Wednesday, 16 September 2015

SHORTAGE OF PRIESTS - DOWN AND CONNOR ???

SHORTAGE OF PRIESTS - DOWN AND CONNOR ???



There is no need for the Roman Catholic diocese of Down and Connor to be so short of priests as it has TWELVE priests that should be in parishes that are engaged in other work that good lay Catholics could be doing.

TIMOTHY BARTLETT is hanging around the bishop's house doing jobs that could easily be done by a lay person. 


Timo Bartlett


NIALL CORR, PAUL FLEMMING, MICHAEL SPENCE and FEIDHLIMIDH MAGENNIS are teaching in St Mary's teacher training college on the Falls Road. There are plenty of qualified lay lectures in theology and other subjects that could be teaching there while these priests man a parish each. Why does a modern day Catholic college need 4 priests?

JOE GLOVER is the secretary to the bishop in Lisbreen. Most bishops nowadays have lay secretaries - many of them female. It is ridiculous to be wasting an ordained priest on secretarial duties. 

COLIN GRANT is in a grammar school in South Belfast. That school should have lay spiritual directors and a part time priest spiritual director calling in. When I was in Kilkeel (1983 - 1984) I managed to be a curate in a very busy parish with 5 churches or chapels and still provide chaplain services to a grammar school, a secondary school and 5 primary schools!

MARTIN HENRY and OLIVER TREANOR are teaching in Maynooth - a university coming down with good men and women theologians.  

EDDIE McGEE is living in the seminary in Belfast. Why is he not running a parish. He is also the press officer for the diocese. Why does a press officer have to be an ordained priest?


Eddie McGee


PATRICK WHITE is running YOUTH LINK. Why is he not in a parish and also be able to help out in YOUTH LINK?

BRIAN WATERS resigned from Drumbo Parish on health grounds - but is now celebrating daily and weekend Masses in Lisburn Parish?


Brian Waters (right) with Cardinal O'Brien and Tony Farquhar

THE DISAPPEARED:

On top of these Down and Connor has another 2 priests somewhere in LIMBO! Father John McManus and Father Paul Symonds have done nothing wrong according to the law of the land but rumours abound that they are somewhere in outer space awaiting the results of church investigations and procedures. 


Paul Symonds


These two men are Down and Connor's "Disappeared". 


John McManus


I understand that there is a shortage of vocations all over the world. But is seems to me that in Down and Connor, at least, those responsible are not making the best use of priestly resources. 

Priests are ordained to be priests and minister. Their primary call is not the call of a teacher, a secretary, a lecturer, a press officer, a youth worker etc. 

In a time of crisis you make the best use of the resources you have. You do not squander those resources where they are not essential.



Down and Connor has at least 12, if not 14 priests that could be doing basic priestly work. That's not bad for a diocese with 80+ parishes. 

71 comments:

  1. Quite a few of these guys are too "precious" to serve in parishes, which makes you wonder why they ever wanted to be priests in the first place? Perhaps, in the case of wannabe, Timothy Bartlett, his vocation was never to the priesthood in the first place - but to the episcopate?

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    1. Unfortunately he does not belong to a church that recognises the vocation to the episcopate or the pontificate.

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    2. Fortunately, in his case, I would say....

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    3. Timmy Boy has more important things to do: like having his photo in 16th Sept Mourne Observer @ p28, sitting with the Board of Governors as Chairman of St Louis Grammar School Kilkeel.
      It's 56 miles from where he sits as "Episcopal Vicar for Education and Director of Public and Social Affairs" to St Louis. That's a round trip of 112 miles. Does he get a mileage allowance? At current rate for volunteers in some charities the rate is 45 pence, so he might be getting over £50 for that trip? Maybe his presence, with a hugely responsible title like that, was vital? But would the ordinary parishoner in D&C coughing up their parish subscription agree that as a good use of his time and diocesan money?
      Wake up and smell the salts Timmo!
      MourneManMichael

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  2. As I noted on this blog a few days ago, there is no shortage of Priests in D&C because some 90 yr old clerics are still "full of beans", and retirement for clergy has been cancelled. Time enough worrying in 10 yrs.

    LUX.

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  3. The poor bishop has to invent jobs for these guys, who do not really like people - except very important and influential people - who might contribute to the burning desire these men have, to also be "important", born out of their very deep sense of inadequacy.

    They are incapable of ministering, SERVING, in a community where they might get damaged cuticles and encounter REAL young people and REAL "social affairs", etc. They are work-shy and snobs.

    Some of them. like Timo, think they should be bishops. If we lived in a real world, they would be handed their P45s and sent packing.

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    1. Surely the bishop should not even try to "invent" jobs for them. Appoint then to parishes. If they will not go show them the road. Why are bishops so weak?

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    2. It seems, Pat, that the bishop IS inventing jobs for these blokes who haven't served a day in a parish since they were ordained to humour them.

      They obviously saw themselves as ordained - not to serve - but to be served. He should definitely put it up to them and tie them down at least to celebrate daily and sunday masses, to do funerals and to take their turn of being on call in many of the parishes that are under pressure.

      It's a strange circumstance when priests rely on men in their 90's to do 'supply'. Now, thank God, these men are still fit even at that age but, in reality, for how much longer?

      You have the absurd situation for example where bishop-desperately-in-waiting, Timo, has no firm commitment to any parish community but a nebulous role in social affairs and education?

      Likewise for Paul Fleming and Paddy White. Where do these two celebrate Sunday Mass? Do they even GO to Sunday Mass? Paddy White is a bit long in the tooth now to be play-acting at Youth work. Is he still a priest?

      And where is the ever-elusive, truly disappeared, Fr. John O'Connor from the Lower Falls? Questions, questions and more questions!

      Noel, tell them to get off their arses and do what they were ordained to do, or take themselves off into secular employment as bookmakers, Chicken farmers, elderly Youth-workers or whatever.

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    3. Very good point, when was the last time elderly youth worker, Paddy White, was seen at an altar in the diocese?

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  4. Perhaps Timmy boy ought to pay heed to an old saying of my late wife's cousin. He was a bishop. He used to say about episcopal appointments " Those who want them seldom get them and those who get them seldom want them"
    So Pat, not only will the diocese have The Disappeared but you may well have another category The Disappointed !

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  5. John McManus and Paul Symonds are not disappeared. They have been credibly accused of behaviour that needs investigation by the Church. Just because the law of the land says they have done nothing wrong, does not mean that there is no case to answer. If I remember correctly, John McManus made similar claims about James Donaghy in 2006 because, at that time, the DPP had said there was insufficient evidence to secure a convicyion. From what I have heard, the allegations made against Symonds and McManus are very unlikely to have been invented by those making them. Current safeguarding procedures demand that their credibility be judged further. The "law of the land" regularly lets down the victims of crime and guilty perpetrators cam walk away free due to any amount of legal technicalities. Indeed, if PS and JMcM were innocent, they would be furiously and steadfastly, be fighting their corner. Come to think of it, maybe it suits the two of them to be considered "disappeared".

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    1. I agree. I think it would be helpful if the diocese said what you say here - ie: that both men are on leave pending the outcome of the investigation of credible allegations.

      In the case of PS I am privy to substantial information / documentation.

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    2. Pat, you left out two more priests who are in Limbo - this years two newly ordained who have not received appointments.

      So we have three catagories thanks to Travelling Bobbio - the Disappeared, the Disappointed and the Unappointed. PP D&C

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    3. As well as a fair proportion of those who HAVE received appointments: the disappointing.
      MMM

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  6. Why is Bobbio using monks from clonard as administrators in parishes when there are plenty of priests about . There are also a couple of priests who were investigated prosecuted and found not guilty . Why can't he bring them back ???

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    1. I think Bobbio has referred some of these you speak about to the Dublin Ecclesiastical Court where the Rev Judge Paul Churchill sits in judgement.

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    2. Why are people being tried TWICE for the same crime? Doagh Donkey.

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  7. If they would only have the sence and ordaine women . What are they afraid of ? . I reckon they would do a far better job , well let's face it they cudnt do worse

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  8. What you mean Phyliss is disappeared? I saw her the other day up the road in a tractor in a lovely pair of dungarees. And Paul Symonds? Did he not open a wee foot massage shop in WaterFOOT, called Paulie's Plates of Meat? Glenarm Gogo dancer

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  9. Dear GGD,

    Obviously you are telling us that John "Phylis" McManus has returned to agriculture after a failure in the Vineyard?

    I was not aware either that PS had become a chiropodist in the Glens.

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    1. O yes, Pat, Phylis has gone from chancelling to husbandry. Well, she's very much a man's man you see.

      And Paulie's new business venture in WaterFOOT is for a very select clientele. It's strictly for strapping young farm hands with bad bunions in need of a good rub. Glenarm GoGo Dancer.

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  10. Dear Pat,
    Ref the 2 newly ordained I can shed some light (Lux, pun intended)
    Fr Conor McCarthy has been appointed round the corner from you, as Curate in Larne parish, residing in the Parochial hse on Victoria Rd.
    Fr Andrew Black is now Chaplain to the City Hospital.

    LUX.

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    1. Thank yoy Lux. Im sure Connor will visit me on parish visitation and he will be very wecome.

      It is also good that the City Hospital will now have Dean Kennedy like liturgies.

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    2. My clerical colleagues me, that like Dean Kennedy, Father Black is a noted gourmet and sommellier. Dunloy Dunstan.

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    3. I hope Fr Black doesn't wear thon big black dress around the hospital. He'll scare the life out of the craturs.

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  11. A couple of factual corrections, Pat: It's Niall Coll (not Corr).

    Oliver Trainor and Martin Henry have both recently retired from Maynooth but there is no sign of them doing anything in the diocese. Both are still young enough to work in a parish. Maybe they will be in the awaited changes?

    As regards Paul Symonds and John McManus, you can bet these two will never again serve as priests. In fact, Timo was thinking of opening a book on it with clergy (their coming back or not) with Paddy Powers but got his fingers burnt last time. Rathlin Island Randy

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  12. Keep those pseudonyms coming! Doagh Donkey, Rathlin Randy and Glenarm GoGo: Love them.
    Can't wait for a Lurking Lurgan to appear, ....ooops, sorry, Lorcan of course!
    MourneManMichael

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  13. Re the Paddy Power antics

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ni/2008/02/bishop_in_training.html

    http://archive.thetablet.co.uk/article/1st-march-2008/36/flutter-of-controversy-over-new-irish-bishop

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  14. Is Niall Coll not a priest of the Raphoe diocese?

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    1. He may be. If he is not needed in Raphoe could he not serve a parish in D&C?

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  15. I notice in your article Pat a very colourful photograph of the former Edinburgh Archbishop Cardinal Keith O'Brien. He was a native of Ballycastle. Not long after he received his red beretta he paid a visit back to the town of his childhood. After a reception in the parish hall two local female worthies went forward to greet and offer Scotland's Primate their best wishes to be told by a member of the SVdeP "He loves people to get down and kiss his ring"
    Rarely has such a native of that coastal town shown such prophetic insight !!
    Dalriada Dick

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    1. These two ladies were wasting their time. Where were their sons?

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  16. An interesting question. Can anyone name those who have been ordained since 1990 for D+C and who for one reason or another have "stood aside" from ministry?

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  17. Joe McGuigan (ordained in 1991)???? What is his current status? Has he been dismissed by the Pope? And Gerry Murphy (also ordained in 1991)??? He allegedly, sexually abused his nephew.

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    1. Joe McGuigan is a VP - Vicar for Pizzas.

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  18. A suggestion to Bishop Noel:

    Appoint Timothy Bartlett as curate in Poleglass to assist Fr Pat Sheehan.

    TB can still do his "social affairs" and his role as education vicar will be enhanced by his work in St Kieran's and Good Shepherd Primary Schools, as well as local Secondary schools like St Colm's.

    Also, make Paddy White a PP. He's too old for Youth Work now.

    Paul Flaming, its time he was a PP somewhere too. And Colin Grant!

    Make all these men show their mettle or give them early retirement, if they refuse to take meaningful roles.

    We would be far better served by fewer priests. Get rid of the dead wood and, hopefully, new growth will sprout. Lenadoon Lena.

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    1. if the bishop appointed Timo to Poleglass he would sh1te himself lol!

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  19. I note with some interest the remark made earlier (17/9 : 12.28) in relation to the diocese using men from Clonard on diocesean parish duties as they have been doing at the Cathedral during the recent turbulence there.
    There was a time, not many moons ago, when the diocese wouldn't have given Clonard time of day. A family member was a serving priest in West Belfast and he would often complain about parishoners going to Clonard and "throwing money" at the Redemptorists for mass intentions, petitions etc to the financial detriment of Falls Road parish clergy. He told a story that on one occasion a priest from St Paul's went to a wake house and told a Clonard priest ( a friend of the deceased) he had no business being there and leading the rosary!
    Changed days !!
    Springfield Seamus

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    1. Reading these comments, many of which seem to come from priests, suggests that D&C is being run like HMS Pinafore. The captain is at sea (or in the air) and while there are a goodly number of dedicated able bodied semen another group - the petty officers - are running around the decks desiring to be captains and admirals or dressing up as such. Maybe the diocese should be renamed G&S - goons and suckers?

      Attical Atticus

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    2. Thank you Attical Atticus for the reference to G & S, which I can't resist. And thanks too to Lenadoon Lena, Springfield Seamus, DD and the rest. It's catching on!
      So with apologies to Ko Ko and the Mikado, I leave it to the rest of you to continue the theme.

      "As someday it may happen that a victim must be found.
      I've got a little list. I've got a little list,
      of society offenders who might well be underground.
      And who never would be missed, ..who never would be missed.
      First up there's bishop Noel. We'd see him go with glee.
      And right hand man bould Bartlett; he aspires to his own see.
      They never would be missed. They never would be missed.
      And then there's ...................

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  20. And then there's Tony Farter who is on the launching pad.
    Along with CC Dallat who became a Jack the Lad.
    Not to mention Hughie K who is light upon his toes.
    And Symonds and McManus who get up the bishops nose.
    They never would be missed. They never would be missed.
    And then there's.......................

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    1. Ah! then there's Derry Donal with muck inside his nails.
      And The Devlins that blow gales in every teacher's sails.
      Not to mention Dandy Rory who is known to one and all.
      And the man from old Rasharkin who has never hit the wall.
      They never would be missed. They never would be missed.
      And then there's..............

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    2. And then there's the Dunloy caddy with a notion of a twin.
      Along with Footsie Donaghy who resides inside the bin.
      There a Byrne that has a notion of a life within an abbey.
      And a number of good golfers that may even have a babby.

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  21. Songs from HMS Pinafore to be rendered at the next cultural evening at Castelganbobbio:

    "My gallant crew, good morning" - +Noel 'Bobbio' Treanor.
    "But tell me who's the youth?" - Dean Huey Kennedy.
    "Sorry her lot who loves too well" - Frau Nigella vonClintontock.
    "The nightingale" Chancellor ad interim ad infinitum - Eugene O'Hagan.
    "A maiden fair to see" - C Dallat.
    "Sir, you are sad" - Bishop Emeritus P Walsh.
    "Kind Captain, I've important information" Timo Bartlett.
    "Hail! men-o'-war's men" ... "I'm called Little Buttercup" - Phyliss McManus.
    "Carefully on tiptoe stealing" - Paulie Symonds.
    "Things are seldom what they seem" - Timo Bartlett.
    "Here, take her, sir" (which Dean Huey will sing whilst thrusting Frau Nigella to a taxi driver outside a posh hotel in London).
    Portstewart Pansy

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  22. I can only assume that some of the composers whose work is so well displayed above are former pupils of Garron Tower and learned their trade at the feet of the late Fr Patsy McKavanagh !
    Dalriada Dick

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    1. DD did you know Fr Patsy? I liked him and was his confessor when he was ex Garron Tower.

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  23. Lenadoon Lena - great to see someone from your area on here - i am sure you know by now that your PP is a gobshite - deserves an Oscar though for protraying himself as a great priest, should get a job on the stage and give up the collar - must be scratching the neck off him!!!!!

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    1. Does that mean he has GS as well as PP after his name?

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    2. Is Jasper Carrot not on the stage already? Sure his whole life is a class act! Lenadoon Lena

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  24. In Church of England there is a role of Ordained Local Minister (OLM) These are priests who are non stipendiary and work in their own local parishes while keeping their jobs on civvy street. Being a teacher(etc)/priest could work but in current RC/Irish setting I see it being a kind of social insurance for the post holder and a waste of resources

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  25. I have just discovered this site in the last few days. I am appalled at some of the postings on here. I'm disgusted that my church and its priests are being lampooned in this way. But if what is being said is true or even nearly true then what are those in positions of responsibility doing about it and why have they let things get to this state. Surely they must be reading this blog also.This is so sad

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    1. My Friend,

      1. What is being said on this Blog is true.

      2. This Blog is not telling you the half of what is going on!

      3. Much of the information on the Blog and many of the comments are from priests.

      4. Things are in this state because those in charge are not tackling the irregular situations - situations that they know about apart from this Blog.

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    2. To use an analogy from the world of business; one of the reasons for the financial crash 7 yrs ago in the UK, was because of "light touch regulation", otherwise known as "looking the other way".
      The same can be said in relation to the governance of D&C Diocese, where + Noel distracts himself with foreign trips, picking expensive antiques & the like while ignoring many problems in relation to his clergy.
      I have a close relative who is a Priest in Down & Connor & he is very well aware of what the real story is in relation to these matters. It's only a matter of time before the people of God see clearly the hypocrisy of many of their pastors, with the resultant loss of faith, and the hurt and disappointment sharply felt.
      Get your "faith seat belt" securely fastened as you are going to need it shortly !

      LUX.

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    3. Lux, at least your priest relative is being honest with you and not burying his head in the ecclesiastical sand.

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  26. Pat,
    My Priest relative is not a member of the various clerical cliques in D&C such as Conservative, Jack the Lad, utterly cynical, 'actively gay' etc and finds it quite a lonely existence. He is an ordinary decent Priest who says his prayers & tries his best, but he finds the "Celibacy" situation in D&C to be very laxly observed, and wonders when the situation will implode.
    Last week I met him for lunch, and he said that + Noel in his opinion simply does not want to know what his priests are getting up to in private, and when he is informed he does nothing. Perhaps +Noel should have included an ostrich in his Episcopal coat-of-arms ?


    LUX.

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    1. Lux, Thank you. I feel for your relative priest.

      I often aay - and I must repeat - that there are very good priests in D&C - who have kept the faith, say their prayers and faithfully serve their people.

      Bobbio is letting these good priests down as the misbehavers get the whole priestly body a bad name.

      I cannot understand why Bobbio is not protecting the integrity of his priests.

      Does he not care? Is he afraid? Has he despaired? Can he not be bothered?

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  27. Lux, he may well adopt the ostrich but believe you me I know for a fact that certain media folks are reading this blog and something will bubble out into the wider public domain soon

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  28. I'm a serving priest in D+C. I've never been in trouble nor have I ever got involved sexually with anyone. I do my job,say my prayers and keep my head down. Like so many decent men in this presbyterate I don't rock the boat and could never be classed as a troublemaker.
    I feel let down by the failure of my bishop to deal with the bad apples in the barrel. In fact I feel betrayed. The message being sent out from the diocese is that staying faithful to your vows and promises doesn't matter any more. I say to bishop Noel through this blog please,please do something about what is happening in our diocese.

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    1. Fr, I hope that your sincere and fervant plea is heard and acted upon.

      Is it not possible any more for priests to have a word in the bishop's ear?

      The priests should be among the very first that the bishop consults and listens to.

      Does Noel not realise that there is huge pressure against the dam and if it bursts, as burst it will, there will be an almighty flood that will sweep so much away.

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    2. Father, I agree. But we stay faithful to our vows for the Lord and it matters to Him. I cannot understand, however, the inertia that seems to have settled like a deathly fog on the bishop.

      I remember, about 14 or 15 years ago, word going round that Paddy Walsh had called about 10 men in to warn them about their being seem at gay cruising sites. It seems he told them not to worry, there was no proof - but to be careful.

      It does seem that some men in this diocese seem to be able to offend God and run the risk of grave scandal with impunity.

      When this all 'hits the fan', it will be the faithful priests who have to stand before their congregations and take the hurt, shock and outrage that will rightly be felt by our parishioners. It also puts all of us under suspicion - people looking at us and wondering: 'what is he getting up to?'

      There are a number of highly irregular situations, in the diocese, that are a running sore - spreading poison and threatening the health of the entire presbyterate.

      It is shocking SHOCKING that this is allowed to continue, without forthright action being taken - even to the extent of putting certain men out of ministry.

      The media are undoubtedly watching. This will explode and it will be horrible for all of us. And people will definitely be looking for answers from Lisbreen.

      There is NO EXCUSE for this disgraceful situation being allowed to continue. It is like a cancer. It must be excised. We would be better with fewer priests.

      Indeed, as has been suggested, albeit some of it in jest, those men sitting in colleges, schools and offices, need to be given proper pastoral work. It is grossly unfair that the heavy burden is loaded on to the few.

      I suggest that the bishop employ experts in efficient deployment of resources and that priests be interviewed properly for some positions, rather than certain totally unsuitable men, with zero pastoral skills, being inflicted upon decent people in our parishes. PP DC

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  29. I think Bishop Treanor is playing the numbers game. If he moved against Priests who are in relationships, then the Clerical "chess board" might in his opinion have too many empty spaces !

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    1. Re-zone the Parishes!

      Implement the pastoral areas plan!

      Get rid of the bastards who are acting the maggot.

      We would be better with 20 committed and dedicated priests for the whole diocese. There are parts of Europe and America that are lucky to have 10 priests for areas as big - and bigger - than all of Down and Connor.

      Get rid of the wasters and reprobates - some of whom are committing a mortal sin every time they say Mass!!!

      To those who are screwing around with women or men - or think themselves "too good" to serve in a parish - GET THE FXXX OUT!

      There are some characters in this diocese and they are not fit to look after a chicken coup!

      A priest who is out of patience.

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  30. The Bishop has a most grave obligation, before God, to protect the faithful priests and faithful people against evil and scandal. "The Good Shepherd lays down His life for His sheep". Not only is there one 'elephant in the room', there is whole bloody herd of them!

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  31. Your contributor at 22.51 has hit the nail on the head and has articulated my feelings exactly. I believe I'm a decent, hard working priest. I have never aspired to be anything other.Every time we have an scandal or an exposure of a priest's secret( sometimes not so secret) behaviour I feel the effects. I know my parishoners and other residents in the town look at me and must be thinking to themselves "I wonder what he's at?" This has a slowly demoralising effect not only on me but the many other fine men out there who have shared their feelings with me.The jokes,the innuendo and the sometimes downright rude remarks are taking their toll. I am a human being and have been hurt many times. I look to my bishop to root out these people,help them or deal with them
    and try to put these matters to right but nothing is happening.

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    1. A number of years ago a D&C priest was caught by the RUC having sex with a young man in his car in Belfast. The police officer reported the matter to the Chief Constable - Sir John Hermon. John Hermon reported the incident to Cahal Daly.

      Cahal Daly sent for the priest and told me he had received the report. He had one request of the priest: "Father, would you please change your car".

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  32. Why did he tell you about the report. We're you the subject of the report Pat? Lol

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    1. :-) No I was not the subject of the report. I heard about it from the young man who was with the priest the night of the incident - and later.

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  33. Listening to the Pope preaching in Cuba on today's Gospel - causes me to reflect on what ails this diocese, according to many of the comments here.

    1. Men who serve themselves, who pursue their own interests and ambitions, career clerics who suit themselves and even invent self-important roles for themselves, in an attempt to make themselves indispensable and in the hope of further personal aggrandisement.

    These men are not servants of the Gospel but puffed up, conceited worshippers of themselves. They need to be converted or they "will receive very many strokes of the lash"..

    2. Those men who prey upon the vulnerable, who seek sexual gratification from those to whom they are sent as servants, are a ghastly distortion of true priestly identity. They are grotesque spiritual mutants. Monsters and what they do is monstrous!

    These individuals are demonic on account of the ruinous and calamitous damage they can cause and WILL cause! Their actions are the Skandalon and their end will be in the Lake of Fire.

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  34. Whilst I take your post seriously I couldn't help but smile on reading " they will receive many strokes of the lash"
    According to some reports I have heard there are a few priests in the diocese who wouldn't be averse to that !!'

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  35. Could someone please elaborate on what "events in Dunloy" refer to? Also, what was the general opinion on Fr Vincent McKinkley, sorry McKinley??

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