priesthood, is silence, at least in public, about who they really are.
Clerics inhabit this silence in a variety of ways. A few keep their sexuality entirely private and adhere to the vow of celibacy. Many others quietly let themselves be known as gay to a limited degree, to some colleagues, or to some laypeople, or both; sometimes they remain celibate and sometimes they do not. A third way, perhaps the least common but certainly the most visible, involves living a double life. Occasionally such clerics are unmasked, usually by stories in the Italian press. In 2010, for the better part of a month, one straight journalist pretended to be the boyfriend of a gay man who acted as a “honeypot” and entrapped actual gay priests in various sexual situations. (The cardinal vicar of Rome was given the task of investigating. The priests’ fates are unknown.)
There are at least a few gay cardinals, including one whose long-term partner is a well-known minister in a Protestant denomination. There is the notorious monsignor nicknamed “Jessica,” who likes to visit a pontifical university and pass out his business card to 25-year-old novices. (Among the monsignor’s pickup lines: “Do you want to see the bed of John XXIII?”) There’s the supposedly straight man who has a secret life as a gay prostitute in Rome and posts photographs online of the innermost corridors of the Vatican. Whether he received this privileged access from some friend or family member, or from a client, is impossible to say; to see a known rent boy in black leather on a private Vatican balcony does raise an eyebrow.

The Vatican holds secrets so tightly that it can make Fort Meade look like a sloppy drunk. Yet dozens of interviews with current and former gay priests, gay monks, veteran Vatican journalists, Italian aristocrats, and gay men at Roman gyms, bars, nightclubs, sex clubs, and restaurants suggest that, riveting as the more graphic stories are, they convey a limited part of the reality of gay clerical life in Rome. To be gay in the Vatican is no guarantee of success, mark of belonging, or shortcut to erotic intrigue. Most basically it is a sentence of isolation. Gays in the Vatican are creatures of a cutthroat bureaucracy whose dogmatic worldview denies or denigrates their own existence. They live in a closet that has no door. Among recent Popes, Benedict made the most concerted effort to sharpen Church doctrine on homosexuality, which he once called “a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil.” He tried to cull gays from clerical ranks, most notably in 2005, when men with known “deep-seated homosexual tendencies” were prohibited from being ordained, even if they were celibate.
Denunciation and exposure have made gay priests figures of fascination—though less as people than as symbols—especially to the secular far left and the religious far right. Both sides find these clerics to be politically useful. The left uses them to level charges of hypocrisy. The right sees them as a stain in need of removal. They all got a shock late last July when Francis made his first direct public statement about gay clerics since becoming Pope.
During an impromptu press conference aboard the papal jet, en route from Rio de Janeiro to Rome after his first overseas trip, Francis was asked about the so-called gay lobby. His response, delivered with casual humor and punctuated by shrugs and smiles, was as follows: “So much has been written about the gay lobby. I still haven’t run into anyone in the Vatican who has shown me an identity card with ‘gay’ on it.” He pantomimed holding up such a card in his left hand and then went on: “When you find yourself with a person like that, you have to distinguish between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of somebody forming a lobby. . . . If a person is gay and is searching for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge him?”
He spoke these words with a palpable warmth, unlike the embattled, wary tone that other Popes have adopted. This may well have been the first time in history that a Pope has publicly uttered the term “gay”—the word that most men who feel romantic love for other men use to describe themselves—instead of the pathologizing 19th-century medical term “homosexual.” Then, in a lengthy interview with a Jesuit journal, the Pope went further, stating that the Church’s ministry should not be “obsessed” with a few divisive moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage. “When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?” the Pope asked rhetorically. “We must always consider the person.”
Every Man for Himself
Tales of gays in the Vatican have been told for more than a thousand years. Pope John XII, who reigned from 955 to 964, was accused of having sex with men and boys and turning the papal palace “into a whorehouse.” 

While trying to persuade a cobbler’s apprentice to have sex with him, Pope Boniface VIII, who reigned from 1294 to 1303, was said to have assured the boy that two men having sex was “no more a sin than rubbing your hands together.” 

After Paul II, who reigned from 1464 to 1471, died of a heart attack—while in flagrante delicto with a page, according to one rumor

—he was succeeded by Sixtus IV, who kept a nephew as his lover (and made the nephew a cardinal at age 17). 

Some such stories are better substantiated than others. Even while their reliability is questionable, they demonstrate that playing the gay card (even if you yourself are gay) is an ancient Curial tactic. “There are closeted gay priests who are vipers,” observes the theologian Mark D. Jordan, the author of The Silence of Sodom: Homosexuality in Modern Catholicism. “They are really poisonous people, and they work out their own inner demonology by getting into positions in power and exercising it” against other gay men, women, and anyone whom they perceive to be a threat. “Alongside that are suffering priests who seem sincere all the way down, who are trying to be faithful to God, and also to take care of people and change the institution. They are the ones who are always forgotten, and read out of the story from both sides.”
The Catholic priesthood’s contemporary gay cultural memory begins in the middle of the last century. When Paul VI assumed the throne, in 1963, by one account he took his papal name not from any predecessor but from a former lover, a film actor. That at least was the contention of the provocative gay French writer Roger Peyrefitte, whose 1976 allegations about Paul VI caused such a stir that Paul took to the balcony of St. Peter’s to denounce the “horrible and slanderous” accusations. Paul looked a laughingstock, and the Curia learned a lesson: better to ignore such charges than to amplify them by denial.

Meanwhile, some gay clerics were outgrowing the “particular friendships” that had long been part of monastic life and joining the sexual revolution. By the 1970s, the center of gay life in Rome was a cruising area called Monte Caprino, on the Capitoline Hill. At a small party of gay monks and their friends in Rome last summer, conversation turned to recollections of that place. “It was like its own little city,” one monk remembered, “with hundreds of people—everyone from seminarians to bishops—and then there were, conveniently, bushes off to the side.” The fellow feeling at Monte Caprino was compromised by the air of secrecy around the place. The area was a target for muggers and thieves, who figured rightly that clerics would make ideal victims because they had much to lose by the public act of pressing charges. One gay former seminarian recalled a night when three men beat him up and stole his wallet while numerous men in the crowded park stood by. Left bloodied by the thieves, the seminarian hollered at the bystanders, “There’s three of them and 300 of us!”
He told me this story, with its echoes of the parable of the Good Samaritan—in which a traveler is robbed, beaten, and left by the side of the road, and pious men do nothing to help him—to illustrate the every-man-for-himself dynamic of Rome’s gay clerical culture. Gay clerics often fail to help one another, he says, for the same reason that no one tried to help him the night that he was robbed: solidarity entails the risk of being outed.
“La Maledetta”
Self-centeredness can breed a sense of entitlement. “A certain part of the clergy feels that no one will care what they do if they are discreet,” says Marco Politi, a prominent Italian journalist and longtime Vatican correspondent, and the author of several books about the papacy and the Church. In 2000, Politi published a book-length interview with an anonymous gay priest, entitled La Confessione, republished in 2006 as Io, Prete Gay (I, Gay Priest). “Rumors are O.K., but not scandal,” Politi observes.
There has been plenty of scandal, though. In 2007, Monsignor Tommaso Stenico met a young man in an online chat room and invited him to his Vatican office, where their conversation—in which Stenico denied that gay sex was a sin, touched the man’s leg, and said, “You’re so hot”—was secretly videotaped and then broadcast on Italian television.

 (Stenico tried to persuade Italian newspapers that he’d just been playing along in order “to study how priests are ensnared” into gay sex as part of “a diabolical plan by groups of Satanists.” He was suspended from his Vatican position.) In 2006 a priest in the Vatican’s Secretariat of State injured police officers and smashed into police cars during a high-speed chase through a district in Rome known for transsexuals and prostitutes. (The priest was acquitted on all charges after claiming that he fled because he feared he was being kidnapped.) In a 2010 investigation of contract fixing for construction projects, Italian police wiretaps happened to catch a papal usher and Gentleman of His Holiness, Angelo Balducci, allegedly hiring male prostitutes, some of whom may have been seminarians, through a Nigerian member of a Vatican choir. (The choir member was dismissed; Balducci was convicted on corruption charges.)
Pope Benedict was rumored to have ordered that prelates who were living double lives be retired or removed from Rome. Marco Politi speculates that perhaps as many as 30 were eased out. The most senior prelate to lose his job was Cardinal Keith O’Brien, the archbishop of St. Andrews and Edinburgh. A staunch opponent of gay marriage who had publicly called homosexuality a “moral degradation,” O’Brien was brought down in February by three priests and one ex-priest who accused him of “inappropriate contact” and predatory behavior when he was their bishop. The episodes recounted by the four men involved such consistent patterns over more than 30 years that some of O’Brien’s colleagues surely must have had their 

When I asked one archbishop if he had known that O’Brien was gay, however, the archbishop said he had not. When I asked the archbishop who among the other cardinals were O’Brien’s closest friends, he coldly answered, “I don’t think he had any.” Every man for himself, indeed.
Even Benedict has been dogged by rumors that he is gay. Though no solid evidence has ever emerged, it is treated as common knowledge by many in Rome, who cite stereotypes galore, including his fussy fashion sense (his ruby-red slippers, his “Valentino red” capes); his crusade to nail down why “homosexual actions” are “intrinsically disordered” (many closeted gay men, from Roy Cohn to Cardinal O’Brien, have made the most extraordinary efforts to condemn homosexuality); and his bromance with Archbishop Georg Gänswein, his longtime personal secretary. (Nicknamed Bel Giorgio, or “Gorgeous George,” the rugged Gänswein skis, plays tennis, and pilots airplanes. He inspired Donatella Versace’s winter 2007 “clergyman collection.”) 

Perhaps the most vicious of Benedict’s nicknames is “La Maledetta.” The word means “cursed” in Italian, but the pun derives from the fact that the term means the exact opposite of Benedict’s own name in Italian, Benedetto, which means “blessed”—with a gender change achieved in the process.
Neither Benedict nor Gänswein has publicly responded to any of this. The chatter’s main consequence has been not to hurt them personally (though surely it must, at least a little) but to help lock down genuine conversation about the everyday lives of gay priests, whether celibate or not. It is more or less impossible for gay clerics to articulate their affections in any way that does not amount to what an Anglo-Saxon mind might see as hypocrisy. Yet such a dualistic existence is very much a part of Church tradition. “This is almost an aspect of the Catholic religion itself,” Colm Tóibín has written in an essay on gays and Catholicism, “this business of knowing and not knowing something all at the same time, keeping an illusion separate from the truth.” It is also typical of Italian sexuality in general, and Italian homosexuality in particular. This is the country that tolerated the sexual escapades and serial frauds of former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi with scarcely a hint of protest from the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. This is the country where countless married women ignore their husbands’ dalliances with men.
La Bella Figura
The culture of deception operates according to signals and conventions by which gay clerics navigate their lives. Camp is perhaps the most powerful and pervasive of these codes, though it can be difficult to define. Ironic, effeminate self-mockery—allowing priests to exercise some limited rebellion against their own isolation and invisibility—is one form of clerical camp. For fear of laughing out loud, priests sometimes try to avoid making eye contact with one another in church when hymns with titles like “Hail, Holy Queen” are sung. After Bergoglio became Pope Francis, YouTube clips of a sequence fromFellini’s Roma went viral among gay priests in Rome. It shows a plain-looking cardinal watching a runway show of over-the-top clerical attire—which ends when the departed Pope steals the show by appearing in the glorious garb of a Sun God.
One gay former priest, who still lives in Rome, describes clerical camp as “a natural way of expressing [gay identity] while celibate.” Socially, he says, it is “a key that unlocks a further element of trust.” There’s nothing earth-shattering about this—it’s what every institution does—but “the Church has a lot more experience and practice at protecting itself. As far as that goes,” he says, with a nod to Cole Porter, “they’re the tops.”
When this former priest began his education in Rome, a professor told him, “There shouldn’t be a subculture. We are all male here, so it’s inappropriate to say ‘her’ or to refer to other men with feminine pronouns.” The former priest says that “none of this instruction was about our behavior. It was about how we should appear.” He believes that such instruction illustrates a little-noted change in official thinking about Catholic identity, and what should be at its center. “The symbols of the Church should be the sacraments,” such as the Eucharist, he argues, but over time the people who administer the sacraments have come to displace them in prominence. In other words, “the priests become the symbols” that are deemed most important. Which in turn puts a premium on outward appearance and enforces conformity to a certain official ideal. The Church, therefore, is increasingly preoccupied with making sure its leaders are groomed from among “boys who look holy: playing dress-up at the American College and going down to Piazza Navona at nine P.M. to say their Breviaries.” Sacraments and liturgy, the former priest says, are “the kernel of what makes the Church important. This is what makes us powerful. Not the protection of medieval institutions.”
Yet in the Church, as in Italian society, it’s often the case that right appearance—la bella figura—is all. In every detail, parties celebrating appointment to the Vatican and other high Church offices can be lavish—“like a posh girl’s wedding”—with many clerics in attendance being “gay men wearing everything handmade, perfect, queer as it comes,” observes one prominent figure in the Roman art world. But la bella figuramatters just as much at ordinary moments. Especially for clerics who break the vow of celibacy, it is crucial to keep up appearances in the normal course of life.
Gay saunas are good places to meet other gay priests and monks. The best times to find clerics at the saunas are late afternoon or evening on Thursdays (when pontifical universities have no classes) or Sundays (after Mass). Some gay celibate clerics use the saunas not for sex but to experience a sense of fellowship with others like themselves. One calls his sauna visits “something to confirm myself as I am.” (Rome has few gay bars, and John Moss, the American owner of the largest and oldest one, the Hangar, says that the rise of Internet cruising, combined with the Vatican’s crackdown on gay priests, has decimated his gay clerical clientele. “There used to be so many seminarians—such beautiful men—who came to the bar, and we would even get hired to take parties to them in some of the religious houses. Now there’s nobody.”)
Once you make a connection, it’s possible to use your monastery cell for sexual assignations, as long as you don’t make much noise. “You can sneak people in, no problem,” one gay monk says, “but try to avoid consistent patterns of movement.” 

In other words, don’t invite a guy over on the same day of the week, or at the same time of day, very often. That said, “no one has sex” with other residents of his own monastery, a former monk told me, “because it is like aBig Brother house. Everyone knows everything.”
The more senior the cleric, the more likely he may be to play loose with the rules. One leading Vatican reporter (who says that, among journalists on the beat, the two most common topics for gossip about Church officials are “who’s gay and who’s on the take”) describes the logic of such behavior. “Everything is permitted because you are a prince of the court,” he says. “If you are truly loyal and entrusted with the highest level of responsibility, there has to be an extra liberty attached in order to be able to pull it off.”
Vows of celibacy don’t say anything about eye candy. Some Curia officials are said to handpick extremely handsome men for menial jobs in order to make Vatican City more scenic. A layman I know whose job requires frequent trips to the Vatican used to enjoy flirting with a muscular go-go boy who danced on the bar at a gay nightclub in Rome. One day at the Vatican, this layman was amazed to see the dancer out of context, dressed in the uniform of a security guard. When he made to greet the man, the guard signaled him to stay back, raising a finger to his lips in a quiet “Shhhhh … ”

Where silence can’t strictly be kept, word games can compartmentalize the truth. In the Vatican office of a monsignor who I’d been told might have some firsthand knowledge concerning recent gay scandals in the Church, I asked, point-blank, “Are you gay?,” and he serenely answered, “No.” I replied, “I wonder, if a priest is homosexual—but does not participate in mainstream secular gay culture—could he say that he is not ‘gay’ and still think he’s telling the truth?” “What an interesting question,” the monsignor said, immediately standing up and gesturing me to the door. “I’m afraid I don’t have any more time to talk.” He insisted on personally walking me out of the building, and as we passed along a grand hallway I remarked upon its beauty. “I don’t see it,” he replied archly. “To me, other hallways are ‘beautiful.’ ” Was this an innocent remark, or a coded answer to my question? Sometimes talking to gay priests feels like reading stories by Borges.
For those who want it, organized networks can provide some grounding. A few small groups of gay Catholics in Rome operate publicly, but because anyone can come to their meetings, it can be risky for priests, especially Vatican officials, to be part of them. One private group of about 50 gay priests and laymen meets once a year, for a kind of retreat. A Vatican priest I met with—he actually invited me to stop by his office near St. Peter’s because he said he wanted “to show that this is no secret,” though it’s secret enough that he can’t be named—is involved with this group, as part of an unofficial ministry in addition to his official duties. He says that his superiors, including at least one very prominent Vatican official, have long known he is gay, and have even promoted him since learning that fact.
Yet gays in the Vatican, like spies in intelligence services, inhabit boxes within boxes. The priest who helps with the group of 50 raised his eyebrows when I repeated to him something an archbishop had told me. “I know a priest who ministers to people in the Curia in that situation,” the archbishop said, though “he is not assigned officially.”
“That is not me,” the priest said, amazed. “I wonder who it could be.”
Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell
As you would expect, the priest I met in the sauna looks rather different with vestments on. When I walked into church a few days later, for Sunday-morning Mass, he was the celebrant—even though, when we met, he had said he was about to leave town. Maybe his plans had changed again.
He was preaching a homily on the Gospel reading, the parable of the Good Samaritan. The priest told the congregation that this story was a challenge. A challenge to accept “risk in favor of compassion.” A challenge to “look more deeply at ‘Who is my neighbor?’ ” A challenge to be generous, unlike “the religious, spiritual person who did nothing to help.” Listening to these words, I could not help but wonder: where, in that parable, does this priest see himself?
From the day after the conclave ended—when Francis went back to his hotel and personally checked out, paid his bill, and picked up his suitcase—the new Pope has surprised people with his actions. During Holy Week, he went to a juvenile prison and washed the feet of inmates, including two girls and two Muslims. One morning, he reportedly made a sandwich for the Swiss Guard who had stood sentinel outside his room all night. He invited 200 homeless people for dinner in the Vatican gardens.
Francis has also said some things that, from a Pope’s mouth, seem extraordinary simply because they are so down to earth—like his choice to end one homily with the untraditional exhortation “Have a good lunch!” Yet the first time this Pope’s words, rather than his actions, made significant headlines was in connection with his comments about the “gay lobby.”
As noted, the phrase first gained currency before Francis came on the scene, but it returned to public discussion just as he got serious about what may be a hallmark of his papacy: a cleanup of Vatican corruption. The scope of his concern about abuse of power seems total. He is reforming everything from the Vatican bank’s bookkeeping to the contents of the papal wardrobe.
For a long time, gay priests have made for convenient scapegoats and handy pawns in Church power games. All of them, whether actively or passively, have helped create these roles for themselves, and they can hardly imagine a different reality—unless they were to emerge from the closet and get thrown out of the priesthood. One monk told me, “A lot of us will not condemn. But not speak out. We’re in a system that controls us. The longer you’re in it, the more it controls, the more you assume the clerical position.” They keep hope small, or snuff it entirely. They believe that nothing and no one could make the Church safe for them. Might this change? “Not in my lifetime,” they all say.
Yet, before he became Francis, Jorge Bergoglio was a Jesuit. As National Catholic Reporter’s John Allen, the dean of the American Vatican-watchers, told me, “There’s a kind of Catholic version of ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ that the Jesuits would be particularly noted for. There are guys in the Jesuit world that everybody knows are gay, but they don’t go around making a big deal out of it.” While Pope Benedict’s Vatican attempted to make sure gays knew they were unwelcome in the priesthood, the Jesuits developed a reputation for tolerating and even protecting their gay brethren.
In the collegial Jesuit spirit, Francis appointed eight cardinals to serve as his core advisers on significant issues, and in the coming years, this group may have as much influence on the situation of gays in the priesthood as Francis himself. When I asked an archbishop how he thinks the cardinals’ conversation about their gay brothers will go, he answered with reference not to the Holy Spirit but to the god of Fortune. “Right now the surest thing I can say is that there’s change in the air,” he said. “If you could say what will happen, you could say who’d win the lottery.”
The next time I heard mention of a lottery was a few days later, at dinner with a gay monk who told me that he had recently fallen in love for the first time, with a man. “Am I a clerical hypocrite? I guess in one way I am,” he said, in the middle of a long and emotional narrative, before bringing the conversation to bedrock reality. “But I’m over 60. I have nothing financially. I can’t leave.” And then he said, “If I won the Powerball lotto, I would leave.”


  1. The truth is Bishop that the holy Catholic people do not care. In fact they are well aware of the true nature of their priests, they are just happy to be married and buried by them - reception time people laugh at them and feel sorry for their lifestyle! But on Sunday will get communion of them.

    A strange situation, but I am one of them! I know that my priest is very light on his feet (very, very), the husbands of us ladies will not even talk about it.

    Belfast Mother

  2. Catholic Priests: It's 'Empirical Fact' That Many Clergy Are Gay.

    How much more evidence is needed in God's name. Straight guys leave the seminary for the most part thanking God they are safe!

    In fact I would argue that unless one was gay one would not survive or be ordained!

    Ex-Dean of Formation & now married!

    P.S. The people are very aware, the Bishops are very aware and in fact some 'came' to life in the company of such young men!!

  3. It is not for tomorrow that Rome will accept married priesthood for the simpliest fact that catholics priests have a salary (small) and if they would have financial family responsabilities their income would have to be raised... World, including religious world gravitates around sex and money same than in politic and most fields.

    The priesthood has to be gay, they are cheap to keep and are very good actors!


  4. Maybe it is for the simple reason , that GOD does not want priests to have wives or husbands ( queer dreams ), because they are meant to reflect Jesus and not Judas..
    It is becoming increasinlinly sickening to be ruled by queers in the priesthood, traitors in politics and jews as our bankers.
    Catholics are not meant to be salves to evil men, only salves of love to Jesus and Mary.

    Ronnie Doyle

    1. Jesus never wanted slaves. Jews as Bankers..? Are you serious or just a shit stirrer? Sean

  5. Catholic doctrine holds that only unmarried, celibate men may enter the priesthood.
    That is not true. Canon Law (which, unlike doctrine, can change) holds this, but only for Latin-Rite priests (Eastern-Rite Churches which are in full communion with and are subject to the Pope, such as the Coptic Catholic Church, ordain married men to the priesthood (but not as Bishops), and the Latin Rite sometimes accepts married priests from other faiths, notably Anglicans). Canon Law is informed by doctrine, but it is not itself doctrinal. The Church could begin ordaining married priests tomorrow if She wanted (bad idea, but not impossible).


    1. So they could so what is stopping them? The law of the RCC does not deserve allegience because it is an ass

  6. It's one thing to say that the teaching and the doctrine has not changed in the Catholic Church regarding homosexuals but it's another thing to DEAL with almost 60 percent of Catholc priests who are gay. If they kick them out, the Catholic Church will die. They are a BIG MESS!

    The conservative gays scare me the most, such a lack of love and charity!

    Victor - Ex-SJ

  7. Despite headlines about a powerful “gay lobby” within the Vatican, and a new Pope promising reform, the Catholic Church’s gay cardinals, monks, and other clergy inhabit a hidden netherworld.

    Reading about this Patrick Devlin guy scares me and he deserves to be published in every crediable health journal! Bishop Pat I am writing an article about this Devlin guy as an example of how our youth are being harmed! The amount of young people self-harming because of poor sexual advice would scare anyone!

    Dr. Jonathan (child psychiatrist)

  8. In October 2010 I discovered the secret retreat where closeted gay Catholic priests meet in private once a year to let their hair down and be openly gay together for the week. As a gay former Catholic altar boy, I could not believe both the luck and horror of this discovery.

    I can email you the evidence Bishop.


  9. People don't expect their priests and bishops to lie, but clerics do lie. Some even make a virtue of it. I know this from experience, for I was ordained a Catholic priest on a lie.

    Thank you Bishop (Cork) - I am not happily married to my partner and former parish worker for 14 years.


  10. Why Is the Homophobic Catholic Church Filled With Closeted Gay Priests?

    I am fascinated with this paradox!

    Mary - Clinical Psychologist

  11. So many gays, so much self-denial in the RC church

    The deeper sadness in all this speculation about gays (including the Pope and his private secretary Gaenswein) is that the artifice of
    religious dogma and tradition have polluted whatever love two people may
    have for each other. How terribly sad that men-loving-men have
    to hide and mask whatever affection they may have for each other--gay
    or not, sexual or not.

    Such has the Church, with its anti-gay,
    anti-sex, rigid pro-life extremes, (not to mention extreme wealth and
    idolatry) distanced itself from the true nature of being human and being
    human on this earth. Long before the Church came along to build a
    profitable industry around the man Jesus there was same-gender
    attraction and there was prematurely ended pregnancy.

    The vast majority of people lived life much more in cadence with the
    vagaries of nature, not with proscribed rules and rituals imposed by
    institutional religion. As a result today we have scandalous
    projections, insulting insinuations and disgraceful rumors that surround
    two possible soul-mates whose hearts are linked.

    How fine
    could have been been if Gaenswein and Ratzinger, for example, had led the world in
    displaying the depth and quality of male bonding and affection by being
    allowed to express their truth--gay or not, sexual or not.

    Instead of being at the heart of scandalous gossip they could be shining
    examples of human (divine?) love expressed openly and freely--closer to
    the original message of Jesus.

    The world is desperately in
    need of towering role-models of kindness, open-mindedness and inclusion
    that embraces differences between nations, races, tribes and religions
    and differences between inherent sexual orientations.Catholic blogger Andrew Sullivan speculates the Pope could be gay He is talking about Benedict by the way.


  12. If it's true there are more gay priests than in the general population, I'd like to know why. More importantly than me knowing, the Catholic Church should want to know so it might better deal with its abuse problem. I think gays enter the priesthood trying to escape their guilt of being gay. They think priesthood will be a refuge for them, but of course it isn't. It makes matters worse because they now have no moral means to satisfy their natural sexual drives. They are forced to abuse and cover up. Unfortunately, they are too easily forgiven by a forgiving God. I do have a question about confession I hope someone will answer; If priests confess about abuse to another priest, can that priest, in good conscience, keep hearing the same confession over a long period of time knowing the abuse continues and he is facilitating it? Should not the priest who received the confession report it to his superior, or at least confess what he has heard to his confessor?

    Catholic & a Thinker

  13. The vow of the priesthood
    (as applies here) is celibacy, the religious belief is that
    homosexuality is wrong.

    Add together all the priests and nuns
    who have done or do non-celibate acts, + all the others who know of
    these acts + all who know themselves to be homosexual and practice
    homosexual acts + all who know of these practices + all child abusers
    + those who know about them. It's probably not 100% of the

    However, I'm betting that over 90% do the things
    i mention above and/or know those who do. Even if that number is only
    55% or even 30%, what's true is that a huge number of the priests and
    nuns are living a lie.

    And they know it. And they've done
    almost nothing about it. For hundreds of years, Apparently. Although
    these are not the only lies, they are the only ones I'll discuss

    So what's different about them living a lie? Don't we
    all do it? What's different is: this is the Catholic Priesthood, not
    a straying parishioner who won't confess. As an analogy, if the
    parishioner is a leaf on the gigantic tree that is the church -- then
    the priesthood is the trunk and all the branches. The difference in
    scale and purpose is huge.

    In the many classes by Landmark
    Education which i've done, i've learned that when i lie, i go out of
    integrity in almost all areas of my life. The moral and ethical
    boundaries of what i will and won't do get very fuzzy. i protest and
    complain a lot more. I am very defensive. i only be my word when i feel like it. I tend to drive myself unmercifully at times. I have to
    be right! I don't trust myself. There's more but this is a good

    To be in integrity, i only have to clean up the messes
    i made as i grew up until now. I cleaned up the messes i had left
    with my mother, father, sister, ex-wife, present wife, several kids,
    several friends, and i cleaned up with myself..

    Cleaning up
    my relationships felt like releasing a tense knot from somewhere in
    my body for each person i cleaned up with. It took a while (several
    years of-- actually -- pleasant work). I quit complaining, I no
    longer care about being right because I'd rather be effective (in a
    good way). And my integrity is way up there -- particularly compared
    to the me of 20 years ago.

    Back to the priesthood. The lie is
    to God. They vowed celibacy to God and broke it, A large number know
    this and do nothing.

    The second is a knowing disbelief in a
    portion of the Word of God. This is an area the Church preaches
    vehemently about, so they know it is important.

    I assert that these lies to God are
    bigger than when someone lies to their parents. tho both are lies.
    And I also assert that these priests go thru the same
    out-of-integrity issues i listed above for myself when I lied.
    Is this a big deal? I think so because
    the Church through its' Priesthood calls itself the Light, the Truth
    and the Way to Salvation, the most important direction for humanity.
    The Church puts itself at the center of that process. It provides
    leadership and calls itself the voice and arbiter of morality. It is
    the voice saying "Trust Me" while being the lie

    The best and politest i can come up
    with is "extremely disturbing" and the worst is "willful
    betrayal". In either case, huge numbers of lives are upset,
    lives are damaged, lives are destroyed. And it all comes out of
    choosing to live the lie, rather than choosing to live in integrity

    They've created a lot of messes to
    clean up. It may take a couple generations. And if the Church
    doesn't take this on, they make themselves irrelevant to the future
    of humanity and our world
    Jim -

  14. "In the future, when as a gay Catholic I hear a cleric describing
    my orientation in hostile and uncompromising language, I might just want
    to ask a poignant question: is this really about me, or is it more
    about you?" I LOVE that!
    'Course I'd love it more if you'd say "As an ex-Catholic . . . ."
    Just what would the church have to DO to get its parishioners to realise it's evil?

    I love my PP in Portrush, a great man.

    Gay, Catholic and PROUD.

  15. In the past it appears the Catholic Church was a good place to hide and practice what one (ahem) doesn't preach. I do not think that is going to be the case for very long. The catholic church cannot take a beating for this long and not lose its high perch. It will probably also be easier for gay men to be active in their communities, and not have to enter the church. All of this is a good thing for society. It seems that almost anything practiced in the dark becomes dark and evil after a while. The sunlight will be good for the church.


  16. The only ones who can or will ever stop the church from being a "good place to hide" are the pew warmers to whom the molested kids belonged and whose hard-earned money is being blown by bishops to pay sleazy accountants and lawyers to help them in their non-stop cover-up.


  17. There are peer reviewed studies showing that men who committed hate crimes against homosexuals showed sexual arousal when shown sexual images of males. I have not looked at the studies myself (and there is a decent amount of poorly designed studies out there) but the hypothesis that there's something like self hatred involved seems plausible.

    Mental Health Professional - I would say the same about the Catholic Church and in particular this Patrick Devlin. I hope parents protect young people from this, he goes into SCHOOLS?????????? WOW.

  18. The Catholic Church may have closeted Priests, but it's the closeted child molesters that I find reprehensible. Let us start with the fact that homosexuality has been with us since the beginning - quite a few of the Ceasar's (Nero, Augustus, Richard the Lionhearted - you get the point. Anyway, at one time Catholic priests were allowed not just to marry but they had concubines - think: Medici's - for about 1200 years in the beginnings of the Catholic church priests were allowed to marry. Somewhere after Constintine adopted the faith and formalized it's recognition - bureaucracy invaded and priests were no longer allowed to marry.
    And while "sex" too has been around since the beginning, denying oneself the loving pleasure of another has never been "man's" forte, and as priests are surrounded by men - then you go with whom is available. Frankly I've never understood why priests can't be married, and just like republicans that decry homosexuality the most - those are probably the very ones that are still in the closet, hating themselves for what they decry as a "sin against G-d" and hating those that have stepped out of the closet. And while I believe firmly that whether you are homosexual or not - it's not really your business what other grown consenting adults do in the privacy of their lives/homes - you need to find a life of your own. Frankly, I've known a few homosexuals and none of them have ever wanted children.
    What I really want to know is why so many priests turn towards molesting children?

    Catholic Nurse

  19. As I recovering Catholic, I finally understand why the priests' living quarters are called a "rectory." ((insert drum sting)) LOL

    New York


  20. The answer seems easy. Fresh supply of young boys, check. Super secrecy of activities, check. Plenty of like minded people, check. The old male only order is ripe for homosexuality. If god wanted us not to have sex, we wouldn't have the programming to do so. The whole idea that priests are free of sin is as laughable as the period in the dark ages when tickets to heaven were being sold. Absolution was being sold. and rich people were buying. It's all a sick joke. If you're looking for god, I can guarantee you that you won't meet him in church. any of them.

    That Priest Devlin is inviting young people to his rectory to discuss masturbation - WOW! Why are the parents in this parish not protesting outside??


  21. I'm from a Protestant family, and years ago, one cousin became a Catholic priest. He was obviously gay (to me), but hounded by his family about dating and marrying a nice woman. When he became a priest, all that pressure ended, and I figured that is why he escaped to the priesthood.

    If not for bigotry, he could have experienced true love and led a fulfilled life, very sad.

    Catholics not allowing their priests to marry or women to serve in the priesthood, all fake concepts, not Biblical or Christian.

    Just my view and experience of life.



  22. The priesthood provides a very friendly lifestyle for gay men ... lots of men, probably a higher % of gays than in regular society, cover for their gayness, and no pressure to date or marry.

    Gay Priest

  23. And fancy dress!!!!!! OOOOO!


  24. The question is, why would a gay man want to serve an institution that abhors his love? Does the celibacy constraint cause many gay men to use the priesthood as an escape from their (hated by their church) sexuality rather than it being a calling?


    1. Well F Part of the reason I became a priest was that I thought I could never relate properly to women. I felt the call of celibacy would protect me from having to deal with this reality. Priesthood was not the escape I thought it would be. That being said I do believe I had & still have a vocation to ministry. My track record in Elphin is witness to that and I believe Bishop Pat can verify what I say. Sean

    2. Sean, thank you for your openness and honesty! I would love for you to be my pp, married or gay.

  25. The question has an answer: God loves everyone. Some gay men want to serve an institution they regard as a source of bringing them closer to that love. Those bishops (and they are only a few) who have spoken against ordaining homosexuals think of them as not qualified, just as a blind man is not qualified to be a commerical pilot. I think they are wrong, but that seems to be the way they think. A dyslexic has a disorder but that shouldn't stop hm/her from doing what the disorder doesn't concern; priest are supposed to be celibate; as long as they are, their sexual orientation should make no difference, unless it shows up (e.g. cross dressing).


  26. The priesthood couldn't be considered "safe" when the cloisters of seminary life and the pretenses of later life caused and maintained a horrid lack of maturation, especially sexual maturation.

    Mercy Sister

  27. And from a historical standpoint, the priesthood was about the only safe place that a gay man had during an age when he would have otherwise been used as kindling for witch-burnings (from which the derogatory term "faggot" is derived).

    Gay, Priest and open to my Bishop

  28. This is a very useful article to reproduce.

    It very accurately sketches the situation of the gay men that have always - and still do - abound in the RC Church.

    I was ordained to the priesthood a short while number of years ago and studied as a seminarian in Rome.

    Before I went to Rome I was a closeted gay man who was struggling hard to curb my inclinations.

    Within days of being in Rome I found myself in bed with a fellow seminarian and after that I had many liasons with others - including several priests, several priest professors and one Vatican based bishop.

    I am now in an Irish parish and I have to admit that I am not celibate.

    I find living a secret life very difficult. I am trapped - as I love being a priest.

    But at least we are debating these things openly now. Thank you Bishop Pat.

    Irish CC - not Catholic Curate - but Catholic Cutie :-)

  29. Far too much info in this blog for my poor little head to process in one go. Pat is it that hetrosexual (active in a sexual sense) are now the persecuted members of the R C church? By chance I came accross a copy of my laicisation document (which I never signed) !!!!!! Does this mean I am not laicised? I never did sign the fekkin thing! In terms of my laicisation if I am not legaly laicised it makes my negotiations with C of E that little bit more straightforward. Sean

  30. Sean,

    If you did not sign the process would not have gone ahead?

    Why would you want to be laicised anyway?

    Keep talking to the COE

  31. The reason I signed the application was that Christy Jones asked me to. I believed showing willing would go down with C o E. However Ordination is a sacrament & laicisation is a point of law-otherwise whats the relevanceof all this danger of death mullarkey. Sean


      there is nothing the RCC or CoE can do about that :-)


  32. Thank You Pat for stating the obvious Sean

  33. As a cradle Catholic , we were always taught that to receive a Sacrament validly we must have the Proper Intention. Does this mean that a hx man who entered the seminary for access to like minded hx males , ddid receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders validly?
    iIasked a retired priest who is also a Canon Lawyer who drew a long breath and replied to me," It appears that the Vatican must redefine the stipulation of "Proper Intention."
    We were also taught that Jesus instituted the Sacraments as a means to convey Sanctifying Grace which helps us to avoid the near occasion of sin.
    If you truly Believe in the Faith , than this goes a long way in explaining why things are the way they are in the world today.

  34. I certainly do not mind gay priests given they exist in huge numbers and have always been there. The question might be asked, "Why is God calling so many Gay men to the priesthood?" It seems the journey of the faithful is to be truth and to live in this truth. The current teaching concerning homosexuality is based upon Augustinian views and natural Law which, according to recent sexual identity research, would suggest our views are not consistent with truth as science seems to be leaning toward sexual identity being innate or how people are born. It appears catholics like all christians need to reopen the debate and adapt church teaching.