Saturday, 3 October 2015

VATICAN MONSIGNOR OUTS HIMSELF AS GAY

Gay CDF Priest ‘Comes Out,’ Declares Church Must Change
"We demand from the pope revise the catechism ... regarding homosexual persons"


by Matthew Pearson  •   October 3, 2015  

ROME, October 3, 2015 (ChurchMilitant.com) - A Polish priest working at the
Congregration for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) has admitted his homosexuality and issued a manifesto demanding changes to Church teaching. 
The priest, Msgr. Krzysztof Charamsa, is a professor at the Pontifical Gregorian University and has been on the Vatican's International Theological Commission since 2009. 
In a video released yesterday by the Polish LGBT activist group Artyku┼é osiemnasty, Msgr. Charamsa declares his homosexuality and admits to having a boyfriend. 

Also released along with the video was a 10-point manifesto of demands. 
1. Disposal of homophobia and anti-gay discrimination

We demand that the Catholic Church divest itself of activities, the mentality and language of homophobia, hate speech, humiliation and depreciating, marginalization, stigmatization and rejection of LGBT people. We demand the cessation of the Church of discrimination and soft persecution of these people so within it as well as beyond its borders.
2. Condemnation of punishment for homosexuality
We demand that the Church unequivocally speak out against punishment for sexual orientation and against the death penalty or imprisonment, against any acts of cruelty against any discrimination against people based on sexual orientation, as well as against attempts to undergo "reorganizational therapies" of persons belonging to sexual minorities.
3. Cessation of the Church's interference in guaranteeing human rights by democratic states
We demand that the Church revise its past behavior to states and nations which, through the democratic development of civilizations, seek to guarantee human rights, including the right of persons belonging to sexual minoritiesto love and to civil marriage. Civilized countries should respect their autonomy for the sake of the common good of all, not just Catholics.
4. Canceling incompetent and prejudicial documents
We demand the Pope revise the Catechism and repeal all the cruel documents that are incompetent to deal with the issue of homosexual persons, who are the object both of the Church's compassion and stigmatization — in particular, the documents of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the heir to the Holy Inquisition. Unacceptable documents include:
a) the declaration Persona Humana from 1975, discussing among other things the "pathological constitution" of homosexual persons, which by their nature supposedly "have difficulty adjusting socially" and carry an "disorder" that "without the necessary and significant adjustment" is considered a "depravity";
b) Letter on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons of 1986, which calls for "compassion" for homosexuals, who "suffer" from same-sex attraction, and which accepts the existence of "fair discrimination" against homosexuals and rejects only "unjust discrimination" against them;
c) the outrageous Considerations Concerning the Response to Legislative Proposals on the Non-Discrimination of Homosexual Persons in 1992;
d) Considerations Regarding Proposals to Legalize Unions Between Homosexual Persons from 2003, according to which homosexuality is "devoid of any genuine affective maturity," and homosexual relationships are devoid of any "human and ordered form of sexual relations";
e) the Catechism of the Church Catholic, sections 2357–2359, teaches that not only same-sex acts but also homosexual orientation are "objectively disordered." It also emphasizes that by nature, homosexuals have no emotional complementarity with other human persons they love. And it adds that for most of us orientation is a difficult experience requiring compassion toward our neighbor, but not without avoiding just discrimination. How does the Church know what is our suffering and difficulty? Well, it is not sexual orientation, but homophobia from the Church. Learning via the Catechism is offensive, apart from the fact that the very definition of homosexuality is deficient, if not quite false. The analysis of the situation of homosexual persons is also deficient.
5. Immediate cancellation of discriminatory instructions about denying the priesthood to homosexual persons
We demand that the Pope immediately abolish regrettable instructions about refusing the ordination of homosexuals, endorsed by Pope Benedict XVI in 2005.
6. Initiate a serious interdisciplinary scientific reflection over the morality of human sexuality
We demand that the Church initiate a serious and objective scientific reflection on sexual morality, taking note of the development — which so far the Church has only viewed ideologically — of science and reproductive health services, medical, psychological, psychiatric, biological, sociological, anthropological, Gender studies, etc.
7. Revision of the interpretation of biblical texts on homosexuality
We demand that the Church treat seriously the question of its own interpretation of the Bible, freeing itself of fundamentalism, noting verses that talk about homosexual people, never condemning them, and contextualizing biblical texts that address homogenital acts.
8. Adoption of ecumenical dialogue with our Lutheran and Anglican brothers about homosexuality
We demand that the Church take seriously ecumenical dialogue on the issue of homosexuality with Christians, Protestants and Anglicans who, in an open and transparent process of maturation, have developed their own beliefs on this subject, which may help the Catholic Church understand the reality of it.
9. The need to ask for forgiveness toward homosexuals
We demand that the Church stop persecution and crimes against homosexuals and to cease committing similar acts from now on. 
10. Respect for and belief in homosexuals and change in the distorted position of the Church on what a homosexual Christian life should look like
We demand that the Church finally open itself up to believing in homosexuals, who are baptized persons belonging to sexual minorities who still do not have the right to dispose themselves in total love and resignation to a healthy sex life, which expresses their nature in accordance with their sexual orientation.
Text of "Gazeta Wyborcza" received from Fr. Christopher Charamsy via Vox Cantoris. Translation slightly edited for clarity.
Interview Transcript:
My name is Krzysztof Charamsa. Monsignor Krzysztof Charamsa. I am a member of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ... the second secretary of the International Theological Commission. I'm a theologian, philosopher; I lecture  in bioethics at the Pontifical Gregorian University. ... I am gay. ... I love our country, our fatherland, I am a patriot. ... when in parliament, in my fatherland, someone can  put down a homosexual person with impunity, with impunity! And he does not turn off the microphone!

If someone can travel around, as does Fr. [Dariusz] Oko in my country with his theater of the absurd, demagoguery, ideologies, and do so with impunity!

When someone becomes the president of this country, and can be allowed with impunity to make insinuations about improper attire of my social group, and the next day not apologize for his words —with impunity!

When the former president for five years, didn't meet with homosexual families, not even for half an hour, to look them in the eye. With impunity ignore them! Those for whom they were established to serve.

The Church is silent, hideously silent, and when Dominic from Bierzun takes his own life, because  he can't endure homophobia, the hate ... Then the Church is then silent, and legally, leaves everything before some prosecutor. When the Church should be a moral authority, She is then silent. That means we have struck a growing crisis, hypocrisy, falsehood, insensitivity. Where is our Gospel?

(Transcript courtesy of Toronto Catholic Witness)

PAT SAYS:

This is a blow for the Vatican. 

First of all one of their own monsignors outs himself as gay as having a partner.

Secondly he does it on the day before the Vatican SYNOD ON THE FAMILY begins during which there will be discussions about making gay people feel more part of the church.

Fair play to him. Obviously he can now forget about being a cardinal, papal nuncio, archbishop or bishop.

Obviously truth means more to him than "career".

Of course most priests - and bishops - are secretly gay.

10 comments:

  1. Hi Pat, Well done Monsignor. Thank God someone nearer the centre of the church has had the courage to come out and hopefully will now shine a spotlight on the terrible nonsense at the heart of the Roman church,namely that a considerable number of those who impliment and enforce the ban on known homosexuals entering priesthood are themselves homosexual. Many of them in relationships. Stinking hypocrits the lot of them ! Go for it Monsignor ! Pat you must know at least 7 bishops who are gay and 4 of them are either in or were in relationships. Such hypocrites

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    1. I don't support this gay priest's announcement. It is a vain & deeply cynical & self-absorbed thing to do especially given the upcoming Synod. This priest needs to pray & reflect upon what he has done & seek forgiveness. Peace.

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    2. MourneManMichael5 October 2015 at 20:17

      Don't want your kind of peace. It seems to be the kind which ignores the obvious, buries its head in sand, clings to outdated out of touch moralistic beliefs of the absolutist RC variety with no understanding of the huge variations in how humans express genuine love.
      Mourne Man Michael

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    3. MourneManMichael13 October 2015 at 00:34

      You appear to be very much of a minority opinion sir. ( I'm assuming it's indeed a sir.)
      Moreover indeed I suspect you to be one of those tired old RC clerics still tied to the secure/reassuring apron strings of Thomistic absolutism on all things considered moral (or otherwise).
      Would you ever get a life outside views and understanding based on the limited perspectives of your formative training years of ????...40+ years ago. The world is moving on leaving those stuck in the past to languish.
      MMM

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    4. Greetings, MMM. Hope all is well in exotic Attical. Regardless of whether I hold a minority opinion, the truth is still the truth no matter how uncool it may be.

      & no, I'm not a priest.

      I wish you peace nonetheless.

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  2. I believe the Monsignor is identifying a major issue for the Church; namely hypocrisy.
    Over many years as a Diocesan Priest I have become aware of the numerous situations past & present where Priestly celibacy is not being observed. Many of these clandestine relationships involve homosexual clergy.
    Bishop Treanor is aware of the majority of these relationships & chooses to condone them by his silence. This pretence has an ever approaching day of reckoning !
    There are 2 topics in particular which Bishop Treanor avoids speaking of in public;
    Diocesan finances & the crisis of the Priesthood in Down & Connor.
    I expect much scandal to be exposed in these 2 areas in the near future.

    Priest of Down & Connor Diocese.

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  3. https://incaelo.wordpress.com/2015/10/04/in-rome-no-one-was-fired-for-being-gay/

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  4. Good Lad! I always suspected there was more to the vatican than the swish (not sway) of robes and expensive man perfumes.

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  5. Diocesean finances. ??? Can someone enlighten me please

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  6. Its been quiet on here! (fek the catechism change practice and attitudes first) Im off to Knock Ill ask Mary to have a word with the young fella!

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