Thursday, 8 December 2016

MAYNOOTH

MAYNOOTH

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I continually get comments like this one that arrived yesterday:

"PAT, HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOUT MAYNOOTH. THINGS ARE STILL BAD IN MAYNOOTH. SEMINARIANS ARE STILL SUFFERING. PLEASE DON'T FORGET ABOUT MAYNOOTH. HELP MAYNOOTH"

Of course I have not forgotten about Maynooth. It is at the forefront of my mind every day.

I know that Maynooth is still suffering from:

1. Unsuitable staff members.

2. Unsuitable seminarians.

3. Staff members who have personal and sexual issues.

4. Seminarians who have personal and sexual issues.

5. Staff bullying seminarians.

6. Seminarians bullying seminarians.

7. Compromised bishops covering up.


Very little has changed since it was the big news item in the summer.

Since then The Irish Catholic Bishops have decided, by majority, to give it their full support and are using all their powers and resources to achieve that.

Obviously the popular media have lost interest in the story - at least for now.

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It will take a new crisis - or a series of crises - for the media to get interested again.

It make even take a tragedy of some kind - the serious injury of a seminarian.

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But I believe that will happen.

Sadly Maynooth is rotten way past cure. New incidents will happen. There will be new victims. 

One or more of these victims will have the courage to get in touch with the likes of myself or a good journalist and the whole can of worms will be open again.

The Garda still have TWO investigative files open that they will not close for a very long time.

Investigations into long standing matters often take years to come into the light.

Just look at what has been happening in the football world this last 14 days with people coming forward after a long time.

And when ONE comes forward sometimes MANY come forward.

Don't worry the corruption that is in Maynooth is ON THE WAY OUT.

Its not a matter of IF - it is only a matter of time. 

In the meantime there are a number of us keeping a very tight watch.

Anyone with help to offer can contact me on: bishopbuckley1@outlook.com




46 comments:

  1. This is what always happens after the whistle is blown, it goes back to 'normal'. You're right with Maynooth, if the status quo gasn't changed it can only explode again.

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  2. According to America Magazine, the Vatican has reaffirmed it's ban on gay priests. More and more I ask myself is the church a dysfunctional, basket case. They really don't have the sense they were born with.

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    1. All priests are expected to live chastely. If they fall they go to confession with a firm purpose of amendment. If a seminarian, despite his sincerest efforts, is not able to control his sexual impulses, that is a clear sign that he does not have a vocation to priesthood. There is no ban on the ordination of men of homosexual orientation who are able and willing to live chastely.

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    2. I agree with that interpretation. The use of the term "deep-seated homosexual tendencies", rather than "homosexual orientation" was deliberately used to capture the scenario described by anonymous @ 11:19. That is the interpretation adopted almost universally by bishops and religious orders, even those such as Cardinal Dolan on the more conservative spectrum. On this point at least, I think the Irish bishops are to be commended.

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  3. I'm sure the top tiers of most organised religions know only too well about "Fake News" as they've been peddling it for long enough!

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  4. The Vatican Congregation for the Clergy has today issued a new document on priestly formation with the authority of Pope Francis.

    It can be downloaded here: http://www.clerus.va/content/clerus/en/notizie/new11.html

    It is entitled "The Gift of Priestly Vocation".

    From today we should make it our standard for holding Maynooth to account.

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    1. It is quite a long document - I am surprised that you have read it and digested it so quickly as to be able to propose it as a standard for holding Maynooth to account. On my initial review, it is an antiquated document stuck in a different age, for example, rattling on about minor seminaries which for the most part have ceased to exist.

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    2. If you take the trouble to look again you will see that the new minor seminaries will have little in common with the diocesan colleges that in Ireland were the minor seminaries of the past. One of the problems identified in Maynooth was the refusal of the bishops to implement the spiritual year demanded of them by the Vatican. The new minor seminaries will provide this indispensable element of discernment and basic Christian catechesis which in Ireland has been badly neglected in the rush to ordain.

      I'm not a quick reader and digest slowly but I do think a first judgment of any institution is to see how it measures up to the requirements of its own highest authority. Besides, I trust, if not exactly the brand, at least Pope Francis, and Cardinal Stella who deserves to have a book written about him and may yet become better known in the Church and in the world.

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    3. I am not aware of the existence of any minor seminaries in Ireland catering to adolescents (which is what the document deals with) nor am I aware that they are a common feature of life in Europe more generally. Like much of the documents coming out of Rome, this one appears to full of waffle and lack of precision - for example, it repeats an ambiguous 2005 dicastery instruction dealing with homosexuality, but does nothing to clarify a badly written instruction, just repetition and endorsement of an imprecise document. Pope Francis is the Vicar of Christ and as such is entitled to respect, but clarity of meaning is not his strong suit. I am not convinced that the latest missive from the Vatican is of much use to anybody.

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  5. Saw on RTE 20 priests offer confession/chat in Cork shopping centre. Ok for what it's worth but sacraments are not fix it kits. The whole RC ecclesiology needs fixing. Maynooth etc are symptoms of a church/social system gone wrong.

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  6. Fine thanks Like a drop o tomato meself

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  7. Pat you said a few weeks ago that you had evidence that seminarians were still using Grindr, is it true?

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    1. Anonymous @13:32 is a babe in the woods!

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    2. So there is/was no evidence?

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  8. So gorgeous should not be ordained if he still enjoying male company ?

    Not to mention his illicit use of grinder

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    1. No - Gorgeous and King Puck, et al. should not be ordained. They will be the next Rory Coyles.

      They won't change. They will bring further scandal and hurt to the faithful.

      If their bishops ordain them, those bishops are grossly irresponsible and also guilty of the sin of scandalising God's People and endangering His Church.

      The authorities in Maynooth also have much to answer for in this appalling situation of unsuitable seminarians being ordained as unfit priests.

      There will be a terrible accounting before God for all of this mess.

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  9. It is not all about sex in Maynooth - seminarians are treated more like detainees as in Guantanamo Bay, with the hierarchy authorising continued mental abuse, promoting 'war on the seminarian' by terrorist staff. This is done in solidarity confinement under the guise of the 'one to one' formation meetings where the unsuspecting seminarian is subjected to a procedure called, 'mentally dismantling' or commonly known in the world, as 'water-boarding' the student, by whatever clerical clowns are in situ and who think they've invented the wheel!

    They do not use the Water of Life but of Death resulting in a similar result as with the people who missed the boat back in Noah's time. Nothing changes. It drowns one's vocation of a good seminarian, which is their intention. However, the bad seminarian escapes any questioning that might bring to light his deceitful intentions. Birds of a feather flock together. Wink, wink, nudge nudge!

    Where have these clowns been trained? I believe they are sent on a one year course somewhere in the west coast of America (?) - let's check that nest out and maybe begin to understand why we have such twisted and disordered brain-heads running our seminary.

    St Peter tells us that "obedience is greater than sacrifice" but not when the authoritive figures intentions are degrading forms of abuse and motivated out of personal self-satisfaction. Keep up the pressure Pat and lets save these good men in Maynooth who are in the hands of the enemy.

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  10. I have heard that during the pontificate of Urban II (1088-1099) the final close-down began for married clergy!
    Before that, if a priest died, people would look around their parish, and would recommend to their Bishop some good man - who was well-off - with perhaps a few servants - and who could easily take time off to do funerals, weddings, sick calls or whatever was necessary.
    People by and large are not interested in theological niceties.
    What they do want to hear is that fact that God loves them, no matter what they have done and no matter who they aren't!
    Jesus all not talk in theological terminology.
    Such a man, I believe, would make a most excellent priest - a solid knowledge of the old Penny Catechism from such a man would do me!

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  11. I know there is an Armagh and Tuam student on Fabguys and Bender who have since closed their grindr accounts. I am a lay student in Maynooth and have had sex with both whom I met on Fabguys. Basically if you want gay sex in Maynooth then you can take your pick of quite a few guys in the Seminary and its very easy to meet up. It's like a kid in a sweet shop.
    Kildare Teenager.

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  12. @14:06

    I would second all of that as reflecting what I was subjected to by Donal O'Neill. And yes you are correct. All Maynooth directors of formation are sent on a course in California, San Fran I believe. This is where they are 'trained' as 'directors of formation'. What is worse is that they come back appearing to genuinely believe that these are the correct approaches to formation to be taking.

    CR

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    1. Do you know the name of the place? Is it run by a religious order?

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  13. Hello Kildare teen, can I ask if you a practicing rc
    Just asking because it is a mortal sin to have sexual intercourse if not married to either a male or female.
    So Pat, if I confess to having sex outside of marriage, can I get absolution even though I know I'm going for more of th same
    Is having sex theses day not sinful ?
    It was when I was young....what has changed ?

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  14. Irish Catholic Lad8 December 2016 at 16:04

    Sexually active seminarians go on to become sexually active priests, which causes scandal and leads people to abandon the Church. Why can't clerics get that into their heads!?! Kick those grindr guys out, they're taking the piss!!!

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    1. Irish Catholic Lad you are 100% right! Seminarians on grindr, etc. must be EXPELLED! That they are being tolerated/protected is SHOCKING.

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  15. 14:11. All people clerical or lay are challenged to be appropriate in their sexuality for health reasons if nothing else-just saying ..

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  16. Sean, I'm more interested in how God sees it
    IS it a mortal sin or not ...nowadays
    Surely everyone knows that if a condom isn't used S T Ds happen

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    1. I think the question here is if we are trying to control God by the amount of sin we can measure. Sin does exist but God sees more than the notches on a human measuring stick

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  17. A gay friend told me that if you go to the gay saunas in Dublin you have a reasonably good chance of finding a gay priest or gay student priest in there most days.

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  18. 15.31 I am not a practising Catholic as I chose to be atheist. I am not living a lie like many of the guys in the Seminary who just want no strings promiscuous unprotected sex and it's on a daily basis, believe me. I would be interested if Maynooth Seminary carried out random STD checks - now that would make interesting reading.
    Kildare

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  19. With all this focus on seminarian and priests not living up to the standards expected of them, will the next port of call be an expose of practising Roman Catholics who are unmarried and having sex? Because I am detecting a note of clericalism in the assumption that there is a different standard for priests. There isn't.

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    1. Agree, although in fairness, there is a slightly higher standard - it's called 'vow of celibacy'. Perhaps a similar comparison could be more readily drawn with married RCs who are having extra-marital sex. Plenty of that going on, too!

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  20. Bishop Pat did you not say sometime ago on your blog about a Seminarian giving another Seminarian an STD in the Seminary. All this stuff is truly shocking and I am appalled about what the lay student at Maynooth is claiming.

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  21. That's the thing17 .57 many practicing Catholics are living in sin
    Many suppose that because they faithful to one partner that they not living in sin
    My goodness Sean, you do answer in convoluted jargon

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  22. Didnt think I was erudite enough to compose me own jargon. Just reminded me I need to get the Christmas Cards written ho ho ho

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  23. This blog is confused on whether it is (a) holding seminarians to the standards the Church expects of them or (b) exposing a culture of bullying by a small group of gay seminarians and their supporters.

    If it is (A) then that appears rather odd to me, since the blogger himself does not subscribe to those standards or, as far as I am aware, believe in them. Though objective A isn't a bad one, if it is done in the correct manner (so far that has not been the case sadly, given the tone).

    If it is (B), we need some proper information on this bullying. So far all we have seen is an expose of private information of actively gay seminarians. We need chapter and verse on this bullying. For example, it was not widely known in the seminary that the two caught in bed were up to anything before the exposure. In that case, can we really say they were part of a cabal of gay bullies? If not, is it fair to expose their private lives? It is fair to say they should not be in seminary, but they have a right to dignity.

    A further concern is that there is a continuing theme of the number of gay seminarians and the environment this creates for heterosexual men. Absolutely correct. But there needs to be more nuance - many men who go forward might be homosexual by orientation, but are decent seminarians and will go on to be good priests. A broad brush ("90% of seminarians are gay") while failing to point out that in and of itself that is not a bad thing, isn't very helpful. As regards the men in this category, it cannot be said to be their fault that heterosexuals are not putting themselves forward. I also do not think it is accurate to say this puts men off seminary - until very recently, the vast majority of potential seminarians had no real clue about the cesspit that is Maynooth.

    In any event, it is my view that until there is an end to the modernist theology we have been force fed at Maynooth, nothing will change because the gospel isn't at the centre. There is far too much "psychologising" of human experience, and not enough of the supernatural.

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  24. I am glad that you mentioned the UK football scandal. Of course the problem is not that these coaches took oaths of celibacy and so became perverts, they joined a profession that gave them easy, frequent and trusted access to their victims. And this is exactly what happened in the Church and the vast majority of them were homosexual paedophiles.

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  25. Sean I'm not a student of any kind, I'm just a woman asking you a question as a trusted friend.
    I've liked your posts on Pats blog.
    I haven't sent c cards since 74....they such a waste of time and money

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  26. Armagh student from Co. Derry who I f****d I will expose you. I wouldn't contemplate it normally but you appeared so arrogant to laugh in my face. You were willing to give me your info about seminary and where you were from. What you don't know is I secretly recorded our sex session.

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    1. 22.34. How sad and sworded. Is this what it takes to bring the issue from high follluting talk to hard reality. If so it must only be the tip of the iceberg. I suggest you speak to Pat or another trusted person on how to proceed

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    2. "Armagh student from Co Derry who I f****d I will expose you"?

      Hmmmmm. That kind of narrows it down doesn't it?

      Some bucko from about Magherafelt or Moneymore no doubt crapping his wee CK panties over a bit of careless "pillow-talk".

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  27. 20.31 I hope I have not offended in any way. If I have sorry it was never my intention. Have a great and blessed Christmas. There must be something worth saving in us humans otherwise Jesus would never have been born.

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  28. All you hopefulls who are eager to reignite the grindr issues and the goings on in Maynooth...forget about it. It's all done and dusted. There will always be gay seminarians and gay priests. And what of it ... some of them make excellent priests. And should they have murky pasts or problems with their sexuality ..so what ? And who amoung you is worthy to cast the first stone?

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  29. Whether it be seminarian, priest or seminarian it is the same standard with regards to sin. But the difference is that the priest and seminarian are obviously not called to celibacy and are struggling to live up to the expectation of being chaste. The lay man, also not called to a life of celibacy is also struggling to live chastely but is still seeking his wife. The difference is where each man is destined, a life in marriage or a life in lies.

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