Friday, 24 February 2017

DESMOND CONNELL - ABUSE COVER UPPER"

PAT SAYS:


Desmond Connell was A BLIND, UNTHINKING AND UNQUESTIONING SUPPORTER OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT.

He put the Church's so called REPUTATION before the WELFARE OF CHILDREN.

When it came to the Roman Catholic Church he was like the NAZIS - he did all he did in obedience to HIS REICH.

He should have been given a very quiet funeral instead of being lauded by the CHURCH HIERARCHY in Dublin's Pro Cathedral this morning.

A God of TOTAL JUSTICE would have to send him to Hell.

A God who mixes MERCY with JUSTICE may find some other way of dealing with him ???

The following from thejournal.ie shows the strength of feeling about him among many Irish people:

FROM THEJOURNAL.IE

Former Archbishop of Dublin Desmond Connell dies aged 90

He died after a long illness.

Image: Graham Hughes/RollingNews.ie

FORMER ARCHBISHOP OF Dublin Desmond Connell has died after a long illness.

He was 90.

Connell was Archbishop of Dublin from to 1988 until 2004 and Cardinal since 2001.
Archbishop Diarmuid Martin said that Cardinal Connell, who had been ill for some time, passed away peacefully during the night in his sleep.
Born in Dublin, he was educated at St Peter’s National School in Phibsboro and Belvedere College before studying for the priesthood at Holy Cross College, Clonliffe. He was ordained in 1951, taking up a teaching role in UCD.
He was appointed Archbishop of Dublin by the Holy See in 1988 and made a Cardinal-Priest by Pope John Paul II in 2001.
His handling of clerical sexual abuse cases was widely criticised, leading to his replacement by Diarmuid Martin in 2004.

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  • Brian LehaneTue 9:24 AM #
    His silence on paedophilia in the church was deafening
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    • Barry SomersTue 9:28 AM #
      @Brian Lehane: As is the Vatican’s failure to take meaningful actions and to co-operate with abuse investigations,
      Lets not forget that the Vatican have refused to provide records to Ireland, the UN and Australia as part of investigations into abuse.
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    • OpenBordersTue 10:08 AM #
      He should have spent his final years in prison.
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    • Seán LynchTue 10:09 AM #
      Yet this Roman cult still has huge influence on our education system and can legally discriminate against where 4 year olds can attend school. Vile.
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    • canuckandgoTue 10:20 AM #
      Something to finally agree with tariq/open borders on!!!
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    • @Brian Lehane: So true.
      But he (& the Church) had a lot going on behind the scene from the mid-80s:
      In 1987 the Catholic Church in Ireland began to insure itself against child abuse claims, even though the Catholic Church itself has been aware of child abuse in its own ranks sinc the 4th. century.
      Legal advice obtained by the Archdiocese of Dublin was circulated to every bishop in Ireland to help dioceses negotiate insurance policies to protect them from child sex abuse claims. Access to “privileged” documents, including those relating to insurance matters, has formed the central plank in Cardinal Desmond Connell’s unprecedented legal row with a state inquiry (Murphy Commission) investigating the handling of complaints in the diocese of Dublin.
      Cardinal Connell claimed that certain documents are confidential and subject to solicitor-client privilege that can only be waived by him.
      During 1988, the year Cardinal Connell was appointed as Archbishop of Dublin, diocesan insurer’s Church & General sought and obtained permission from the the Dublin diocese to circulate the opinion of its lawyers among the country’s bishops. The legal advice, obtained on behalf of Cardinal Connell’s predecessor Archbishop Kevin McNamara, formed the basis for a dedicated clerical sex abuse insurance policy. Within two years, all dioceses in Ireland had insured themselves against abuse claims, despite later Church claims that they had no knowledge of the fact of, or extent of, errant priests. These abuse policies later collapsed in 1995, after “serious legal issues” — widely believed to be related to non-disclosure of the full extent and knowledge of clerical sex abuse — arose between the bishops and Church & General regarding the entitlement of dioceses to indemnity. The diocesan policies, which were subject to strict financial limits and policy conditions, imposed an obligation on bishops to immediately remove priests from their duties if there were substantial grounds for believing that a priest would give rise to a claim.
      Was it Connell who stated that his time as Archbishop of Dublin was a ‘testing time’ due to the abuse revelations being made public?
      These abuses, covered up by the Church, occurred in the 1940s, the 1950s, the 1960s, the 1970s, the 1980s …. you get my drift. Why weren’t those abuses, committed in all those decades, a ‘testing’ time for the Church? Was the Church ‘rocked’ internally during any of those decades? Of course not! Because it kept these abuses hidden. It moved abusers to other pastures; and if they abused again they were moved again. In effect their silence insured stability.
      Methinks he played the ‘victim’ card for sympathy.
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    • e murrayTue 11:27 AM #
      Methinks you are dead on … the vile acts of prior decades seem to be forgotten cause they the church had so much power then they could cover up with impunity.
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    • jon-boy55Tue 12:16 PM #
      @Brian Lehane: rot in hell skum bag, hope cardinal brady follows close behind you
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    • If his belief system turns out to be correct he may spend eternity in hell!
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    • Tip TopTue 12:45 PM #
      And don’t forget the ‘mental reservation’, sickening.
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  • Andrew BrennanTue 11:09 AM #
    From the Murphy Report: The Commission considers that Archbishop Connell was slow to recognise the seriousness of the situation when he took over in 1988. He was over-reliant on advice from other people, including his auxiliary bishops and legal and medical experts. He was clearly personally appalled by the abuse but it took him some time to realise that it could not be dealt with by keeping it secret and protecting priests from the normal civil processes.
    It is the responsibility of the Archbishop to make decisions. It is entirely appropriate to take account of professional advice but the weight to be given to that advice is a matter for the Archbishop to decide. In spite of his knowledge of the recidivist nature of abusers such as Fr [Redacted]and Fr Carney, Archbishop Connell still allowed Fr Payne to continue in ministry when the complaint against him became known in 1991.
    The Commission recognises that the current structures and procedures were put in place by Archbishop Connell.
    On the evidence Archbishop Connell personally saw very few complainants. (His predecessors do not appear to have seen any). Of those he did see, some found him sympathetic and kind but with little understanding of the overall plight of victims. Others found him to be remote and aloof. On the other hand he did take an active interest in their civil litigation against the Archdiocese and personally approved the defences which were filed by the Archdiocese.
    Archdiocesan liability for injury and damage caused was never admitted. The Archbishop’s strategies in the civil cases, while legally acceptable, often added to the hurt and grief of many complainants.
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  • NoelTue 10:08 AM #
    He criticised Mary Robinson for taking communion in a Protestant cathedral,
    he criticised Bertie and Celia because they were not married.
    Wexford was part of his watch and when asked about the actions of a child abusing priest he said “I do not know enough about the case to comment”
    I will never forget the double standards.
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  • ktsiwotTue 9:33 AM #
    It is incredible he has made a cardinal in 2001 after all the child abuse issues were ared, it in itself is an excellent insight to the thoughts and actions of the highest levels of the church.
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  • Lynda O'DeaTue 9:26 AM #
    Not exactly a true holy man considering his treatment of abused children. Do as I say, not as I do.
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  • Tony DalyTue 10:07 AM #
    The welfare and interests of the institution of the Roman Catholic Church were vastly more important to the man than the interests and welfare of vulnerable children predated upon by various Roman Catholic priests.
    We decide on our own priorities.
    Our actions define us. Empty platitudes are just words.
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  • alphanauticaTue 9:19 AM #
    He’ll be finding out just about now whether his God Theory was correct
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  • And yet he never had a day in prison.
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    • He did not commit any crime, he was never charged or convicted with any crime. He was probably naive in his dealings with problem priests who all should have been handed over to the Gardai, but that was the way at that time. I am not backing him up by any means, just saying that things were badly handled all round.
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    • Brian FalTue 9:53 AM #
      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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    • OU812Tue 9:53 AM #
      Aiding & assisting criminals is a criminal offence.
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    • Les BehanTue 10:07 AM #
      @Eugene Comaskey: “He was probably naive in his dealings with problem priests who all should have been handed over to the Gardai,”
      Horseshit! Eugene this is probably how you justify your continuing support for Fianna Fail “they were naive in the dealings” but it’s complete crap.
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    • Seán LynchTue 10:11 AM #
      I’d prefer to be in prison than work for a Roman cult who abuse children
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    • canuckandgoTue 10:22 AM #
      Naive Eugene? I’d hardly think he’d be naive having wormed his way up the hierarchy of these pond life..
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    • @Les Behan; what has Connell to do with FF. I must enquire if he was a member. He was an Idiot surely , but whether someone supports a political party is not the question here.
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    • Jamie RocheTue 10:40 AM #
      For evil deeds to be done, all it takes is for good men to stand by and do nothing.
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    • Les BehanTue 10:40 AM #
      @Eugene Comaskey: Don’t try and play silly buggers Eugene, you knew exactly what I meant but in case you are as thick as you are trying to claim, here it is again for you : You tried to make excuses for this paedophile enabler to justify your continuing support for the church, just as you find other ways to justify your continuing support for criminals that are Fianna Fail.
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    • Thomas McGillyTue 12:08 PM #
      Brian I completely agree. Cardinal Connell mishandled the evil that was reigned upon our children by priests under his charge. However, at that time, doing nothing was not a criminal offence. Did evil happen on his watch? Yes. Should he have done something constructive about it? Yes. Did he commit a criminal offence which justified a custodial sentence according to our laws? Not that we know of. Morality and law should not be confused!
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    • Eugene ComaskeyTue 12:12 PM #
      @Les Behan; The likes of you always twist things around to try and justify your point of view. Connell was off the ” old brigade” , probably was a bad choice for to be a Bishop not mind a Cardinal. You are probably one of those Communists that think everyone is wrong only the far lefties. If you have a criticism of him make it, but refrain from calling people criminals.
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    • Les BehanTue 12:40 PM #
      @Eugene Comaskey: What have I twisted exactly? You claimed O’Connell was “naive” and “part of the old brigade”when the rest of us know he covered up abuse of children to protect the church. Then I made the connection that if you can blantely ignore certain facts regarding the criminal behaviour of O’Connell, then that would go some way to explaining how you are able ignore certain facts in relation to Fianna Fail as you still support and defend them.
      So not only do you make excuses for criminals, political and clerical, you also take offence to the word “criminal” being used in this proper context. That tells me a great deal about you Eugene and it isn’t good!
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    • Les BehanTue 12:44 PM #
      @Thomas McGilly: “However, at that time, doing nothing was not a criminal offence.”
      WIthholding information of a criminal act “IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE!”. The mental gymnastics you people try to do is quite worrying.
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    • @Les Behan. Of course you twisted things, didn’t you bring FF into it. If we were discussing FF would you bring Connell into it. If you have learned a great deal about me that’s not good, then I must have done far better than I taught, fighting against the leftie,communist, atheist shower that are out there. Just tos, I’m not religious at all, but I am a Christian. Honestly, I don’t think you’re worth arguing with.
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    • Les BehanTue 1:30 PM #
      @Eugene Comaskey: “leftie,communist, atheist”
      I am none of those things and you still defend and support criminality. Child abuse and political corruption, you’re a sick man Eugene seek help!
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    • Thomas McGillyTue 2:48 PM #
      Les, Let’s be clear about one thing here. I am not in any way, shape or form defending Cardinal Connell. I find what he did, what he didn’t do and the damage it caused abhorrent, disgusting and vile. It was wrong. Plain and simple. However what is wrong and what is illegal are not the same. There was no mandatory reporting of child abuse in the 1980s, the 1990s or even the 2000s. In fact, that is only a very recent legal requirement. It’s not mental gymnastics, it’s the law. Whether the law is moral or not is another argument.
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    • Les BehanTue 3:55 PM #
      @Thomas McGilly: “There was no mandatory reporting of child abuse in the 1980s, the 1990s or even the 2000s.”
      So an institution that claims the monopoly on morality doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong unless it’s enshrined in law?
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    • Thomas McGillyTue 4:05 PM #
      Les, Are you deliberately missing the point here? Whether or not Connell or the Church knew the rights or wrongs of the matter is not what I’m discussing here. There is no discussion on the matter. It was and is wrong. I’m saying that according to the law of the day and what was the law until a very recent change, Connell did something immoral but not illegal and therefore could not serve jail time as a previous comment stated he should.
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  • the truthTue 10:11 AM #
    his treatment of Marie collins was absolutely disgraceful horrible character horrible organisation.
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  • the truthTue 10:42 AM #
    brendan smyth will be waiting for him to thank him for not stopping him enjoying himself in the 70s when he could have two Princes of the church together.
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  • Paul LaneTue 1:38 PM #
    I drafted the original Church & General liability policy for the Dublin diocese in the first week of April 1987. The Premiun was £510.00 (including a 2% Government levy). The Murphy report states that the premium was £515.00, which includes a 3% Government levy, which was impossible as the levy was only increased from 2% to 3% in the early 1990’s. This leads me to suspect that Mr C. Lost the original policy as I was asked to destroy all copies except for the front schedule. Archbishop house in Dublin ran the representatives from the Church & General so I was asked to draft the policy in secrecy to appease re-insurers. I hand typed the policy on a typewriter and not into a PC and destroyed all evidence except for the top copy which was obviously lost. What was produced for Murphy was an inaccuate reproduction as proved by the wrong levy being applied to the premium.
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  • Niall WatersTue 9:50 AM #
    2017 is already shaping up a lot better than 2016.
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  • Daisy DaisyTue 9:23 AM #
    Couldn’t avoid the fiery afterlife any longer.
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  • Matt DonovanTue 9:30 AM #
    He’s in for a phukking shock now! Good enough for the…
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  • Jamie RocheTue 10:36 AM #
    Good. Won’t be missed. Cover up merchant.
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  • JJ O RiordanTue 2:22 PM #
    Who’s going to cover the abuse up now
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  • Irish RedTue 11:25 AM #
    And he’ll probably have a big ceremonial funeral too, where they won’t even mention his serious failings as a bishop and a human being.
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  • He led a Church that covered up the worst crimes never mind sins against the smallest and most vulnerable, from sexual abuse of minors to enslavement of ”fallen” women to ignoring the most vulnerable, such as Ann Lovett. I use the word ”Church” in its widest and truest sense, covering not only the hierarchy but each and every lay-member who ever turned a blind eye, and the State, which is at the last Her People, which and who also benefited, and colluded, in these monstrosities.
    J’accuse not only Cardinal Connell, but every single one of his fellow clerics, and every single layperson who ever called themselves a Catholic while making like three monkeys when the dogs in the street knew what was going on. Brendan Smyth preyed on the children in the area I grew up in. It was widely known what he was at. I recall a man in 1984 having hysterics and wanting to go burn Killnacrott to the ground after Smyth had r aped his child. He was restrained from doing so by his friends in a local pub. I knew Ann Lovett, she was in our local school, and in the September of the year before she died I heard two intercert students going out the gate whispering to each other ”Did you hear Ann Lovett’s pregnant?”. She must only have been in her first trimester then, and she was by then also living forty miles away in Granard.
    It’s all of a piece. Christ-And-Caesar hand-in-glove of moral cowardice. As Michael Davitt said it’s one of the twin curses of Ireland, and shows itself in every single aspect of every single mess we find ourselves in.
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  • Mary WebbTue 11:12 AM #
    I heard in RTÉ this morning that he was appointed to the role of archbishop and was formerly an academic. . He didn’t apply. Funny way to run an organisation . You might have success in a role if you thought yourself suitable and applied, but to be just told ” this is your next job” ; flawed
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  • He was a true head in the sand old boy… Ireland is a brighter place today with him not here
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  • RMTue 11:00 AM #
    “Former Archbishop of Dublin Desmond Connell dies aged 90″
    Good.
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  • Somebody deleted my comment but here goes again! I hope it was an extremely painful illness and death. A vile vile piece of filth which is insulting to a piece of filth
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  • William RuaneTue 8:50 PM #
    Good riddance, may he rot, vile man.
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  • Joseph DempseyTue 10:53 AM #
    Might clear the way for Archbishop Martin to be elevated to Cardinal, long over due for a Bishop who shows Genuine compassion and not afraid to speak up.
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  • Al S MacthomaisWed 12:24 AM #
    Catholic Church and the ilk that produced Archbishop Desmond Connell came from the world of John Charles McQuaid School of control and distain for anybody that was not part of the powerful, influential or wealthy sections in Irish society. The Irish political and judiciary and cultural elements of Irish society abdicated their responsibility to their fellow Irish citizens and continues today with regards to health, education is nothing new as we see with the current wasters in Dail Eireann. Irish education and Health services were given over freely to a foreign a foreign state called the Vatican and its various religious bodies control of Irish society is still been felt today. Newly established Irish Free state abandoned its citizens educational and health to foreign control under a religious dogma having overall control of one of the states most important assets its children and future parents. Irish Free State was established with the Free State under Articles 47,48 and 50 of the Free State constitution the powers of Direct Democracy like Switzerland in the hands of the ordinary citizens. Irish political class and the Catholic Church didn’t not like the idea of the ordinary person having a whip hand over their decisions to be dictated to so changed the constitution in 1937 to suit their needs and we have seen the continued failure of such a decision with various mass poverty, emigration and a backward society that resembles place like the religious backwaters of the muslim world today. Various state reports on industrial schools and the child abuse and trafficking of unwed Mothers babies children to wealthy people both in Ireland and abroad with the support of the Irish State. Various reports on abuse where nothing in reality was done even to this day. Archbishop O Connell was the cardinal with Ratzinger later Pope Benny the 16th controlled all the information with regards to worldwide cleric sexual abuse was covered up with O Connell support. The Berite Ahern stating we didn’t have the money to run the education during the Celtic Tiger boom shows up the political class as the abject failures. Sooner all religious influences are removed form this country we will be having this discussion for many more years. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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  • He put his organisation and his own career within it above the safety and protection of children. “What you unto the least of these, you do unto me.”
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  • Jason MaguireTue 10:42 AM #
    Some paedo deleted my comment.
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  • Paul LaneTue 12:27 PM #
    He was totally out of his depth
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  • John NaghtenWed 10:32 AM #
    Hope he rots in hell.

48 comments:

  1. Whatever Desmond O'Connell did that he shouldn't have done, and whatever he omitted to do that he ought to have done, does not, and never will, be moral excuse for some of the vile, hating comments about him above.

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    1. I agree - most of those comments are absolutely disgusting.

      I don't know the ins and outs of what Cardinal Connell did nor did not do, or what he did or did not repent of, but for people to actually wish that any soul would end up in hell is very sad to say the least. Yes, it is probable that souls will end up in hell, but even God himself does not desire that anyone be lost - "As I live, says the Lord, I do not seek the death of the sinner, but rather that he be converted and live" (Ezekiel 33:11).

      Indeed, Pat, if it were not for the mercy of God, we would all of us be lost.

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  2. He was just a dirty old man.

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    1. There is no evidence that he was "a dirty old man".

      There is ample evidence that he covered up for:

      1. Some dirty old men.

      2. A very dirty cult.

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    2. They're all the same.

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    3. ... pure filth.

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  3. Sadly the past is what it. Silly question but have we learned anything going forward

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  4. Pat, why can I not access your other blogs
    And why did youhaveto put the journal.ie on your blog, u cd have just gave people the link if it is so important
    Most of us have already read it on line
    I can't access any other of your blogs

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  5. The comments show a commendable detestation of child-sexual abuse and an equal hatred of the Christian church.

    One child abused in any way, physically, emotionally, intellectually, spiritually, sexually is one too many. Since the majority of child-sexual abuse takes places in the home and by a family member, how long will it take before we get the whole story and people's righteous and rightful indignation is not focussed disproportionately on one sector of the population? How long will it take before people's anger is levelled across Irish society proportionately at those places where the crimes are still being committed?

    A country gets the clergy it deserves. The clergy are accurate representatives of the culture in which they live.

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  6. Pat,
    You facilitae the kind of evil invective above and then wonder why you were refused Communion by a bishop!
    Des Connell was what you will never be a Bishop in good standing. Did he make mistakes? Yes a myriad of them.
    Ws he motivated by malice? Absolutely not.
    He was a kind and decent man whose inability to deal with the filth in the church was born out of his own naivety when it came to things sexual. Like do many of his generation he had no grasp of the pernicious and evil effects of abuse on young children and thought it could be dealt with with a mild slap of the hand. Bear in mind that he was the one who opened the child protection office of the Dublin diocese which now has in place the most rigorous of child protection protocols in every parish and diocesan agency.
    Do I think Des Connell is in heaven? Without a doubt. The ones I worry about are the foul mouthed rabble who have no scintilla of christan love in their hearts, and those who facilitate them. I pray for them all.

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    1. Re Desmond Connell the cardinal - The media is making excuses for him by saying he was out of his depth with the avalanche of child abuse cases. That is insulting to how he had no real compassion and tried to avert justice by holding on to files. That is not out of his depth. Plus the hierarchy is populated with men like him. From the book Breaking the Silence. "In November 1995 Bishop Boyce was told about the concerns over Greene's conduct, yet there was nothing in the diocesan files. Nee hit the nail on the head when he asked, "Have files been destroyed?" page 200.
      Greene was the notorious prolific clerical child abuser Father Eugene Green and Nee refers to Father Columba Nee.
      Father Carr who ran the diocese and the other senior priests are mentioned in the book as having dubiously claimed to know of no complaints and Greene was even taken from retirement and put among children again during that time. Why should the likes of you make out Connell was okay when he caused such serious evil? It is an insult to people who would rather cut off their arms than in any way let somebody molest a child or get away with it. As for what you said about evil look at yourself and it takes one to know one.

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    2. By the way to say Connell thought it was enough to slap abusers on the wrist is nonsense. The pattern was that too many offenses by each priest showed addiction and the Church responded by moving him around. And Connell never said he thought it was enough so don't put words in his mouth and speak for him and make yourself as terrible as him.

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    3. Columba Nee was a classmate of mine for three years in Maynooth before he went to the Irish College. Clever and charismatic, he is now "out of ministry" and working in a homeless shelter in London, as far as I know.

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    4. A bit like Julius Caesar's funeral then, when Mark Antony got up to make the oration..... "The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones.."

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  7. He was "in good standing" with his Vatican and Hierarchial masters and colleagues and the blind who follow them unquestioningly.

    Any man who covers up child abuse and tries to protect the abusers cannot be called either KIND or DECENT!

    Keep your prayers for Desmond Connell's soul and his blind followers.

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  8. Academic life is not a good preparation for anything else. I speak as one who knows. You may enjoy the cut and thrust of debate but you are spoilt by the deference of your students and the courtesy of your colleagues. Those you come to regard as "stupid" are really quite bright compared to ordinary people in the real world.

    The new archbishop turned up occasionally for morning coffee. He was clearly in a state of shock at the barrage of criticism that greeted his every thought, word and deed. He had been chosen for his intelligent orthodoxy at a time when few knew anything about pedophile priests. Would others have done better? Micheal Ledwith, Donal Murray, Cahal Daly? Such were the names mentioned at the time.

    He got the same dignified Requiem Mass every Catholic is entitled to, without the vulgarity of a eulogy.

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  9. you come to regard as "stupid" are really quite bright compared to ordinary people in the real world.
    <<<<<<>>>>>>
    Should we apologise for living

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  10. Pat, have you no sense of decency and propriety? On the day of the man's funeral you provide a forum for propagating hateful and scurrilous comment. Ever wonder how your obituary might read.....maverick, malcontent, sexual deviant, delusional etc etc. Be careful Pat what you write, "the measure you give is the measure you will receive" Ever hear of the God of mercy and love? Or maybe you only do hateful God?

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    1. This nonsense of NEVER SPEAK ILL OF THE DEAD is nonsense and hypocrisy.

      Dead good men should be called good.

      Dead bad men should be called bad.

      Dead men who put human empires before people - especially children - should be criticised for what they did.

      Dead men who covered up child abuse should be known for abuse cover uppers.

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  11. So is a gay man a sexual deviant. ?
    And should we only say nice words about a coverer upper just because they die

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    1. A gay man who engages in sexual deviancy is a sexual deviant.

      A straight man who engages in sexual deviancy is a sexual deviant.

      We should tell the truth about the dead - the good, the bad, the ugly, the hypocritical, and the so called HOLY ONES!

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  12. Pat you are just a bitter old man. Quite pathetic really. Very sad

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    1. If you knew me you would know that I am not at all bitter.

      Nor do I regard myself at 64 as "old".

      We need to tell the truth about the ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT!

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    2. Old at 64!! 60 is the new 40 - - Rock on kid!

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  13. @Pat Watching the funeral on the news of RTE. When it shoes the coffin in the Crypt AB Martin is there and in the corner is the bishop's secretary Joseph whatever his name is. He is all dressed up in an alb. Whats that all about? He was a seminarian some years ago. He's a lay man, whats all the dressing up about? Where was the Deacon or was he there?

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    1. I did not notice him.

      Diarmuid is VERY PROTECTIVE of him ???

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    2. @16:42 @pat.
      Pat my FUCKING BLOOD was BOILING and I mean BOILING when I spotted him last night in the pro with his holier than thou attitude. Buckley I'm telling you onething do some digging on him and I can guarantee diarmuid Martin will be shaking your hand!!!! A NASTY NASTY NASTY piece of work and a vile BULLY!!!!! I'd love to get diarmuid on his own and tell him a thing or two. Words can not describe how frustrated I get when I see him and what he's done to people!!!!

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    3. You seem very hurt by something?

      Why not vent your hurt and anger on the blog?

      Or email me bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

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    4. Another fairy who likes dressing up. Does the church even vet or 'ask around' before they employ people? Joe if your reading this your badoo account is still active ;)

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    5. Is it bad to want to see it? link?

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    6. he did the Hdip in Philosophy when I was in seminary. an insufferable bore! very much pre-vatican II. how do people of our generation have that mindset? maybe its all a show?

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    7. 18:18, please talk to Pat. he has much pastoral experience and will meet you and talk to you. your not alone.

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  14. That's Joesph Merrick he's now private secretary to archbishop Martin. He was in maynooth in my time but he only stayed the year. I'm pretty certain +AB would not have suggested him wearing an alb but let's just say joe likes to be seen and come across as very important. He had a BA and a HDip when he joined us and used this intellectual superiority to talk down to the junior seminarians. Very condescending lad.

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    1. i'd say he's licked a few lollipops to get that job

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    2. He doesn't do lollipops

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    3. his badoo account says otherwise

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    4. hes a celibate homosexual. I know this for a fact!!!! and fair play to the lad.

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  15. My grandmother from Mayo when having met Joe at an event turns to my aunt - 'ah God bless him I think there's something wrong with him'. The ground could have swallowed me as he was standing right beside her. grandmothers hey!

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  16. Pat is not old or bitter.
    I'm ten years older than he is and I don't feel or act old
    It depends on how one feels and on ones friends.
    We need to talk about DesmondConnell and how he treated those who he served....and it was not good.
    We have to give him a good send off by discussing his life as we saw it.

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  17. Interesting comments on journal.ie after the funeral report

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  18. Disillusioned Dublin Priest24 February 2017 at 20:38

    After observing Joseph today dressed in an alb and knowing that he is private Secretary to D Martin, I now seriously call into question D Martin's judgement in this respect. I also call into question his judgement regarding sending his students to Rome and the certain protective element he has towards certain Dublin Seminarians who are now studying in Rome. Diarmud Martin is protecting gays that he is surrounded by. His weird mentality at not publishing Clergy appointments, his moving around of clergy with gay issues just makes one wonder - what's your agenda Diarmuid?

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    1. Now, THAT is the 64 million dollar question! !!

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    2. finally someone else out there who thinks like me!!!!

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  19. So this secretary was condescending to other students. Is that it? Perhaps he shouldn't be wearing an alb, but it's hardly a crime. Where was the deacon? Why wasn't he there? Also can anyone in Rome tell us if he attends lectures or what does he do in that glorified guest house of an Irish College which, lets face it, is just a guest house for pilgrims who go to Rome and is a wedding factory. College President = B&B owner. Deputy President = Wedding Planner. Director of Formation = obviously not doing his job if the Irish Indo a few weeks back was anything to go by.

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  20. Lots of irish clerical
    Very. Few sheep present

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  21. Pat have you ever pondered what will be said of you when you are dead and gone? Sobering thought.

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