Saturday, 8 October 2016

MAYNOOTH SECRET DOCUMENT UNCOVERED



RECENT MAYNOOTH SEMINARIAN SPEAKS OUT FOR FIRST TIME

DENIED SECRET DOCUMENT UNCOVERED !

Dear Bishop Pat,

With all the controversy related to Maynooth I believe the attached may help to explain why seminarians will not speak up. 

Also I believe that many former seminarians will have been too damaged to speak up, I know I was for a long time. 

For years I had no idea of who I was or what I was to do with my life. I had been disillusioned, the very belief system I had been formed in for over 20 years was exposed as a sham. It took a long time to realise that there is a clear distinction between the Catholicism presented in the church's teachings and the Catholicism that the Irish bishops present the people with.

For the record I do wish to state that I personally have nothing against gay seminarians or priests. What I have a difficulty with is a gay sub-culture which actively destroys heterosexual men as having no place in seminary. This is a culture that likes to spread rumours of affairs should a heterosexual man even speak to a female. 

And to some extent such attacks on heterosexual may still be the problem in Maynooth today; in fact I suspect that it is very much the case.

The complaints of the summer months were criticised by some corners as anti-homosexual. In truth I doubt that they were. 

They were quite simply complaints about people not living the expected celibate lifestyle, complaints about a difficult environment to live a celibate life in and complaints about how the church's systems of authority failed to live up to their expected responsibility. As with all things in life there will be some anger when legitimate expectations are not met and disillusionment ensues.  

Like I mentioned, attached is the reason why seminarians will not speak. Their future is entirely handed over - If they feel truly called to be priests they must opt to be slaves of the Seminary Council and slaves of the Bishops. 

If told to leave the seminarian does not even have a right to ask why, nor is an explanation warranted. In turn that reasonless rejection often does years worth of psychological damage to honest, forthright men who are told to go simply because they do not fit in with the established culture and practice of a gay-controlled seminary. 

SECRET DOCUMENT DENIED BY MAYNOOTH AND BISHOPS
TRANSCRIPT


1. "I, the undersigned, promise and pledge myself to observe diligently and to the best of my ability each and every Statute and Constitution of this College for as long as I remain in it and that I will do or say nothing intentionally by which the said Statutes and Constitutions would be undermined or to which other students would be led to their violation or contempt.

2. I also undertake to observe diligently and to the best of my ability the seminary rules laid down by the Seminary Council. In addition I acknowledge the right and ultimate authority of the Seminary Council and/or of the Bishop of my diocese at any stage to make decisions regarding my suitability to continue as a seminarian in the College. I undertake to accept and be fully bound by such decisions without further recourse and hereby RENOUNCE AND WAIVE any right of action by way of legal redress or otherwise and to INDEMNIFY and HOLD HARMLESS the Seminary Council and/or the Bishop against ALL DAMAGES, LOSSES OR COSTS ACCRUING by reason of any such claim, action or proceedings by or through me". 

In addition to my last I also want to observe that the Trustees of Maynooth publically stated that the attached do not exist. They do exist, and do so as instruments of control and oppression. The public should know the bishops lied.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXX

A former celibate seminarian. (I am no longer a seminarian).

PAT SAYS:

So, the document that Monsignor Connolly told RTE did not exist DOES !

The document that MAYNOOTH and the IRISH BISHOPS said did not exist DOES !


THE SEMINARIANS HAVE SIGNED UP TO:


RENOUNCING all their LEGAL RIGHTS !

RENOUNCING their CIVIL RIGHTS !

RENOUNCING their HUMAN RIGHTS !


If they are murdered in Maynooth neither Maynooth or the Irish Bishops are responsible legally !

If they are assaulted in Maynooth neither Maynooth or the Irish Bishops are responsible legally !

If they are raped in Maynooth neither Maynooth or the Irish Bishops are responsible legally !

If they are driven to suicide or breakdown Maynooth or the Irish Bishops are responsible legally !

MAYNOOTH and the IRISH BISHOPS are like Pontius Pilate when it comes to the seminarians.

So much for justice !

So much for caring !

So much for compassion !


---------------------------------------------------------------

157 comments:

  1. So much for justice!
    So much for Care!
    So much for Compassion!

    How very interesting Pat that you should end with these sentiments on your post today.

    ReplyDelete
  2. MourneManMichael8 October 2016 at 09:42

    Pat, for the exclusion of doubt could you re-direct us, or post to exactly when and where the bishops/Maynooth managers denied the existence of this document?
    I recall you referring to their denials some time back, but can't easily find it. So it would be good to have both their denials and the above seminarian's contribution side by side, as it were, so as to determine veracity and ensure their denials specifically refer to this document. Having them together would exclude any possibility of 'wiggle-room', 'weasel words' or the usual mealy mouthed excuses.
    Thanks.
    MMM

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. My blog of 17th August - Monsignor Connolly denying on RTE that a piece of paper is signed by seminarians.

      Delete
  3. It's strange, the document is signed by Dermot Farrell. Is he still on the staff?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. He left in 2007 to become pp of Dunboyne.

      Delete
  4. Stranger than fiction

    ReplyDelete
  5. Now Pat, don't get carried away into hyperbole!
    There is no way such a document would overturn the law of the country. Criminal acts remain so.
    While I think it is quite usual to expect a candidate for religious life to sign an agreement waiving payment for their work if they leave, the tone of that one is remarkably hysterical.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I have brought the church to both industrial tribunals and the high court.

      I can assure you signing such documents become quite a problem in court cases.

      Delete
  6. Below is the public statement issued by the Maynooth Trustees on the Bishops' website re the Confidentiality Agreement which must be signed by seminarians on entering Maynooth: "The Trustees are satisfied that seminarians are not asked to sign a confidentiality agreement." You can peruse the full text at the below link: http://www.catholicbishops.ie/2016/08/24/trustees-of-the-national-seminary-meet-in-saint-patricks-college-maynooth-2/ I signed this document myself as a former seminarian in Maynooth. Either the Bishops were told lies with regard to the document's existence or else they themselves are not telling the truth concerning same. I can also confirm in accord with the above former seminarian who provided this evidence that I knew heterosexual seminarians who were subjected to scurrilous and vituperative slander and calumny by other seminarians just because they were seen speaking to women. I am also of the firm opinion that a derogatory, defamatory and duplicitous.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thank you for that clarification. Is the last part of your comment missing?

      Delete
  7. Pat, it's a bit much you talking about compassion when you don't have any for the priests and seminarians who feature on your blog. Homophobia is rampant on here. You think as a man who is gay you would care for them in a more compassionate way. Just saying.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. You think I should support gay hypocrites, gay bullies and gay gangs attacking heterosexual seminarians?

      Gays can do no wrong?

      Delete
  8. This document was signed during farrels time almost 10 years ago. No such document exists now. Regards,someone who knows!

    ReplyDelete
  9. Yes Pat, the last part of my comment is missing.

    ReplyDelete
  10. I thought that it was denied that seminarians were obliged to enter into a confidentiality agreement? This isn't a confidentiality agreement. Looks like a pretty standard college admission document that people sign when they enter a secular college.

    As to part 2 of the document, the indemnity relates to any claim for a loss that a student might claim he suffers as a result of being expelled, nothing more. In any event, it is definitely not a waiver of general civil or human rights. And criminal law cannot be waived in any circumstances.

    Afraid this is a non-story.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. You are entitled to your opinion and to express it.

      Delete
  11. The end of my comment was:

    I am also of the firm opinion that a derogatory, defamatory and duplicitous homosexual clique is tearing apart the very fabric of the National Seminary.

    ReplyDelete
  12. I would imagine such a document would not hold up in court because it was signed under duress fear or innocence. My laicization document was meat to be top secret.....

    ReplyDelete
  13. This is absolutely shocking in view of previous public denials by bishops, trustees and Hugh Connolly.

    I can honestly say there was no signing of any such document in the 1980's in Maynooth. This must be a fairly recent invention/imposition.

    It would appear that the cementing into place, of a culture of enforced secrecy and confidentiality, has gone hand in hand with the perversion of Maynooth into "Gaynooth".

    I hope the secular media pick up on this outright lie. It seems that the deeply embedded cabal, in Gaynooth, needs a bit more attention from the 'flamethrower' and 'searchlight', of public exposure of lies, corruption, perversion and hypocrisy.

    What has been unfolding here, for the past number of months, is appalling beyond words. Pat Buckley's website has an enormous following, nationally and internationally.

    As an "ordinary" priest in a parish, I do not believe that the bishops fully understand the horror with which this is being viewed, among ordinary Catholics and their pastors.

    How, in the Name of God, can this scenario be allowed to continue, without direct and robust intervention, from the highest authority in the Church?

    From what is unfolding, ON A DAILY BASIS FOR MONTHS NOW, on this website, every appearance is given, of a corrupt, cowardly, inept and, in some cases, personally compromised Church leadership, which has completely lost the plot!

    ReplyDelete
  14. I signed this document within the last 3 years. Current seminarian.

    ReplyDelete
  15. In the same year as the dated document, 2007, Msgr Farrell, Msgr Connolly and Fr. Donal O'Neill oversaw the dismissal of possibly the highest-grade late vocation seminarian in recent years, a family GP from Donegal, who had the previous year made a complaint about a homosexual ethos in Maynooth and particularly directed against a senior cleric professor. The family GP caused initial great pride when he showed up in Maynooth but then foolishly made a formal complaint after only two years in the seminary and was later dismissed (along with any of his witnesses). This matter would have been fully communicated to Archbishop Diarmuid Martin at the time and so it is difficult to believe that he only became concerned about "strange goings on" in Maynooth recently. Why did he not inquire about the family GP's concerns back in 2006/7 or about the reasons Maynooth concocted to dismiss him and anyone he had asked to go witness for him?

    During the period of the GP's formal complaint, it was not unusual for senior seminarians to cruise Phoenix Park in their cars to look at the 'girl-boys' there. There is nothing new in Maynooth which would have suddenly required AB Martin to pull his boys this year - the only possible reason for his sudden interest in pulling his boys out and declaring his temporary upset at Maynooth must have been the fear that the formal Garda complaint being made by a former seminarian might soon result in his naming in any resultant court case and he would have wanted something on the record showing that he was not sitting on his hands. He has been fully aware of "strange goings on" in Maynooth since 2004. Why the silence during the past 12 years?

    ReplyDelete
  16. The gay bullies and gay gangs - what exactly are you talking about? What specific and concrete actions have they taken? What heterosexuals have been attacked? We have heard much about the private alleged sexual lives of individual seminarians, but in what way is their public shaming relevant to this organised gang? There are gay seminarians who act individually - some of them act well and some of them act badly, much like heterosexuals. You permit the publication of comments repeatedly making unsubstantiated innuendo and allegations about seminarians that are either irrelevant or unsupported by facts - again, what role have they played in this gang? And even if true, the demands of privacy laws and Christian charity mean their names and details should not be published. And regardless of what people do wrong, the ritual humiliation of men in the seminary is unChristian. And yesterday, the wrongdoing of Rory Coyle got another blast of coverage and for what? To shame him further? How did that help anyone? Ron Jonson wrote a book "So You Have Been Publicly Shamed" and this blog should feature in an updated edition of that book. You write about the tragedy in Thurles, but how long before this blog leads to a tragedy?

    ReplyDelete
  17. AND.....thge seminarian who went to the Garda was in fact one of Diarmuid Martin's seminarians!

    He later had a meeting with DIRAMUID MARTIN and CHARLES BROWN who believed him.

    DIARMUID offered to send the complaining seminarian to another seminary.

    So IT DOES LOOK like D Martin is just playing politics !!!

    ReplyDelete
  18. The Garda are CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING one heterosexual seminarian's complaint of sexual harassment.

    Another seminarian has supplied the Garda team with a statement.

    If Rory Coyle wanted to attend Mass he had thousands of churches to go to.

    But he went to Armagh Cathedral dressed in clericals.

    This is all part of his reinstatement by the his strange friends in high places.

    In my experience manipulators seldom harm themselves - that is left to true victims.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Do you think Pope Francis would turn Rory Coyle a repentant sinner away from St Peters???
      Start within and show Mercy and be a Forgiven Brother priest.

      Delete
  19. AB Martin has also been fully aware of "strange goings on" in the Pro-Cathedral for many years. Apart from various verbal and written complaints from staff and volunteers going back some five years, along with the effective dismissal of the two most senior volunteers - the twin sisters - from any of their offices in the Cathedral and the removal of their keys - and the recent effective dismissal of one of the two sacristans who then got a cash settlement - he has done absolutely NOTHING about either the Pro-Cathedral or Maynooth. How does he get away with it? How does he manage to fool all of the people all of the time?

    ReplyDelete
  20. Dairmuid Martin wasn't the only one that moved seminarians to Rome.
    Sean Brady did also.....

    ReplyDelete
  21. But what I am saying is that you haven't provided any evidence that the seminarians in Maynooth that you exposed have manipulated anybody. Just lots of private detail that is of no relevance to the question of a gay cabal or a co-ordinated gay group with an agenda. Maybe you could point us to where exactly you have linked your exposure of private sexual information to wider abuse of position misconduct?

    ReplyDelete
  22. The family GP who had been practising in Donegal for many years before entering the seminary for the Derry Diocese was a Doctor Phelim Donnelly. His complaint of a homosexual ethos and related activity was not upheld. The evidence bar was raised so high he never had a chance. He was dismissed, I believe, at the end of 2007 and his then bishop of Derry, Hegarty, had a coronary, a fit and threw up his petticoats at the notion of a complaint going in against Maynooth. That was the end of Dr. Donnelly's vocation. Another heterosexual vocation done to death.

    ReplyDelete
  23. Pat, please let the good priests that are suffering out there at this time, know that they are not alone and that people are praying for them. Our Lady will protect them.

    Sr Lucy the last surviving seer of Fatima spoke of a DIABOLICAL DISORIENTATION OF THE CHURCH, I wonder what she meant!!
    Hmm let me think..........

    ReplyDelete
  24. To be honest I am getting ready fed up of this now. I want some action from the the bishops - this is a major story why are the paper media or rte not investigating it - we need something done about this now. What would it take to get it on the front pages of the news papers?

    Pat I admire your honesty and dedication to this story and thank you for this. Everyone on the street knows what it going on in the Pro cathedral - what is D Martin doing about it - to be honest - he needs to come CLEAN on this. Start of the summer he is the big man moving seminarians from Maynooth to Rome - this week we see Deacon Gorgeous in the Irish college living the high life with a big smug grin on this face - this makes me so sick - typical ireland.

    this is a national grace one would think - the bishops want the church to fall now

    ReplyDelete
  25. Three Seminarians from XXXXXXXXX Diocese, I am reliably told are the ringleaders of the current gay cabal in Gaynooth. The three of them spotted a few days ago in a well known local drinking establishment thick as thieves.

    ReplyDelete
  26. Pat, you said you were going to talk about the Bishops meeting during the week...
    Are you now afraid to put it up? Has somebody said something to you? Have you lost your courage?

    ReplyDelete
  27. What is there to talk about?

    They SAID NOTHING.

    They DID NOTHING

    Ok - "Courageous Anonymous" :-)

    ReplyDelete
  28. This blog is like a surveillance system. Big Brother is watching you. It's like living in Soviet Russia. Pat is like Stalin, If Pat doesn't like you or his you break his 'rules' then you are sent to the gulag. His informers will be out to get you and there will be no forgiveness.

    ReplyDelete
  29. Bishop Pat, have you any Pastoral Letters? If so are they available on-line?

    ReplyDelete
  30. Launch in Ireland of the World Meeting of Families 2018
    ◦Protection of human life
    ◦Trócaire’s work supporting the victims of violence in Aleppo
    ◦Vocations
    ◦Budget 2017
    ◦Day of Prayer for the survivors and victims of sexual abuse
    ◦Child safeguarding
    ◦Theme for Mission month 2016: ‘Every Christian is a missionary’
    ◦Mass and reception for the staff and for those who assist the agencies and commissions of the Bishops’ Conference
    ◦Appointments and retirements
    ◦Bishop Edward Daly RIP

    @13.44 here is what was said as the bishop's conference. Not quite as sensational as the blog but at least I was respectful. There is no need to be attacking anyone.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. All good "safe" issues / talk requiring little effort from the Purple Goons.

      Delete
  31. Big Brother? Imaginee a straight, i.e. a heterosexual, candidate entering Maynooth for any Irish diocese and intending to serve the people of God. Immediately, unknown to him, his every move is watched and reported on by more senior seminarians who have extraordinarily close relationships with members of the seminary council and/ or the clerical teaching staff. Every rumour of a taint of orthodoxy, every whiff of a notion of holiness, every comment or attitude disrespectful to any of the homosexual "strange goings on" in Maynooth or in any church of the Dublin diocese - any of these imagined 'sins' being reported behind his back to the seminary council staff with the result that he can be called in - at no notice - and told in a matter of seconds that he is 'no longer required' and is to leave the seminary at once. Imagine that the same person had given up a job, had given up an income, had given up many friends of both sexes and had taken the rather public step of offering himself to the service of the people of God and of the church and is then suddenly - and without the requirement to be given ANY reasons - is dismissed from the seminary because a group of whispering, gossiping, back-stabbing and hetero-hating bitches have found him not to their liking... there is the secret police - there is the Big Sister(s) - there is the Gaynooth Soviet right there - with a lot of scalps to their eternal discredit - and wholly overseen by Hugh Connolly and others in recent years who are FULLY aware of the "strange goings on" for many many years, having been the people who oversaw the complaints' procedures and then decided to dismiss the rather innocent and uncrafty and less-worldly seminarians. There is your secret Soviet! Pat cannot even manage to effect the dismissal of naked, practising Grindr priest/seminarian Hotties! Who's got the Power? Soviet-Maynooth or Pat the Baker?

    ReplyDelete
  32. If students at UCD, NUIG, DIT, GMIT, UL, QUB, UUJ, Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester, etc., etc., have to sign documents, such as the one which is the subject of today's blog, then, yes indeed, this is a non-story.

    We live in a litigious age. Universities may need to "cover" themselves too - like all other bodies and institutions.

    BUT IS IT THE CASE THAT OTHER UNIS REQUIRE STUDENTS TO SIGN SUCH A DOCUMENT? If so - that puts the Maynooth document in a whole new light!

    I will say this though: This whole business - from start until now - has been handled ABSOLUTELY APPALLINGLY!!

    Whatever the truths, untruths, half-truths, quarter-truths, of all these matters, there has been ABSOLUTELY NO COHERENT DEFENCE, RESPONSE, REFUTATION, OR REBUTTAL, FROM THE BISHOPS, WHO ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE!!

    For the sake of the Catholic Faithful in Ireland and the good clergy who serve them, there needs to be the following:

    - (a) - either a robust - point-by-point - addressal of all issues and allegations, about Maynooth staff, seminarians and all other areas of concern; or

    - (b) - urgent action to reform the seminary system, including expulsion of unsuitable seminarians and sacking of problematic staff.

    The statement of the bishops at the end of August was a pathetic joke and has made matters worse. Also, at this stage of proceedings, Diarmuid Martin appears to be playing cynical games as, it is now claimed, he has known about the "strange goings on" for 12 YEARS!!!

    WHY is nothing being done about "celibate" transitory Deacons seeking gay sex on Grindr and posting indecent pictures of themselves?

    WHY are allegedly unchaste homosexual seminarians being allowed to continue with their studies?

    WHY are staff members, about whom grave concerns have been expressed, one of whom is being investigated by the Gardai, still in their posts?

    The current scenario is generating the gravest concerns and suspicions - even to the extent of harmful speculation - about archbishops and bishops being sexually compromised themselves and, thus, unable/afraid to act!!!

    Are the trustees of Maynooth and the Irish bishops STUPID - OR ARE THEY MORONS? Do they think we, the priests and people, are stupid?

    In my day, you could have been expelled from Maynooth for missing Morning Prayer and Mass too often!

    Nowadays, it seems impossible to be expelled from Maynooth - unless, that is, you want to kneel during the Consecration of the Mass, say your prayers, believe in Church teaching and are disturbed by "gay" behaviour and advances!!!!

    I tell you another thing, bishops: sack your PR people. They are an utter disaster and they are not worth the fortune you are undoubtedly paying them!!

    Finally - could Dr Phelim Donnelly be contacted and invited to comment?

    Fr A.N. Other.

    ReplyDelete
  33. Anon at 13:55 - Big Brother is not watching you. GOD is watching you and your ilk.

    The Irish Catholic people, through this blog, are being alerted to outrageous, rampant and 'in your face' immoral activities in the Irish Church - ON A DAILY BASIS.

    This issue will not go away until there is transparency and reform - until the Church is purified of those who are giving the two-fingered salute - to the most basic rudiments of Christian virtue and purity - commanded by Christ.

    ReplyDelete
  34. I think you are a bit extreme there @13.55. This blog might be a bit tongue and cheek but it's not quite the gulag. That said there a lot of discrimination for people with mental health issues. We should be helping people who suffer with depression rather than causing it.
    The blog is a bit far out- like there is no mention of the poor people who are suffering in Haiti, 800 killed by the storm or all who have died in Syria.
    But then Pat wants to talk about sex, we live in a free world. If you don't want to know about it then don't read the blog. Life is simple. Peace.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Pat does not want to talk about sex.

      Pat wants to highlight whats going on in Maynooth and the church so that people will not be made suffer by the corruption.

      Only this blog is keeping the issues alive.

      As you say - no one has to visit here.

      Delete
  35. FR A.N. Other.
    You seem to be very hot and bothered about this. Do you want to be part of the bishop's PR? If you spent time in seminary you will be aware that the place is full of rumours and smokescreens about students and staff. 100 years ago it was the same and in 100 years time it will also be the same I imagine.
    I noticed in your lengthy response you didn't mention the role of your own bishop/superior. What are you trying to hide?
    Pope Francis and his great work of accepting gay people also didn't get a mention. Are you out of the loop that you don't have any smell of the sheep on you?
    From one who tries to be a good Catholic.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Person at 14:44. Many many Catholic people are "hot and bothered" - as you put it - "about this".

      I would bet my last dollar that you - "one who tries to be a good Catholic" - in actual fact, are part of the "Gaynooth" scandal brigade.

      Pope Francis' "great work of accepting gay people" DOES NOT justify the iniquitous and gravely sinful antics that are the cause of serious concern to many genuinely good Catholics.

      "Smell of the sheep" is it? I'd say you are more used to the wafting of Jean Paul Gaultier in the circles you frequent.

      The sooner this wickedness and devilry is fully exposed the better.

      Fr A.N. Other.

      Delete
  36. 13:40 - "Do you think Pope Francis would turn Rory Coyle a repentant sinner away from St Peters???
    Start within and show Mercy and be a Forgiven Brother priest".

    No. he wouldn't be turned away. He shouldn't be turned away.

    Neither should he return to a "heroes welcome", wearing clerics and be practically congratulated.

    I believe Pope Francis would dismiss Rory Coyle from the priesthood, tell him to avoid the promiscuous "gay" scene, encourage him to do penance and live a good Christian life and, thus, save his soul.

    ReplyDelete
  37. Anon @14.33 I am glad that God is watching me as he has a lot more compassion than you have.

    I hope St Peter is watching me, Remember him- Denied Christ 3 times and yet chosen to be the first Pope with the keys of the kingdom.

    I hope St Patrick is watching me, remember him? Apostle to the Irish yet betrayed by a close friend because of a mistake he make as a youth.

    I hope St Augustine is watching over me, Remember him- More lovers than you could shake a stick at and now regarding as one of the greatest moral theologians there is.

    Am I sinner? I am. Am I in need of God's grace? I am.

    It's not about the issue going away. It will always be here. The Church is a field hospital for sinners. If you can't cope it that, set up your own church full of saints- See how long it lasts.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Re/post at 14.53
      "The Church is a field hospital --" That is exactly it! --
      At one time the disciples were challenged by a group of Pharisees and asked "Why does your Teacher always want to mix with sinners ---? Jesus,Himself overheard the gibe. He turned to them and said,"It is not those who are well who need a Doctor but those who are ailing --" (I think I read that in Matthew Ch.9)

      Delete
  38. I believe you do a lot of good work, Bishop Pat, but I am sure you would agree that there is a lot of sex talked about on this site. In fact, I'd say it happens on a daily basis.
    It seems focused on priests and seminarians. it's as if the lay people are spotless and blameless.
    Maybe a mature reflection is needed by everyone. I am a Christian and I find it unhelpful when you label people as purple goons especially when you are wearing a purple robe yourself. #Justsaying.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I wear very lille purple :-)

      My normal dress for Mass in an alb, a stole, a metal crucifix (silver plated) and a ring made from my mother's jewellery.

      Not all bishops are goons.

      Bishops who facilitate and turn a blind eye to wrong are goons. If fact goon is a rather mild word for what they are :-(

      Delete
  39. Pat, as a former seminarian I completely agree with your mission of exposing all the lies, hypocrisy, filth and the tragic snuffing and ending of many sincere vocations to the diocesan priesthood in Maynooth.

    That being said, I sadly believe you are fighting a "long defeat" (to quote J.R.R. Tolkien). The Gay Cabal completely control Maynooth and has enormous power and influence with the Episcopacy. The Bishops believe everything they are told by these wily and cunning politicians. God in His ineffable Providence and Will is allowing all this to unfold, maybe in an effort to humble and bring the Irish Church to her knees. Who knows?

    Let God be their judge Pat. For God surely will judge them - and very severely because of the responsibility with which He has bequeathed them.

    Yesterday was the feast day of "Our Lady of the Rosary". Let us all pray to Our Blessed Lady that God will soon deliver the Irish Church from the evil within, which is causing so much harm to the Faith and to souls.

    Former seminarian who loves the Eucharist, Our Lady and the Catholic Church.

    ReplyDelete
  40. 'Who am I to judge' - were these words spoken by Pope Francis- Pat did you every think of doing a post about what Pope Francis has done for gay people. I am a gay person myself and I see Pope Francis as a role model.
    I remember hearing of a priest who fathered a child going to Pope Francis and ask him for advice. Pope Francis said he had to look after the child and the child's mother.
    Pat there is a story of encouragement.

    ReplyDelete
  41. @14.48 I think you might be showing a bit of a bias there PB.

    ReplyDelete
  42. Hi All,

    This is more of a small essay rather than a comment.

    Just some context - I am a Roman Catholic guy in his 20s. I have been actively involved in the church for a while now and I WAS (please note the emphasis on was) discerning a vocation to the Priesthood.

    Maynooth was a place I feel in love with. I have visited it a number of times and each time I would visit, I would fall more in love with the place. I loved the general feeling of peace that it brought me. I imagined myself studying and praying there, something which filled me with great happiness. I WAS planning on going there next year (September 2017). I love and hate many things about the church. I love the Church Music, the liturgies (particularly around Christmas and Easter) and also some of the people I have came into contact with in the Church. What do I hate? I also hate some of the people I have came into contact with, some of the priests I have met and the poisonous culture that is choking Parish Life as we know it.

    Then I began hearing the stories about Maynooth. Again, at the beginning, I was taking each one with a pinch of salt. Then the stories started carrying more and more weight and I could actually see the substance behind them. Then there were Priests who were causing scandal.

    All of this led me to say - I'm never going there and I'm not becoming a Priest. Why would a young guy with a lot going for him want to sign his life away and answer to some queen of a Bishop or Parish Priest. I'm not homophobic by any means, but if you are gay, straight or whatever, please don't hide it. It will cause more problems than it is worth. I have also met a girl over the past while and I really like her. As embarrassing as it sounds, I had never kissed or even held hands with a girl. Now, I think I'm getting quite good at it.

    So, I keep hearing Bishops, Priests and Youth Directors (don't get me started on the Armagh Diocesan Youth Commission) saying that the youth are the present, the future and all this crap. They're not. As a young person, I see many others living a life without the Church. They might identify as catholic, but in essence, they just say that. In the future, there won't be any youth in the Church. They will all be running as far away as possible. Currently, the Church is on its knees with some severe wounds which are not getting better. My prediction - 20 years, the Church in Ireland will have bled out and will be well and truly dead.

    Nothing like a bit of optimism on a Saturday afternoon!!! Again not fact, just my humble opinion and my random ramblings.

    Best Wishes to all,
    A Cynical Young Person.

    ReplyDelete
  43. It's quite extraordinary that an Archbishop recently installed in the Dublin diocese - and overseeing Kildare's seminary - who upon being informed that a late-vocation family doctor seminarian had become so worried about a homosexual ethos high in the faculty of St. Patrick's College seminary and about some related "strange goings on" that he risked his entire vocation and reputation to put them on the line and make a formal, written complaint in the Maynooth Gulag even in the full knowledge that it was going to investigate itself - it's quite extraordinary that when this same family doctor was DISMISSED by Maynooth a year later after his complaint was not upheld that the Archbishop of Dublin did not ask to meet him to inquire about the reasons for his making such a complaint, never sought any information from him, never sought to weigh his complaint against the Maynooth seminary council's dismissal of him - never sought to satisfy himself that the complaint was false and/or malicious in order to protect his own Dublin seminarians from such a threat as complained about... that he kept his head firmly in the sand on this occasion during the first of his years in office - from 2005 through 2006 through 2007... and possibly even fearing that this same doctor might go to the press or television media (which he might have done) would have wanted to have satisfied himself that his complaint at least got a hearing in the Archdiocese which must oversee even St. Patrick's College itself and any complaints of a sexual nature arising in there - that he did not bother himself to make any such inquiry... but many years later gets in a tizzy about "strange goings on" only after learning that a Dublin diocesan seminarian was making a Garda complaint?????!!!!!

    And with regard to St. Mary's Pro-Cathedral, after some 5 years of receiving written and verbal and face-to-face complaints about goings on in the Cathedral does NOTHING whatsoever, not even when the most senior volunteers there, the sister twins, are effectively DISMISSED from all of their offices there and when one of the two Sacristans is effectively DISMISSED from his office there (and gets a sett€ement) still does NOTHING - what does that tell you about his oversight or concern about "strange goings on"?????????

    Is he to be trusted or believed when he suddenly finds a conscience and acts flutters a handkerchief to have his seminarians removed temporarily? IS this a JOKE??? What happened to all of the previous years' complaints? Why not act THEN???

    ReplyDelete
  44. To all of the priests of the Dublin Archdiocese - and priests elsewhere in Ireland - who have known about these scandals and who have said and done NOTHING about them for fear of nothing more than losing a plum appointment and some preferment within the diocesan ranks, shame and shame again on you...

    ReplyDelete
  45. Is everyone welcome in your Church, Pat? If one of the bishops, priests, deacons, or seminarians mentioned on your blog came to your church to pray, would you welcome them? I'm not too sure you would welcome them...

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Everyone is aelcome. Last Sunday we had 2 priests here and 3 former seminarians.

      If one of the people you mentioned came here they would be welcomed and included and would face no tension whatsoever.

      Delete
  46. The new Bishop of Killaloe seems like a happy soul - i really hope he makes a difference.

    ReplyDelete
  47. Can I ask something.

    God calls men to become priests - the holy spirt guides the bishop to send them to Maynooth. My question then is surely God would not allow his chosen men to become tainted after all they will hold his body in their hands.

    So what am I missing - how is this happening ?

    My apologies if this sounds stupid to ask - but I am really wrestling with this.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. God allowed FATHER BRENDAN SMYTH to say Mass everyday while at the same time sexually abusing hundreds of children!

      Priests like all others can opt for evil?

      Delete
  48. There is free will @15.34 Going back to Adam and Eve, that's what makes us human. We try our best, sometimes we fail but we pick ourselves up again.

    ReplyDelete
  49. I asked previously if you had written any pastoral letters, Pat? maybe you are a bit tied up. I understand that Saturday afternoons are a busy time for the clergy.
    Catholic Mother.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I do not think I have written formal pastoral letters. But I have written 2 books.

      A THORN IN THE SIDE.

      A SEXUAL LIFE - A SPIRITUAL LIFE

      Delete
  50. I think it would be a great idea if you would a pastoral letter. I'm not too fond of books. I haven't time to read them to be honest, no offense. It's hard when you have a young family.
    A Pastoral letter would be a lot easier for me to read. What do you think Pat?
    Catholic Mother.

    ReplyDelete
  51. 15,31 Everyone deserves an opportunity to make a fresh start.
    A good start is half the battle as my dad used to say.
    I wonder who will be chosen next for an Irish Diocese?
    Have you any suggestions Pat who would make a good bishop?
    I am serious, not joking, trying to see who are the good priests out there.

    ReplyDelete
  52. We should draw up a list of criteria of who should be put on the terna-
    Anyone with suggestions what we, as the people of God, would want to see in our bishops?

    1. Morally upright.
    2. Strong faith.
    3. Support the people of God in our vocation.

    Any other suggestions?

    ReplyDelete
  53. Its 2016 - why is there a need for people to go to seminary - I'm sure in this day and age we could come up with something different a different model.

    A man should live in a diocese shadow a good priest - he should attend theology and phillospy lectures in a main stream university - he should attend retreats and become really a man that will follow the word of Christ.

    Close Maynooth and all other dregs of places and go with a new model - the time has come.

    ReplyDelete
  54. Fr David Fennelly was based in our parish. He was very charismatic and I think he would make a great bishop.

    ReplyDelete
  55. I support Catholic Mother in asking for a Pastoral letter. One that is based on good sounds Christian values. I'd had enough of listening to so much rubbish I think my head is full and I want a break from it all.
    Short, sweet and to the point, Pat, that's the kind of Pastoral Letter I would want to see.

    ReplyDelete
  56. I agree with 16.22 a new criteria for being a bishop needs to be drawn up. The current system is clearly not working. Ireland needs a Synod. Closing Maynooth is not enough.

    ReplyDelete
  57. Someone with a clear conscience would be another good sign to be a bishop.

    ReplyDelete
  58. 14:53, if, by citing Sts Peter, Patrick and Augustine, you are attempting to justify/play down the degenerate behaviours in Gaynooth, you are one seriously sick soul. Those saints would denounce the wickedness there with thunderbolts and lightning flashes! Neither does God's Mercy and Compassion give any succour whatsoever to those employed in sin and vice. God commands them to repent.

    ReplyDelete
  59. We need to pray very, very hard for the formators in Maynooth. I was a seminarian there and I can assure you that YES they need much prayer. At the end of their lives God will allow them to see all the souls He intended to heal and touch through holy and zealous priests that they - the formators - were meant to form according to the Heart of the Church.

    The Seminary Council in Maynooth appear to have no idea of the responsibility they have before God. Let's pray for them - they are in dire need of prayers.

    And let's pray for each other.

    God bless you all.

    ReplyDelete
  60. I am closer to 17.17 than to 17.07-
    How often do I have to forgive my brother?
    Maybe a course in scripture is needed????
    I also agree with 17.21

    ReplyDelete
  61. A Pastoral Letter on Seminary formation seems to be called for.
    Pat, I hope you write it. It needs to be told. For too long we have been held in silence. The Irish people clearly want the best formation for their priests.
    Are you getting it now?
    I'm not too sure.

    ReplyDelete
  62. 17.17 The Church as a field hospital is what Pat should write his Pastoral Letter about. Not much sex there but at least it will give an honest account of life in the modern day Church in Ireland.

    ReplyDelete
  63. Sorry my comment of 17.38 should read...
    Are we getting it now?
    I'm not so sure.

    I was never great at English at school.
    Apologies.

    ReplyDelete
  64. People are concerned that there is too much talk of sex on this Blog.

    However many of the church's problems are in fact SEX PROBLEMS:

    The Bishop Casey Scandal was a SEX PROBLEM.

    The Child Abuse Scandals were SEX PROBLEMS.

    The Maynooth Problem is a SEX PROBLEM.

    Clerical celibacy is a SEX PROBLEM.

    Abortion is a SEX PROBLEM.

    Same Sex Marriage is a SEX PROBLEM.

    Somebody wisely said that SEX would be the Catholic Church's 20th Century Galileo.

    He was right.

    ReplyDelete
  65. Bishop Pat, the way you talk about sex so much highlights for me that maybe you are the one who likes talking about sex.
    Many people mentioned a lot of things today, bishops, pastoral letters etc.
    You choose to focus on sex.
    I am a mother of a young family. Most of us are trying our best to live our Christian life. It's a struggle at times.
    Sex plays a part in my life but there is more to my life than sex.
    Catholic Mother.

    ReplyDelete
  66. Bergoglio said recently "...bishops must not get caught up in a game of numbers with vocations, but focus more on quality and forming mature priests, who are not slaves to their personal vices and weaknesses..."
    Some seminarians fit the bill here and clearly are slaves. He's the boss, when are the Irish bishops going to listen to him?
    EL

    ReplyDelete
  67. Sorry if I was a bit harsh on you Pat.
    I didn't mean it.
    Catholic Mother.

    ReplyDelete
  68. Bishop Pat, Why is same sex marriage a sex problem? I have a number of friends in same sex marriages and I see nothing wrong in it.
    Why do you see it as a problem?

    ReplyDelete
  69. I DON'T SEE IT as a problem.

    But the Catholic Religion does.

    I have been celebrating same sex blessings for 30 years :-)

    ReplyDelete
  70. Ah ok, I just thought it strange the way you put it in the same category as the child sex abuse. It good be helpful to clarify your position that you seem them as very separate. You know the way that some people might get confused and next thing people might start to label you.

    ReplyDelete
  71. Pat, Do you only do same sex marriages in your own church or do you travel to another church to do them?

    ReplyDelete
  72. Pat, you seemed to see AB Martin as some kind of saviour a few months ago. Given his fawning press coverage in The Irish Times and in The Irish Catholic - without a scintilla of investigative research - he can do no wrong in the uninformed public mind, but why do you think he has done nothing about Maynooth and about the Pro-Cathedral except temporary posturing?

    ReplyDelete
  73. I can only conclude that he is:

    A. Compromised in some way?

    B. Using Maynooth and other issues for "political" reasons?

    C. Has a soft spot for gays?

    D. Is basically a coward?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. There is a 5th option. He has no interest in being in Dublin. He looks bored and it's an open secret he would rather be in Rome. For most of his priesthood he has been a glorified ecclestiastical civil servant. That's what he's happiest at. He has a positive media profile due in large part to his brother's links to the irish times. The media also know he hasn't a clue about how to deal with the collapse of catholicism in Dublin and in Ireland generally. That suits a secularist anti catholic agenda perfectly.

      Delete
    2. True Nuala - PLUS - he made all the right noises about clerical abuse when, behind it all, he really didn't give a toss. Anything would have been an improvement on poor old Des and Martin was good at going through the motions with victims. Behind the media front though - cynical disregard and callous disinterest.

      Delete
  74. What ever happened to VAMA?
    Is it closed down? No longer Active?
    No longer functioning?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. VAMA hasn't gone anyway. Don't you worry about that.

      Delete
  75. What do you mean by 'compromised in some way'?

    ReplyDelete
  76. I used to think Diarmuid Martin was a wise and considerate man. now I've come to the absolute conclusion that the man is just a dope!!! an actual DOPE!!! is it any wonder the other bishops have little time for him.

    ReplyDelete
  77. The Latín paragraph looks to me like they copy/pasted an old document, to make the whole thing more solemn. I wish they did that with their liturgies. However they don't know Latin, they cannot even copy it correctly. "Constititiones"? "Val"? Vale!

    ReplyDelete
  78. This isn't the document that Con Connolly denied existed. It is not a confidentiality agreement. Perhaps given the third rate talent in Maynooth nowadays someone thought this document was a confidentiality agreement and has sent everyone off on a wild goose chase?

    And someone is raped on campus and this document denies the rape victim justice? Give me a break.

    ReplyDelete
  79. Indeed an old form from the 1800s, no doubt rewritten and updated before Vatican II. Superb double ententes for the attentive reader...

    DECLARATIO ALUMNORUM COLLEGII ROMANO CATHOLICI APUD MAYNOOTH.

    Ego infrascriptus polliceor et spondeo me nec ullam conjurationis latentem societatem coire, neque alias coiturum; meque diligenter et summa fide servaturum omnia et singula statuta et Constitutiones hujus Collegii, quamdiu in illo commorabor ; nihilque ex animo
    facturum dicturumve, quo dicta statuta et constitutiones quidquam detrimenti capiant, vel quo ad eorum violationem aut contemptum caeteri Alumni inducantur. In quorum fidem hisce subscripsi.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. As the only non Latin speaker on this blog could you give me a translation
      I am missing those double entendres....

      Delete
  80. haven't heard of VAMA at all lately.
    It must have been a summer fad.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I am in touch with VAMA several times a week.

      Delete
  81. Sure Pat, you are VAMA ;)

    From a seminarian

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I am not Vama.

      But if it comforts you to think I am off you go :-)

      Delete
  82. Who is con comnnolly @19.55?

    ReplyDelete
  83. Pat, if your not in charge who is.....
    ;)
    who is the mystery man?
    We need to know

    From a Seminarian

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. He is a former Maynooth seminarian.

      He can speak for himself.

      Why do yuu NEED to know?

      Delete
  84. Once the Media lost interest in VAMA- So did Pat,
    Past tense stuff now. Nobody is interested-
    everyone has moved on. It was getting boring anyway.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. You may be bored. I am deeply concerned.

      Delete
    2. Boring - really. Over 110 comments and counting on today's blog. The Maynooth deceivers and dissimulators can't suppress those numbers along with photographic evidence.

      Maynooth's lying days are numbered.

      Delete
  85. Right enough, there is not much news about VAMA.
    Why are you so concerned, Pat?
    No need to get too worried about it, it's other people's concern.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I am concerned about people being bullied in Maynooth.I have met and spoken to people who have nearly been destroyed by it all.

      Delete
  86. Do you know what Pat? I find it absolutely hilarious as well as tragic that that zoo of a formation house is still operational.

    When will the Irish Church be finally rid of this sewage tank that keeps belching out filth onto a faithful who at this stage are inured to clerical scandals?

    ReplyDelete
  87. Who are you kidding??? @21.37

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Not as many as you, I would say, 21:37.

      Delete
  88. May God take out his mighty eraser and once and for all rid us of this ever-staining blot on the Irish Church.

    Maynooth is a farce and a sham of a seminary.

    ReplyDelete
  89. The field hospital idea is one of Christianity's great weaknesses because it is misunderstood. On the one hand us forgiveness and opportunity for repentance as treatments for the sick.
    However in a hospital which is any good, patients with certain illnesses will be isolated to prevent the illness spreading. It's nothing against the patient himself.
    If one of the staff contracts one of those illnesses they will also be isolated. They will not be allowed to function as, say, matron, because that will cause further illness.
    And here's the crux: if the hospital's staff don't recognise and treat illness correctly, the whole point has gone out of the window!
    Ironically of course the seminary system only dates back to the counter-Reformation, when it was painfully obvious the Catholic church had to do something about its previously slapdash or non-existent education of clergy. I say education, because most of the current ideas of vocation or formation only date back to the nineteenth century.
    As for sex, it's going to come up because religion always tries to control major human impulses like sex or food. Obviously not successfully lol, in the light of the promiscuous, slcoholic, or overweight clergy mentioned here.

    ReplyDelete
  90. overweight clergy? Who are the overweight clergy you are talking about.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Maybe Queen Puck? Oh sorry, I meant to say King...;)

      Delete
  91. Yes, if the doctors are the main carriers of the disease, it is better to keep away from the hospital and take your chances elsewhere.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Maynooth a field hospital? More like an STI/STD clinic...

      Delete
  92. If an Archbishop can posture as 'acting' by doing absolutely nothing during 12 years of complaints about Maynooth and then be discovered to have allowed events in the Cathedral to spiral out of control and done nothing as staff and volunteers are dismissed and a diocesan financial settlement arrived at with one person - was the hush money paid from collection cash? - if this vast inaction is the sum total of Martin's governance then the recent temporary removal of Dublin seminarians from Maynooth was nothing more than a form of coitus interruptus soon to be replaced by coitus as usual and our media guardians are satisfied to leave it at that.

    ReplyDelete
  93. What the hell is coitus interruptus?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Interruption of copulation, i.e., sex.

      Delete
  94. It's a tea break in Maynooth silly!

    ReplyDelete
  95. Given that seminarians are writing to this blog for and against Maynooth and that one of them actually rang Pat B the other night - to complain about the return of King Puck - I would say that Christian community life in Maynooth is now untenable. In such a small community it must now be impossible to live with the suspicion and fear of who is watching who.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Christian community life has been untenable in Maynooth for a long time. In actual fact, St Pat's is a ghastly parody and caricature of what a truly Catholic seminary should be. No mutual trust. No sincerity. All facade, charade and lies.

      Delete
  96. Oh grow up and smell the coffee! There is only one coterie of power in Maynooth with only one set of watchers being heard! The daily grind favours those bent on keeping Maynooth pink and active. The record of those 'sent down' in recent years is almost completely made up of heteros who didn't know their place. Paranoia only afflicts those who may be dismissed - being discovered on Grindr and sexually active presents no threat of dismissal at all, perhaps just a sabbatical in Rome...

    ReplyDelete
  97. Pat must have a hotline with calls from Maynooth.

    ReplyDelete
  98. Interesting document from Maynooth, with Donal O'Neill's signature on it. He's the same guy who was bishop's secretary in Kerry and who left the priesthood a few months ago. Lots of surprise about that cos 'twas thought he would get the pointy hat in Killaloe or somewhere in Munster. He seems to have landed on his feet with the job in Galway. I bet he knows lots of secrets, just like his predecessor in that Kerry role, old Clifford, Casey's bag carrier. I'm sure the boyos were keen to have Donal go happy and sorted. There won't be any bean spilling from the Bons Secours in Galway.

    ReplyDelete
  99. From posts in recent days it sounds like the boys in Rome have been having more fun over the years than their counterparts in Gaynooth. This Boner guy from Raphoe is a real boyo. And this summer place in Gaeta... what's the story with that? Why did they have to close the place? To bury what scandal?

    ReplyDelete
  100. You'd need to ask Shawny Brady and the gang about the Irish College villa. They were there in the 60s and early 70s. Drop a line to Shawny B, or Dermot Clifford, Michael Smith, Bill Murphy, Leo O'Reilly or Donal McKeown. Diarmuid Martin might know a thing or two as well.

    ReplyDelete
  101. Bishop Pat, my sources tell me that the 'hounds of Ulster' have been unleashed from Ara Coeli in recent days and that a diabolical pact has been formed between the 2 Martins and O'Reilly in Cashel. Ara Coeli's 'security branch' is in overdrive trying to figure out what's going on with this blog. They want to close you down, but can't decide... that might look worse for them. They'd love to discover the identity of those posting on here. They are hopping mad at some recent revelations. You better take care, Pat.

    ReplyDelete
  102. Of course much of this brazen sexual activity at Gaynooth, Rome and via Grindr is born of a sense of invincibility, even entitlement. These boyos don't think ordinary moral codes apply to them. They feel powerful and entitled. Most child abuse is about power too. So, the other side of all this is how do they exercise this power in the rest of their lives? What about money... parish funds, diocesan funds? I heard a while ago of a PP who went into a new parish in Co Limerick only to find over 90,000 euro missing from the parish funds. Imagine if the Revenue did an audit of diocesan and parish funds! Wow, then you'd have a mega scandal!!

    And, what's all this about a bishops' pension fund? I thought the diocese provided a pension, but apparently not so. They have their own gold-plated pension fund. No recessionary cuts there, me thinks.

    Then there are those lovely well-dressed young 'Fathers' well-versed in charming old ladies. That curate in Athlone ... pissed off because the other good looking guy gets all the weddings... he's onto a good one, with the ould ones down in Cork and elsewhere sending him cheques for 2,000 euro at a go. Seems he had a nice time blowing 2,000 for a week in the G hotel in Galway a while ago. Wish we could all camp there for a week. But, poor father, he needed a break. He works so hard listening to his new bishop in Longford and hob nobbing with whoever he can through the ICMA.

    ReplyDelete
  103. It's not true that Dermo hasn't acted at the Pro-Cathedral. He did a mini-clean up there when he moved Pat, the singing priest out. Poor Pat broke one golden rule... he didn't keep his antics within the clerical club. But, then, maybe Gorgeous was already spoken for. Poor Pat got entangled with a very confident young assistant organist there (not that old married queen Gillan, but also called Gerard) who's a lawyer by training and already had a boyfriend. Father's advances were not welcome and said young lawyer/musician made quite a fuss with the powers that be and Fr Pat vanished.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Fr Pat has by no means vanished but has merely silenced the organ temporarily. He waits in the wings the call to service.

      Delete
  104. Donal O'Neill? Hilarious story about Donal only a few months in the formation job, sent the very hetero seminarian, macho IRA Shane Doherty to view the movie Brokeback Mountain one evening. Doherty thinks it's a John Wayne/Clint Eastwood kind of movie and races off for a rare evening out of Maynooth cum permissu superiorum only to be flabbergasted by scenes of gay sex. Confronts Donal next morning after morning prayer and declares that he feared for the 2,000 sheep on the hill that they too might suffer violation! Doherty was dismissed shortly afterwards by Diarmuid as unwanted in the archdiocese. He and Doctor Donnelly were buddies then. What was Donal boy thinking?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Thanks for that.

      I've always wondered what happened to Shane Doherty.

      Delete
  105. Did Shawny B use Armagh diocesan funds to pay a legal settlement in Canada? I heard the figure of 300,000 taken from an Armagh account. The account was destined for other purposes, but pressure was exerted to get the trustees to sign over the dosh to pay for Shawny's incompetence and malevolence back in his Kilmore notary days.

    ReplyDelete
  106. I'm confused between the difference between Bishop Pat and Fr Pat. Are we talking about the same person?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Not the same person. Fr Pat was a priest at Dublin's Pro Cathedral.

      Delete
  107. Who is Shane Doherty?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. An ex IRA man from Derry who studied for priesthood in Maynooth for Dublin diocese.

      Delete
  108. Pat, What do you make of Pope Francis?
    I am a gay man and I think he has done wonderful things for the church. From reading some of your previous posts you come across to me as someone who has mixed feelings about him and I just wanted to hear what you thought of him.
    Gay Man

    ReplyDelete
  109. Thanks for the clarification- It might be helpful to use surnames- I was very confused. I am not on the inner circle of clergy but I try to keep up to date on what is happening about the place.

    ReplyDelete
  110. I do have mixed feelings about Francis.

    I like some of the things he has said and done.

    But I wonder how much of it is PR?

    In any event he is a QUEEN BEE surrounded by WASPS.

    They will not let him do much/

    ReplyDelete
  111. What happened in Kilmore?

    ReplyDelete
  112. Pat is it correct to say you don't believe in Papal Infallibility? Maybe I picked it up wrong?
    What is your Church's position on it?

    ReplyDelete
  113. 00.43
    Did 300, 000 go missing from the Armagh diocese funds , and was it used to pay an abuse victim in Canada?
    What went on in Kilmore?

    ReplyDelete
  114. 300,000 what the heck is going on?

    ReplyDelete
  115. Sean Baptist at 00:33 - what is the ICMA? The Irish Country Masterbaters Association?

    ReplyDelete
  116. Would love to see the spiritual and Pastoral side of Pat.
    Suggestion, yesterday's homily maybe.

    ReplyDelete