Thursday, 19 January 2017

THE LAVENDER MAFIA




THE POLISH PRIEST Father Dariusz Oko is talking about the LAVANDER MAFIA in the Catholic Church - the cardinals, archbishops, bishops, priests and seminarians who form this mafia.

Here on this BLOG we have been dealing with the IRISH LAVENDER MAFIA - gay cabal in MAYNOOTH and their priests friends in Dublin and throughout Ireland.

We have also been dealing with THE IRISH BISHOPS  who have failed to sort out THE IRISH LAVENDER MAFIA in Maynooth and in their own dioceses.

One such bishop is ARCHBISHOP DIARMUID MARTIN - DUBLIN and in particular the case of Deacon Michael Gorgeous Byrne and the gay priests he is secretly moving around Dublin Archdiocese.




The other is ARCHBISHOP EAMON MARTIN - ARMAGH and in particular his the case of Father Rory Coyle.




AND ALL THE IRISH BISHOPS - in the case of LAVENDER MAYNOOTH.

REMEMBER:

1. We are not being critical of gay / straight bishops, priests and deacons who observe celibacy.

2. We are not even being critical of gay / straight bishops, priests and seminarians who have one discreet settled partner.

WE ARE BEING CRITICALK OF:

1. We are being critical of the JACK THE LAD guys who have the sex life of rabbits - pretend to uphold their Church's reaching on sexuality - and tell other people how to live their lives. 

2. The harassment of seminarians who want to be celibate or who are heterosexual.

3. Bishops covering up for those who misbehave and getting rid of those who behave.


WARNING - FATHER OKO:




I watched Father Oko on the Church Militant website and while he paints a good picture of the LAVANDER MAFIA he says things that I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH.

He associates "gay" and "paedophile" which is ABSOLUTELY WONG AND UNJUST.

Being gay is being sexually attracted to one's own sex - end of story.

Being a paedophile is being sexually attracted to children, young and under age people - end of story.

The two terms should not be used together.

Read / listen to Father Oko with your CRITICAL FACULTIES SWITCHED ON.

KRAKOW  - Polish priest Fr. Dariusz Oko sat down with Michael Voris in December 2016 to discuss the crisis of homosexual clergy, a problem that continues to afflict the Catholic Church.
Best known for his 2012 blockbuster exposé "With the Pope Against the Homoheresy," which offered frank discussion of the homosexual infiltration of the clergy, Fr. Oko continued the theme in his interview with Church Militan"There is a gay mafia inside the Catholic Church," he said. "They create these informal unions and they infiltrate the Church." 
He also confirmed that this infiltration reaches the highest ranks. "There is most definitely a problem with homosexual bishops in the universal Church," he commented. "Pope Benedict dethroned 70 such bishops worldwide who either covered up pedophile priests or who themselves were active in homosexual relationships."
He noted the examples of Polish archbishops Josef Wesolowski and Juliusz Paetz, who turned out to be sexual predators, as well as Cdl. Keith O'Brien of Scotland, forced into retirement by Pope Benedict XVI because of a homosexual scandal.


He continued;
The Lavender Mafia want to have a comfortable life. They don't want to do battle with anyone who threatens their position. That is why they will compromise on almost anything. There are atrocities being committed against young men in the orders, especially the Franciscans and the Dominicans, who are molested by their superiors, and they are told to shut up by their bishops. Archbishop Paetz is a perfect example. This is extremely atrocious because a lot of these young men are very dedicated and orthodox. They love the Church and want to serve the Church. On a psychological level, their whole world can be devastated by such an act. They can literally go crazy. They could have been great brothers in the orders and great priests but they end seeking psychological help. They are a wreck, basically.
In spite of the evil, Fr. Oko is reminding the faithful we have a duty to fight for Holy Mother Church. "[It] is basically a Mystical Body being attacked by a cancer, and it is our role to defend the Mystical Body from this cancer."
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NEW PIC - THE ARMAGH SEMINARIANS GO KARTING CLUB:

Celebrating the birthday of Thomas "Bean Pole" Mc Hugh.





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RORY COYLE'S REPLACEMENT IN ARMAGH PARISH;

AMY has replaced Father Rory Coyle in Armagh Cathedral Parish with Fr Peter Kerr.



157 comments:

  1. we are not even being critical of gay / straight bishops, priests and seminarians who have one discreet settled partner.???? Really
    I actually thought you were doing a good job here but after reading that Shite Im done

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    1. For ever there have been good priests everywhere who have had a relationship with one other - their housekeeper etc.

      Because of human nature - and compulsory celibacy being a BAD man made law that will always ve the case.

      Surely you can distinguish between a good / needy human being like this and a priest on the internet looking sex and having 500+ sexual partners during his life?

      Celibacy must become optional.

      You will then get priests who love one person.

      And you will get others - like the Maynooth Lavender Cabal who will use priesthood for getting all the sex they can.

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    2. The church needs to de-sexualise. Its so easy to keep it sleazy than the true gift of God that it is.
      The bums in the pews have to be led by clergy who are happy and open about their sexuality. I'd rather have a priest, nun, brother, pope, sister say that God made me I'm his miracle alone and I am a sexual person in whatever way that makes them feel loves. Big Hank

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  2. Ex-Armagh parishoner.19 January 2017 at 06:19

    Some crew there. Brendan Marshall at the extreme left, the gossipy deacon is next to him.

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    1. Stop anonymously attacking people!

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    2. That's the problem with this blog. Full of nameless accusations and innuendoes. No proof of wrongdoing required to blacken someone's name. In the interests of justice you need to stop this Pat!

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    3. Priests and seminarians need to keep their zippers shut.

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  3. To give this discussion an historical perspective, roll back the curtains of time by around 185 years to another commentator, a 'radical' of his day, who like Bishop Pat identified grave flaws in clerical training and pin-pointed those hiding under a black cloak of outward decency:
    "...many have looked upon the clergy as a privileged and enviable caste, living on the proceeds of the altar, as an upper class, like any other highly placed laymen... How shall we begin to teach and train... pupils who come to the Church's school so full of themselves, lacking as they do the very first rudiments...such men do not even bring a definite idea of what is meant by a clerical temper, they do not know what they seek in seeking to become priests... We cannot build where there is no solid foundation, especially where the instruction of the Catholic priesthood is in question...Here is the reason why the pupils of the sanctuary enter there with such a lack of the true Church temper or rather with secular views which they have contracted...and with those views a worldly mind which can hide itself under a black cloak and accompany outward decency of life. Thus it escapes the notice of those in authority..."
    The same commentator offered his solution to the defects in clerical education:
    "In the early ages of the Church, the Bishop's house was the seminary of his priests and deacons. The presence and the holy conversation of their superior was for them a living, constant and sublime lesson. His pious conversation taught the theory; his steadfast life of pastoral duty, the practice of religion..Almost every great bishop trained up in his own household a worthy successor, a fitting heir to his piety, his zeal, his learning..."
    In short, he said it was the personal responsibility of bishops to train their clergy within their own houses and not to outsource or delegate this task to anyone. He identified this key role as an attribute of episcopacy. This commentator, writing before the creation of the unified country we know today as Italy, was the Blessed Antonio Rosmini, and the quotations are from his book "Of the Five Wounds of the Holy Church". Athlone Andy

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  4. "There are atrocities being committed against young men in the orders, especially the Franciscans and the Dominicans, who are molested by their superiors, and they are told to shut up by their bishops. Archbishop Paetz is a perfect example. This is extremely atrocious because a lot of these young men are very dedicated and orthodox. They love the Church and want to serve the Church. On a psychological level, their whole world can be devastated by such an act. They can literally go crazy. They could have been great brothers in the orders and great priests but they end seeking psychological help. They are a wreck, basically."

    I have heard of young decent young men who were psychologically destroyed by what they experienced in Maynooth, as well as having their faith obliterated.

    It must be terrible for these guys as they have given up practically everything to follow God - chance of a good career, probably some friends and family weren't too happy, etc. Then they go into seminary and are confronted by all this lunacy and know that they are surrounded by lethal liars, hypocrites and worse. They know and are told that their bishops are a waste of time and have/will do nothing about their concerns. It must be a very lonely and deeply frustrating place; they have given up everything to follow God and find the place where they thought they would be formed after the heart of Christ an absolute hell-hole. Then one must start doubting the claims of the Church, God's grace and goodness, etc. It is no wonder that some of these men lose their psychological balance. They probably leave the seminary disillusioned or are kicked out, and the world just doesn't make sense to them anymore.

    May God have mercy on the Bishops and Seminary Council here.

    It is apparently clear at this stage that the two Martins are the main commanders of the Lavender Mafia.

    The Irish church is heading for complete annihilation and oblivion.

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    1. I could not have reflected better on my experience of Maynooth. For every year spent in there it took two more to recover, and at that the scar tissue will remain for life.

      Compounded by the fact that the Director of Formation, Donal O'Neill couldn't even discern his own vocation - only to subsequently leave the priesthood, while Hugh Connolly admited they got it all wrong but will only apologise in person without reporting the mistake to the trustees in order to be accountable and transparent. There is neither healing nor reconciliation after this man's mistakes, or those of the seminary council.

      Does it destroy faith? My experience is that Maynooth simply cannot be reconciled with the faith. I distinguish Maynooth from what is taught and what I believe.

      Did we give up good careers? Yes. And while we can build a good career we did loose a key foundation period for careers so we are left somewhat behind peers.

      Are the Martin's the key commanders? Nope, they just buy into it. The truth is that the bishops are by-in-large just useless because they are leaderless and find excuses to remain within their own silo of activity. Maynooth is not their individual responsibility so they take no individual responsibility for it. They will talk about a particular seminarian, but they do not talk to the individual seminarian.

      It is quite simply put that if you are not ordained you have no opinion; if you are ordained you have little opinion; and if you are ordained and in favour you have free reign without regard to the Church's teachings.

      There is some comfort in seeing Maynooth for what it is and knowing that I didn't fit in. Had I gone there and bought into that dysfunction I may now be ashamed of myself.

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  5. Hello + Pat:

    A couple of comments, if I may.

    1. I agree there is nothing wrong with clergy /bishops who have a gay / homosexual inclination. But the fact remains, rightly or wrongly, that they are required to be celibate and promise to be so when they are ordained. So, I take some issue with your next point about not being critical of clergy / bishops who are 'monogomous', namely in some kind of settled and discreet relationship, whether homosexual or heterosexual. They too are called to be celibate and have promised to be so. So, by definition they are being somewhat hypocritical if they engage in a relationship which is counter to their promise of celibacy. I don't see that it is necessarily okay for them to do this, simply because they are not 'promiscuous'. I accept that there are definitions and degrees of relationships. I suppose that the really critical criterion is that of whetheer the relationship is sexual / genital. I guess that clergy / bishops who are in that kind of relationship are being hypocritical, whereas if the relationship is simply one of mutual support, affections, loyalty, love etc., then that relationship would seem to me to be legitimate for someone who has made a promise of celibacy.

    2. I thoroughly agree that the correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia is simply wrong headed, and should be vigourously challenged. The fact is that most abuse of minors takes place in families by family members, the vast majority of whom are their fathers and heterosexual.

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    1. In my opinion a very large number of priests and bishops are sexually active.

      If they left - and maybe they should - the priesthood / episcopate would be halved over night.

      What do people think of that?

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    2. That would be perfectly OK by me, that would clear the air and persuade people that the priest is a very special person who has given up one of the idols that can be put before Him along with power, money, pride and an easy life. Priests are meant to be SPECIAL, men apart, who will lead us to God. One truly saintly priest would convert whole cities, like St. Paul. Send us such priests, Oh Lord.

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  6. And what a gentleman man Fr Peter Kerr is.

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  7. Pat, I found myself reading this priest’s article: “With the Pope against the Homoheresy”, the article has a truth somewhere in it, but as you say he blatantly associates LGBT with paedophiles: “a perversion consisting in adult homosexual men being attracted not to children, but to pubescent and adolescent boys. It is a typical deviation related to homosexuality”. what an utterly nonsense and deeply offensive lie, I am highly involved in the LGBT community, fighting for our human rights, not for preferential treatment, but to simply be acknowledged and accepted for who and what we are, human beings who happen to be LGBT, so I can say without a doubt that HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT THE SAME AS PAEDOPHILIA, in fact statistically we are the least likely to be such.
    The Reverend Father goes on to claim that LGBT must: “relearn penance, to accept purification, to learn forgiveness”. This sounds a lot like what has been proven to be deeply psychologically dangerous, Conversion Therapy. By all means, everyone must be apologetic for their sins, we all sin, but BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN. The very fact that the Church is still equating us to paedophiles and painting us out as destined for hell shows how out of touch the Church is on sexuality and gender issues, the scientific world has proven so much of what the Church claims to be nonsense, i.e homosexuality being a disorder.

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    1. I obviously agree with all you say.

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    2. Sorry to 'burst anyone's balloon' here but the facts are that the number of homosexual to heterosexual sexual offenders is grossly disproportionate. It is a fact that about 20% of sexual offences are committed by those who comprise only 2% of the population. It does no good to ignore facts. The vast majority of offences committed by priests were against boys, those against girls are comparatively rare.

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    3. You are bursting no bubbles, you are proving yourself seriously uninformed, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. One of the world’s foremost experts on the subject of paedophilia is Dr Fred Berlin, a John Hopkins University, Maryland, professor who founded the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma in Baltimore, has proven “Paedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation marked by persistent, sometimes exclusive attraction to prepubescent children.” They say it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are stupid, than open it and prove them right.

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  8. “Homosexual ideology and homosexual propaganda” the use of these words presents a connection with the ideologies of such tyrants as Putin, whose government actively persecutes homosexuals in Russia, and encourages gangs to hunt down homosexuals and beat or kill them. It also reminds us of Adolph Hitler who rounded up LGBT and sent us to concentration camps. Yes, homosexuals received precisely the same treatment as the Jews, but when they were released they were imprisoned in their own countries, especially the UK, and completely omitted from any plaque or statue related to the concentration camps, the holocaust memorial does not once mention LGBT, and only recently has memorials been created to honour the LGBT who suffered and died. If you can call anything an ideology related to LGBT, it is that we are human beings like everyone else, and while some are heterosexual, others are homosexual or a plethora in between, but not paedophiles, so we fight to be acknowledged for who we are, and accepted like everyone else is, all we want is to be treated like everyone else, to be allowed to be celibate, or to love, to marry etc, all the things heterosexuals take for granted.

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    1. The NAZI leadership had many homosexuals among them. The NAZI's did not imprison homosexuals per se, they imprisoned effeminate males who were considered unfit to become a model soldier. Their fate, though cruel, was not 'like the Jews', many were released and there is no record of them being gassed. The NAZI's appear to have been completely uninterested in non-German homosexuals so who these non-German homosexuals who were imprisoned by their own countries is a mystery.

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    2. What utter and complete nonsense, being spouted by 13:00. The Nazi's did not imprison homosexuals, yeah read up on the history of LGBT in concentration camps, this comment shows a lack of education on the subject and the fact that you bring up closet-cases to paint LGBT as members of the Nazi party shows a bias against the truth. Now stop spouting nonsense and disrespecting the martyrs.

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  9. “It also hampers proper understanding and respect for the nature of femininity”, this claim is the preposterous, anyone related to the Feminist movement will know that LGBT are their closest allies and supporters, personally I am not for the modern hate all men form of Feminism, but I am a feminist to the core, I adore the women in my life, I work with women and we get on wonderfully, I respect them more than I can say, in many occasions they are more capable than men. I will acknowledge that the Church is correct in the idea that there are somethings men can do that women can’t, but lets face it there are things that women can do that men can’t, and indeed things that one person can do that another can’t, we are all equal and unique, and I treasure that in each individual in my life.
    "Pope Benedict dethroned 70 such bishops worldwide who either covered up pedophile priests or who themselves were active in homosexual relationships."

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  10. “They often do their best, try, and some succeed, live a decent or even a holy life. Objectively, however, it is much, much harder for them, and so they fail much more often” Here in lays the route of his nonsense, in his eyes we are subhuman, not capable of what heterosexuals can do, we cannot be Christian because of a God given sexuality, we are destined for hell, which realistically is the Calvinist heresy of predestination, some sick and twisted deity created us just to torture us, that is not the God of Abraham, that is not the Christ.
    I respect you are trying to do, when I was a seminarian I adhered to the celibacy rule, for me it was a gift, and only after I left seminary of my own accord and in good standing with the Church did I realise that it wasn’t for me, God had not given me that gift. These seminarians need to realise that celibacy is a part of the RC priesthood, and if they can’t adhere to it go somewhere else or leave, until the rule of celibacy is removed men such as Michael Byrne will continue to scandalise the church.

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  11. close the national seminary and create a model of training based on humility and holiness. I would suggest enclosure for the first nine months in a monastery or make use of holy island at St. Patrick's Purgatory, Lough Derg. No mobile telephones, limited internet access and monthly visits from family. Root these men is the foundations and sources of catholic doctrine, Christian meditation, silence and work. I suggest a culture free of clerical garb, and the avoidance of designer labels, social media and any electronic gadgets such as MP3, tablets etc. Assign each candidate to rigorous spiritual and psychological discernment with daily spiritual reading and days of abstinence and penance. TV and electronic means of entertainment should be avoided and set aside one evening per week for social gatherings free of alcohol. Feast days to be celebrated with a glass of wine. Apply monthly review meetings with the candidate and the formation team.

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    1. Many men leaving Maynooth these dsys have no spirituality. In time they cease to pray altogether and many stop believing.

      Imagine thst contradiction - a priest who does not believe in God.

      In many of these cases gay sex becomes their god!

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    2. Pat 10.24. I never believed what you said about prayer until the recent rediscovery of my Priestley vocation

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    3. For a man who does not believe in God then devoting their life to hypocrisy matters not. They get a comfortable life in all manner, except when caught out by this thread.

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    4. 11.08 A new CV version of game of thrones?

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  12. Pat, why are you posting pictures of groups of guys e.g. with thomas mchugh. This is a clear breach of their privacy. I happen to know one of them and he is a good guy. You are blatantly attacking innocent people with SOME of what you are posting.

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    1. These are pictures that are already in social media.

      I am not saying that anyone in those pictures is doing anything.

      I do think that people are interested in things like a Maynooth group going go karting for a birthday.

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    2. Did you say happy birthday to him Pat?

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  13. I love the pictures Pat, it's great to see who is in training and we have a right to see these pictures. I remember going to the boiler house between 2000-2007 and meeting many an academic teaching priest from theological colleges including the priest chaplain, a professor of moral theology and a scripture lecturer. We used to affectionately call the sauna "the vatican" or "the seminary". Do you remember when Yhe priest died in the Dublin sauna in the early 90s, apparently 5 priests were also there that night and one of them
    Anointed him. Question is where was the oil?

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    1. The Boiler House is a Dublin gay sauna - for people who do not know.

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    2. Maybe they used KY jelly to annoint him.

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  14. It would not matter if celibacy was abolished. The lavender priests and seminarians of Gaynooth would still be riding like jack rabbits. They are not suitable for priesthood - celibate or married. They are hedonists through and through. They only worship their own desires and pleasure. The Catholic priesthood in Ireland is being taken over by promiscuous, aggressive and devious homosexuals. They are being facilitated by the lavender hierarchy.

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    1. You are right. The Irish priesthood is being taken over by a superficial, non spiritual, gay sex crazed gang.

      They are being facilitated by the bishops and seminary staff.

      Maybe the Irish Bishops should wear lavender instead of purple.

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    2. Its the unsuspecting silver daddies I feel sorry for being targeted by these sex crazy seminarians who only care for gay sex; thinks about it, talks about it, and tries getting it 24/7.

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    3. In many cases the seminarians are also after the silver daddies' wallet as well.

      Nice meals out. Nice holidays. Maybe a car? etc.

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    4. These are called pursonality papas.

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  15. Big Hank is right. The church has become obsessed with sexuality. St Paul a man of his day spoke of sexuality but wanted people to be genuine in purpose. The church has wandered far from Gospel values and Christ has become a mascot. Abominations in the temple are back with us. The gocarting pic I see as harmless

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  16. Stop attacking them Armagh priests and seminarians Pat! What did they do? Why are they on here? Attack Amy !!!!!! but I know two of them and they are good men

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    1. Surely you must realuse that I am already in Amy's case?

      Of course there are "good guys" in Armagh.

      But these good guys need to let it be known that they are not happy about what the bad guys are doing to get them all a bad name.

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    2. "... I know two of them and they are good men."

      But what about the others, could be angels with dirty faces for all we know.

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  17. We want priests who can relate to us. Going gocarting or to the pub or a party in the seminary is a healthy recreation. God knows there are enough reasons for them to get out of the seminary even to hold on to their sanity

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  18. Can we say without reserve that there is no link between paedophilia and homosexuals?

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    1. Yes we can.

      Homosexuality is being sexually attracted to adult members of one's own gender.

      Paedophilia is being attracted to underage people.

      Some paedophiles are attracted to boys, some to girls and some to both boys and girls.

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    2. And then there is gerophilia - being attracted to 90 year olds like a certain deacon.

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    3. What is your definition of under age?

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    4. I'm not endorsing paedophilia here, but what is 'underage'? What a state declares, is that underage? The old adage, 'old enough to bleed, old enough to breed' would seem more appropriate for us as a species. But what about pubescent boys and homosexuality? What's the difference between having intercourse with a 18 year old boy, a 16 year old boy, a 14 year old boy or indeed 12 year old boy if he has already undergone puberty and physical change? I know I will get a lot of flak here-and it's not a position or preference I am endorsing, but if the physiological change is present, then why should state rules that say sex with a 15 year old up to 1 day before her/his sixteenth birthday is a state crime, within our state borders, but a few hours later, it is perfectly(if one can use that word), acceptable? Is it ok if I go to Catholic Italy and have sex with a girl/boy aged 14 years and 1 day, where it's legal, according to wikipedia?

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    5. The legal age set by the government in legislation is a starting point.

      In most western societies that is 16, 17 or 18.

      There are also other important distinctions - like sex with a person of authority over you like a teacher etc.

      I do understand that this is an area of some debate.

      But we need some guidelines, laws etc do we not?

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      The situation we are in is bad enough without you first stating something as fact 'Priest in my parish posing as an accountant on Tinder' and then backtracking furiously when asked a question by +Pat, telling us that actually you are only repeating what you admit to be a rumour. Did you know it to be a rumour at 1126 when you first posted? If we are to ever get this situation sorted then we need to expose truth [and we should expose it loud and clear]and not engage in rumour mongering. Refusing to dealing with anything only than what we know to be true [as far as we can honestly tell] just makes us as bad as the hierarchy - God forbid!

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  19. Priest in my parish posing as an accountant on Tinder.

    A very concerned parishioner

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    1. Where is the parish?

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    2. I didn't see it. I heard about it but I think it was a rumor.

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    3. It can't be, that's a straight dating site.

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    4. No, it can be used for anything. You identify you gender, then chose what gender or genders you are interested in. So it is not only a straight dating site.

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    5. ... and the age group goes right up to 99, so the dirty priest is bound to find a few antique dealers on there.

      He should be named and shamed.

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  20. In the Independent newspaper(UK), there is a good article by a group of retired priests. They are asking for an end to celibacy and the chronic loneliness it entails.

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    1. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/retired-catholic-priests-abolishment-celibacy-vow-germany-cologne-pope-a7534426.html

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    2. Thank you for the reference to the article in the Independent. I do not understand why celibacy should not be a personal choice, which would be made prior to ordination, nor do I understand why we cannot have female priests and bishops. Ending the celibacy rule would not, however, be a panacea for the loneliness issue discussed in the article. Married and partnered people can also live in a state of loneliness. There are many devout and highly capable religious women who would have made great priests/bishops. By excluding them from priestly ordination we have lost the benefit of a wealth of talent. Athlone Andy

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    3. Jane 11.28 it's like a bloke p ing uphill and hoping not to get wet. Rome will not respond to Celibacy in our lifetime

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  21. Why are people on here getting uptight over a simple photo of Armagh Seminarians. Pat has not said anything to accuse anyone in that picture. There are a few on there who do leave a lot to be desired, believe me. I for one want to see pictures like this as these boyos are going to be our future priests in Armagh. People jumping to the defence of certain individuals in that picture makes me question their motives. They would be better using their time to protest to Amy Martin about his inaction over rampant gay priests on his patch

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    1. Would you like if I got your ip address, found out where you live and start posting pictures of you and everyone you know on this site and any site i choose?

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  22. You seem very defensive and clearly have something to hide. I think you are one of the people in that pic.

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    1. So what if I am, it doesn't invalidate my point. An old queen taking screen shots from a guys Facebook is just weird actually.

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    2. I am not in the pic. I simply know one of the guys, who is a priest, and he is a good guy. Obviously you do the whole judged by the company you keep attitude.

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    3. The picture was not the taking screen shots by an old king, queen or prince.

      It was submitted to the Blog by an Armagh parish priest.

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    4. No one said it was taken from Facebook only you 12.43. That means you know it's on Facebook and you are privy to that Facebook page. You are one of the people in that pic and we know your from South Derry with your distraction tactics. Good try.

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  23. Maynooth was on the telly last night, with Michael Portillo visiting it for his train journeys programme. I'm sure he felt right at home. Not sure if you see it in the Free State.

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    1. Michael Portillo is married to a woman and is very straight. Your comment is slanderous.

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    2. He is married to a woman but had many homosexual experiences in his younger days, as is well know.

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    3. Rides a bicycle as well as a train, apparently.

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    4. MourneManMichael19 January 2017 at 14:48

      Far be it for me to comment positively about a (former) Tory politician, but: some years ago while in the Tory cabinet, Portillo in commenting on Northern Ireland's political woes and 'The Troubles', misguidedly used the term 'Ulster' when, of course, he was referring to Norn Iron.
      I e-mailed his office to point out the error, and was pleasantly surprised to receive a personal reply from him. Apologising, he accepted my correction entirely, acknowledged the error, and expained that in trying to avoid using the same phrase twice in succession he had mistakenly used the terms interchangeably.
      Maybe that response adds to my liking of some of his train travelling programmes, .....despite his clothing colour schemes!

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  24. Republic of Ireland
    Free state obsolete yonks ago

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    1. I think it's irony norn iron style. It's usually lost on most inhabitants of the former saorstat eireann.

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    2. Republic of Ireland is British terminology, not Irish...

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    3. It's the official description of the southern irish state. See the 1948 republic of ireland act passed by inter party government. So it's not British terminology I am afraid. Eire/ireland is the official constitutional name.this is a very educational site altogether...

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    4. Wonder if Fr X will vote DUP in the Assembly election?19 January 2017 at 14:44

      What about "down South" or the "26 counties", or to save time "the State" (eg "there's a quare rake of cars from the State in the Erneside carpark"). Are they allowed?

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    6. Down South is permitted. The State is a bit communistic and what with all of us being devout Catholics, we won't be having any of that. Republic of Ireland Act 1948 was just a description - name of state remained that set out in Article 4 of the Constitution. 1948 Act was only introduced to clarify uncertainty following the 1937 constitution as to whether or not Ireland was a republic. But if you like the irredentist overtones of the Republic of Ireland by all means use it. However, the Ireland Act 1949 clarified that in English law, the name of the state formerly known as "Ireland" would henceforth be known as the Republic of Ireland. So I'm afraid it is British terminology. Now isn't this better than fretting over King Puck in a jockstrap?

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    7. Down South is plain stupid. Most folk from Inishowen and Lifford do basis on a daily business in the 6 counties, and travel south to go there. That's why on both sides of the border in Derry, Donegal and Tyrone it is still the Free State.

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  25. That parochial house in Maynooth
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  26. 11.59
    Once you enter Maynooth
    you are public property and as such your photo can be seen anywhere
    So watch what you up to in private life
    Nice picture btw

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  27. Portillo describes himself as bisexual. Nice pic.

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  28. Admirable young men in the picture. Maynooth should print a seminarians icon calendar similar to the French rugby team

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  29. Let's see how many survive the seminary without a scandal
    ?????

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  30. 14 .16 so
    what's your prob ?

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  31. it's time to let the to let go of the MB storyline. He made a little mistake to quote the nun on Bishop Casey.

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  32. What is it about this Armagh bunch? Some seem obsessed with just dressing up, whether it's frilly lace Cotta's, frilly knickers, big collars and now go karting gear. I wonder what else they are into? Maybe leather or/and rubber. I know one individual in that pic who likes wearing ladies panties and i have a photo to prove it. It's all like a Dame Edna Show. That's the calibre of our future pastors in Armagh. They couldn't give a shite what Amy thinks this lot, they are laughing behind his back by referring to him as Amy.

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    1. Forward that picture to Pat.

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  33. There's a lovely picture of the wounded healer on the front of the irish times having a laugh with martin mc Guinness and gerry Adams. It looks like the scarlet clad cardinal is looking after the church in Amy's absence in Rome.

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  34. I had a reason to recently go on a mission with Bishop Pat my first time meeting him) that involved interviewing two people in South Derry about a brewing Armagh Archdiocese scandal. One of the people we spoke to was in Moneymore and the other in Castledawson. I had not met Pat before and I was very interested in seeing how he spoke to these two people and offered them comfort and hope. I am now a Pat "convert". PP Armagh.

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    1. Not ANOTHER scandal?! Is there to be no mercy?!

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    2. When will we learn of it so that I can start popping some Prozac to steel my nerves in advance?

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    3. Pat I thought I saw you in Castledawson last week having a snack in Ditty's Home Bakery with another person. I wanted to say hello but didn't want to interrupt.
      Curious, Hillhead

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    4. That was me :-) You should have come over and introduced yourself and said hello. If it happens again don't be so shy.

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    5. Haha now we will all be keeping a eye out in our local coffee shops to see if there's a scandal brewing in the parish :-)

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  35. I hope this is not Gaynooth related? Haven't we had enough scandal and filth. When will it ever end?

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    1. Never.Their love of men is more powerful than the cloth.

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  36. Good grief what the hell is this next scandal?

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  37. We are still talking to people. It has the makings of another clerical gay scandal. We are waiting on some paperwork and pics.

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  38. Pat, if it's what I think it is then it's going to be unpleasant . I'm surprised to be honest that you've managed to look into this so quickly. It's all coming out now and I think that's why Amy Martin got the Police to visit you - you are edging closer to the truth. Some characters within the Armagh Archdiocese should be worried - very worried.

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    1. Many of these things have been hidden for a very long and implicates so many others.

      It takes time and effort to unearth things and very often people are afraid or being bullied.

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  39. For those of us youngish priests who have kept our vows since before we entered the seminary - and believe me, it is a struggle often - it is beyond depressing and hugely demoralising. I don't think you can really understand just how depressing it is for us. A mistake, or a one off, I guess I can understand in the sense that humans fall. But what we are dealing with here, isn't a brother who has given into temptation, and whom I would try to help. What we have is men that engaged systematically in behaviour that is against what we signed up for. I don't agree that it is ok for a priest to have a sexual relationship with another man or woman in the context of a loving relationship - we made vows to God and should keep then. But there are degrees and shades of everything, and a brother in that position is in a very different situation to the people we are discussing here. For that brother, I can understand his situation and how he feels that way, even though I don't agree it is the position he should be in.

    I have one friend from seminary who had a wild life before he joined - sexually, drugs etc. All of us have sinned, but I suppose his case was a bit wilder that most. He confessed it and turned his life towards God. That is what I call the St Augustine model, and such men enrich the priesthood because they demonstrate the effects of God's grace in transforming lives. The Book of Hebrews says that we do not have a high priest (Jesus) who is unable to empathise with our weakness. The Lord Himself suffered in resisting temptation. But that must be a former life, not the life we live in seminary or afterwards. It goes for all Christians, not just priests. But it applies especially to those of us who are priests.

    Anyway, the behaviour is disheartening. And to see it endorsed by bishops who turn a blind eye while we are doing our best is pretty soul destroying.

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    1. Father, Do not lose heart. The people know a good priest when they see it. And they know the others.

      Persevere for God, others and yourself.

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    2. Well done,thou good and faithful servant - - - -

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  40. Get over the sin complex and the false teaching of prophets. We are firstly animal. As a religious, I believe the greatest sin is renouncing and repressing our sexuality. Depression and sexual repression are linked, go and have some fun. Celibacy is unnatural, why play alon?

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    1. Do you have SOLEMN vows of poverty, chastity and obedience?

      How do you square your solemn vow of chastity with your fun?

      Just interested?

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    2. I posted earlier @17:39. Maybe @17:48 you could explain your theology of sin and on what basis you arrived at the conclusion that sexual repression is the greatest sin? For me, the greatest sin is lack of love towards God and people, which I think has a pretty good basis in scripture.

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    3. YOU anon at 17:48, are the false teacher and a deviant. Your demonic and twisted "teaching" is begotten of the pit of Hell.

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    4. Anonymous at 17:48, are you Fr X?

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    5. I will pray for your soul 17:48.

      Were you by any chance taught that you are an animal in Maynooth? Sounds like you have done a stint in that menagerie which tries to present itself as a seminary.

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  41. Thanks Bishop Pat. I would love to write an open article on the theme, but that would be the end of my ministry. Diocesan priesthood is in crisis in Ireland. My own diocese is a disaster, and whenever you try to engage with some of the other priests about some of the issues, it is like they are living on a different planet. They do not see any problems. Sure they know that there will be fewer priests, but you know what response I get to that? Well sure there's fewer people coming to Mass, we don't need more. As if the priesthood were a business model of supply and demand. I blame Maynooth. They have the lowest model of priesthood. They talk massively about the idea of service - it is all you hear. But because the structure of the place is so anti-spiritual, all that ends up being is a glorified social worker. There's nothing wrong with being a social worker, but we have been called to minister God's grace and mercy, to bring hope to people, to be people of faith, of prayer - and yes, regular people too that enjoy regular things like everyone else. But that place just ends up creating this ghetto sub-culture which is just weird. I still believe there is massive spiritual hunger in Ireland, and that we can bring a lot of God to the lives of people. But that mission is hampered by places like Maynooth that are not fit for purpose. And by bishops who run the place like businesses. My bishop spends his time meeting politicians, attending civic function. When was the last time he went around his diocese, saying Mass in a regular parish church? Not for confirmation or some special occasion - just to be in contact with his flock? Never. He has literally never done it to the best of my knowledge.

    Sorry for the rant - I am beyond frustrated.

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    1. The reason they just want to form social workers in Maynooth is because of the lavender mafia. End off! A great line in Fr Oko's interview is where he said that a Franciscan priest told him that letting one homosexual into a seminary was like letting a fox into a henhouse. Maynooth is full of foxes.

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    2. I don't get the logic of that. The reason they want to form social workers is because of an insipid version of modern theology. The lavender mafia is the natural outworking of that theological worldview. As for the idea that letting a person of homosexual orientation into a seminary is like letting a fox into a henhouse, that is absurd. Many homosexual men live exemplary lives as priests, so if the response to the issues in Maynooth is a backward form of homophobic and medieval hocus-pocus based on no science, then we are going nowhere. I might be fed up with my bishop, with the issues in my diocese, and the challenges of ministry, but I haven't lost my wit or sense of fairness. I am not gay but I know priests who are, and they are exemplary - not because they are gay, but it is a mere footnote. I was lucky enough to get out of Maynooth and to Rome where at least the teaching in the pontifical universities was good, but if the other side of the Maynooth saga is that 'rigid' seminarians espouse views like this, then they are as much to blame for dysfunction as the lavender mafia (who definitely have a lot to answer for).

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      If the foxes are the gays. Who exactly are the hens?

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  42. The squaring is easy - masturbation breaks the vow, therefore why play alone. Each day can be a moment of metanoia, an Augustan moment of reconnection, I get another chance.

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  43. I believe that sin is like a muscle, to be fully repentant needs practice.

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  44. I agree with @1806 the greatest sin is withholding or absence of love, the next greatest sin is repressing sexuality.

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    1. Well so many saints have been guilty of such 'repression'. Your wisdom escaped them. Thank your for correcting them at last. To sacrifice one's sexuality is one of the most difficult and generous ways of demonstrating a love of something higher than flesh and even ancient and non-Christian religions, such as Buddhism, recognise that - ask the Dalai Lama.

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  45. My friend, I am a priest in my mid sixties, and I have advice for both men. religious why stay, what is in this for you? Young priest drop your ideals and do not miss out on this one life. The God of my youth has changed, and I do believe he would not want you to suffer like this.

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    1. Thanks Father. I love being a priest despite the frustrations I have mentioned. I do not think I am missing out on this one life; this is the life I have been called to, it is for me where happiness lies. Perhaps I am being idealistic I don't know - but my faith is in God and that is undimmed despite the mess we are in. So I might have given the impression that I am suffering, and yes in a way that is right - I am angry, frustrated and despondent about these and other issues but this is only one side of the story. These are issues of Church politics. But at the same time, my priesthood is a joy, it is not a burden for me, despite the challenges. I don't intend this to sound arrogant, but people need me - not me personally, but they need the priests that God sends - as a witness that God is there in the midst of real suffering, in the challenges of their lives, that there is hope in this crazy world of ours and that God loves them. And the satisfaction that comes from that is an amazing thing. Granted, many lay people do great work too, but the priest ministers in a particular way and I think that has a value.

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    2. Thank you, Father. The priest should be a 'man apart' a special, holy man among the throng who concentrates on achieving holiness and helping others to do so. It has been the same in so many cultures and religions and our priests actually have the power that the others claim. They are so special that we, and they, cannot perceive of their unique powers. I believe this why cannot so many of our priests?

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  46. Anybody have anything in the Domicans, Carmelites etc? Let's take the focus of Maynooth and not forget our religious cousins

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    1. No Maynooth denizen and cheerleader, we will not take the focus of the major source of putrefaction in the church in Ireland!

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    2. Don't think there is much to report from what I know., though I am sure in days gone by there would have been. I don't think the self-professed religious above is actually a religious - he sounds like an internet troll to me more than anything else. Maynooth is the crucible of all this - its dysfunction is at the root of it all.

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  47. Pat, I think you've been rattling cages in South Derry. Why? Because a number of social media accounts this evening have been and are being blocked, locked and closed down in the Archdiocese of Amy. Why do people do that? What have they got to hide. Some are vetting you before accepting you on social media as from today.

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  48. I wonder which one in the go karting pic likes to wear ladies panties as a post said on here earlier. Wonder if they are lace ones?

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  49. One person in that pic was caught a year ago with the panties stuffed under his mattress in Maynooth. He forgot to remove them during the summer and they were found. Nothing was done, it was just put down as a childish prank.

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    1. I hope they were Tridentine panties?

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    2. Name him and shame her.

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    3. He forgot to remove his panties all summer?? They must have been in some state by September lol

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  50. The innermost component of authentic religion is not certainty but doubt, so that the believer is repeatedly surprised by signs of the divine presence. Religions have been supremely adept at sidestepping, disregarding or violently prosecuting attempts to shine light on their incongruities and contradictions.

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  51. Bless you for thinking he's a troll,. I can assure you the goings on of the OPs when the students from based in the priory was truly shocking. They spent most of their time in Molloys

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  52. They probably would pass for Tridentine knickers.

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  53. Barry "the gossip and nasty cat" Matthews is in that go kart pic. Horrible vile vixen with a big mouth. It must be a thing for wearing the same shade of chinos in Armagh.

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  54. What is the update from Rome? Is MB gone? Is there a follow up story this Saturday in the Independent?

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  55. I thought that the Armagh priest was ordained and in a parish? Or is that an old photo? Once they're ordained that's it, it's easier to remove a civil servant and that's saying something!

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  56. When the bishops give out about you Pat, the new mantra for the faithful in Ireland should be, 'Je suis Buckley'

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  57. Them girls in that Armagh pic are not as innocent as they look. Panties, malicious gossips and back stabbers. There is loads more but that will probably be revealed in due course

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  58. Pat, I see someone asking us not to forget the Carmelites and Dominicans etc when talking about these clerical matters. I'm reliably told that the Special Branches of North and South Police have joined forces in a nationwide search to find a Straight Red under the age of 65 in Ireland. The search continues..... All the best Bob

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  59. I reliably informed that they are not desperate, and therefore will not be joining the Galway dioceses neither do they fill the gap with trips Stateside x

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  60. Pat- focus on the religious congregations. there's lots to chat about.

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  61. Your sources are wrong @21.33. I can name at least 14 Reds who are straight and the others are celibate and spiritual men. they live humble lives and work with the poor. They are creative in liturgy and are highly regarded for their preaching

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    2. Lies Lies Lies

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  62. Theres a 1,2 and 3 above there heads in the pic. Were the panties belonging to someone on the left or right (without naming). There are a few on the left, a few in the middle and a few on the right. Where were the panties located (in general)?

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  63. So celibacy is a bad idea? It certainly is for those who cannot 'hack it' and have submitted to ordination (they really are in trouble). If a community of several hundred people cannot provide one man who is willing to offer celibacy as a gift to God then we are all in real trouble (even the OT priests who merely offered burnt meat could restrain themselves for the period of their service). Our priests handle His real flesh and blood not mutton. If we cannot find such sacrificial men within our communities then there is no real belief and without any true belief we are in great spiritual trouble and will feel its effects.

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  64. Pat how is Michael copying with this?

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