"MAYNOOTH TURNED ME INTO A COMPULSIVE LIAR"
That statement above comes from a former seminarian of Maynooth - and he hits the nail on the head.
He told me at our meeting on Saturday that in order to exist in Maynooth you had to become a liar. Even though he is now left priestly training he says he still has a lot of work to do on himself to stop the lying habits he learned in Maynooth.
And of course lying seminarians - if they get ordained - to on to becoming lying priests and bishops.
He told me at our meeting on Saturday that in order to exist in Maynooth you had to become a liar. Even though he is now left priestly training he says he still has a lot of work to do on himself to stop the lying habits he learned in Maynooth.
And of course lying seminarians - if they get ordained - to on to becoming lying priests and bishops.
FATHER GER FITZGEARLD - KILLALOE DIOCESE
FR GER FITZGEARLD |
LIMERICK LEADER: "A COUNTY Limerick priest, who is one of the youngest in Ireland, has defended the national seminary in Maynooth from anonymous allegations of “homosexuality and misconduct”.
Fr Ger Fitzgerald, Castleconnell, who only left St Patrick’s College in 2011 and is still in contact with priests there, says it is being portrayed as a “golden house of debauchery, sin and squalor”.
“In my time, this was not the case. No parties were had and there were no drinks in rooms. This simply did not happen during my years,” said Fr Fitzgerald, who entered the seminary in August, 2005.
Now based in Ennis, the 36-year-old says he felt he “should say something considering the recent storm that appears to have engulfed my old alma mater”. To have an image of Maynooth as a replica of a Christmas party in The Wolf of Wall Street is an “inaccurate representation”, he said.
“As students in my time, we were all there with a purpose in mind. We all wanted to be close to God because we love God and were trying, in our own flawed way, to serve him in his church.
“This is why I have such an issue with what is happening currently. The church that I love with all my heart is once again taking a battering. This goes further than just the institution of Maynooth College. This strikes again right to the heart of the church in Ireland,” said Fr Fitzgerald.
Clouds have gathered over the seminary ever since Archbishop Diarmuid Martin explained his decision to send seminarians to Rome instead of Maynooth due to allegations of a "homosexual, gay culture - that students are using an app called Grindr, a gay dating app".
The Limerick Leader understands that one Limerick priest is due to go back shortly to study for a Bachelor of Arts degree in St Patrick’s College and that Bishop of Limerick, Brendan Leahy is going to discuss the matter with him. Two other Limerick men are about to start in the Irish College in Rome.
While most of the Limerick diocese’s seminarians over the years went to Maynooth, others also studied in Thurles, Carlow, Waterford, amongst others.
After being contacted by the Leader for his thoughts as somebody who studied there, Fr Fitzgerald stresses these are his reflections and reminiscences.
“I cannot speak for any other student, perhaps even less so for the students who are there now. I must also say that even just one case of abuse be that verbal, physical, sexual or in any form is one case too many and should be investigated rigorously.
“I have read absolute horror stories of formation meetings turning into interrogations about a person’s sexual orientation, spiritual direction gone awry and other such disgraceful events. If it is ongoing then things have certainly changed in the five years since I left Maynooth. In my time, formation meetings, which are semester meetings with your director of formation, were deeply respected by the vast majority of students.
“As for the experiences I have read in the papers of formation meetings becoming something which could be included in the 13 enhanced interrogation tactics used by the CIA, this categorically was most certainly not my experience,” said Fr Fitzgerald, who believes it is a time for all parties to come together and to openly, not anonymously, discuss “whatever it is that is rotten in the state of St Patrick’s College”.
PAT SAYS:
Ger, I was amazed to read your comments in the Limerick Leader.
Do you not remember the meal you and I had in a restaurant in Temple Bar in Dublin when you were in Maynooth? During that meal you told me that:
1. You were in a sexual relationship with a young woman and that you intended to continue in that relationship even after you were ordained as you did not believe in celibacy?
2. Maybe you changed you mind when you were ordained a deacon - but I doubt it?
3. But even if you did change - you were, according to your own admission, having sex while you were in Maynooth!
4. Does that not mean that you have lied to the Limerick Leader and its readers when you say that you saw no misbehaviour when you were in Maynooth?
5. You also say that there was no drinking in rooms in Maynooth when you were there. I have spoken to someone who was with you in Maynooth who told me that he was "pissed" at least three nights a week in Maynooth!
What has happened you Ger? Now that you have become part of the CLERICAL CLUB are you now towing the party line and pretending that all is rosy?
Why are you doing that? Are you covering up for yourself? Or are you hoping for advancement by being a good company man?
Ger, WHY ARE YOU LYING? I am very disappointed in what you seem to have become!
A READER HAS SENT US IN THE PIC OF GER FITZGEARD BELOW WITH SEAN LINNANE:
MAYBE GER IS MORE IN TOUCH WITH HIS "FEMININE SIDE" THAN I THOUGHT ???A READER HAS SENT US IN THE PIC OF GER FITZGEARD BELOW WITH SEAN LINNANE:
GER - WITH THE RED HAIR ? |
THE PICS KEEP COMING :-)
Killaloe's Julian Clarage |
AS THIS ARTICLE FROM THE USA SHOWS:
GRINDR seminarians become GRINDR PRIESTS:
Sexually active seminarians become sexually active priests.
GRINDR seminarians become GRINDR PRIESTS:
Sexually active seminarians become sexually active priests.
STOCKTON VICAR GENERAL CAUGHT IN SEXTING SCANDAL
NEWS: CRISIS IN THE CHURCH
STOCKTON, Cal. (ChurchMilitant.com) - A Catholic church in northern California has a sexting scandal on its hands — and it involves the diocese's second-in-command.
Monsignor Larry McGovern, Vicar General of the diocese of Stockton and pastor of Presentation Church, is being accused of texting pictures of his genitalia to a parish maintenance man. After the picture was sent, Fr. McGovern and the man held a brief text conversation:
McGovern: "OOPS. Sorry about that. The curse of the internet. Shame on me. What is my penance?"
Maintenance Man: "I thought you were celibate, Monsignor."
McGovern: "But it is not me — celibate means not married — sometimes I get the wrong images."
After reporting Msgr. McGovern to the authorities, the maintenance man was later fired. He then hired an attorney and filed a lawsuit in late July for unlawful termination.
John Manly, the maintenance man's lawyer,explains, "Monsignor McGovern either fired him because he reported him, or he fired him because he rebuffed whatever advance McGovern was making."
The inappropriate image was not Msgr. McGovern's only troubling behavior. The lawsuit charges that Fr. McGovern would often sunbathe in minimal clothing and flirt with the maintenance man, causing him great discomfort.
Manly explained that McGovern was often found "laying around in a speedo, making our client very uncomfortable."
"Our client's a married man," he commented. "This is his pastor."
As Vicar General, McGovern is responsible for overseeing other priests — including at least two clergymen accused of molesting children.
The diocese of Stockton responded to the lawsuit by stating, "In accordance with the canon law of the Church, Bishop Stephen Blaire has placed Monsignor McGovern on administrative leave pending a full and complete investigation."
Stockton police have referred the case to the district attorney's office, who is currently investigating whether to file charges against Fr. McGovern. The maintenance man, whose child will attend the Catholic school attached to McGovern's parish, wants to ensure McGovern is gone before the start of the school year.
They should appoint Mgr McGovern to the staff of Gaynooth. He would be right at home with his vision of priesthood and he would be a good mentor to some of the students. Someone should maybe tell some of these seminarians that they would make more money in the gay porn industry than they would make in the priesthood.
ReplyDeleteThe tidiest explanation of everything is that those three Dublin seminarians told egregious lies about Maynooth to their gullible archbishop hoping to have a lot more fun in Rome.
ReplyDeleteHow then do you account for the dozens of ex-seminarians over the past two decades who tell exactly the same story? How do you account for the fact that this story isn't unique to Maynooth, but is replicated in multiple seminaries around the world. Read Goodbye Good Men by Michael Rose. It's all mapped out there.
DeleteThe tidiest explanation is that maynooth is corrupt and either ha to be closed or else reformed from top to bottom, starting with the sacking of the current administration team.
Response from 10:51 above:
Delete'Tis not at all clear what "exactly the same story" is. Some sems are sexually active, some make a nuisance of themselves. Statistically inevitable. We might hope that they will find their own way out of the seminary. Formation staff should be vigilant. But do we want a witch hunt? I think not. Out of 55 how many are we talking about? Five? Ten? Twenty? More? Might some of the staff have their own psychosexual issues? Statistically inevitable. Sorry to be pious about it but Jesus didn't get the perfect team when he choose the twelve apostles. He had to make do with what his Father sent him. Even Judas Iscariot.
You make several excellent points.
DeleteMind you Judas left the priesthood rather suddenly :-)
Ger, you are a moron.
ReplyDeleteDipping your wick and talking shite to the papers.
Do you think people are fucking stupid?
You are a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE.
Will you be tendering your resignation as a "Welcome to Killaloe" gift and gesture to bishop-elect Fintan?
Ger, you must be very very very very very stupid, if you think you can go for a meal in the Temple Bar with Pat Buckley - and tell him that you are in a sexual relationship with a young woman - and that you intend to continue that relationship after ordination because you don't believe in celibacy - AND THEN - talk pure horsehite to the Limerick Leader about the goings on in Maynooth!!!!!
ReplyDeleteDid ye not see how Temple Bar was going to come back and bite the arse of ye???
Or maybe, Ger, you think we, the people, are stupid???
More fool you - goodbye Ger.
Your parents would not be proud of what you turned into Pat
ReplyDeleteWhat have I turned into?
DeleteA whistle blower? A person who tells the truth? A person who challenges lies and hypocrisy?
You did not know my Mam and Dad.
My Mam lived in Larne with me for 16 years and saw and heard all that I did.
I can assure you they would have no problems with me.
This is nothing but tabloid publishing
DeleteIt seems that there are lots of people above willing to engage in the cover-up.
DeleteAs a layman and father of young children I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the hypocrisy that eats away at the church like a cancer. I may not agree with Pat Buckley on a lot of things, but I admire his courage here. The hypocrisy of so many clergy sickens me, and it surely angers God. I remain amazed at the enablers who wish to cover it all up again. What are they trying to hide???
By the way we had this meal some 7/8 years ago and I have never discussed it with anyone - nor felt the need to.
ReplyDeleteThen, Ger, appears on the front of the Limerick Leader, and on the top spot in Google denying that ANYTHING wrong too place in Maynooth in his time !!!
- making out the people (including victims) I've talked to in the last month into LIARS !
No way!
Wish Ger had taken me out for dinner. he looks like a handsome man.
ReplyDeleteYou would need to be a WOMAN!
DeleteHe does not do men.
And I took him out to dinner :-)
I was in formation myself for a few years and I did notice a big problem with truthfulness among the other men. Some were pathological liars - a bigger percentage than in normal life. In many ways truthfulness is a more important quality than chastity in a priest. Someone with a tendency to lying should be expelled.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who knows anything about Maynooth thought that this priest was either very naive or a big liar. It now seems he was a big liar. Very sad.
Pat, it is clear you are the liar. Some of them 'victims' were publicly shamed for telling lies or as they like to call them 'misunderstandings'. The other 'victim' who is married will also be shown for who he is.
ReplyDeleteI believe that this man's story - and the very full statement he has made to the Garda is true.
DeleteIt has been a very painful experience for him - opening up old wounds.
PS: You calling me a liar does not bother me in the least.
DeleteAfter 30 years trying to expose the utter rottenness of the RC Church - there is nothing I have not been called.
Sticks and stones.......................
What lies did the victims tell?? Please educate us...
DeleteHere is a great pic of Fr Ger with boobs: http://clarepeople.photoshelter.com/image/I00003P0.ZXTvWVM
ReplyDeleteThe only reason you believe that mans story is because you want to believe it. Lets suppose he is wrong. Will you write a blog on him?
ReplyDeleteWhat about the other seminarians who gave you wrong information? Where is Declan's blog or Francis or Conan's blog?
I know the man is telling me the truth. If the Garda say he is not then I will write a blog saying that the Garda do not believe him.
DeleteBut that will not happen.
I would be very happy to hear from DECLAN, FRANCIS or CONAN
I will publish their points 100%
bishoppatbuckley@hotmail.com
And are all of the seminarians who tell similar stories over the past 20 years also lying? The young priests who got through Maynooth and tell the same stories privately, but won't go public for fear of retribution???
DeleteOn the question of truth or being believed, may I briefly summarise the comment I made some time back.
DeleteIrrespective of whether or not the garda believe a complainant or not, the resolution of the matter (in a legal sense) will depend in the first instance on whether an offence is being alleged, and secondly on the force and quality of the evidence of the alleged offence(s). In essence, is there sufficient evidence to believe that on balance, a court is likely to find the evidence sufficiently convincing to warrant a finding of guilt. I'm not 100% certain of legislation in the ROI, but suspect that it may be similar to UK in that the standard of proof for a conviction in criminal cases should be "beyond reasonable doubt". [Unlike civil cases where a conviction can be made "on the balance of probabilities")
So regardless of who 'believes' who, what in the end will count (for a conviction) will be 'proof, proof, and the whole proof'.
MMM
Spot on MMM as usual.
DeleteBut apart from the criminal complaint there is now enough material available to make us conclude that Maynooth has serious issues - as affirmed by the Archbishop of Dublin who probably knows more than all of us put together - albeit that he chooses words like "gpings on" and "quarrelsome" to describe it.
I made that comment Pat to underline that even if no prosecutions or convictions eventually materialise, this can not be taken as an exoneration or 'proof of innocence'. I'm pointing out the difficulties in securing convictions in relation to interactions usually in private between adults.I'm certainly mindful of the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise, but, having said that, with respect to the reported goings-on at Maynooth there's certainly an awful lot of smoke billowing about regardless of whether the 'fire' is eventually found,and it's certainly true that that smoke obscures, demeans and diminishes the whole establishment and those responsible for running it.
DeleteMMM
Does anyone know when Maynooth seminary is due to re-open?
ReplyDeleteFirst years back very soon.
DeleteFirst years are back on the 21st. God help them!
ReplyDeleteI hope you report him to his bishop Pat.
ReplyDeleteHe has no bishop just now.
DeleteSecondly, I have no evidence / information that he is currently sexually active.
Just his stated intention not to observe celibacy.
In any event I am sure that many in Killaloe read this blog.
There's only two seminarians from Killaloe.
ReplyDeleteFair play, those photos where taken at a fundraising event for the local rape crisis service.
ReplyDeleteNot to raise funds for GAYNOOTH ?
DeleteGiven the current controversy in Maynooth Fr Fitzgearld's pictures are, to say the least, "unfortunate".
DeleteSenior Man Killaloe.
Drink in students rooms....? In my day in Rome students were not allowed drink in their rooms. I never saw this rule broken. Post Grad Priests were allowed have alcohol in their rooms. i admit to the occasional tipple in a colleagues room. Nothing wrong ever happened. I admit access to alcohol in Rome was more "normal" than Ireland. I admit to drinking over and above on several occasions. Some of this may have been a compensation for not being able to pursue hetrosexual relationships at the time. However I did not articulate this until years later and I did live in a world of idealism. If the Rev gent above said one thing to you and something else to the papers he needs to clarify his position with no B S involved
ReplyDeleteSean, Its the private / public duplicity that is not right.
DeleteThis is the RC "normal" :-(
I do not agree that this is "RC normal". Duplicity and hypocrisy are everywhere, in politics, religion, etc. It is sinful human nature.
DeleteYou have cases, for example, of self-righteous "evangelical" preachers, in the USA, condemning homosexuals and then being caught with a male prostitute.
There are still many Catholics, priests, religious and laity, doing their best to be faithful to Christ and living their faith.
That being said - Maynooth is a DISGRACE!
What is unfolding there is a further deep betrayal of faithful priests and laity.
It is no use hating and reviling Pat Buckley for this scandal - for that is what it is - a horrendous SCANDAL.
Pat Buckley did not make this story up. People have gone to him because they were not listened to, not taken seriously, dismissed and hurt.
The failure/inability by those with responsibility to sort this mess out is absolutely astonishing.
I would not want my son to be a seminarian in Maynooth.
Maynooth needs radical and extensive surgery.
Think Fitz is being a very silly boy. The contents of the talk at dinner is a case of Fitz word against Buckley. I believe Buckley. He might be a shit stirrer but he doesn't tell lies !!
ReplyDeleteI am either a shit stirrer or a reformer?
DeleteBut even if I am a shit stirrer I cannot stir unless there is shit to stir.
I am telling the truth about the Temple Bar conversation.
And Ger has not denied it !!!
There is only one sure way to reform the Catholic Church - abolish the clery.
ReplyDeleteOne of your blogs, Pat, mentioned that a pope held captive by Napoleon laughed
when the Frenchman threatened to destroy the Church. The pope replied: you will not succeed; we priests have been trying to do that for 1800 years.
200 years later, these priests are still trying to destroy the Church. Why do the laity
put up with them? They are financial parasites. They are not wealth producers, but wealth takers - from the laity. The very people they dominate, whose children they
abuse, and then have that abuse covered up with the complicity of bishops.
Incredibly, they insist that they are the necessary link between heaven and earth . That their is no grace but through their sacramental rituals.
Away with the lot of them!
We have direct access To The Father through Jesus.
DeleteWe do not need middle men - especially corrupt middle men.
Billy: The clergy are necessary, and I believe that there are many great clergy out there. They deserve our support. But how does one distinguish between the genuine article and the hypocrite? This is the problem the bishops have created - by failing to act and reform they have allowed a shadow to fall across good priests.
DeleteBut you are wrong to say that there is no grace "but thorough their sacramental rituals". The church doesn't claim this, and any priest who does is simply wrong. The sacraments are essential, and are a fountain of grace. But grace is available through other means.
Gods "grace" was blowing freely for billions of years before there were priests of any kind.
DeletePriests can either be conduits or blockers of grace.
To the person at 14:53, how are the clergy 'necessary', and the sacraments 'essential' if, as you said, 'grace is available through other means'? If grace is indeed available through other means (I agree with you on this), then it
Deletesuggests that clergy aren't necessary and that sacramental rituals are far
from essential.
Canon Law disagrees with you on the availabilty of extra-sacramental grace, at least insofar as mortal sin is concerned: it stipulates that a person
must avail of sacramental grace (go to confession) before receiving the Eucharist. I disagree with this man-made law: all that is necessary for
reconciliation with God (and, therefore, the Church as universally understood) is repentance. This moment itself is sacramental (that is, a
sign of the sacred), even though it is expressed sponetaneously (and more naturally) than canonically standardized ritual.
Sacraments are outward expressions of inward spiritual realities.
DeleteIf properly celebrated I have found - both as a penitent and a minister - that this sacrament can be profoundly powerful.
I am not talking about quick visits to "warbrobes" - but of longer encounters - which have the capacity for healing.
This was my paticular experience in the Chapel of Reconciliation in Lourdes when the encounter might last from 30 minutes to 3 hours.
I believe I have seen "miracles" occur.
But can't such miracles occur outside canonically prescribed rituals? I am not knocking such ritual, but ritual should not be equated with what it is merely a visible sign of: the activity of the sacred.
DeleteI know of a man and wife who never spoke for some twenty years. All of
this time, they continued to live in the marital home and, if they had to
communicate with each other, would leave notes about the place.
One day, as they were about to pass wordlessly on the stairs, their cat got between them, causing both to stumble. One was about to fall, but was
caught by the other. The scene was so comical they both exploded in
laughter, and that laughter blew apart their granite-like hearts. Soon they were sobbing in each other's arms and kissing in both repentance and
forgiveness. That, to me, was a sacramental moment, devoid of ritual, but
sacramental nonetheless. A moment touched by God through a household cat. In short, a miracle of absolution and reconciliation.
Of course such miracles CAN and DO occur outside the rituals.
DeleteYour story shows just how they do.
Maybe we all need more cat-a-chesis :-)
Ha ha Well said!
DeletePat this might be a revelation to you but no one is perfect. All humans have their issues so leave people alone.
ReplyDeleteThat is no revelation to me. My errors and issues are all in the public arena showing me in all my imperfections.
DeleteThe question here is simple - hypocrisy.
Pat I would like to know in what context you were meeting with Ger in Temple Bar. There may be an issue of confidentiality which I perfectly understand.
ReplyDeleteIgg O Donovan
Dear Iggy, Thank you. Ger wanted to meet me because I was a liberal and he presumed that I would back his views on celibacy. There was no confession. No desire to speak to me in condidence.
DeleteSimply a meal and drinks between a liberal like me and a seminarian who admired my views.
It happened 8 years ago and I never felt the need to recount it until now when Ger publicly defended Maynooth and basically called the complainants liars. Pat.
Buckley, may you burn in Hell.
ReplyDeleteI would not wish that fate to you or anyone else.
DeleteAfter many years of being judged by men I have no fear of such.
Of course I am absolutely concerned about God's opinion / judgement of me.
When I meet him I will be asking for forgiveness and not justice.
Have some respect Anon14.24, that literally is the worst thing you could say to someone!
DeleteWhile one may disagree with Pat's views and the manner that he provides his information, he is doing it ultimately to help a severe problem (i.e. the cover-ups, denials, and ousting of whistleblowers connected to Maynooth) as this information isn't getting out into the public sphere, and hasn't been for years .
A culture of deceit has long been festering ..
for an example of this, listen to the (what it seems to be) side-stepping, contradictions, and half-truths from a member of the Maynooth faculty:
http://cdn.rasset.ie/manifest/audio/2016/0805/20160805_rteradio1-seanorourke-maynoothse_c21032434_21032440_261_/manifest.m3u8
it's time to put an end to it.
If you disagree with Pat, then it might be best that you start another means of getting the information out there in the manner you find most appropriate, but (rightly or wrongly) it seems that this blog has helped achieve some momentum in bringing about change.
For example, the meeting of the Bishops regarding the future of Maynooth will take place soon, to decide if it will close down, or if all the staff will be replaced.
Let's pray that God's will be done regarding the best outcome, and that in this Year of Mercy that we will have mercy shown to us all
To the person at 15:24, you are already burning, in hatred. And that is what hell principally is, a place of indescribable hatred.
Delete16 Aug 15.24 Did you know "the fires of hell" is an analogy. No oxygen in hell to the best of knowledge. Are you by any chance a firelighter...?
DeleteRead the Philadelphia Grand Jury Report into the diocese of Altoona-Johnstown and wondered - who are the Irish counterparts of these abuser priests and the bishops who covered for them?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bishop-accountability.org/reports/2016_03_01_Pennsylvania_Grand_Jury_Report_on_Diocese_of_Altoona_Johnstown.pdf
Ger may have told you he fancied women. Maybe he was telling you something in an acceptable way? I was in Maynooth with Ger and I had other impressions.
ReplyDeleteI can only say what he told me. I had no reason to doubt him and have always thought of him as a heterosexual man.
Deleteanonymous@ 15:42, Funny I always assumed the same. nice lad tho.
ReplyDeleteWhatever about all the goings-on in Maynooth one thing is certain......Deacon Michael Byrne is a total ride and yes, I definitely would!!! The 'Gorgeous' title is most definitely well merited. Whether he makes it in priesthood or not, that lad will never be short of admirers and he will be sexually active!!!
ReplyDeleteBut he will lose his external beauty like everyone else.
DeleteInner beauty is longer lasting, no?
his 'friend' is a nice cheeky chap. Shame they have removed pictures of each other from their social media.
DeleteI have to say that as a woman looking at some of the priestly specimens being presented on this blog - I would struggle to describe any of them as attractive. While I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and physical attributes are not the be all and end all - some of the women taking up with these guys have to be on desperation street! Ger; John Murray; Martin Kelly and Ciaran Dallat! The common denominator is not their good looks! What do women see in them?
ReplyDeleteNice to have the female perspective :-)
DeleteWhat characteristics do you look for in a man - truth, honesty, integrity?
Don't fall for a regular priest or bishop then. You would be disappointed.
I REMEMBER MARTIN KELLY AS A PRIEST ATTENDING TO A GROUP OF US SCHOOL GIRLS IN DRUMALA HOUSE IN LARNE. WE WERE ALL GIGGLY AND SHY BUT HAD STRICT INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE NUNS NOT TO CROSS OUR LEGS AND SHOW THE PRIEST OUR KNICKERS.HE WAS A NICE MAN AS I REMEMBER ALTHOUGH I SUSPECT HE DID LIKE THE SWOONING GIRLS WHO ALL FOUND HIM A LITTLE ATTRACTIVE
ReplyDeleteYes, I think Martin, who soon retires, might be a ladies man.
DeleteMartin Kelly recorded a series of tapes on sex education - I think it was the 80's or 90's. They were hilarious. Anyone remember them or got copies?
ReplyDeleteWHATS THE BEST DAY TO VISIT GAYNOOTH? BEST START IN THE TOILETS I SUPPOSE ....ANY GLORY HOLES IN THERE THAT NEED TO BE BLOCKED UP D.M. HAS ROADSTONE IN STAND BY TO FILL THE KIP IN MASS CONCRETE.
ReplyDeleteWHITE TEE SHIRT AND SKINNY JEANS MIGHT BE JUST TOO MUCH GOING AROUND THE CAMPUS BETTER BRING A STOLE ALSO - MAY HAVE TO LISTEN TO A FEW FAIRY STORIES - CONFESSIONS ARE SO BORING THESE DAYS.
PAX.
I think that Maynooth should be turned into Halls of Residence for the nearby university.
Delete50 men do not need all that space.
And if the lay students become "quarrelsome" and get involved in "goings on" - at least it will be an academic and not a church scandal.
Is Vama going to continue with the protests in Maynooth or have they been called off?
ReplyDeletePat, I think it's important to state that their is still a few good guys in maynooth. Good men, not perfect as only God and our lady are perfect, who live their lives in the best way they can.They love our lord and our lady admist all the struggles of daily life. How do you think they feel admist all this negative press. Its not good I can assure you.
ReplyDeleteEach one of us will have to stand before God and give an account of our lives. That is certainly not a day I look forward to. But some have more to worry about than others. It would be far better if these gay ACTIVE seminarians left because they can fool everyone else but they can't fool God. If they go on to be ordained then God only knows what damage they will do to the church. God knows who ye are, please for the sake of yer souls leave the seminary if ye are or have been active.
Yuu remind us of a VERY IMPORTANT FACT - the presence of good people in Maynooth.
DeleteThese need to speak out.
My Lord, are you suggesting that you are in some position of importance that would warrant Maynooth or the Bishops having any kind of correspondence with you?
ReplyDeleteNo, I have no position of importance. I am a mere servant.
DeleteBut I am already in communication with "important" people :-)
Add me on Grindr Pat
ReplyDeleteDeclan 'Queen' McGeehan
Sorrg don't have Grindr :-)
DeleteI have been reading this blog for the past few months and I can honestly say that it is one of the most entertaining and informative blogs on the web. It is great to compare it to dry, meaningless nonsense spouted on the site of those bold revolutionaries the ACP. It really shows them up for the cowardly and institutionalised "useful idiots" they are. More power to your elbow Pat!
ReplyDeleteEx-Pat
Thank you. I had a newspaper column for 15 years and I had to keep it snappy.
DeleteGreat doubt has siezed me! After reading this blog when I go up to receive communion I cant help but think....has he washed his hands and where have they been!
ReplyDeleteRasputin
Reading everything on this blog has really disheartened me. I still have great hope for the Church but the Irish Church has become so untrustworthy. I was a daily communicant but over time I've just drifted away from the church and stopped going to mass. I do sometimes miss it and wonder should I make the effort to go back but there's no joy in the Irish church just sorrow and depression.
ReplyDeleteI see people going to mass every morning and in a way I envy them. Envy that they have managed to hold onto some faith while mine eroded. It's not even the so called scandals that bother me, its the denial and the lies upon lies and deceit and pretending. I look at the Maynooth situation and all I can do is sigh. Gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, A-sexual - none of that would bother me in a priest. sure the lord made us all different. No, I'll just journey on in life and I hope one day i'll make my way home.
2:08 - this was one of the best contributions on this blog to date. I take my hat off to you but share your frustration and sorrow.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly there have been historical examples of countries where catholism was banned, the clergy were booted out, but the faith was kept alight by families. Eg. Japan. I view ireland in a similar fashion. Catholosism will survive....not because of the church establishment... but despite the church establishment. Many of us see these arrrogant selfish preening pansies as an irrelevence.
I know how to raise my kids without these godless charlatans
Rasputin
Good for you, on raising your kids. But 'arrogant and self-preening pansies'? Aren't you being more than a touch homophobic? Not all homosexuals in the priesthood are arrogant and self-preening, any more than all heterosexuals are. Would you refer to heterosexuals behaving in this way as 'arrogant and self-preening straights?
DeleteYes that came accross as a bit hp and i apologise but it is a measure of my frustration at the established church double standards.i have sat in armagh cathedral listening to Rory of Grindr fame deliver homophobic sermons. My children vehemently disagreed with him so yes i have brought them up well.
ReplyDeleteRasputin
Yes, you have brought your children up well for their disagreement with Coyle in one of his grossly hypocritical moments. They had the moral purity to recognise that Coyle's behaviour in the pulpit was far removed from Christ's command to love
DeleteIt was an absolute shame to see Ger in the media holding this position. He loves the media limelight, courting it frequently for any bit of a thing.
ReplyDeleteI can confirm that I remember him talking about having met you Bishop Pat. I believe it was arranged after he wrote to you making initial contact. Ger used to refer often to celibacy as a 'load of nonsense'. He was not celibate in Maynooth. He was in a relationship, albeit a dysfunctional one where he always stayed with the church while stringing a lay student along in quite a selfish way. It wasn't healthy for anybody involved.
Ger's input did little good and much damage. Perhaps now that he has shown he will lie he will get a pointy hat.