Thursday, 27 October 2016

MAYNOOTH AND GRINDR

MAYNOOTH AND GRINDR



MAYNOOTH is still featuring on the gay app GRINDR and after the fuss over the summer it seems to be business as usual again.


It seems that seminarians are using it again albeit in smaller numbers for the present and those that are using it are going to greater lengths to hide who they really are and cover their tracks. 

During the summer we saw that seminarians were using Grindr to arrange sex with each other, a small number of priests and lay people both inside and out Maynooth University.

It also seems that a small number of Maynooth University staff are Grindr men and through the app they arrange to meet each other, students, seminarians and people in the vicinity of Maynooth and wider afield in Dublin. 

The Blog has received very recent snapshots from Grindr and we will publish them today without saying who the individuals are.  

The snapshots make it clear that seminarians and others are not just using Grindr to MAKE FRIENDS as one seminarian claimed during the summer - but explicitly for no strings attached gay sex. 



I am sure that most readers will understand the meaning of looking for a F***

Others may be unaware of what "rimming" means. How can we say it politely? It means mouth to a** contact.



SEMINARIANS:

The Irish Catholic Bishops - with one curious exception  have come out in support of Maynooth, its staff and its seminarians.

Does that mean that it is okay for seminarians to be having gay sex with each other and with others?

As the bishops have not said otherwise - at least publicly - then it MUST be okay. 

So lads - CARRY IN GRINDING !!!



MAYNOOTH consists of two colleges - the NATIONAL SEMINARY and MAYNOOTH UNIVERSITY.

Some seminarians, if not all, attend classes in what we might call the secular university.

The reader who sent us the Grindr pics - which I have heavily edited - believes that seminarians should not be associating in the university with Grindr clients.

How do you feel about this?

The secular Maynooth University is part of the National University of Ireland and therefore it must be guided by the rules of that university and by Irish law - which means that discrimination cannot be tolerated.

People would say that staff and students of the university are entitled to have a private life as long as it does not impinge on the university.

So there can be nothing wrong with members of the university being gay, being actively gay or indeed using gay dating sites. It is their private right?

The only "complication" arises in the case of priests or seminarians.

Maybe the Catholic Church has to ask if Maynooth secular university is a "suitable place" for priests to be teaching or seminarians to be studying? 

Then, on the other hand, if priests or seminarians cannot behave in university what hope is there that they will behave later in dioceses and parishes?

It seems to me that there are issues raised here. 

Is sharing a campus with a secular university a suitable place for a seminary and seminarians?

And then, if you seclude seminarians away for 6 or 7 years will they be suitable to minister in churches and parishes that exist now in the secular world anyway?

Many a priest - straight or gay - has fallen in love with a parishioner or had a fling with them.

Or has the Church got it all wrong on celibacy and homosexuality in the first place?

In any event the Irish Catholic Bishops have not properly and deeply addressed all these issues.

They are content with applying plasters to symptoms rather than addressing the underlying "disease".

And it is precisely that approach that leads to scandals, victims, perpetrators, law suits. loss of faith, lost of trust etc.



Meanwhile Maynooth Grinds on and rocks on - until the next big scandal breaks. 

And that - is just around the corner !

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96 comments:

  1. Pity that picture had to be edited out lol. Might be a bit more difficult to identify than King Puck's picture!

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  2. You can't keep seminarians from the real world. However like committed Christians they are expected to show respect and act appropriately. Snagging around does not fit the bill.

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  3. Last year Maynooth had 10,761 students, 44% of whom were male. That's a lot of men on campus.

    Are you sure that the recent Grindr activity you report really involves seminarians (who make up a tiny proportion of the 4,700 male students on campus)?

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    1. From the material edited out.

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    2. Material edited out???
      Material edited out is not evidence!

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    3. Not evidence that you can see at this time you mean?

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    4. Pat, report this seminarian to his bishop. This is entirely unacceptable behaviour. It is intolerable. Ask his bishop does he believe a man like this should be in the seminary??? Astonishing!

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    5. But his bishop supports Maynooth and him !!!

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    6. Not if it's made public!!!!

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    7. Bishop, at 11.43.
      Evidence, to me is something I can see - NOW!!
      Otherwise, it is not evidence!

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    8. Even if 10% of the 4,700 males students on campus are gay, it won't take 60 or so gay seminarians and/or Maynooth staff to get through 470 guys. A couple of weeks probably.

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  4. And so I ask. Are the Holy See aware that seminarians and lay catholic students who are in fact being lectured to by people exhibiting immoral behaviour. it is OK for diocesan funds and tax payers money being used to fund seminarians/lay students in an environment that goes against everything the church believes. The pontifical university has special status from the Holy See. This relies on a trust that students are being taught to the highest level of moral and spiritual teaching. Earls is slightly immature and holding people to ransom. Looking for sex off students is hardly the actions of a mature person whose duty it is to uphold professional integrity.

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    1. But many Maynooth lecturers do not subscribe to Catholuc teaching and do not feel bound by it?

      They see their work as secular subjects in a secular university?

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    2. The holy see does not see the crap on its own doorstep so the see is full of holes See!

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    3. ah but Pat your forgetting that by default lecturers in Maynooth University are indirectly employed by the Pontifical University. Seminarians and Lay theology students study science, humanities, Languages, business, social sciences in MAYNOOTH UNIVERSITY.

      Seminarian X can be taught a subject by Lecturer Y whose actively homosexual and anti-church. Therefore FEES are paid to that particular department and so the Holy See is contributing and by default ENDORSING the lecturer.

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  5. So it's ok for clerical students to perform sex acts with whoever until they are ordained
    What happens to their needs once ordained
    Could you please ask dermot the holy man , pat, and get back to us
    Us who only have sex with one person until death do us part

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  6. Pretty open
    Mates
    Sex
    Dates
    You telling us , Pat, that this was posted by a seminarian?
    Or a lecturer who lectures seminarians on chastity?

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  7. Pat,
    The Maynooth situation is very problematic to say the least, but sadly not all that surprising.
    The whole issue of human sexuality vis-a-vis clergy, has simply been buried by the Church, and like an illness not addressed, it will most certainly get worse.
    This is what we are seeing before our eyes, and I predict sadly, that it is going to get a lot worse.

    Priest of D&C.

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    1. I disagree completely with this statement. The issues in Maynooth have not come about because the "issue of human sexuality vis-a-vis clergy, has simply been buried by the Church". Such a statement is a cop-out and nothing more. You may not agree with celibacy or the Church's teaching on sexuality, but that teaching is clear and consistent; the issue has not been "buried". Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, when he announced the removal of his seminarians from Maynooth, spoke of the promiscuous lifestyle promoted by such apps as Grindr - we can see this in the snapshots that Pat has posted today. As the poster at 13:46 states, this is not just about clerical students - promiscuity is not a normal expression of sexuality, and certainly not an expression of the Christian ideal of human sexuality. It is one thing for a seminarian (or any layperson) to struggle with chastity, but it is quite another thing to act out by engaging in degrading and promiscuous sexual acts.

      The problem as I see it is not with the Church's teachings on sexuality, but rather the fact that, for some reason, men who are psycho-sexually immature are being admitted to seminary by bishops and vocations directors. However, I do agree with you that there is an "illness" which is not being addressed - that "illness" is that we in the Church have largely failed to teach what the Church teaches, not only with regard to sexuality but also with regard to the cultivation of virtue and holiness. Sadly for many priests such concepts of virtue and holiness are treated almost like dirty words. These concepts are also conspicuously absent during seminary formation. Well, as we know, nature abhors a vacuum - if we do not call people to holiness and virtue, something else will take its place. This, I believe, is what is at the root of the moral degradation that we are witnessing in Maynooth.

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    2. Anon at 15:25 - spot on! Your analysis is spot on!

      This immoral behaviour would still be sinful if celibacy was abolished tomorrow.

      Seminarians on Grindr should not be seminarians. It is truly astonishing - given the scandals recently revealed - that some seminarians are still engaging in this appalling activity.

      Stupidity? Sex addiction? Arrogance? Looks like Pat has more work to do. The boil is not yet lanced.

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    3. Strongly agree 15:25. The idea of 'taking up the cross and following Him' was never very appealing to most but at least, in the past most understood what was being asked of them and knew that it would be tough. For anyone, it is a matter of 'no cross, no salvation' and for those consecrated to His service it is absolutely fundamental. 'Most people go to hell because no-one prayed for them', said Our Lady at Fatima, I'm praying, and ask all here to do the same.
      EL

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  8. Never mind the clergy
    Would you want your teenager prob 19 to have sex with different partners
    What about std and the whole morality of ' shagging' with many partners

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  9. Who cares? Bishops don't care. Why should we?

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  10. So if a clerical student aims to be celibate, takes the vow, but still continues to have sex
    Is his ordination real....if he telling a lie to God
    Will the new priest that comes into a parish be a priest or wll the whole scenario
    Be a sham ???

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  11. Let them at it!

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    1. The difficulty is, they're probably telling other people, for example, straight people and/or people in Africa not to use condoms yet they must be using them all the time.

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    2. @ 22:52

      Or they are using church funds to finance Pre-Exposure Prophylaxis (PrEP)therapy to prevent HIV infection.

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  12. Yes, the Church (institution) has it all wrong on celibacy. It does not define whether a man has a calling or not. It is not a sacrifice if it is forced upon them. It is an abuse of civil rights. Those that play the field would be that way whatever and are not suitable for the priesthood anyway but for those that have a strong moral code they are being denied the opportunity to form and enjoy loving, life giving relationships that sustain physical and mental health which is surely God's wish for all of us.

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  13. The only 'strange going on' here is that Pat Buckley c-a-r-e-s!

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  14. He can only cry 'Wolf!' so many times before he's unmasked as a liar.

    Diarmuid the Stare Doesn't Care!

    Grind for The Archdiocese!

    Grind the night away!

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  15. Can a seminarian be ordained a priest if he making false promise
    Is he an ordained priest ?

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    1. Good question. False pretence invalidates marriage. Does it invalidate holy orders?

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    2. Pat, you know better than that. The difference between the two sacraments is that marriage is mediated by the couple to each other. The church has always erred on the side of presuming ordinations to be valid, and the onus is usually on proving that the ordaining bishop lacked form, matter or intention.

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  16. I don't care whether bishops care or not...I don't
    believe that bishops are necessary for my salvation
    I don't like their garb either
    I just don't want sex mad men near my grandchildren
    leering at them
    B

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  17. +B Pat, what proof you offering your loyal readers?

    What you've displayed could easily be faked.

    Hot air so far. Sorry!

    It's a No Story.

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  18. Thank you Pat for noting my question
    Perhaps many of ordinations are not 'legal' in the eyes of our maker
    Dermot the holy man needs to get his act together and dismiss those who have no moral integrity
    Any priest can decide priesthood is not for him years after his ordination
    But I'm not talking about those here, I'm concerned about young men about to profess loyalty to Christ Being hypocritical

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  19. 15.44 seems you just want sensationalism...if Pat has the information it's good enough for me , let him do his job
    He hasn't been far wrong
    so far

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  20. I posed the question many blogs ago and it seems I'm right
    Gay men are much more prone to indiscriminate
    Sexual encounters than hetro men
    And I don't need a long list of what people get up to eg dogging

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    1. And you're still wrong. Obviously you will never be in a gay sauna and find how many of the men are married in their other life. You will also not be in the position of finding out how many apparently straight men will have sex with a man when they're feeling randy and can't get it with a woman. Obviously the thriving worldwide trade in prostitution exists for a reason. And it's not just men: I have read that 1 in 10 children were not fathered by the man they call father.
      Christian sexual ethics are against the current of most of society. The difference is that gays don't have do many cultural imperatives to appear faithful to one partner.

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    2. And you're still right. Promiscuous homosexual sex is the reason for the enormous rates of STD's among homosexual men in comparison to heterosexual men (in addition of course to the practices involved which are usually highly risky and often result in a breakdown of general health apart from STD's).

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    3. You still appear to be confusing issues. If heterosexual men are indeed less promiscuous, and that is far from clear, one needs to thank women for being the guardians of male morality. Because the only potential difference is that women are less likely to be promiscuous than men. Men, homosexual or heterosexual, are all exactly the same - they will generally take whatever opportunities present themselves.

      Moreover, it would appear that you take comments on this blog as evidence. I would say your grasp of the sexual habits of most 'red-blooded' heterosexual men is fairly limited. No offence.

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    4. Actually in Europe while the majority of transmissions of HIV are by gay sex, the majority of people who actually have HIV, both in Europe and world-wide, contracted it through heterosexual sex. It used to be thought that the explosion in HIV infection in sub-Saharan Africa was connected to the men not being circumcised. In Saharan Africa, where Islam predominates, so naturally does circumcision. In this research what was not controlled for was the larger number if brothels and sex workers in sub-Saharan Africa, where culturally homosexuality as we understand it in Europe is much less acceptable. The highest infections of HIV in the world (estimated up to 25% of population) correlate to a thriving heterosexual sex trade, not to homosexuality.

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    5. @21:11 'I would say that your grasp of the sexual habits of most 'red blooded' heterosexual men is fairly limited'. Well sorry to disappoint but I am that creature. I have been faithful to my wife, by the skin of my teeth a few times admittedly, for 46 years. I have been the object of resisted temptation on more than a few occasions but did what a husband is supposed to do. My best two friends from schooldays have been married for similar periods of time and, although I can't vouch for them, they are still happily married. Don't judge others by your own very low standards. I have also been subject to the occasional 'expression of interest' by homosexuals which I had no difficulty whatever declining.
      EL

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    6. Africa does skew the stats considerably but look at the US and European HIV rates and a significantly different pattern emerges.

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  21. As a lay woman could I ask you pat and any other clergy reading this what preparation or training were you given in seminary to live the very demanding commitment to remain celibate for your entire life in a very hyper sexualised world? Is there a course or a programme in celibate living?

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  22. I wonder how many Seminarians and young Priests have an STD or worse?

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    1. What about the old priests, they'll be hard at it as well. O'Brien frankly admitted he was at it as a priest, archbishop, and cardinal.

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  23. Pat, if you know the identity of these seminarians still using Grindr, you should confront them. They need to be out of Maynooth. They should not be allowed to proceed in the process of studying and discerning. If the bishop and "formation" men won't/can't do their job, you do it for them. Why they can't/ won't do their jobs though is beyond me!

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    1. Even when reported the bishops and the formation staff still support them.

      The only thing that challenges them is PUBLIC EXPOSURE.

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    2. In that case, Pat, publicly expose them! They are destroying the church and our faith. we do not want these grindr semenarians drooling over our sons and grandsons when they desend on us as priests!!

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  24. Then why are formators asking questions of students about their orientation
    Reading here I've gleaned that this is discussed

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    1. Celibacy is not discussed. Masturbation, erections, wet dreams, fantasies are discussed !!!

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    2. That is truly shocking. Surely if the church demands celibacy it should offer some training, clear direct advice, and if men can't honestly live it out generously and authentically, ask them to use their gifts as committed lay people.
      I am well aware of the debate around whether celibacy should be demanded at all. It has been rumbling along for 50 odd years and is realistically not going to change soon.
      Is it fair therefore to expect the heroic exercise of celibate chastity of our priests but to provide zero preparation?

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  25. Expect the formators
    get turned on by questioning young people
    No other reason , for me, seems normal

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  26. If this GrindR-er is a Sem and you somehow out his behavior, Diarmuddy will only flounce him to the fleshpots of Rome far away from the cold mists of Greynooth and our Smartie Sem will have gotten his wish to GrindRoma...

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  27. Dear Anon @ 15.25,
    I note you disagree with my earlier comment.
    The issue of Mandatory Celibacy for Catholic Clergy needs I believe an honest reevaluation, and the refusal to do so does I think represent a ' burying of the issue'.


    Priest of D&C.

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    1. Dear Priest of D&C,

      I take your point. As I said in my earlier response to you, you may not agree with the discipline of celibacy for clergy of the Latin Rite, and you have stated that you believe that it should be reevaluated. That's fine.

      However, we need to be clear that if celibacy needs to be reevaluated it is not because of what Pat has reported in his blog today. Celibacy does not need to be reevaluated because some seminarians are acting out sexually and using Grindr - as I stated in my earlier post, I believe the problem is much deeper, and that's what needs to be tackled. Even if celibacy were abolished, the behaviour of some of these seminarians would still be inappropriate. The use of Grindr and the promiscuity which it engenders is inappropriate in the single, celibate or married states. The problem of some seminarians acting out sexually is not the fault of celibacy, but of a deficient psycho-sexual development, and indeed, of bishops who admit men to seminary who do not display a level of emotional maturity which will enable them to live chastely.

      I'm not passing judgement on your personal motivations for stating that celibacy should be reevaluated, but it can be tempting for many to call for an end to compulsory celibacy when these scandals arise or when we see so few men entering seminary. However, the reality is that young men with a vocation to priesthood will embrace celibacy if they are given a good example from their bishop and their priests, from those who provide them with models of holiness and virtue (as I said in my previous post). There is a reason why Maynooth is practically empty and why many seminaries in the US are bursting to capacity - in both cases men are called to be celibate. The difference is that Maynooth does not encourage our young men strive for lives of holiness and virtue. I'm not saying that this is the only solution to Maynooth's problems, but it is essential if we are to have priests in the future who are faithful to their promise of celibacy and who can live it joyfully and wholesomely.

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  28. If Archbishop Diarmuid Martin has determined that donating your organs to Medical Science on GrindR is Holy appropriate and not at all an obstacle to Organation for the Archdiocese of Dublin then who are you to disagree?

    And if the soft penalty for being dumb enough to get caught is merely transfer to Rome...

    What's the fuss?

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  29. These young men may merely be blowing off some wild oats and that may not be any obstacle and they may turn out to be loyal servants of the diocese and the church in general and especially willing to keep all secrets in all circumstances.

    Perfect material to become Bishops in due course.

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  30. Just think, Pat, if you had donated your body to the Dublin Diocese when you returned from Wales you could now be living in an apartment in Smithfield with your male partner and just saying a few masses in the Pro-Cathedral to satisfy Archbishop's House and Martin's your Uncle...

    By the way, expect a phone call and an email this evening from Diarmuid to get first dibs on your GrindR discovery photograph.

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    1. Thank you.

      But I would not like that lifestyle.

      I need a lot of pastoral activity to keep me happy.

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  31. Nuala, my husband told his son
    Keep it in your trousers
    Which he did until he married
    Simple

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    1. As far as you know or he told you lol.

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    2. My I admire your parenting skills! I would really be suprised if any young person is still a virgin when they marry nowadays. I would be downright incredulous if the said virgin groom would also inform his parents of his intact status.

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  32. Just a few points:

    (1) "During the summer we saw that seminarians were using Grindr to arrange sex with each other". This seems highly improbable. Since they know each other, why on earth would they be using Grindr to arrange to meet each other (rather than whatsapp or text message or face to face contact)?

    (2) "The reader who sent us the Grindr pics - which I have heavily edited - believes that seminarians should not be associating in the university with Grindr clients." Given the alleged moral position of the reader, how exactly did the reader come into possession of these pictures? Moreover, why would a reader who thinks a seminarian should not be looking for casual sex, think that any other person should have it freely available? The moral positioning seems suspect.

    (3) You have suggested that the incriminating evidence is in your possession. But this would mean that you have seen suggestive pictures which include both face and body. Can you confirm that this is the case?

    (4) If you do not have the picture noted in 3 above, how do you know the identity of the persons sending these messages? Facial images can easily be taken from any number of internet sites, so unless it is a suggestive picture of both face and body, then anybody could set up a fake account and use a body picture of a random individual and a separate face picture taken from public sources.

    (5) Is it really likely that seminarians are using Grindr after all that happened? This would indicate not only moral issues, but a suspiciously high degree of stupidity.

    I am not at all convinced that this is genuine. It sounds to me much more likely that fake profiles have been established (easy enough to do I would have thought) by persons of suspect motives.

    The whole scandal was a disgrace. But we all need to be wary of contributing to the sin of scandal in the absence of solid evidence.

    TRS

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  33. Why isit that young men seem to be allowed to Sow wild oats
    But women are 'loose' if pregnancy occurs

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  34. So a bishop ordains a priest
    Doesn't matter if the one being ordained is a celebate man or even if he has no intention of keeping the vows...he is still ordained because the bishop performed the ritual.

    Good one that, totally amazed

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    1. There are impediments to ordination.

      Being ordained on the basis of a lie ???

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    2. While the celibacy promise may be unfree and so invalid, this does not of itself entail the invalidity of the ordination.

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  35. Maynooth and a large tranche of Irish priests are an absolute disgrace. I am leaving the "Irish" Catholic/Grindr Church for a Christian grouping where the preacher is a balanced Godly man.

    MAYNOOTH AND THE IRISH BISHOPS ARE DISGRACEFUL.

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    1. Be careful! Extra ecclesiam nulla salus! Don't endanger your immortal soul because of these morons.

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    2. MourneManMichael28 October 2016 at 00:50

      The "Extra ecclesiam nulla salus" quotation is entirely misplaced and innapropriate. Perhaps it's yet another example of the 'fire and brimstone, 'hell and damnation' mechanism favoured by some narrow minded righteous clerics, and others, to exert control.
      Even I, an atheist of 50+ years standing, am aware of how this often mis-quoted doctrine is understood following Vatican II and in the Catholic Church Catechism 1997, Sec 846-848. This makes clear, in summary, that salvation is indeed possible for those who seek God and to do his will as it is known to them through their conscience.
      Judging by the antics and failures of the present Roman Catholic church's supposed leaders, it's hard to understand why many continue to follow its edicts. I recall someone posting 'not to throw the baby out with the bathwater', and I am aware of the psychological and cultural imperatives of continuing belief, or at least an outward facade of belief. But I still remain puzzled.
      MMM

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    3. You arrogant person 22:13! Do you really think that there is no salvation for non-Catholics? Fool! Read St Paul's letter to the Romans some time you get a chance.

      I would be putting my soul in far more danger by staying in a rotten Irish Church which has been abandoned by the Spirit of God. Just to think of all the times I have gone to Confession in an effort to progress in the fruits of the Spirit and to have some sneering "charming liar" (to use Pope Francis' term) having a great laugh at quaint little me worrying about a "dated" concept such as sin when recounting the confessions he heard with his buddies on Grindr or the George or wherever!

      Maynooth is a vile vulgar cesspit and is now an international running joke.

      The bishops are blind Pharisees.

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  36. Boysadear ! Am I not the quare fella sitting here on my big chair reading about all this crap that the RC church is mired in - again. And of course it's probably only the tip of the iceberg. If the performances of any of the local born clergy from round these parts is anything to go by ( Micky Dallat, thon other Dallat boy and His Eminence, the Most Reverened Keith Patrick O' Brien) then all I can say is I'm glad I've seen through the lot of them!
    Anyway, time for another wee Black Bush.

    Dalriada Dick

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    1. MourneManMichael28 October 2016 at 20:32

      Dear DD,
      .....enjoy BB.
      ............I'll join the 'club',
      ......................as I head to pub.
      After Guiness three, or maybe four.
      A BB too, and then,... the door.

      As I wander home, my mind flows free.
      No 'soul to save' I think with glee.
      Just live my life, and do my best,
      to spread goodwill, therein's the test.
      Goodwill now, no heaven or hell,
      they don't exist, sure "ain't that swell?"
      Such wasted effort, Oh my gosh.
      I think I'll have, ..another Bush.

      [And may the Mighty Spirit of C2H5OH be with you!]
      MMM

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  37. 22.13. What a load of shite. Are you trying to tell us or do you for one moment believe that some of the greatest humanitarian figures in history have been barred from salvation because they weren't Catholics. Feck aff !

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  38. Dick you forgot the other great adornment of the Catholic hierarchy from up your neck of the woods. Cathal Brendan Daly. Was he not in the Brendan Smyth business causing obfuscation and delay and all sorts of prevarication ?

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  39. Did Midnight Caller Diarmuid mail or phone you yet, Patricio, to enquire about his photogenic wayward boys?

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  40. Deacon Dalriada Dick, stop winding! You wouldn't miss this Blog for a Black Bush.

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  41. Just a couple of years ago we had the 'Year of the Priest' and who was the model offered? St. John Vianney who owned a bed a table and a chair and nothing else and who lived of potatoes and little else. Miracles abounded around St. John and many eminent churchmen and laypeople consulted him. Was any priest, bishop listening to the message that the Church was attempting to send? Apparently not. His priesthood was all about SACRIFICE and he is your model.

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  42. Pat, as a gay Christian, not one of the self-hating and repressed types, I wouldn't even touch Grindr. I have in the past and found it uncomfortable, it is like its heterosexual equivalent primarily for sex and many of its members are very full on in that aspect. It is utter nonsense that seminarians would be on this looking for friendship, if that is what they want there are other apps/websites for friendship, but if a seminarian is on Grindr or Tinder, they are looking for one thing, as the image above shows. As I say, I am not a hypocrite, I have used Grindr, but had to delete my account as I felt it was too full on, having someone introduce themselves with: "Will you give me a bj" is not ok on any level. Sex is sacred and should be between a committed couple, whether they are homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual.
    Now I am personally against celibacy, it doesn't work in most cases and those that do remain celibate, in my experience, are heavily repressed and militantly anti-sex, whether that be preaching against sex as though it were a sin or refuse to be open to the idea that binaries are non existent and as such fight against equality as though those of a different sexuality or gender identities are demons straight from Hell.

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  43. Pat, dont be afraid to post a picture. It might be what of takes to clear the mess - or better yet arange a meeting to expose the seminarians still active. Although they probay have a range of forums to find each other.

    Even if we were to accept the concept of sowing wild oats - seminary isn't the place to do that. Mind you when I was there circa 10years ago there was little help with celibacy. Instead we were told by one priest who was there that we should go to pur bedrooms, strip naked, Stand before the mirror and get comfortable with our selves and realise that masterbation is natural. We all (except Meath seminarians) had had psychological assessments to get in. I wonder how a guy got past an interview for pyschological maturity but needed that advice??

    I also wonder why there was no spiritual evaluations - except for one diocese whose students who had a year of regular contact with their vocations director, exercises etc before entry. (Although that made little difference for their student who stayed in a room known as 'the brothel').

    The only single advice I got there on celibacy was from Fr Myles (RIP). He said, celibacy only prevents you from having sex with one woman - marriage would have prevented you from have sex with all the other women. A very rational approach by a very rational guy. But there was nobody to say that it is OK to feel 'fruity', we all do from time to time and we all struggle to be chaste.

    Incidently, for a variety of reasons in Maynooth and outside of Maynooth, if celibacy were abolished and clergy could marry wouldn't we have a very different type of candidate coming forward?

    CR

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  44. Why don't Meath seminarians have psychological testing? What's so special about them? That's one diocese with a lot of seminarians and young priests and most of them are gay. They even attract guys from other dioceses.......they have seminarians and young priests from Dublin, Clogher & Derry dioceses. What's the attraction in Meath??? Yeah, I wonder!!!

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    1. Psychological assessment is required by each bishop at their individual discretion. It is not required by the seminary. Only bishop smith can answer your question.

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  45. Our priest - having opened a new graveyard circa 15 years ago - never charged for burial plots.
    He has never taken a penny for officiatinng at a funeral - ever!
    Furthermore, he had a Parish Pastoral and a Financial committee.
    Every week he published the income of the Parish - envelopes etc.
    Every week he published the Financial Status of the Parish _ to the last penny. Any expenditure over £300 was noted in the bulletin - E.G. Epson printer - £380.
    Every year a parish financial statement was published - every penny accounted for and the books perfectly balanced - I can remember being amused one year when 18p was listed -,required on Holy Saturday night for removing the sacred oils from his hands.
    We were very happy with him for the many years he was with us - now, unfortunately retired and critically ill!
    How is it that these men are forgotten -'and very badly treated in their retirement??
    Armagh Sam


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    1. MourneManMichael28 October 2016 at 21:44

      Well said Sam.
      Nonwithstanding my disdain for much of the RC church's practices, particularly its hierarchy, I well recognise that there are indeed kind, spiritual, and generous clerics of goodwill among its flock.
      Regrettably though, as has been said previously, all too many of these saintly persons, (of which there all too few, ...at least publicly acknowledged) are being ground into the dust of disdain by the ignominious antics of their worldly colleagues.
      MMM

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  46. Armagh Sam...yes many holy men
    But the graveyard wasn't his it belonged to the parish
    His accounts should have been documented by the parishioners
    Why do people think a priest is good by doing all this type of stuff
    The priest is there to serve God through the people
    Not to run a tight ship
    He may not have charged for funerals, most don't, but people like to give money as an appreciation of visiting and praying with an ill relative

    Been

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    1. Mr. Been - 22.40
      You should have recognised that the emphasis on this blog related to matters financial - this was what I concentrated upon.
      However, I am at a loss as to how you can say - 'His accounts should have been documented by his parishioners?' I though that I had made it as lucid as possible that every financial detail was available IN PRINT to every parishioner!
      I did not mention the pastoral element because - as I have said - the emphasis was on financial matters - particularly on financial irregularities!
      The pastoral care given by this priest was remarkable!
      He was always available, he cared for the sick, the dying, and - it was said - knew every man, woman, child, cat, dog and doll in the Parish! He looked after them all - and very well.
      He did not run a 'tight ship' - he was more a crew member - the Parish Council and Parish Finance Committee were the Captain.
      Don't know where you have been, Mr. Been. I would suggest you get back on track - or at least do not make any further peculiar and unfounded judgements!
      Sam

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  47. How do mean he is badly treated in his illness, he can only avail of the health service like the rest of us
    We all await a hospital appointment
    Priests can avail of nursing homes just like we can, and pay whatever
    The gov says
    At least he won't have to sell his house to pay the fee, because he don't own a house

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    1. NB - I said - badly treated in his RETIREMENT - not in his illness!
      There is a difference -,a huge difference - and as to 23.01 - there are those apparently who do charge for plots in cemeteries which are 'owned' by parishioners!
      Sam

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  48. Sam, I suppose you gonna tell us he owned the grass the graveyard is in
    Graveyards are bought by parish funds
    Or in many cases are left in a will by some willing donated

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