Saturday, 14 January 2017

IRISH INDEPENDENT

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Gay dating site cleric in ‘sex assault’ claims


A MIDDLE-aged man has claimed he was sexually assaulted on Catholic church property by a young cleric he met through a gay dating site.
The allegations come in the wake of the Maynooth seminary scandal last year.
It is understood Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin has been made aware of the allegations. The Garda’s sexual assault unit has also reportedly been informed but cannot launch an investigation until the alleged victim comes forward.
It is alleged the young member of the clergy first met the individual in 2015 on a website which is geared towards those interested in mature men. In his profile, the young cleric expressed a preference for men aged between 50 and 90. The man alleges he visited the cleric at a presbytery in 2015 and stayed overnight. He claims he was sexually assaulted here.


The man, who is described as a rural-based professional, this week informed an inside source in the church of what had occurred in the Catholic presbytery. He has not yet approached gardaí as he is fearful the young cleric would tell others he was gay.
The source expressed concern that the young cleric, who took a vow of celibacy in recent years, “may do this [sexual assault] again in the future”. The source told the Irish
Independent he had this week emailed all the relevant information to Archbishop Diarmuid Martin. He also spoke to Dr Martin twice by telephone, once on Tuesday and again on Wednesday evening.


The Irish Independent asked the Archbishop if he was aware of the allegations. However, , no response was forthcoming.
The allegations come as the Archbishop lands in Rome ahead of the Irish bishops’ ad limina visit to the Vatican.
A MIDDLE-AGED man has claimed he was sexually assaulted on Catholic church property by a young cleric he met through a gay dating site.
It is understood that Archbishop of Dublin Diarmuid Martin has been made aware of the allegations.
The gardaí’s sexual assault unit has reportedly also been informed but cannot launch an investigation until the alleged victim comes forward to them.
It is alleged that the young member of the clergy first met the individual in 2015 on the site which is geared towards those interested in mature men.
In his profile, the young cleric expressed a preference for men aged between 50 and 90.
The man alleges he visited the cleric at a presbytery in 2015 and stayed there overnight.
He claims that he left to go to bed early, and was later awoken by the cleric who proceeded to sexually assault him.
The man, who is described as a rural-based professional, this week informed an inside source in the church of what had occurred in the Catholic presbytery.
The man told the source that he had not yet approached the gardaí as he was fearful that this would result in his sexuality being revealed.
The alleged victim claimed that after he tried to confront the cleric about the alleged assault, he received a number of aggressive messages from the young cleric. The man has told the source he was fearful that the young cleric would tell others that he was gay.
An inside source in the church told the Irish Inde
pendent that he had this week emailed all the relevant information to Archbishop Diarmuid Martin.
He said that he had also spoken to Dr Martin twice by telephone, once on Tuesday and then again on Wednesday evening.



Some of the material emailed to Dr Martin relates to one sexually explicit image and one facial image of the cleric which he had emailed to his alleged victim.
“I believe this young man is not suitable for priesthood,” the source told the Irish Independent.
The source expressed concern that the young cleric, who recently took a vow of celibacy, “may do this (sexual assault) again in the future”. Allegations The Irish Independent asked the archbishop if he was aware of the allegations and if he was investigating them or reporting them to gardaí.
However, despite several requests for a comment, no response was forthcoming from the archbishop.
The allegations come as the archbishop lands in Rome ahead of the Irish bishops’ ad limina visit to the Vatican, which will see all of the country’s Catholic bishops meet Pope Francis next Friday.
While a papal visit in 2018 is likely to be high on the agenda, last year’s scandal in Maynooth seminary is also likely to figure prominently.
The Pope has on a number of occasions made his concerns about priestly formation known.
In his profile on the gay dating website, which is no longer online, the young cleric describes himself as ‘versatile’ when it comes to sex. The description said that although he likes deep conversations, he also enjoys “no-strings-attached” sex “every now and then”.
Last August, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin announced he was withdrawing some of his seminarians from Maynooth after it was revealed that some trainee priests were using the gay dating app Grindr.
The latest scandal emerges as the Irish bishops signalled that they are unwilling to bring before Pope Francis calls by members of the Irish laity for married priests, despite the crisis in vocations and collapse in priestly numbers.


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172 comments:

  1. COMMENT SUBMITTED AT 12.41 AM BY AN ANONYMOUS PERSON

    "Congratulations Pat, It seems you have destroyed this young man, He attempted suicide an hour ago in a hotel beside Termini station in Rome. Well done you evil bastard".

    ???????????????????????????

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    1. IF the above is true I think it is sad.

      However it is NOT down to me.

      I warned last summer during the Maynooth crisis that if the Irish Bishops did not act decisively there would be tragedies.

      Any tragedies that might happen are the result of YEARS of neglect by the Bishops and Maynooth Authorities.

      Many lives have been ruined by Maynooth and the Bishops!

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    2. I imagine "attempted suicide" in this case would be unprotected sex in a hotel beside Rome's Termini station.

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  2. What hospital is the poor lamb in?
    Dublin PP

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    1. The Indo article makes interesting reading but the repeated use of the word alleged makes me wonder. Termini Station is indeed an area where gay folk can hook up should they choose. Attempted Suicide? Am I being cynical if I wonder if this is stage managed? Sad if true. How and why are Clerical Students in a position to rent rooms out in the community in Rome. The Indo would not publish a story unless there was substance worth investigating. The Irish Church needs to "man" up.

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  3. If my memory serves me right the Termini Station is a gay cruising area that many seminarians and priests went to for a " bit if action".

    It is also an area for cheap hotels.

    Ex Ir Coll student.

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    1. Yes. You can even rent rooms by the hour.

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      Do we have that on the best authority?

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  4. He can always get a job on sleepyboy.com

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    1. How many 50 - 90 year olds are on that site? Fr. D. Dublin.

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    2. I'm just wondering if it safe now to have my curate bringing my 89 year old Dad communion on the First Fridays? He is a little frail and might not be able to resist a 30 something year old. I used to think that priests were only a danger to our kids.

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    3. Just make sure there is no money on him or around the house and he'll be fine

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    4. ... also, make sure he has a condom.

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  5. Most of you posting here obviously have never been involved with suicide or those with suicidal thoughts. Whatever this young man has done regarding breaking celibacy we should all be mindful that he is being hounded on this site. While I feel he must take responsibility for his actions, I also feel that you Pat (and others) are responsible for vile comments about him on here. Grow up people and be mature when dealing with the lives of others.

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    1. I have dealt with suicide in my own family and for 40 years as a priest and I take it EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY!

      And what about the lives if his victims?

      Can we be told: "If you tackle me for sexually assaulting someone I will kill myself"?

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    2. The young man has destroyed himself and it seems that Maynooth, the Bishops and DM did nothing to help him. He was an accident waiting to happen.


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    3. Yes and there are a queue of other young men in Maynooth and elsewhere whi are other accidents waiting to happen.

      The Accident Prevention Team - The Bishops and Maynooth Authorities are fiddling wile Rome burns :-(

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    4. I disagree here. I think many of these many could be good priests IF, and it is a big IF, they had proper formation. But yes, if the current situation continues, there is no hope. Why, for the love of God, will they not close that hell-hole of a seminary?

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    5. "... breaking his celibacy"

      Don't be so ridiculous. He's never been celibate in his life. LOL!

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  6. If it is true it follows from his own, Maynooth's and DM's destructive, dysfunctional actions. It was Maynooth who formed him in his adulthood. It was he who first placed photos and offers on the internet. It was DM who allowed him to continue livingba way of life that is incomparable with his chosen lifestyle.

    It is sad that his formation did not include the strength to deal healthily with the consequences, results and responsibility for his own free will.

    Also, if we take this comment on face value and assume it is true, that is a second impediment to ordination - but unlike a history of gay cruising, this is an impediment for life.

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  7. We need proof about the attempted suicide please before people start giving us morality lectures on here

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    1. Obviously MB needs all his help he can get and he should get it.

      But that "help" does not include ordination.

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    2. Hopefully a mature MB will look back at this time as the intervention of Providence that saved him from a very unhappy life that could have led him to self destruction and a even prison cell.Mary. Cork.

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  8. Could we maybe have a few Roman commentators opine on whether the story is true first?

    There is a tremendous responsibility in publishing this sort of information. It should only ever be done when the information is highly credible and verifiable. I have tackled Pat before on this website about the CC saga, which I thought was entirely bogus information about Rory Coyle, and unacceptable - whatever the man might have done, it does not mean it is open season to say whatever we like without evidence. However, this does seem to be in a different category, and from what I read in the blog, it seems that Pat has done his homework on this case.

    That said, sexual assault within a context of broader sexual consent is a difficult topic and rarely clear-cut. Is he an abuser? I don't think that has been established. And until the accuser is prepared to make a case, MB is entitled to the benefit of the doubt.

    If the story turns out to be untrue, then it is old news as we were already aware last year that sexual activity was going on, whether through one app or another it doesn't much matter.

    And if it is true that there has been a suicide attempt, then it is a time for compassion. Regardless of what he has done.

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    1. The victim is afraid to come forward because he says:

      1: He is afraid of MB.

      2. He is afraid of being "outed".

      We may not think this is good enough.

      But are we goning to blame a victim of a sexual assault for being afraid of being further hurt?

      The vast majority of sexual assaults and rapes are never reported to the police.

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  9. Yes, in this case I think it is rather different - my point is really that the onus is on the source of the story to check it before publishing (which you did in this case, though not in the case of CC). There is definitely some type of story here and a case to answer. Whether he was a victim of sexual assault or not, I don't know. But the reality now is that given that a high profile newspaper like the Irish Independent has published this story, one would think that MB's clerical career is now over. Given that, it is almost certain that he will now name the alleged victim - MB has nothing left to lose. That will help the truth come out.

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    1. MB could name a lot more people than the victim.

      The Church will try hard to contain him.

      The Irish Indo article will have been vetted by their lawyers before publication.

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    2. Yes, though as private individuals no one should be publishing anything about them, unless of course we are talking about this confreres.......

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  10. CLOSE MAYNOOTH NOW! No more excuses, no more cover-ups, no new deans/presidents etc. Just close the damn place!

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  11. In the wee hours two nights ago someone posted that he had left the Ir College. It proved to be untrue.

    In the wee hours of last night someone posted that he attempted suicide. Let us hope its another untruth in a long saga of untruths.

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    1. Agreed. Let TRUTH prevail.

      And let LIGHT shine in the DARKNESS.

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  12. Pat, what about the good men that have maybe contemplated suicide after been forced to leave Maynooth and other such cesspits?
    They should not be forgotten in all of this.

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  13. MB, having been caught out, will in all likelihood adopt the position of apoor victim who is being hounded, misunderstood...etc., and he will probably behave in a manner to show that he is wounded, hurt, feeling sorry for himself, victim...and that may include some sort of self-harm on his part. At the moment he will only see things through his own prism and see himself as the 'wronged one'.

    The earlier comment about Providence intervening is very insightful. MB should, in the fulness of time, see this intervention of +Pat, the Independent, and hopefully his Bishop, as providential and an opportunity for him to completely reassess what he is about and move on to a more positive and fulfilling life. It may well not be the life he has envisaged for himself, but God's plans for us so often do not align with our plans for ourselves. It is only by letting God's plan take charge that we can hope to be happy.

    So, I see a great deal of positive in amongst all of this scandal and hurt on all sides. I hope that the boil has been lanced in the case of MB and that he can move on. His Bishop will need to be wise, kind but firm in helping MB move forward.

    In the meantime, I suggest we give him a chance, and let things quietly take their course. I think +Pat has done a good job in bringing this to the light, and had done a service to MB, but maybe now is the time for a bit of silence.

    As for the other victim who has been mentioned anonymously in this episode, it is for him to decide if he wishes to formalise his alleged complaint. He may well decide that he has had enough, and wishes to let it lie, and he may decide that he does not want to heap more trouble on MB, particularly if he sees that MB's Bishop takes the matter in hand and directs things positively and for the better.

    A great deal of responsibility now lies with Archbishop Martin of Dublin. He has the lives and the futures of MB and the alleged victim in his hands, as well as sending out very important messages about how the Church sees all the issues in this case. I am hoping he is going to act with decisiveness, but with love and with mercy for all. Only in that way will this matter be resolved for all concerned, lessons learned, lives recreated and good come out of bad.

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  14. The alleged victim would be laughed out of court.

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    1. For being raped? Who would laugh at a rape victim? A Bishop? A Priest? A Seninarian?

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  15. Pat the article noted that the victim tried to confront Micheal a number of times and he got threating messages back. Did you see the messages and could you comment on it"

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    1. When the victim challenged MB he replied:

      "YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IT" !

      Lawyers examined the evidence before publucation.

      Diarnuid Martin was given a full report by me followed up with copies of emails and photographs.

      This is, SADLY, a true story.

      It comes after years if complaints and reports to the Irish Bishops and the Maynooth Authorities.

      Buried bombs often explode.

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    2. Your right Pst, maybe in the future you could address how many young seminarians were assaulted or groomed whilst on pastoral work by older clergy! Just a suggestion

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    3. People are suggesting I write a book about the sex lives of Irish clerics.

      I think I will.

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    4. On the back this could I make an additional suggestion? Cover each of the colleges and and speak with ex-students covering a number of decades. I always joked that I would write a book. You could also address how older gay clergy deal with loneliness and its impact on their mental health and how they minister to the people. There is so much you could look at

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  16. Ha ha ! Just had a look at the Irish Independent site for this story.....and at the top of the headline is an advert for "Silversea Senior Cruises" ! You couldn't make it up !

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  17. Whether Fr. Stephen Crosscan recently outed snorting coke in his parochial house decorated with Nazi memorabilia after a 2 day bender with male companions or MB outed Grinding Hi Ho Silver Away for over 2 years - the real story is how could these guys - and more of them - get through the scrutiny of Maynooth which was so careful to scrutinise and quickly dump straight traditional candidates such as the good Doctor who foresaw all of this and made a complaint and was dismissed, along with his witnesses. The real story is how did the Bishops and especially Diarmuid Martin do nothing for 10 years past and even last summer did nothing when evidence piled up? Why are the Irish Bishops protecting a vicious gay circle in Maynooth? Why?

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    1. Two words spring to mind 'skeletons' and cupboards.'

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  18. Who is Diarmuid Martin really? Who is the media darling who is signing off even now on out of court settlements with non-disclosure agreements in the Dublin Archdiocese to keep issues quiet? Who is the person who has kept quiet about Maynooth for the 12 years of his rule in Dublin? Who is the man who has himself dismissed straight candidates for priesthood and yet given ample second and third chances to gay candidates who have been on gay dating sites? Who are you really, Diarmuid, that you have been paralysed when it comes to Maynooth and gay goings on in your Arsediocese? Will you fanny your way out of this latest mess with media friends giving you an easy out? Will the usual cover up continue ad nauseam? I hate to say, it will indeed.

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  19. Why doesn't a journalist ask the Archbishop of Dublin how many out of court settlements allied to binding non-disclosure agreements he has signed off on since his investiture in 2004? The answer will show what Diarmuid has really been up to in between press interviews.

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    1. Why not ask the total amount of cash paid in out of court settlements in the Dublin Archdiocese to buy silence since Diarmuid took over in 2004? Why buy silences Diarmuid? What's to hide?

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  20. I have words to describe Dermo and the other bishops: buffoons, clowns, minimal cognitive/sensory activity; merciless,obdurate as rhinos, cowards, spineless, proud as peacocks, idiots - and maybe, indeed, evil?

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  21. I have heard MB was at breakfast this am at the Irish College, looking well and met DM yesterday evening.

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  22. What's the difference between Sean Brady seeking non-disclosure agreements from complainants and Diarmuid Martin doing the same? Is there any difference?

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  23. Comment last night totally made up and not true.
    MJB is alive and well and had a grin on his face this morning.

    Long live the king of Maynooth and the swingers

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    1. Good that the news posted at the top is not true but I hope when +AB DM meets him - he will tell him that honestly he can not ordain him to the priesthood

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  24. Lets just hope we see some light at the end of this week - the men in purple are in Roma, if the catholic church in ireland is to conintue , it happens over the next week. Paddy power offering odds of 1/2000000 of nothing happening and business as usual

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  25. Does Charlie Brown go to Rome with the Irish lads this weekend for the ad limina visit?

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  26. Another interesting article from the Irish Independent today http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/its-clear-the-priesthood-as-a-celibate-profession-is-broken-how-the-bishops-handle-that-will-seal-the-vocations-fate-35367205.html

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  27. How issues are framed and the extent to which they are given airtime serve to shape the salience and interpretations of such issues and affect the criteria used by audiences in their evaluation”. If something is repeated often enough, people will believe it.

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  28. It is ridiculously irresponsible of the Irish Bishops to go to Rome and not tell the truth ! They have to be courageously open about the state of the Church in Ireland. And one huge difficulty they have is the state of the clergy, both in terms of its ageing and declining numbers and the candidates who are, or who are not in most cases, coming forward. As well as how the current system of training candidates is woefully lacking and does not properly equip candidates for the unreasonable life they are expected to lead.

    I am sure a majority of the Irish Bishops, as will most bishops in most countries with a realistic grasp of reality, realise that mandatory celibacy is simply not working, indeed it is in many respect doing grievous damage to priests, to the laity, and to the Church. Why, oh why, would they simply not say that to the Pope and to the Church ? They should say it, and be damned as to what happens. What does it matter if they fall out of favour in Rome, or have their own careers capped ? They have been called to leadership, and leadership requires them to be faithful to their consciences and to speak the truth to power.

    They need to get some balls and tell the truth. But, will they ??????

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    1. The Bishops are not interested in the priests or the laity. They are only interested in pleasing Rome. The rest of us don't matter. They just think that we should foot the bill.

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    2. Homosexuals are over-represented in the CoE clergy who have their own problems of sexual crime and misconduct, the German Lutheran Church cannot attract candidates for their seminaries. So, all we need is married priests eh? Sorry think again.

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    3. Married priests isn't the answer to all the problems but it would be a start. It would mean a lot of priests who left to get married could return. It is a healthier framework socially, mentally and physically than mandatory celibacy creates. Celibacy is only managed successfully by a handful. For the rest it is psychologically damaging. Really, what point does it serve?
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  29. Charlie Brown - a North American College clone, boy next door, butter wouldn't melt in his mouth......there are hundreds of them up on the hill in the NAC, lookalike clones who can quote you Denzinger-Schonmetzer (ah, happy days !) and Vatican documents, but just don't get where the Church is at on the ground. And these are the guys who eventually become Bishops and Vatican bureaucrats and have a big say in what goes on and how things are done. I think Francis needs to 'drain the swamp' and ensure that they people who lead us in the Church come out of a more normal, healthy and stable background.

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  30. Pat you are so right about sexual crimes going unreported. A 49 gay male friend of mine made the mistake of meeting a 25 year old. Arranged via grindr. He went to the younger man's house, where he was the victim of a serious sexual assault. The perpetrator was back on his phone browsing grindr. Although the victim knows the full name of the man, he won't go to the cops. Embarrassed about the age gap and the cirumstances in which they met; would out himself; couldn't face cross-examination in court with a jury etc looking at him.

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    1. There have been several murders in the UK where the murderer and victim have met on Grndr. The anonymous sex of which homosexuals have been historically so fond was always very risky but this is really 'asking for trouble'. Those using it are obviously to addicted that they can't help exposing themselves to the enormous risks involved. Its use is a clear sign of addiction/emotional problems which are often a mark of the homosexual personality.

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    2. Are those factors really a "mark of the homosexual personality"? Or might they be a consequence of how heteros have historically made gays feel about themselves?

      And what is a "homosexual personality"? Is there a heterosexual personality?

      Sorry, chum, but your comments present you as a homophobe.

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    3. No, chum, I'm a realist. Just look at the stats for goodness' sake. More suicides, more addiction, more physical and mental illness, shorter life-spans. I'd rather my sons smoked 80 a day.

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    4. Did you bother to think about my comment? I know WHAT the 'stats' say about gays, but do know WHY they say these things? Clearly, you don't. So, no, you are not a realist.

      These 'stats' present symptoms, not causes. For example, suicidal ideation and attempts, and actual deaths from suicide are proportionately higher among LGBT teens; the 'stats' record this fact, but not why it is a fact. This demographic does not experience a higher incidence of suicide through some deep psychologial malaise within homosexuality itself, but because they are more likely to face bullying from 'straight' peers.

      You, I and others should take our cue from Pope Francis and apologize to gays for the terrible harm our attitudes, words and deeds have caused them.

      Homosexuality is not 'intrinsically disordered'. Nor is there such a thing as a 'homosexual personality'. You sound as 'clued up' on the subject as that Teutonic idiot, Ratzinger. There are just personalities.

      Yes, you are a homophobe.

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  31. If this Byrne fella is on front of the Indo today then he's f**k*d. Unless, of course, he has some pretty high profile "silver daddy" notches on his bedpost. Either ways, we are all f**k*d. What a shambles and complete farce.

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    1. If the independent stuck his picture on their front page with his mickie in one hand and an ice-cream in the other, you can be sure a statement from Maynooth would declare it a misunderstanding.

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    2. In all seriousness, DM thought he was licking an icecream.

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    3. I totally agree with you 15:07. The current Maynooth hierarchy members are the biggest bunch of liars ever assembled and given a position of authority in this State.

      I repeat, they are inveterate LIARS and are producing nothing good but only more of their kind.

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    4. 15:07 laughable but sadly also true.

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  32. After this fiasco, will heads roll in Maynooth? The formators must share some responsibility in forwarding him to the diaconate. It doesn't say much about their judgement or indeed themselves.

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  33. So MB was in Bray on what I assume to be a pastoral placement. Then he was left on his own in the presbytery (since Silver Daddy stayed all night)? What happened to the priest who should have been living there? Sounds a bit odd to send someone on a short pastoral placement then leave the parish? So if MB really invited Silver Daddy to the presbytery, and Silver Daddy stayed all night, does that not indicate that MB was very comfortable with Silver Daddy in that he was disclosing his identity? And wasn't Silver Daddy very comfortable to stay the entire night? I have to say that I think there might be another 'side' to the Silver Daddy story and that Silver Daddy might just be stretching his tale of woe a little bit.....I'm sure what they say about a woman scorned applies to Silver Daddies too....

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    1. The PP arranged for MB to have an appartment that the victim said was "attached to the church property".

      The victim went to Bray expecting a cuddle or "vanilla" type intimacy.

      He says he retired the first and was later joined by the other gentleman who not vanilla orientated - at least on that particular evening.

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    2. Yeh but he must have known MB fairly well. Because if it was just a random hook-up, there would have been (1) no overnight stays and (2) it is unlikely MB would be disclosing that he lives in a presbytery. Of course, that is not to say that nothing happened - just that it is odd if the story is that this was a hook-up off Silver Daddies.

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    3. I have to say it does have a whiff of 'a woman scorned' about it and I'm a woman! I've no experience of Grindr (being a hetero woman) but from what I have learnt here, most using it are looking for sex. Obviously only the two of them know the exact circumstances and whether it was made very clear that the mature man did not wish to take things further. Staying the night seems an odd thing to do if that was the case. As a woman I would not have done that as part of removing temptation, risk and misunderstanding. But I don't know all the circumstances...

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    4. What is "vanilla type intimacy"? Anyone?

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    5. @ 20:24

      Its the opposite of chocolate and pecan.

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    6. 'Chocolate and pecan'?

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    7. If they met on a website which included details of what the younger man wanted, it should be easy to verify from the information published there by the alleged victim what he also was interested in, and whether it corresponds to his subsequent claims.

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  34. I imagine you bishops will be extremely angry with Byrne for all this unwanted attention before you head off to Rome, but before you all point the finger at him, take a good look at yourselves.

    How many of you publicly supported Maynooth over the past year (and more), dismissing the claims about a homosexual subculture?

    How many of you stood by Connolly, Mullaney, Prior and Collins, just because they're your friends? Classmates? Or because you were the ones who appointed them in the first place?

    Do you STILL support the seminary? Do you STILL support Connolly and Co.?

    How many of you hid behind the rest of the episcopal conference, knowing that there were problems but were too cowardly to stand up and do the right thing?

    How many of you have ordained men you knew to be unsuitable candidates?

    How many of you have covered-up for your priests' sexual perversions? Paid hush money?

    How many of you listened to your seminarians when they raised concerns about Maynooth?

    How many of you dismissed good men when they raised issues? Donal McKeown!

    How many of you currently have homosexual seminarians and don't care what they're up to, unless they're caught? How many of you protect homosexual seminarians even after they are caught?

    How many of your vocation directors are homosexual? How many good men have they dissuaded/blocked over the years?

    How many of you truly care about vocations? The fact is young men are put off even considering a vocation because under your watch the priesthood has become a gay profession.

    Are any of you homosexual? Have any of you got skeletons in your closets that prevent you from speaking out?

    You bishops have caused this situation! YOU and YOU ALONE are responsible Gaynooth! It's time to stand up and do the right thing before you spend an eternity in hell!

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  35. Pat,it's incredible how good seminarians are kicked out of Maynooth for been to "rigid" yet the two guys that were caught in bed together last year are still I presume in maynooth. A thorough investigation of that incident last year must be undertook again and the guy that was kicked out must be readmitted. This case today proves that serious cover ups have taken place. Please gay seminarians leave the seminary ye are destroying the church and ye are destroying good and holy vocations by allowing people to be kicked out of seminary by denying what ye did. Get a conscious ye wicked wicked men.

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    1. I'm a gay celibate seminarian. I should be kicked out? really?

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    2. Yes, the gay celibate seminarian, you too should be kicked out. Really. Because you know the present Pope has said that gay men should not be ordained because the orientation is objectively disordered. And there you are, lining yourself up. Its called hypocrisy to preach for a church which has disqualified from the role. Hypocrisy and schizophrenic.
      Definitely. Out.

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    3. The people who were kicked out were not angels. They were kicked out for a good reason. They were bad people who should never be priests.

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    4. Depends! Are you one of the effeminate, bitchy, gossips that run around telling tales and spreading lies? If so, yes! You're as bad as a sexually active gay seminarian.

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    5. Take extreme comfort in the fact that you are an entirely unique specimen in Kildare in your attachment to celibacy and are to be admired and supported.

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    6. Good for you, 17:06.

      Ignore those others: they are haters and homophobes.

      Seek God's grace daily to combat temptation.

      Cultivate a daily prayer life, both formally (traditional prayers, like rosaries, etc), but also informally, by, for example, just remembering God's constant presence. It will help if you use plural pronouns, like 'we' (instead of 'I') and 'us' (instead of 'me').

      You have my wholehearted support.

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    7. 17:28 said: "The people who were kicked out were not angels. They were kicked out for a good reason. They were bad people who should never be priests."

      Care to elaborate and name yourself or are you just content to sit behind your anonymous comment and judge?

      And yes I'm anonymous, but I'm not making comments about individuals!

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    8. No one likes a snitch. He'd be better off joining the Lefebvre queeers.

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    9. Lmao hilarious! Is this one of the Maynooth "queeers"? You better be careful there's another story about to break! Keep watching!

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    10. The 'rigid' three were bullies and I was witness to the bullying. They had to go.

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    11. Surely you anonymously using a blog to brand three people "bullies" is in itself bullying? The three can be identified but you can't be?

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  36. ***sexually active gay seminarians*** [for the 1000th time]

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  37. As someone commented earlier, Archbishop Martin has nailed his colours to the mast in appointing a pillar of Maynooth Formation and Seminary Council to the role of Vocations Director in the Archdiocese of Dublin. He has clearly stated his opinion of Maynooth by appointing one of its former top guns to a central role in the Archdiocese - don't you get it? He will not be pushed.

    Pat, you should explain for the uninitiated and possible journalist readers that dismissing an ordained Deacon is neither instantaneous not easy.

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    1. A deacon can be disnissed. But he remains a deacon unless released or dismissed from the clerical state.

      I know a few such dismissals.

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    2. NEW INFO IN FROM ROMAN SOURCE:

      before sending G to room DM interviewed him one to one. He put allegations to G who denied everything.DM then asked G if he would mind his phone being examined - G called his bluff and said of course not taking phone out and passing it to D. D then said its ok that won't be necessary. After meeting G was boasting to friends how he got one over on AB.


      SEE. MANUPULATOR.

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    3. That is not true. lol

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    4. How many phones, tablets, lap tops has MB?

      Could DM be that stupid / gullable?

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    5. NEW INFO FROM DUBLIN PRIEST WHO CLAIMS MAYNOOTH COUNCIL WANTED TO DISMISS MB BUT

      Seminary council in Maynooth had asked archbishop for G to leave because they thought he was too immature. Loud argument was overheard by several people one day between member of seminary council and a priest from Dublin. Dublin priest was heard to say words along the line of "let me make it very clear the archbishop is not suggesting you keep him (Georgeous) he is TELLING you that you will be keeping him"


      WHATS DM' GAME ?????

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    6. "Don push me!"

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    7. Pat, DM is skating on very thin ice at this stage. His politicking and games are not fooling the media anymore, as evidenced by Sarah McDonald in today's Indo.

      DM has been playing a dangerous game since last August and now his time of running with the fox and hunting with the hounds is over. Basically, he better shit or get off the pot. People in his Archdiocese are now expecting decisive leadership and action. Not more talking out of both sides of his mouth and having his words contradict his actions at every point.

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    8. Bullsh1t. If Maynooth wanted MB out and DM wanted to keep him then;

      1: DM would have had to ordain him outside the seminary

      2: Maynooth would not have so publically and decisively punished the lad who caught them in bed

      3: DM could have quietly moved him to Rome without engaging in a public, media based argument with maynooth + other bishops last summer.

      This priest source is throwing red herrings about your blog

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    9. I agree that it is pure BS that Maynooth wanted rid of Byrne.

      Micheal Byrne like Fr Chris Derwin like Deacon Sean Jones like Marshall like McElroy and the rest are Maynooth's paradigmatic models of what a priest or seminarian should be.

      The Maynooth Mafia are doing what they do best: Lie. Deceive. Dissimulate. Confuse.

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    10. Just to clarify 18:17, Byrne wasn't one of the two caught in bed by Conan from Derry.

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  38. It's curious that Conan from Derry was kicked out last year for reporting an incident of homosexual activity in Maynooth and that exactly 10 years ago Dr. Felim Donnelly for the same Derry diocese was kicked out for reporting his belief that a deep-seated homosexual ethos persisted in Maynooth. The Derry diocese seems to have failed to support some of its best candidates.

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    1. I was there during the Doc's time. Maynooth then was somewhere around a 70:30 split if not an 80:20 split, the majority being homosexual. The problem however was not the majority being homosexual, it was that a group of seminarians, who happened to be homosexual, were engaging a highly cynical and damaging culture to bully other seminarians. If you were heterosexual you were guaranteed to be a victim of it.

      Worse still, this highly cynical and destructive culture tied in perfectly with the formation methods of the pseudo-psychology seminary council.

      The culture issue had two dynamics: damaging cynicism and hostile active homosexual bullies.

      For clarity there were several perfectly nice (and chaste) homosexuals.

      CR

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    2. MourneManMichael15 January 2017 at 01:13

      Thank you for a lucid explanatory comment. It seems based on entirely rational personal information, and you are to be commended for that.
      MMM

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  39. When a seminarian of good standing went to the seminary council last year over citculating allegations that this individual and "Horny Andy" were getting steamy, the two culprits cried victims to Hughie and Co.

    The next rectors talk was about non other than "gossip" and the dangers of it and just to show whos side the seminary stood for, the two boys were running around telling everyone that the rectors talk will be on gossip.The individual who done the correct thing by reporting it was treated like he was the criminal. Where was the so called Independent Panel that seminarians could go to? It never has nor will it exist. Kangaroo court system only.

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    1. MourneManMichael15 January 2017 at 01:17

      This kind of non sequential illogical comment makes little sense, and is of very little added value to the central discussion.
      MMM

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  40. Pat, bearing in mind the number of Dublin priests who have sat opposite Diarmuid with detailed complaints and who have never received any feedback or action about these complaints, and bearing in mind the number of prominent lay people in the Archdiocese who have sat in Diarmuid's office for hours and uttered detailed complaints to him and yet have never received any verbal or written replies or action from him about their complaints, how are we as your reading community going to support you over the next few days as you suffer the disappointment of Diarmuid not acting in any meaningful way to clear out any systemic abuse in Maynooth or the Archdiocese?

    How are we to get you over your disappointment, Pat?

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  41. Any update on the sad attempted suicide story

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    1. It was a suicide wank.

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  42. Here's my tuppenceworth, Pat, about DM's game.

    I was at a dinner some time ago with a very senior Dublin priest who told me that he had been in Archbishop Diarmuid Martin's office to complain about certain goings on at St Mary's pro-Cathedral. He gave his detailed complaint and got no answer on the day "except the stare" and never heard from Archbishop Martin again to this day.

    How should we interpret this?

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  43. What a bunch of vipers that are running the church!
    Preventing good men from even getting past the initial interview and then crying to the people about the great shortage of priests!
    The whole thing has been carefully orchestrated by these vipers for at least 30 years.
    FOR GODS SAKE PEOPLE WAKEN UP!!
    The celibacy rule has nothing to do with the shortage of priests... THE GOOD MEN ARE BEEN TURNED AWAY AT THE DOOR!!!

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    1. Exactly, celibacy is not the problem. The seminary is the problem. Look to the United States, when certain seminaries were cleaned up,vocations began to grow. Teach the truth and the Lord will provide.

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    2. you see we have seminarians in Maynooth who like to act cool, pretend their one of the gang. expensive clothes, going out drinking, fornicating, bad language, cars, money and gifts. HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE.

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    3. not to mention the fact they pass you day in day out in the corridor or in pugin hall and dont bid you the time of day. I used to say hello to one fella as I used to meet him in the corridor but he never answered me so now i dont bother. lovely priest he will make. not!

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  44. As far as I'm aware and do correct me if I'm wrong, but when an allegation is made against a cleric or lay person working in the church, that individual is asked to step aside; must not perform their clerical functions and refrain from wearing clerical garb. At least thats the way it has been in the Irish church for a number of years. I know of several cases where this has happened.

    In fact I'm aware of a case in the US where a deacon was accused of sexual assault and stepped aside for a period of time. If memory serves me right, he was out of ministry for a number of years and left in limbo.

    I suspect that Archbishop Martin will ask Deacon Byrne to step aside while an investigation is carried out?

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  45. Down with this Modernistic Catholic Church & it's corrupt bastards that run that God forsaken Institution!... Christ does not dwell in Politics! Christ has not found a place in his so called "Bishops & Priests" hearts.....As it says in holy scripture & which Dom Chautard quotes excellently in his book "The Soul Of The Apostolate"... "The Lord is not in the noise"


    May Our Lady Of Fatima help these Church Baboons who only care about money & securing a high job to wake up!!!..

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    1. Totally agree!
      The Masonic plan is now complete!
      Time for Our Lady of Fatima to take over!!

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    2. Loopers, the lot of you.

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  46. MB needs to be very careful ! All it will take to call his bluff is for the Silver Daddy to go to the police and make a complaint. And then we are in the territory of sexual assault / rape, and MB will be interviewed, and then the truth with out. Then Archbishop Martin will no longer be able to keep it quiet, and it will be a matter for the police and the courts. Martin will have no option but to suspend MB without prejudice, of course ! And then it will all unravel. The police will trawl, and there may well be other instances to give credibility to Silver Daddy's account. MB could conceivably be charged, and even convicted. I think his ordination will definitely be postponed then ! I think MB needs to wise up and stop going around telling his friends he's pulled the wool over Martin's eyes. He won't be able to do that so easily to the police and the judiciary. And MB might find when he is in prison that he becomes the real victim - with a new arse hole ripped for him by some of his inmate companions, who will no doubt look forward to a breaking in a bit of new young meat like MB !

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  47. Sitting in a bishops office is of absolutely no use
    One needs to put all complaints in writing and sign and duplicate
    Send one to the bishop and others to people of influence like Higgins or Pat and also a newspaper and also a good journalist.
    Then the rot will be exposed
    I would not waste my time going into any bishops office

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    1. I would agree with avoiding Bishops offices. I.m not sure if its a case of them being busy or what, but any query ive made has never been answered. nothing serious just general enquiries

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  48. None of this can come as a surprise to anyone who has had contact with the church's inner workings and not volitionally ignored everything going on in front of their eyes.
    Beyond the usual excuses of the church being for sinners and the bishops or superiors working away behind the scenes or else knowing the whole picture, etc, etc, etc... It is very obvious that nobody gives a damn.
    My prediction is that the MOST which will happen to Byrne at this point is that his ordination will be delayed.
    Nothing will happen about the ineffectual and negligent Irish bishops. Nothing will happen about the incompetent ans damaging 'formators' at Maynooth.
    This is business as usual for the church, and nobody's interested.

    Some commenters here have criticised Pat for supposedly destroying people's faith. If what you read on this blog stops you going to church ever again, you have been worshipping the image put out by the church.

    I'm nit usually for exposing people by media but it's so obvious nothing is otherwise going to happen that I think it is necessary, just so that trusting people have a source to know what is really going on.

    Pat, I have a suggestion. I think you should publish the picture of Deacon Byrne's behind as soon as his priestly ordination is over.

    It's twisted, but DM and G have the means to stop it.

    Actually I'm still doubled up laughing at the image of DM saying to Gorgeous, 'Is this you in this picture?'

    Although I'll bet he didn't actually do that!

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  49. Are there the same problems in Oscott UK as in Maynooth ?

    What also about the Irish college and the English College - are these rampant with sex????

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    1. Yes -- as is the rampant sluttery at the Scots College at Salamanca.

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  50. Do you think that Byrne and the ArchBishop have even met on this.

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  51. DM does not care. MB's Ordination will go ahead, simple. He's looking like the cat that got the cream.

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    1. ... or in his case, Cupid's toothpaste.

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  52. Hello from Rome

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  53. From an article in the Irish Times:

    There was a sense of deja vu for Michael Byrne when he attended the seminary open day in St Patrick’s College, Maynooth, yesterday. In 2009 the then 19 year old from Donaghmede, Dublin, attended the event. Like some at yesterday’s open day, he didn’t tell his family. “I didn’t want them to know. It was a very nervous time.”

    More than 50 people attended yesterday’s open day to look at a day in the life of seminarians, listen to testimonials from priests and ask questions. Many of the men, aged from early 20s to late 40s, came alone but a few were accompanied by parents.

    Michael says he loved everything about the open day. “It helped me to decide to say, yes, I’m going to apply,” he recalls. “I could see myself studying here and being a part of the community. It just blew me away.” He is now in his second year in St Patrick’s College.

    “I’m very happy here. It can have its tough days but the better days come more often than the others,” he says.

    Happy

    “I don’t take anything for granted. I don’t say I’m definitely going to be ordained in a couple of years. But it’s wonderful, waking up every day as a part of the community. It sets a real sense of where God is in your life.”

    Celibacy is often cited as a major deterrent to becoming a priest but he says he doesn’t worry about that.

    “I worry more about being perfect because we are all called to be perfect and that’s all I try to do.”

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  54. Deacon Byrne is serving his time, we all did that in seminary. The older men showed me how to balance intimacy with spirituality.

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    1. Has the seminary taken Plato's Symposium as its model?

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    2. I suggest Pat you address DIMs time in Rome. Gives a new meaning to the word diplomat.

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    3. @ 20:38

      A euphemism for having gay sex.

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  55. Pat, how on earth did those photosgettaken
    Did the older person take them when georgous Wasn't looking?
    If he was getting assaulted Who took the photo ?
    Asked yest if there was a third Person there


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    1. You mean vanilla, chocolate and pecan.

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  56. Can DM explain his time in Rome? I'm not talking about his current trip.

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    1. Well, what do you think, Cardinal Pell?

      I would have liked to have done some tests. He is far from well.

      Unfortunately, there’s not a great deal we can do about it.

      This addiction he’s got, aren’t there any drugs?

      None that we haven’t tried.

      It’s up to him, either he builds his own defences....

      Halluciation. Is that part of it?

      It’s not symptomatic, but the gay sex could be affecting the central nervous system.

      What the devil are we going to do?

      Perhaps there is an answer. Go along with the ordination.

      WHAT???

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  57. Small fish is our Deacon Byrne

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  58. How many Dublin seminarians are there now?

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  59. Please stop harassing this guy. !he has done no wrong. A man without guile.

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  60. +Pat do you have correspondents/sources on the ground in Rome to keep us up to date with their Lordships visit with His Holiness and all the real goings on because I doubt we will get much from the mainstream media

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  61. I KNOW, on very good authority, that the bishops in the UK have turned away numerous good seminary candidates who were traditional in their views. This was done for two reasons, to create a 'progressive' priesthood (some of whom become bishops) who AND to exacerbate the shortage of priests. So then they could demand married priests and (ultimately) female priests to 'fill the gap' that they themselves created. All supported of course by priests and bishops created in their 'own mould'. I can only assume that the Irish bishops have decided on the same course to create a Church in their own image.
    SD

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    1. They're coming to take you away. Hah hah They're coming to take you away. And you'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats. They're coming to take you awaaaaaaay.

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    2. ...and, if so, it has deservedly 'come back to bite them'. Good!

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  62. Not true @ 23.04. Why would anyone want to be a priest, cleric or deacon today? There had to be some pathological or psychiatric disorder for someone to rid themselves to the delusion of god. What married man or woman would want to beg their life on a church that is so out of touch that we have 24 year olds needing sugar daddies? Amen. ENOUGH

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    1. Stockholm syndrome.

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  63. SD, you are exactly right and this is the crux of the problem. The sexually permissive environment in Maynooth is not the problem in itself - it is the symptom of theologically liberal clerics who seek to conform the Church to the world, to introduce the smoke of Satan and who seek to undermine the Gospel by preaching as doctrine the precepts of men. They are the neo-gnostics who know better than those rigid traditionalists and orthodox Catholics who cleave to an orthodox understanding of doctrine (while ironically being maligned as effeminate because of their emphasis on beauty in the liturgy by those in favour of the anthropocentric feminised modern liturgy which has driven men away from Mass in droves). These problems are not unique to Ireland - we are in the Fourth Great Crisis of the Church after all - but we know that in the end truth will prevail. As the experience of the mainline Protestant ecclesial communities shows, liberalism is the recipe guaranteed to bring a denomination to a swift demise. And so it unfolds in Ireland. Only a return to the true Catholic faith as taught by the perennial magisterium is of use to solve this crisis; the Irish bishops do not hold that understanding of the faith and so we suffer.

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    1. Oh, you absolute, draconion fool! Don't you know that it was out of the 'traditionalist' (pre-Vatican 11) church that all these evils emerged. And you would have us return to it?!!!!!

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    2. That is false on a number of counts, Anon.00:11. Firstly, there is no "pre-Vatican 2 Church" and no "post-Vatican 2 Church". Secondly, abuse or abuses within the Church are not because of a "traditionalist" Church - no more than rampant liberalism post-Vatican 2 has solved abuses. Yes, it is true that there was clerical abuse pre-Vatican 2, but even in the 11th century St. Peter Damian was taking action against corruption in the Church - it is nothing new, and it is too simplistic to say that it occurs because of traditionalism. However, it is undeniable that there has been a severe laxity in Catholic teaching in Maynooth going back to the late sixties in particular, followed by the Ledwith era, major issues with homosexual seminarians, and now problems with a homosexual subculture as well as teaching which is not in conformity with Catholic doctrine. The system which has prevailed in Maynooth over the past five decades has led to the formation of many priests who are immature, poorly formed humanly and theologically, and who are men of the world. I suppose you'd blame the "traditionalist pre-Vatican 2 Church" for bishops and priests covering up abuse? Well, haven't our liberal "post-Vatican 2" bishops done a mighty fine job of reversing that trend, particularly with regard to Maynooth! It's easy to blame the past and to blame traditionalism, but all that is doing is letting the modernists off the hook and perpetuating the problems.

      Personally, I would rather a priest who is traditional - who teaches the authentic Catholic faith, who tries to be holy, who has true concern for the spiritual well-being of his parishioners, and who believes in the Holy Mass. While some on this blog are taking jibes at traditional and orthodox Catholics and seminarians, I can tell you that the Grindr's we've seen on this blog - King Puck, Gorgeous and Derwin (not to mention their wonderful formators) - were no traditionalists! Look where that has gotten us...

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    3. Traditionalism does partly explain the evils that emerged well before Vatican 11. Traditionalism equates with patriarchy and clericalism: it is the liturgical (and to some extent doctrinal) manifestation of the other two. It represents a clerical hierarchy which demanded unquestioning obedience; in 1905 or 1906, the papal encyclical, "Vehementor Nos" made it clear to the laity that their role in the Church was purely a submissive one: to allow themselves to be led by the bishops through the priests.

      Under this system of governance, control of the laity was exercised through fear of damnation. As NO human being (including popes) is the "way, the truth and the life" expecting absolute obedience to a human being (or group of such, the bishops) provides the perfect opportunity for the "smoke of Satan" to enter the Church.

      00:11 is absolutely correct and you are wrong. The Church before Vatican 11 expressed much more strongly this hierarchical model of church which greatly facilitated evil's entry.

      CHRIST himself made it clear the model of church he wanted: servanthood. After the first century, this model was gradually replaced with a more authoritarian and clericalist model: the hierarchical Church. This process, of ecclesial decay, was heightened under Constantine, when Christianity became the religion of the Roman Empire.

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  64. Pope Francis has been VERY VERY active on Grindr

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    1. Cardinal Burke, it's way past your bed time!

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    2. I know!!!!!!!! He pesters me for explicit pics. (Scream!!!!!!!)

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    3. Pope Francis is excited for DMs private ad limna party with MB

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  65. At these wee hours on the last two nights lies have been posted, first that MB had left the Irish college and then last night that he attempted suicide. What should we expect tonight?

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  66. I can't believe the conspiracy theories about a Masonic plot to infiltrate and destroy the church, nor that this is part of some final upheaval in the end times.
    But surely the bishops are acting as if they don't want priests?

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  67. They just want company men, men who will keep a secret, keep their secrets. A good man who demonstrates willingness to whistleblower anything could whistleblow everything so they will get rid. A genuine seminarian will fight for better standards and whistleblow do the numbers succeeding are few.

    Remember, if the active homosexuals are being ordained today then then were ordained in the past too. There must be bishops who are/were active homosexuals in seminary. They will protect their own either to stay active or to keep their past covered.

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  68. Arlene's on fire15 January 2017 at 19:27

    Has Archbishop Martin ever served in a parish, and for how long? Same question about the Archbishop of Dublin.

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