Saturday, 11 October 2014

OLD QUEEN CARDINAL BURKE ATTACKS GAY PEOPLE

OLD "QUEEN" CARDINAL BURKE ATTACKS GAY PEOPLE

THE ARTICLE BELOW WAS SUBMITTED TO THIS BLOG TODAY BY AN ORDAINED PRIEST WITH CLOSE TIES TO THE VATICAN.

HE AND MANY OF HIS VATICAN COLLEAGUES TOTALLY REJECT AND CONDEMN BURKE'S COMMENTS AND CALL HIM AN "OLD QUEEN" FOR THE WAY HE DRESSES AND CARRIES ON.




THE NAME AND PERSONAL DETAILS OF THIS PRIEST ARE KNOWN TO THIS BLOG ADMINISTRATOR


HE ASKS TO BE CALLED: "VATICAN MINUTANTE"

The "Queen" of Rome


In an exclusive interview with LifeSiteNews, Cardinal Raymond Burke has responded to a controversial presentation by an Australian couple before 191 of the Catholic Church’s leading bishops and cardinals at the ongoing Extraordinary Synod on the Family this week.
During their intervention, which has turned out to be one of the most widely reported interventions at the Synod, the Priolas asked and answered a question about what parents should do in the case where their son wants to bring his homosexual partner to a Christmas dinner where their grandchildren will be present.

Ron and Mavis Pirola spoke to pope and synod

The Pirolas’ response, which they held up as a model for the manner in which the Catholic Church should deal with same-sex relationships, was that parents should accept the participation of the son and his homosexual partner knowing “their grandchildren would see them welcome the son and his partner into the family.”
Westminster Cardinal Vincent Nichols revealed afterwards that some Synod fathers responded to the short intervention by the couple “very warmly, with applause.”
Speaking to LifeSiteNews on a short break from the Synod yesterday, Cardinal Burke, the Prefect of the Vatican's Apostolic Signitura, called the Pirolas’ question a ‘delicate’ question that needs to be addressed in a “calm, serene, reasonable and faith-filled manner.”
“If homosexual relations are intrinsically disordered, which indeed they are — reason teaches us that and also our faith — then, what would it mean to grandchildren to have present at a family gathering a family member who is living [in] a disordered relationship with another person?” asked the cardinal?


Burke added “we don't want our children” to get the “impression” that sexual relationships outside God’s plan are alright, “by seeming to condone gravely sinful acts on the part of a family member.” 




“We wouldn’t, if it were another kind of relationship — something that was profoundly disordered and harmful — we wouldn't expose our children to that relationship, to the direct experience of it. And neither should we do it in the context of a family member who not only suffers from same-sex attraction, but who has chosen to live out that attraction, to act upon it, committing acts which are always and everywhere wrong, evil.”
He added, however, that “families have to find a way to stay close to a child in this situation — to a son or grandson, or whatever it may be — in order to try to draw the person away from a relationship which is disordered.”
Cardinal Burke’s concerns were shared by Voice of the Family, a coalition of 15 major pro-life and pro-family groups from every continent, who called the Pirolas intevention “damaging.”
“The unqualified welcome of homosexual couples into family and parish environments in fact damages everybody, by serving to normalise the disorder of homosexuality,” said Voice of the Family spokesman Maria Madise in a press release.
In an interview with Aleteia, Fr. Paul Check, the head of Courage, the Catholic group that works to assist those with same-sex attraction to live chaste lives, responded to the question, noting, “We can never be more pastoral than Jesus.” 
He added, “To welcome people into the Church, into our homes, into conversation … to ‘accept them’ in an authentic Christ-like way would never call for a compromise of the truth.” An example of that comprise he said, would be to “say to someone in some form, ‘Well, that’s the best you can do.’”

The full question and Cardinal Burke's response follow: 
LifeSiteNews: How should Catholic parents deal with a difficult situation like this:
when planning a Christmas family gathering with grandchildren present, parents are asked by their son, who is in a homosexual relationship, if he can come and bring with him his homosexual partner?
Applying these principles, how should parishes deal with open homosexual couples who approach to receive Holy Communion and who seek leadership roles within the parish?
Cardinal Burke: This is a very delicate question, and it's made even more delicate by the aggressiveness of the homosexual agenda. But one has to approach this in a very calm, serene, reasonable and faith-filled manner. If homosexual relations are intrinsically disordered, which indeed they are — reason teaches us that and also our faith — then, what would it mean to grandchildren to have present at a family gathering a family member who is living [in] a disordered relationship with another person?
We wouldn’t, if it were another kind of relationship — something that was profoundly disordered and harmful — we wouldn't expose our children to that relationship, to the direct experience of it. And neither should we do it in the context of a family member who not only suffers from same-sex attraction, but who has chosen to live out that attraction, to act upon it, committing acts which are always and everywhere wrong, evil.
And so, families have to find a way to stay close to a child in this situation — to a son or grandson, or whatever it may be — in order to try to draw the person away from a relationship which is disordered.

"The higher a monkey climbs the more you see of his ass"

And we know that with time, these relationships leave the person profoundly unhappy. And so it's important to stay [as] close as one can. But, that particular form of relationship should not be imposed upon family members, and especially upon impressionable children. And I urge parents or grandparents — whoever it may be — to be very, very prudent in this matter and not to scandalize their children or grandchildren.
There's so much in our society today which is giving the message that any form of sexual relationship, if it somehow pleases you — or you’re attracted to it — is alright, is correct. And we don't want our children to get that impression, by seeming to condone gravely sinful acts on the part of a family member.
It certainly is a source of great suffering, but striving to do what is right and good always involves suffering. And in this case, it surely will. But that suffering will indeed be redemptive in the end.
Now with regard to parishes, the situation is very similar because the parish is — I believe it was Saint John Paul II who once said — a ‘family of families.’ And so, if you have a parish member who is living in public sin in a homosexual relationship, well, the priest should try to stay close to that individual — or to both the individuals if they’re Catholic — and try to help them to leave the sinful relationship and to begin to lead a chaste life. The pastor [should] encourage them also to pray and to participate in Sunday Mass and other appropriate ways of trying to overcome grave sin in their lives.


Those people [who] are living in that way certainly cannot have any leadership role in the parish, because it would give the impression to parishioners that the way they are living is perfectly alright. Because, [when] we lead in a parish, in a certain way, we are giving witness to a coherent Catholic life. And people who are not coherent with their Catholic faith aren’t given leadership roles. They are not asked, for instance, to be a lector at the Holy Mass — or [to] assume some other leadership position — until they have rectified their situation and gone through a conversion of life and then are ready to give such leadership.
On the one hand, it certainly gives scandal to parishioners with regard to a very essential part of our life, our sexuality, [and] what it means. On the other hand, it's not good for the two people involved in the disordered relationship because it also gives them the idea that the Church somehow approves of what they're doing.

THE ADDRESS OF RONA ND MAVIS PIROLA:


Pope Francis calls for frankness when discussing taboo topics during the two-week Synod of Bishops. He wants everyone to discuss head on the topics of marriage, divorce, homosexuality and sex. The Pope gets what he wished for when Australian couple Ron and Mavis Pirola's turn to speak came.
The couple from Sydney, who has four children and eight grandchildren, told Pope Francis and the 200 attendees of the Synod that it was their desire to have sex that brought them together when they first met 57 years ago. It is also sex that kept them married for 55 years now. The couple was hand-picked by the Vatican for the synod to hear about the day to day experience of catholic families. In this way, the church leaders can address their needs.


Professor Ron and Mavis Pirola

The Pirola's said that like all married couple, they had been angry with each other, they have made each other cry and that there had always been anxiety of a looming failed marriage. But with their desire to have sex with each other, their marriage stands the test of all trials.
"Fifty-seven years ago, I looked across a room and saw a beautiful young woman... The little things we did for each other, the telephone calls and love notes, the way we planned our day around each other and the things we shared were outward expressions of our longing to be intimate with each other," the couple said in a joint statement provided to the Vatican Radio.
"Gradually we came to see that the only feature that distinguishes our sacramental relationship from that of any other good Christ-centred relationship is sexual intimacy, and that marriage is a sexual sacrament with its fullest expression in sexual intercourse," the couple emphasised.
The couple had called attention to the fact that church documents on family doctrines are written with difficult language seemingly "from another planet" and "not terribly relevant" to people's real life experience. "We need new ways and relatable language to touch peoples' hearts," they said.
The couple pointed out one common element about church and family - both face the challenge of upholding the truth while expressing compassion and mercy. As way of example, they shared the story of their Catholic friends who have a gay son. The son asked for his partner to join them for the Christmas family gathering. This friend couple believed the church's teaching about homosexuality, yet have acted with compassion and mercy for the gay son. They allowed for his partner to join them, after all "he is our son."
They also spoke about their divorced friend who had always felt unaccepted in her parish. Despite the isolation, she attends mass regularly. They also told the synod about an elderly widow who has a son with Down syndrome and schizophrenia. They said she fears death because his son will be left alone. With them, the couple wishes for everyone to see an important lesson - "to recognise that we all carry an element of brokenness in our lives," because "appreciating our own brokenness helps enormously to reduce our tendency to be judgemental of others which is such a block for evangelisation."
English Cardinal Vincent Nichols told press that the synod gave the Pirolas a round of applause after their address. He described the Australian couple as "quite explicit."  The couple's liberal discussion of the role of sexuality and sexual intercourse within marriage took the bishops by surprise. However, the couple helps the synod to recognise that sex often takes centre stage and that it is important to the wellbeing of marriage

PAT COMMENTS:

Cardinal Burke is a hate monger - trying to encourage the families of gay people to ban them from family occasions and dinners.

This is in direct contradiction to Pope Francis who refuses to judge gay people.


More importantly his words are at variance with the compassionate teachings of Jesus in the Gospels.

I congratulate Pope Francis for inviting Ron and Mavis Pirola to address the synod.

I congratulate the Pirola's on their Christian Catholicism.

Burke is a sad old man who has obviously never known the blessings of human intimacy.

He trapes around Rome dressed like a medieval cardinal.

Apparently Pope Francis is soon to banish him.




In the meantime gay people and their families should remember that they are passionately loved by God and Jesus and they should love and accept each other with the same passion / compassion.

+Pat Buckley
11.10.2014.


THOUGHT FOR TODAY:




HUMOUR:


The younger Stephen Fry



“My first words, as I was being born.....I looked up at my mother and said, 'that's the last time I'm going up one of those.” 

20 comments:

  1. Shame on Burke.

    Congratulations to the Pirolas.

    Many in the Church Hierarchy are either hypocrites living a double life or live on another planet.

    Fr R.

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  2. I believed in this intrinsic stuff for years but now I know it is not as simple as it looks. My example is this: I once had a convertible car, I now have a little Peugeot 107. Different cars and bodies. The intrinsic bit is the fact that I am the driver. The body is the vehicle that expresses the essence of the spirit within. It is about time the aftershaved swish and sway brigade accepted reality. I still have little regard for these talking shops. Hot air all of them. I once asked a nun colleague (who knew me well) for a reference and a Sligo priest I went to colleague with. One declined and one never responded. As a settled gypsy Man once said to me in Castlerea "the curse of my grandmothers p on them all. Sean

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    1. Excuse me, but is "piss" an acronym for "putting it sharp & succinct?" I do have to admire your brevity and command of language.
      MMMichael

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    2. Praise indeed. Thank you and God Bless. Sean

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    3. Sorry Sean! I was too quick of the mark there. Didn't realise the anonymous one word comment at 22:18 on 11th referred/related to your quote from the gypsy man above it. I thought it was simply another one of those one word insults that Pat seems to regularly get.
      MMM

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    4. Either or sounds good to me and I learned something new. Thanks. Sean

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  4. I saw the Burke and Pirola write-ups in National Catholic Reporter (a somewhat middle-of-the-road news journal in the States), and followed a link to the LifeSite News interview. I listened to just a bit 'cuz it was rather tedious. For a man who is 66, Burke sounded terribly rundown with a hesitant and quavering voice. Perhaps the Malta exile weighed heavily on his thoughts (think what the Maltans must feel!). I myself can only imagine how truly exhausting the matinal and quotidian contemplation of tone-on-tone and pattern matching for cincture and zucchetto must be. So, as an American, I find his kit ridiculous: a little more sartorial understatement worthy of the American Republic from a fellow citizen is in order. Sad that a man of his academic accomplishments in theology and canon law is an object of tittering over his anachronistic wardrobe choices. On the other hand, I loved the apt monkey quote, which is attributed to Gen. Joseph Stillwell about Chiang Kai-shek. Old Vinegar Joe is one of my fav persons, especially for his academic interest in China.

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    1. Just to be accurate and to clear up any misunderstanding, Cardinal Burke is soon to be appointed Grand Master of the Sovereign Order of the Knights of Malta, a largely ceremonial post based in Rome at the SOKM HQ on the Aventine Hill. He will not be residing in, nor have any pastoral responsibility for, the Church and People of Malta. This is an honorary role usually given to an aged and retired cardinal.

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    2. Thank you for your comment.

      But is the Prince and Grand Master of the Order of Malta not the English lay man Fra Matthew Festing who was elected for life in 2008?

      Is Raymond Burke replacing him?

      Of do I misunderstand the situation?

      Pat

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    3. Is not Burke becoming the "cardinal patron" of the Order?

      Pat

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    4. Dear Bishop Pat, yes you are correct in that last comment. Burke is becoming the Cardinal Patron and the Grand Master remains Fra Festing, who has the equivalent in law of a Head of State. In that sense and in that sense only is Burke being "promoted". In Roman terms it is the most shocking of demotions and humiliations for one of the most senior members of the Roman Curia. He is going from a position where he weilded immense power over the lives of the faithful to one where all he will have is ceremonial and dressing up. I have it on very good authority when Francis brought him in last week to tell him he started by telling Burke that he had found the perfect role for him as he knew how much he was attached to ceremonial and the Old Rite. Then Francis dropped the bombshell and Burke, I'm told,came out of the pope's room as white as a ghost. This buffoon has brought great shame on the Church with his dressing up antics, though to some extent he was only doing what he thought his previous master (Ratzinger) wanted.

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    5. The Gay's have destroyed our Church. Get out of it, that includes those in Co Antrim. Disgusting people.

      You will not shut good family people up Buckley!

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    6. What gays have destroyed your church?

      Pope Paul VI? Ratzinger? Georgeous George? Cardinal Keith O'Brien? The Curia members who visit Rome's gay saunas?

      What about the "straight" ones - Father Brendan Smyth? Bishop Kieran Conry? Bishop Eamon Casey ? Father Michael Cleary ?

      The only thing that all of the above - and others destroying your church - have in common is their right wing hyprocisy!

      Fr R.

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    7. Please do not allege sexual activity on the part of Blessed Pope Paul, Benedict XVI, or Archbishop Georg Gaenswein. They may or may not be gay, but there is not a shred of evidence that they have ever been sexually active.

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  5. @ Anonymous 10:40 Thanks kindly for the clarification. I ought to have written more clearly, since I knew Burke wasn't actually going to be on Malta, but only with the Knights. Yet, having read possibly comedic comments on the Times and other Malta sites fretting over a possible local residence, I found the temptation to be facetious far too strong LOL. Though Cardinal Burke may hope to be "umilissima," yet he appears "superbissima." Great story: indeed, how doth pride go before a pratfall.

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    1. Did you not say Burke was to be the Grand Master?

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  6. oldfozzie

    As an Anglican, brought up RC, living in France, (noone goes to church here anymore), not sure whether to laugh or cry at some of the above. For me Bishop Pat is spot on with his comments. Bless you all,

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  7. GET OVER IT!

    JESUS WAS A TORAH JEW & FAGGOTS WERE TO BE PUT TO DEATH

    Leviticus 20:13:

    This is almost identical to Leviticus 18:22. In transliterated Hebrew, the verse is written: "V'ish asher yishkav et zachar mishk'vei ishah to'evah asu shneihem mot yumatu d'meihem bam." However, it adds a compulsory death penalty to the participants. In various translation the passage has been translated:

    ASV: (American Standard Version, 1901) "And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    Darby: (J.N. Darby Translation, 1890): "And if a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall certainly be put to death; their blood is upon them."
    ESV: (English Standard Version): "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
    HNV: (Hebrew Names Version): "If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
    KJV: (King James Version): "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
    LB: (Living Bible): "The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have brought it upon themselves."
    NASB: (New American Standard Bible): "'If {there is} a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. "

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