Tuesday, 13 September 2016

MAYNOOTH - THE JIGSAW PUZZLE

MAYNOOTH - THE JIGSAW PUZZLE




I posted a message to this blog the other night to explain that the Canon who sent the photographs to the Moderator of the Dublin Diocese is a very reputable man. He is not gay. He was not on Grindr. He was forwarded the pictures of Byrne's Grindr account by a third party on behalf of a mature lay student in NUIM. The mature student and the acquaintance of the Canon believed they were doing the right thing in trying to thwart the lies of Michael Byrne. Why the Canon forwarded them anaonomously to the moderator and not Archbishop Martin would seem to be clear - No priest in the Dublin Archdiocese trusts Archbishop Martin. I posted the above to this blog the other night but it wasn't published. I assume this will also go unpublished.

THOSE WHO ARE WEARY of the Maynooth / Gaynooth story must realise that it takes time, patience, perseverance and continuous effort to build a big jigsaw puzzle.

Maynooth Seminary is a secret world of intrigue, denial, jealousies, ambitions, desires, sexualities and power wars. Putting together the truth about such a place is a slow, piece by piece project.

Of course a striking picture of this dysfunctional seminary is already becoming apparent - but some bits are still missing.

On Sunday a Maynooth insider of some kind gave us another important piece of the jigsaw puzzle.

He told us that a senior Dublin priest - a Canon of the Archdiocese - sent - anonymously - Monsignor Paul Callan a picture or pictures of Deacon Byrne's GRINDR account.


MONSIGNOR PAUL CALLAN
Monsignor Callan was Archbishop Diarmuid Martin's private secretary and is now in charge of the whole Archdiocesan Curia as "Moderator". So he is a powerful man in the archdiocese.

So this raises a few questions in my mind:

1. Why did CANON XXXXXXX send the pictures of Deacon Byrne's Grindr account to Monsignor Callan - obviously because he was concerned?

2. Why did the Canon send the pictures anonymously?

3. Why did the Canon not send the pictures directly to Diarmuid Martin?

4. Did Monsignor Callan receive the pictures?

5. If he did did he give them to Diarmuid Martin?



6. If he did not give them to Diarmuid Martin - why not?

7. What did Diarmuid Martin think of the pictures?

8. Did Diarmuid Martin confront Deacon Byrne with the pictures?




9. What did Deacon Byrne say about the pictures?

10. With the pictures in hand why did Diarmuid Martin send the Deacon to Rome?

STRANGE GOINGS ON.

The more I look at the whole Maynooth Saga the more concerns I have about Diramuid Martin!

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ATHY GAY CHOIR LEADERS GET RAPTUROUS WELCOME BACK:

Jacinta and Geraldine - the two  gay, legally married choir leaders received a rapturous WELCOME BACK at the Vigil Mass in Athy on Saturday night. Here is the video:



But not everyone was happy with the event. The Church Militant group in the USA led by ex gay man ( whatever that means) Michael Voris are in opposition.
IRISH LESBIANS RETURN, GIVEN STANDING OVATION AT MASS
Shunned parishioner Anthony Murphy speaks with Church Militant
ATHY, Ireland (ChurchMilitant.com) - A lesbian couple has returned to their leadership roles in their Catholic parish in the diocese of Dublin, Ireland, even applauded from the pews, while the faithful Catholic parishioner who raised concerns about the scandal of their same-sex "marriage" continues to be shunned. 
Anthony Murphy, editor of The Catholic Voice Ireland, spoke with Church Militant and offered his reaction. Murphy was the one who had initially expressed concerns about the lifestyle of Jacinta O'Donnell and Geraldine Flanagan, a "married" same-sex couple at St. Michael's Church in Athy, and as a result, they stepped down from their roles as choir directors. The lesbian couple had previously resigned from their positions with the Lay Dominicans of Ireland. Flanagan was president of the national group, while O'Donnell was president of the Athy chapter.
When they went on Irish radio to complain about Murphy, he became the target of death threats from the Irish Republican Army. "I have been threatened by members of the local Sinn Fein IRA Party not to go into my local town unless I have a 'death wish,'" Murphy had told Church Militant.
He received no support from local clergy, his parish priest, Canon Frank McEvoy, even going so far as to call Murphy "homophobic." And Ireland's national police have told Murphy "not to attend Sunday Mass" out of concerns over his safety.
Saturday, a vigil Mass at Murphy's parish was packed as the lesbian "married" couple returned to Mass, re-assuming their roles as choir directors. Murphy told Church Militant, "The lady who filmed it never attends Mass but she was there to applaud them along with a large LGBT contingent." 
The Mass was concelebrated by five priests. 

Murphy told Church Militant that the women received Holy Communion in front of the whole church. "The priest takes Communion to the two women and they receive in a very public way in front of the whole congregation," he explained. "It is a public sacrilege and a complete humiliation for Our Lord."

He continued,

The recent homosexual scandal at the seminary in Maynooth and what is happening in Athy are symptomatic of the crisis facing the Church in Ireland. The Church is disintegrating before our eyes and not only do many of our bishops refuse to act but some even appear to want to help the disintegration. It is very clear to me that this is time for the faithful lay people to rise up and say: NOT IN OUR NAME. If our bishops are too timid to fight for Christ then we must.


We asked Murphy to comment on the death threats. "At the moment things have calmed down because the women are back in the church," he said. "I am sure there will be more threats, which is why I also intend to make sure the police here do the right thing and prosecute those who have been inciting hate against me and my family."


PAT SAYS:

I am with Jacinta and Geraldine on this one. They have been married in the eyes of the State only - and have not sought any affirmation of their relationship from anyone in the Church. 

For all we know they may be living simply as "sister and sister" or companions and are therefore not doing anything wrong in the eyes of the Church. 

They could be partners like Saint Francis and Saint Clare?

I am amazed though that someone told Anthony Murphy to stay away from Mass for his own safety!

It is Canon McEvoy's responsibility to see that all parishioners are safe at Mass.

Mr Murphy also has the right to object and complain - even if we do not all agree with his point of view.

"I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOUR VIEWS BUT I WILL DIE FOR YOUR RIGHT TO EXPRESS THEM".

Mr Murphy has the right to hold and express traditional Catholic views. If he or anyone else take those too far then it is a matter for the Garda and not for Sinn Fein or threats.

As somebody who has been the victim of censorship and attempted censorship - even recently on this blog - I do not like censorship. 

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BISHOP EDWARD DALY;

Bishop Edward Daly of Derry got a new diocese given to him on Saturday by retired SDLP leader John Hume.

We've always known in the North that the SDLP is the political wing of the Catholic Church but this is the first episcopal appointment the SDLP has ever made.

On Saturday last John Hume appointed the recently deceased Bishop Edward Daly as the Bishop of Derry and Rahpoe - a diocese "Ned" never had.



Apparently it was all a terrible mistake at the memorial artist's workshop !

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THOUGHT FOR TODAY:


MARTIN NIEMOLLER (1894 - 1984)




First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— 
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
(Martin Niemoller)
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TODAY'S POEM:





Trees - Joyce Kilmer

I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.
A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;
A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;
Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.
Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.

TODAY'S PIC:

GERMAN BISHOPS SALUTE HITLER




114 comments:

  1. Pat, I have always doubted Diarmuid Martin as to his sincerity and genuineness in rooting out abuse in the Irish Church. I have said before and I more firmly believe now that he will take whatever action is necessary just to buttress his own reputation with the Irish media. I am now of the firm opinion that DM and all the other bishops could not give two hoots about vocations or their proper, responsible formation. The majority of Irish clergy are in a moral morass - that much is sure. The good laity of this country along with the enclosed orders are keeping the Church here from collapsing.

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    1. Why do you think Diarmuid Martin is like this?

      Does he not care?

      Is he compromised in some way?

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  2. DM wants the red hat. Finish his next 3 yrs and get a cozy position in the Vatican. His priests dont like or want him. He does not want to be in Dublin. I firmly believe that he is compromised especially sending heorgeous off to Rome. I believe that a lot of the Bishops are compromised.

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    1. It will be very interesting to see if he ordains Georgeous a priest in Dublin's Pro Cathedral in 9 months time with a full fanfare?

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  3. Pat, I don't understand how some priests can do and say what they like and go uncensored by their bishops. Last year for instance there was a number of priests such as Martin Dolan (Dublin), Padraig Standun (Tuam), Tim Hazelwood (Cloyne)openly voicing their support for same sex marriage. They even used the pulpit to voice their support. How can you be a Catholic priest and go flagrantly against Church teaching, just voicing your own opinion even if it goes against the institution? You can't use a forum such as the pulpit to voice opinions contrary to Church teaching. And yet the bishops just seem to leave them get away with it.

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    1. I think that we have seen that the Irish Bishops have no backbone at all - and they probably want to keep their heads well down?

      I know in the past that if priests went against Church teaching - especially from the pulpit - they would have bishops come down upon them like a ton of bricks.

      I don't think that I, when I was in a parish and preaching, ever preached anything against Church teaching.

      You are right. It seems to be a contradiction.

      And the bishops seem cowardly or uninterested.

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    2. Total hypocrisy. I think they are more weary of censoring those who are well positioned and who know the state secrets and who will fight them back. Instead the cowardly bishops will vent their spleen on timid and harmless clerics.

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  4. Bishop Buckley,
    I would appreciate your comments on the posts of yesterday - 12 September 21.39 and concluding this morning at 9.50.
    My friend, Pip, asked a very simple question - looking for an explanation of Rasputiin clearly insane statement.
    However, my main concern is - who approves comments for acceptance - since in this case he seems to have no problem with bestiality -
    Armagh Sam - friend is Pip.

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    1. Could we first of all Rasputin if he approves of bestiality?

      I would be amazed if he did.

      Rasputin?

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    2. Pat, I think Pip and Rasputin are hilarious. They definitely add to the gaiety of the nation and cheered up my morning ��

      Aod

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    3. Sam - you and your friend Pip need to take a f**king wee chill pill. Now piss off and play with yer budgies LOL

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    4. Bishop,
      Nowhere did Pip state that Rasputin approved of bestiality?
      What he did ask was the person who approved the inclusion of the 23.45 comment approving his (23.45' s - for absolute clarity) recommendation of bestiality?
      Was it you who cleared this?
      And Rasputin still has not answered Pip's question,
      Pip & Sam fan

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  5. There are two distinct issues here, Bishop-
    A) The lack of response to the very valid questions placed by Pip. Rasputin claims to have worked with '.... Dozens of priests, bishops and Cardinals .... Only two were straight??????!'
    B) Who is it who approves comments for inclusion! The 23.45 comment seems to recommends bestiality - who permitted that for clearance?
    I hope this clarifies the issue!!!!!'

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    1. Ah jaysus....... Get a life ya feckin eejit

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    2. 12.50 & 12.40
      Must be strange critters!
      Like Rasputin & 23.45 I think that drastic brain surgery is most urgently
      required for all of you!
      I do wonder is there a surgeon competent to do the job! How, after all, do you fix up people who seem to have solid rock between the ears??!?
      Why does not Rasputin justify his ludicrous statement?
      And who does approve for publication the weird recommendation of 23.45?
      Is it Bishop Buckley or some mentally underprivileged minion?
      More power to you Pip and Sam - you have plenty of support,

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    3. Pip, you are in much better company with your budgies and your dog. I am sure that they are infinitely more intelligent than the above '..., solid rock between the ears fellas!
      No 1 Pip & Sam Fan

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  6. Just a comment on the picture of the Bishop Daly memorial. Sad but glad to see the great Ivan Cooper there in the wheel chair. He took great risks in the late 60s as a Protestant by helping to found the civil rights movement and was one of the founders of the SDLP. A sometimes overlooked hero in my opinion.

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  7. 12. 50 behave
    FACT...2 women can't physically have sexual intercourse
    The Anthony Murphys should leave them be, marriage is legal there...tuff

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  8. This blog is becoming repetitive and dare I say boring?? We need more juicy gossip about Down and Connor especially the rural parishes thanks

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  9. Murphy is entitled to his views and should not be subjected to threats The couple receiving communion does not constitute sacrralige and canon law does not permit communion to be refused at the rails. I am attending a mass to honour mother Teresa in the near future. I will not receive Communion not because I believe it is the right thing to do but out of respect for my own parish and in the spirit of ecumanism

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    1. What does cannon law permit? Communion with the Church is dependent on actual accepting Church teaching aka the teaching of Jesus Christ, and not the long haired hippy people make Him out to be. What would Jesus do, His Father's will.

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  10. I recall me and my brother (who attended an all boys school) rolling our eyes and sniggering at our sister (who attended an all girls school) gossiping for hours on the phone with her friends about other girls at her school (ah, how this all takes me back). Gossip wasn't a 'boy thing' at all. When I got my first job, I noticed that the two chaps who kept their hankies in their cuffs and dressed so outlandishly joined the girls at coffee to gossip with them. Perhaps the Bishops could open a 'men only' seminary and one for the 'hankie chaps'. At least they would know where all the gossip originated.

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  11. I have already attempted to post on this article but no success.

    Homosexual unions, legal or otherwise do prevent someone from receiving Communion. Dare I say, Holy Communion. That is the whole point of Communion with God. In Union with His Will and His Love. Not my love, or my understanding of His love. His love. So the two ladies receiving Holy Communion is a joke and a sacrilege. If they dont accept the teaching of Christ, tough.

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    1. I thought that the only thing preventing someone from received Holy Communion was Mortal Sin?

      Having a legal arrangement that helps you with mortgage, tax, next of kinship etc is hardly a mortal sin?

      Only two people in such a union KNOW if they commit Mortal Sin surely?

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    2. Very well explained Pat. As Pope Francis said "If they are seeking God who am I to judge"
      AOD

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    3. And what dear Bishop is mortal sin? Grave matter, full knowledge and full consent. However, most people will not fall into that category. But, homosexual unions are definitely not in line with the teaching of Christ. Im sure your legal/economic argument has a value, but so did that argument when Christ dealt with the whole financial arrangements that some jews had, corban or something. Perhaps to be more succinct. Sexual immortality is a sin. Its not the only sin, but it is a sin. Homosexual unions bring another dimension to the whole debate.

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    4. @aod. Seriously, quoting a deluded pontiff? Who am i to judge. God judges. Do you think He rewrote the 10 Commandments or something? I do worry about the idiocy of the human race.

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    5. Thank you 16:26 for accepting my "possibilities".

      From my 40 years of counselling and confessions there are many relationship where sex disappears or does not exist at all in relationships.

      There was a time that this drove men to Dublin to the Red Light Monto district of Dublin.

      It now seems that those men would be better off heading to seminaries, parochial houses or monasteries :-)

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  12. Was this Canon who sent the anonymous material on Sailor boy, also a Grindr user? The whole business becomes more sordid by the day.

    Paul Callan is a pet mouse. Diarmuid Martin made him a monsignor at a ridiculously young age. He is wasting his priesthood serving Diarmuid Martin's massive ego. It is sad to watch a priest wasting his life as a petit fonctionnaire in AB House but maybe it suits him just fine?

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    1. I posted a message to this blog the other night to explain that the Canon who sent the photographs to the Moderator of the Dublin Diocese is a very reputable man. He is not gay. He was not on Grindr. He was forwarded the pictures of Byrne's Grindr account by a third party on behalf of a mature lay student in NUIM. The mature student and the acquaintance of the Canon believed they were doing the right thing in trying to thwart the lies of Michael Byrne. Why the Canon forwarded them anaonomously to the moderator and not Archbishop Martin would seem to be clear - No priest in the Dublin Archdiocese trusts Archbishop Martin. I posted the above to this blog the other night but it wasn't published. I assume this will also go unpublished.

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    2. I decided that your comment was too important to be just a comment and kept it for today as a Blog piece.

      I am more than happy to publish your comment which I full believe.

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  13. I agree that Murphy should be able to stand up and be an advocate for the Church Institution if he wants to but really???? This is why the Catholic Church will ultimately fail to win over a new generation. My children question me all the time about what is right to believe - that we love everyone regardless of creed, colour and sexual orientation as we should wish to be loved (and not judged) ourselves or what the Church and Bible say. Luckily we have a priest who allows a gay couple (unmarried but cohabitating although maybe as brother and brother but I couldn't care less anyway) to participate fully in church life and, as a result, so do all his other parishioners. If he didn't I wouldn't go to his church. And I think a lot of other pews would empty too. Anon 13.06 I love your comment - made me laugh at its simple and perfect accuracy!

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    1. What does God have to say on the matter? Yeah we can blather on about love and compassion inclusiveness, but what about being faithful to God?

      The choice is simple. You live according to your faith, based on Christ, or not. Faith in Christ is not accepting sexual immortality wholesale simply because the world has gone to shit.

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    2. I understand what you are saying completely and I am finding myself in a funny position sitting on the fence. On the one hand I can't believe that God represents the opposite of your second sentence. For me it is about 'love thy neighbour'. I do not agree with sexual immorality but this is a committed couple in love who just happen to both be women. I'm not sure they are doing anything wrong are they?

      For arguments sake what if YOU had been born gay? What would you do. Remain celibate? I'm not being antagonistic - I'm genuinely interested in how you would reconcile your faith and your sexuality. I'm not sure how I would tackle that - thinking God 'disapproved' of me.

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    3. Again, purely subjective and emotional arguments are a danger. It is not a question whether God approves or disapproves, its simply accepting His love or not accepting it. God doesn't disown us. Its the other way round. Based on your logic, a paedophiles love/life choice is acceptable, as they would argue they were born that way.

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  14. I love the tree poem. Beautiful.

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  15. Oh and I meant to say I know that actual tree in the picture. My children have played in its branches...

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  16. any more news about Clive?

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    1. Not yet!

      After his initial hissy fit of yesterday I'm sure he concluded - or was advised - that silence is golden.

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  17. 'German bishops salute Hitler' contrast Protestant martyr Martin Niemoller! Come on, a bit of honesty please. Most, by far of the clergy martyred by the NAZI's were Catholic priests and many Lutheran clergymen joined the German National (NAZI supporting) Church, no Catholic priests did. There are plenty of shots of Lutheran clergy giving the Hitler salute. Of course, you would have acted bravely and gone to the camps.

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  18. Pat could write a best seller about maynooth and I suspect he may very well

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  19. I posted a message to this blog the other night to explain that the Canon who sent the photographs to the Moderator of the Dublin Diocese is a very reputable man. He is not gay. He was not on Grindr. He was forwarded the pictures of Byrne's Grindr account by a third party on behalf of a mature lay student in NUIM. The mature student and the acquaintance of the Canon believed they were doing the right thing in trying to thwart the lies of Michael Byrne. Why the Canon forwarded them anaonomously to the moderator and not Archbishop Martin would seem to be clear - No priest in the Dublin Archdiocese trusts Archbishop Martin. I posted the above to this blog the other night but it wasn't published. I assume this will also go unpublished.

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    1. I decided that your comment was too important to be just a comment and kept it for today as a Blog piece.

      I am more than happy to publish your comment which I full believe.

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    2. Presumably the Canon has a copy? It is impossible to understand how Byrne can continue if the photographs can be verified. If Byrne is in these photographs - and DM allows him to continue - then something is very seriously amiss.

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    3. Does that Canon have a copy?

      Can we see it please?

      bishoppatbuckley@hotmail.com

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    4. If the Canon in Dublin has this type of information on the deacon, then, what a mature and responsible person does, is arrange a meeting with the deacon and the Archbishop and present the evidence.

      This business of anonymous and surreptitious passing on of important information is not how MATURE AND RESPONSIBLE men behave!

      And if the archbishop of Dublin ignores - refuses to heed - reliable evidence, that a transitional deacon of his diocese has a presence on Grindr, then you tell +DM that you are going to the Nuncio, or the CDF, or the Irish Independent, or the bloody Daily Star!!! Simple!!

      Protect the Church, Canon and grow a pair of balls!

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  20. I strongly advise that people read Whatever Happened to sin by Sean Fagan. The talk about mortal sin is frankly disturbing for it implies an act can cut you off God. Fagan recognises that full knowledge that you are sinning is impossible for we don't really know 100% that God exists or that Christianity is true. Also, mortal sin would need to be a long process of rejecting God and not an act. Progressive Catholicism is right that the traditional teaching of mortal sin is abusive and judgemental and ridiculous. Adultery and murder are never mortal sins but they could be signs that one has cut love and wants that cutting off to be permanent.

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    1. So "progressive theology " would regard the words of jesus in the gospels on sin judgement and the real risk of losing our souls as no longer relevant? Well silly old me not having all those flings I could have. And why didn't I kill a few of those people who drove me mad in my younger days? After all these are never mortal sins!!! No wonder the church is collapsing if this sludge is being presented as catholic theology.

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    2. You didn't kill those people because you had love in your heart (as well as, presumably, a healthy fear of judicial punishment).

      You completely missed the other commentor's very good point.

      You might see better if you used your head more often than your heart.

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  21. Pat, far be it from me to correct you, but that is not a picture of the German Bishops. No such thing ever happened in Germany, where the Hierarchy was united in opposition to Hitler and paid a terrible price. The picture is from Croatia where the the pro Nazi leader was a catholic priest.

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    1. Google Images say it was taken in Berlin?

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    2. Berlin 1933 to be exact. But I see only one bishop and no Hitler. We recently saw footage of the English princesses practicing the "Heil Hitler" greeting with their mother on the lawn at Balmoral. In 1933 even the cleverest people hadn't a clue where things were going and how it would all end.

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  22. What a wonderful and loving reception Geraldine and Jacinta got. I'm delighted!

    I've just returned from a cross-denominational prayer meeting, where this matter was aired. Love may judge, but it never shuns. It cannot shun for, by nature, it is always inclusive. In the end we each can exclude himself from God's embrace, but his arms are never folded against us. That's a lesson Anthony Murphy will not learn. And I see he has gone to that High Priest of Pharasaism, Michael Voris, the so-called 'ex-gay'. As you said, Bishop Pat: 'Whatever that means.'

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    1. Love never shuns? Are you for real? Answer this simple question. Are homosexual acts a sin? Not the people, the acts.

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    2. Same sex attraction and acting out on said attraction in a sexual manner. Intercourse, intimacy e.g. kissing, stimulation etc. Is that enough information for you. Are homosexual acts a sin?

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    3. This is YOUR view of homosexual acts, but it is not the cathecetical view. The latter alludes to sexual acts.

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    4. Ok what is a cathecetical view?

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    5. If fact give the actual section from the catechchism that defines the act please.

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    6. You know precisely, 06:49, the section in question. And you know, too, that same-sex intercourse is referenced by the euphemism 'homosexual acts'. Don't waste my time with straw-man argument.

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    7. Are you capable if answering simple questions? Are homosexual acts a sin? Simple enough for your straw-man intellect?

      As a side note, reference the catechchism instead of making up quasi spiritual bullshit that has no basis in scriptute or tradition.

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    8. 'Simple' is the operative word in relation to some of the questions I've been asked on this blog.

      If you are a regular follower of Bishop Pats blogs, then you'll know that I have already answered your question on so-called 'homosexual acts'. Scroll back a few blogs to read it.

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    9. Again, avoiding the question I have asked. I have no interest in scrolling back through this blog. Since you are incapable of answering the question i can only assume you have no issue with homosexual acts, activity, lifestyle and so on. Ergo you have an issue with the teaching of Jesus Christ.

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    10. No, I haven't avoided the question, but you have avoided the answer.

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    11. Seriously, answer the question if you can. Are homosexual acts a sin?

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    12. Some tine ago someone asked Magna Carta if he was God - God, being God could use the Internet if he so wished.
      Magna Carta did not entirely deny it - so all you bloggers who question him - please be careful!!!!

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    13. So your saying he is a gimp?

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    14. Not sure 14.53 what a 'gimp' is!
      I believe that if he is not God he thinks he is!
      If he is God and if Donald Trump becomes President - and Teresa May morphs into another Maggie Thatcher as seems probable - will Magna Carta save the world or pull out all the plugs
      Dear MC save us, our children and the whole world. You alone can do it Please, please save us, divine MC.

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    15. If he is not a gimp, then quite possibly he is a troll with an inflated sense of self. I am not sure yet. However he could be both, a troll who happens to be a gimp. The possibilities are endless. Magna gimp

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    16. 16:20, your impassioned petition has been heard, but may not necessarily be answered as you wish

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    17. I am many things, 16:20, but you cannot yet bear the weight of such knowledge.

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  23. Is that not a tad judgemental? After all is anthony Murphy not simply outling the official catholic discipline surrounding the reception of the eucharist? The events in Kildare would have been unimaginable to catholics even a decade or two ago.but then previous generations were all probably guilty of the unforgivable sin of "judgementalism" too I suppose.

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    1. 'The official catholic (sic) discipline...'? Official? You meant, of course, the teaching of Catholic bishops. I don 't mean to be rude, but don't you know that Catholic bishops are NOT the Church?

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    2. Which chapter of lumen genium are you referring to? I am well aware of the fact the Bishops are not the church but they in communion with Peter are it's teaching authority. Which authority are you referring to?

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    4. That should be lumen gentium. My Latin is a little rusty

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    5. In communion with Peter? They should, and must, be in communion with CHRIST. Peter is not Christ.

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    6. Stop being silly MC. Communion with Peter presupposes communion with Christ. Christ placed Peter at the head of the college of apostles. Thou art Peter..... There's no getting around that.

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    7. MC
      See today 01.01 - and do as 01.39 says - stop being silly!!
      God help us if this is Rasputin's new CEREBRAL!!!!

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    8. 'Silly'? Is this your best response. My eight-year-old nephew could muster a more articulate answer.

      'Peter' has never been fully in communion with Christ, because his nature is morally fallen, not divine. This ontological discrepancy and inability is evidenced throughout Catholic Church history. If you were even remotely familiar with this history, you would not have posted such a superfluous comment.

      Even today 'Peter' remains out step with Christ since his official (catechetical) teaching continues to approve morally recourse to capital punishment. Jesus was clear on the treatment of enemies: they are to be loved. Putting someone to death against his will is not an act of love.

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    9. Despite your usual attempts at pedantics, your comment reveals the poverty of your theology. Is Peter not saved? Do you seriously think that, in order to have communion with Christ, we must possess a Divine Nature like His? Stop being idiotic and learn to cultivate the virtue of humility.

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    10. 23:15, so Jesus would approve the death penalty, as 'Peter' has? And Jesus approved the Crusades and Inquisition, as 'Peter' did?

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  24. Congratulations Pat.
    The blog has upped its game to a more cerebal level. Way beyond anything the catholic bishops are capable of.

    Rasputin

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    1. Cerebral????
      Rasputin -
      You and your buddies seem to have - as noted above - solid rock between the ears.
      Pip & Sam fan club.

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  25. Is Msgr Callan any relation of Fr Austin Purcell of Fr Ted fame? They look quite alike. Ted described Purcell as being the most boring priest in the world.

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    1. Gentlemen, Ladies,
      Please - at your peril - do not overlook the fact that Magna Carta does seem quite convinced that he is God! He might well be. God could, if he so chose - send a message over the internet!
      Do not dare, citizens, forget that God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and above all Omnicient!
      You cannot argue with such an intellect!
      Repent of your arrogance, your semantics (have I spelt that properly) your obfuscation and arrogance an fear Him who can cast you int the deepest depths of Hell!
      Repent sincerely, dedicate the rest of your life to severe penance and do, please, resolve never to offend Him again!

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    2. Pardon me - should be omniscient!!'

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    3. 20:05, you omitted one of my most important attributes: merciful. That was so remiss that I could my merciful nature.

      Tread more carefully in future.

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  26. I am delighted to hear that the Church has had it wrong for millennia about sexual morality. The gospel according to John Lennon has taken over. I assume that Saint Paul was in error when he said "... neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexuals nor sodomites ... will inherit the kingdom of God." What a relief. Let's all get back to writing our own versions of the Catechism and forget all Jesus' references to hell. It's all so unpleasant
    EL

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    1. 00:50, Paul did not use the word 'homosexual'. This wasn't coined until the 19th century and was first used in a biblical translation in the 1940s

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    2. MC. Ever hear of a nice little town called sodom? Or perhaps a little part of scripture where Jesus talks about cutting off that which causes a person to sin?

      Your secularist understanding of scripture is hilarious. Did you you study pastoral theology? Sounds like it :)

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    3. MC what is St Paul saying here? Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

      Sounds like he is inferring homosexual acts no?

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    4. 12:37, no, I have never heard of the 'town' of Sodom, since biblically Sodom, and its infamous twin Gomorrah, are referred to as 'cities'.


      What is your point about these cities (presuming you have one)?

      And what is your point about self- mutilation? Do you have one?

      As for your disdain for pastoral theology, again what is your point?



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    5. 13:00, think again about Paul's list of those he believes will be excluded from Heaven. 'Drunkards'' this would include alcoholics. Yet we now know more about the pathology of addiction than Paul did, with his simplistic and unscientific ancient-world view of human behaviour. Alcoholism is an illness, for which no one is morally culpable, at least not to the extreme degree envisaged by Paul.

      When reading Paul, you must never forget that his teaching was of his time and culture, and not always transcendent of time and place.

      As for Paul's reference to male-on-male sex, it is a moot point that he was referring to sexual acts in loving homosexual unions. He may have been addressing male prostitution only.

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    6. Ok mc, since nuances are beyond you let me break it down piecemeal.
      Sodomy is clearly identified in the bible as being corrupt. Whether the word 'homosexual ' was coined today, yesterday or a million years ago is irrelevant, it highlights rather the pedantic nature of your incapacity to deal with logic and faith.
      Continuing, the scripture aforementioned with Christ illustrates that sin must be cut of from the spiritual life, again there is a nuance that you are unable to observe, hence the mutilation comment, bravo.

      Finally, pastoral theology pretty much sums up your intellectual capacity. Theology-lite :) In other words a washed out liberal :)

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    7. 14:09, you're such a sore loser.

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    8. Oh mighty micky carta, the troll of trolls :)

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    9. 14:37, I'll wear that backhanded compliment with inordinate pride.

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    10. Utterly pointless arguing with someone so far up his own arse as MC. The guy is utterly obtuse. His towering intellect is obvious to no one except himself. Don't waste your batteries. Don't feed the trolls lol

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    11. Brothers and sisters,
      Please refer to 20.05 above. If you do not do so you might find yourself in peril of your eternal soul!
      Not well up in computers - put that in the wrong place.

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    12. 19:32, you're still smarting from previous engagements with me, aren't you?

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    13. Smarting? Really? LOL. You are typical of some ex-clerics/"spoilt-priests", MC: queenish, waspish, vitriolic, acid-tongued and, ultimately, dense. The joke is on you, Maggie Carter :-D

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    14. 23:20, such vitriol! You've betrayed yourself. I was right after all. Not being smug. Just saying;that's all.

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    15. Yeah, right. Cheerio :-)

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    16. Why am I not surprised that MC got the last word(s) and words worthy of any playground argument in a girls' school. (You are not 'as other men'? Am I right?)

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    17. 00.33
      Please go easy on Magna Carta - we do no know his circumstances - maybe someone stole his WEE BUN???
      And would you not into a vile mood if you were under the impression - he never denied it - that you were God and some low lifers - such as you and I had the temerity, the audacity to claim that your divine omniscience was not quite what you thought!
      Would love to send him some cream crackers - sounds like a necessary element for his diet!!!

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    18. As manly as you are, old girl.

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  27. 10:14, intellectually speaking, I've been taking candy from kids.

    If I had a conscience, I suppose I'd feel guilty. Then again, perhaps not...cos I'm havin' such fun!!!

    Wanna know the difference between us (apart from the obvious intellectual chasm)? I'm playing the fool.

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  28. Really sorry, Magna Carta,
    ....,, playing the fool .... And I thought you really were one and a five star fool at that! Please return to normal - there is a theory that if you get overly immersed in a role it may destroy your character and personality - very dangerous in your circumstances!

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  29. HI MC. Interesting "trying" to follow the pin ball comments back and forth between you and the ("various") anonimities above. Just wish they had the sense and courtesy to adopt a handle/pseudonym so we could know who is saying and/or replying to whom.
    But I fear you will have little success if debating with closed minds reared on and clinging to conservative totalitarian beliefs. As for the jibes about intellect: one of my old psychology lecturers spent some time explaining that those of lesser intellect simply have little concept of the reality of other superior intellects, and continually misunderstand their superiority as being better educated or informed.
    Anyway keep up the banter. It's a little like what I believe is an American expression: catching fish in a barrel.

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    1. That would be 'shooting fish in a barrel'.
      We are various because I haven't made all these comments.
      I am an old guy raised on the certainties that held for millennia and don't apologise for not 'getting with the programme' that was invented in the last century by predominately German protestants who stopped believing in the creed and wanted everyone else to see how clever they are. Lots of intellectuals within the Church fell for the 'only we intellectual, professional theologians can understand the truth' line. Forget them, look to Fatima where we were warned about them.
      EL

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    2. Hello, Willow.

      Thank you for your wise words and encouragement

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    3. EL, your self-defensive mindset is the Trojan Horse that that conquers (and thwarts) your search for truth. It's origin is fear and pride.

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