Friday, 3 February 2017

THE KERRY PROBLEM

Bishop Ray "Your Umble Servant" Browne with Pope Francis


ON TUESDAY LAST I sent the email below to the Bishop of Kerry, Raymond Browne, the parish priest of Listowel, Canon Declan O'Connor and to Deacon Sean Jones.

The email read:



1St February 2017

TO:

BISHOP RAYMOND BROWNE – RC BISHOP OF KERRY

DEACON SEAN JONES – DEACON AT LISTOWEL PARISH

CANON DECLAN O’CONNOR – PARISH PRIEST AT LISTOWEL PARISH.


Dear Raymond, Sean and Declan,

I am enclosing a photograph that is allegedly a photograph of Deacon Sean Jones.

I am sending this to ask all three of you to confirm or deny that that this photograph is indeed of Deacon Jones.

The readers of my Blog – www.wisecatholic.blog.com are also interested to know if Deacon Jones ordination for the Diocese of Kerry is going ahead as planned in June 2017.

I hereby promise you that your reply to this email will be published – UNEDITED on the Blog.

Sincerely yours,

+Pat Buckley
(Bishop Pat Buckley)



I have not received either an acknowledgement or reply to my email from any of the three recipients.

Apart from anything else is it not BAD MANNERS not to acknowledge an email or a letter.

I think it is.



In that email I asked two questions:

1. Is the picture in the jock strap a picture of Sean Jones?

2. Is his planned ordination going ahead in the summer.


If the picture is NOT SEAN JONES why has Sean himself or somebody in Kerry not stated publicly that it is not him?

This picture has been doing the rounds since last July - 8 months.

In the summer when I contacted the bishop's secretary in Kerry - Father Nicholas Flynn - to ask if it was Sean Jones in the picture I was not given a straight answer.


Rev Flynn


I was simply told that the picture was "VERY UNCHRISTIAN" 

That is not an answer!

Is the picture of the man in the jock strap Deacon Jones or is it not!

Its a simple YES or NO answer.

If it is not Deacon Jones why has he himself - or someone else on his behalf not said so for the past 8 months?

If it is him other questions arise - questions like:

1. Where was it taken?

2. When was it taken?

3. For what purpose was it taken?

4. Where was it published?

5. For what purpose was it published? 

Obviously the truthful answers to those questions will be problematic for Bishop Browne, Deacon Jones and the Diocese and People of Kerry.

The answers to those questions also pose other questions about his possible ordination this year or at any time in the future.

Other questions have arisen in connection to Deacon Jones as well in recent times:

1. Was he in the Pallotine Fathers as a trainee priest and religious?

2. Did he leave voluntarily or was he asked to leave?

3. Why did he leave.

4. Did the Pallotines communicate with the Diocese of Kerry about his leaving?


AND YESTEDAY a comment maker on this blog said:

1. That the jockstrap in the picture was bought in an upstairs premises in the village / town of Maynooth.

2. That the purchaser said he was rushing as his boyfriend was due home.

3. That he worked for Dell Computers. 


The whole tale gets more curiouser and curousier ..............

THE CURIOUS TALE OF THE KERRY JOCKSTRAP


Are there any IMAGE ANALYSISTS READERS of this blog that can give us the answer Bishop Browne will not?







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106 comments:

  1. Jockstrap purchased from a man in maynooth, either April/may 2016. Picture sent to him later that evening. Picture also posted on growlr app and sent to others on the Grindr app. The background of the room is well known to his superiors.

    If someone posted a picture of me, turned it into an international scandal, brought it to my superiors, prevented my ordination and called into question my good name, I like everyone else would issue a STRONG DENIAL.

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    1. If I had taken and posted a picture of myself like this one I would admit it, say it was a moment of madness, apologise and ask for forgiveness reassuring people I had changed.

      If it was not a photo of me I would say so immediately.

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    2. +Pat in a professional employment I was a investigation laboratory supervisor and spent many hours looking under a microscope at structures and differences in structure to the minute detail. Now would you agree or not that that would give me the ability to make a fair assumption on these photos? Be that in favour or against the identity of assumed identity of persons in the photos??

      What a mouthful lolol

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  2. What else is there to come out? Can +Browne take a chance on this? Remember if Jones has been sending pictures there's more out there. Will someone come forward with more info? Will summer 2017 be a repeat of summer 2016? Will the international media arrive once more but this time on the steps of Kerry?.

    Jones has caused so much scandal to the Church. It will sadly follow him for life. He's best walking way. He can never speak with any authority ever!!!! Nor can he be trusted. If you reach the point of your diaconate ordination and your meeting guys for dates/NSA with a fictional story then clearly there's something seriously wrong with you.

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  3. Honestly, his ordination will be just one big joke. Processing up the aisle with a little halo over his head while everyone in the congregation is thinking about his jockstrap picture. The awkwardness! Here's hoping I'm not forced to go to this farce

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  4. Wears the robes of a holy man, then Lies and deceives people. Our lady warned about these kind of charlatans

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    1. I'm convinced the third secret of Fatima is about puck.

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    2. Puck is only a tiny part of a massive problem.

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    3. He asked my mate for fun when puck was staying in the guest rooms in st Patrick's. This was June 2015. The accommodation records can be checked but he was on the second floor, 2nd room on the left when you enter via the emergency door. basically the orange corridor.

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    4. That's very specific. This can be checked via the accommodation records.

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    5. Why don't you just email this to maynooth.

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    6. Right now the powers that be can walk over to the accommodation reception and view all of the deacons stays in St Patrick's accommodation in June of the year. This is probably very concrete info. You seem to know stuff. Do tell us more

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  5. As he's wearing a jockstrap its to be assumed he's a 'bottom'? He likes to take rather than give. Then again given his small stature I doubt he's packing anything substantial

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    1. Little jockies have big whips".

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  6. I knew there was something about him. I could never put my finger on it but he was too sweet to be wholesome. Now I cringe when I see that picture and recall his face coming to prayer and acting all 'pastoral' with his expressions of concern for students and his overt pious manner. How dare any bishop ordain this man. This upsets me greatly

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    1. give it a fucking rest. He who is without sin....

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  7. Typical! The church is all for transparency then refuses to Acknowledge if a public sacrament is being conferred on a deacon. there's something to hide. Anyone else would be delighted about this ordination and we'd all be looking forward to it. But no, there's an air of mystery, hoping no other jockstrap pictures appear or maybe an audio recording , 'why you keep holding your phone ?' ;)

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  8. Pity poor young men who have anything to do with the Irish Salem. In the age of selfies there are millions of young men who take and even post much more graphic pics than this. It is not even clear who the pic is of. This unwholesome obsession is indeed unchristian.

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    1. Clearly it's him. Those of us from maynooth will recognise the wallpaper and the white sheets

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    2. So why won't Deacon Jones deny the photo is of him?

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    3. Are you sayung that this wallpaper and curvy mirror is from a room in Maynooth?

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  9. I see a nice pink lampshade in the Jock strap pic. The dogs in the street know this is Jones and yes, people in jockstraps tend to take it up the ass.

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    1. Unless the "selfie" was taken in a hotel room (for example), it should be very easy for those who know KP and Maynooth to identify the surroundings - pink bedside lampshade, shape of mirror, wall paper design, bed, colour scheme.

      I feel a song coming on .... "Oh, the days of the Kerry jockstrap, Oh, the sound of King Puck's sweet tune ....."

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  10. I agree that it is really bad manners not to enter into dialogue especially by a Bishop but having met and listened to him I am not surprised, as I would rate him as one of the poorest communicators that Ive come across.

    Not that I am perfect far from it, but Bishop Ray of sunshine is far from it. Its like listening to the sounds of a washing machine as it goes around. I hope he takes this as constructive criticism as I only want the man to be the best for his flock.

    As for the politicians within the church and the wannabe bishop's they will have closed ranks round him to make no comment. Play the wall of silence it wins everytime even if we are wrong. It is the same old same old, men with wee balls in big places looking down from lofty heights..

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  11. @ 11.00 What size are the students beds in Maynooth. The bed in the photo is not a single bed its a double divan. You "recognise the white sheets" Jaysus man, are you well in the head ? and you recognise the wallpaper ? was it an exclusive design for maynooth.

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    1. Excellent question. a more forensic examination of alleged photographic evidence is what is called for. Should have been done months ago. But maybe the agenda has nothing to do with truth. as the adage goes "never let the truth get in the way of a good story" I think thats the second rule of journalism

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    2. don't senior students get upgraded. When I was there we had single beds but I was a junior

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    3. Having spend 4 years in Maynooth I am jealous - not one room I was assigned had wallpaper!! I am doubting......

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  12. Are you still banging on about this after 8 months?! Give it a bone Pat and focus on the pastoral care of your congregation.

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    1. Pat, indeed, is still "banging on" about this after 8 months because, in four or five months time, there is a very real danger that this fine specimen will be ordained and let loose in a Kerry parish!

      I have seen King Puck's type before. If Ray Brown ordains him, he will rue the day. This man has a massive problem that only become more difficult and complicated, if he is ordained to the priesthood.

      Both he and Gorgeous need to be laicised quickly for the good of the Church and, indeed, for their own good.

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    2. I know I am a kind of voice in the wilderness.

      But sometimes that is all that is left :-(

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  13. What is wrong with a seminarian wearing a jockstrap? I know a priest who wears panties. As a former seminarian, I regularly borrowed boxer shorts, briefs etc from the laundry

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    1. Nothing wrong, if it's for sport. Who the hell 'borrows' other people's underwear? Just as when straight men steal women's underwear off the washing line - it's a fetish thing.
      A friend of a friend started a seminary in England this autumn; I got my friend to advise him to stock up on cheap pants - admittedly they could still be a kink, but cheaper to replace when 'borrowed'.

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  14. 12.24 Correction- it's not just Bishop Pat banging on about this 8 months later it's quite a number of us scandalized laity also sweetheart. I wondered how long it would take the Maynooth bitches to appear with their claws out.

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  15. I lived and studied in Maynooth for seven years. A seminarian is appointed a new room every year. That room is not part of the seminary quarters. All beds are single and walls have no wallpaper. Seminarians provide their own sheets and duvets, bedside lockers and lamps etc. There are no full length 'bending' curved mirrors provided in the rooms, so I'm sure that photo was taken outside the seminary.

    You are right Pat, in that he should 'come-out' and clarify the identity of the 'strapping' little man in the controversial picture? Otherwise, people will assume, rightly or wrongly, that it is part of the Jones Love Al-bum!

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  16. Although more evidence would be required for me the nice Jockie does not quite measure up to the Deacon being discussed but as I say it would require a bit more to rule him out.

    You'd expect me to be honest and this is the result of measurement thus far to rule him out. Other information could rule him in however, but I doubt you'd be able to get me the optical details etc.

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  17. 13.07 There is of course no problem in whatever underwear anyone chooses to wear, I'm a Jock strap man myself. The big difference with Deacon Jones is he used that picture on Grindr and growler to look for gay sex. You said you borrowed other students underwear from the laundry yourself, is that appropriate or normal behaviour? In my experience underwear taken from a Seminary laundry was never returned as it was used for sexual purposes.

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    1. You mean people actually wear jock straps as underwear? I'm wondering whether my old faithful y-fronts would not be considered good enough among the seminary undie-stealers.

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  18. Is it my imagination or not but the fellow in the jock strap photo appears not to have the big belly when you compare it to King Puck's big belly, in other photographs as seen with his clothes on? The hair line on top seems to differ slightly? I could be wrong but are we sure it is him or are we just suspecting it is him? Do we know who came up with the picture in the first place?

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    1. That would be me. I know who sold him the jock for €20. Where and when it was purchased. He sent this picture the evening he purchased the jockstrap. You don't need to cross any roads to reach the establishment from the college gates. It wasnt bought brand new either

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    2. Surely when taking a selfie of yourself in your new-to-you jockstrap, you would at least make an effort to suck the gut in?

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  19. Ah the now infamous picture Connolly refused to look at. This picture will forever remain a part of Irish church history.

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  20. Good God, what a spectacle
    Is this the best Kerry can produce ?

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  21. Poor fella
    Has he a hernia in his goolies, if not, he soon will have.
    Try a bra next time, might fit you better

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  22. He sent more than one picture. 24 hours before ordination, i wonder will a story be published in the newspapers? Just a thought

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  23. A nasty little man. Pat if it were possible to bring you someone who went on a date with him do you think it would persuade Browne? I have a feeling it wouldn't and I need to protect this person. They are 100% genuine and assumed it was a date until they were asked for 'fun'.

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    1. I agree. But it would do no harm if you or your friend wrote a more detailed account of the date for the blog.

      Nothing to lose.

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    2. June 2015 for sure. Have maynooth accom office check the records. When they have done this they will realise the truth. Hold onto your seats folks. YOU AINT SEEN NOTIING YET

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    3. I know a lad who worked in the accommodation office who told me a seminarian booked in one time over the summer. The room was two singles and when housekeeping went in the next morning at 10am the 2 beds were together so they informed the office thinking it was a couple trying to get a cheap deal and not pay for the other. When reception saw it was a seminarian in that room It was all kept hush hush

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  24. Good man +Pat honest and open discussion and yet no response from the person who has nothing to loose if ts not him or from Bishop Ray.

    Unfortunate that they can't see the way to open dialogue.

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    1. From the beginning I never thought that this pic was taken in a Maynooth seminarians room.

      His bedroom at home in Kerry?

      A room in Maynooth but outside the college?

      A room in a B and B?

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  25. Pat are you in the market for photographs of Meath diocesan priests who had some weird grindr photos?

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    1. Pat will give you a nice price. The going rate for a Grindr picture. He won't cod ya either

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    2. Grindr? At least one Mullingar one preferred parks

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    3. I hope you are joking about selling the pic(s)?

      This is really about preventing future pain and scandal for so many.

      Try and do the right thing for the right reason. Pat.

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    4. Market was a just a phrase. I meant are you up to receiving them? Or just interested in Seminarian ones.

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    5. Sorry for misunderstanding you. I can receive all relevant material on. bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

      Thank you.

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    6. you'd want a large folder in your inbox for Meath

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    7. the mullingar one also prefer rest stops in the cover on darkness. Parks daytime. Possibly when visiting the papal cross

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    8. there's a blonde one used to be on Grindr a lot
      and many would be on first name terms with the staff of the sauna

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    9. the blonde isn't in Mullingar though, same diocese though

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  26. Haha got told about this blog in a tutorial. This lad used to chat me on the scruff app ages ago but he made up excuses not to meet. Sent me a few pics but they were normal face ones this was last year before the summer exams

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    1. it's another gay app

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    2. So far we have Grindr, Fabguys, Growlr, Scruff, Silverdaddies, Gaydar.....

      Seems a growing area of commerce.

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  27. Well bejaysus and begorrah if it's isn't the mad puck goat. He's making another resurrection appearance on buckleys blog. Jaysus at this rate his celebrity status is through the roof and no sign of a book deal and a late late appearance?

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  28. Met him wasn't my type. A nice lad tho even though he did make up a fictitious story about helping his brother move to maynooth hence why he was in the area.

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  29. Someone put a link to this on maynooth LGBT and people saying they met this guy before. Swear down I never did. Like he has a nice face and all in some pictures but at end of the day I'm not for short guys. But good luck to him I say and don't be bothering him

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    1. share the link to the blog, perhaps someone in maynooth will recognise the face and more will come forward

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  30. So the commentator at 11:00 is a liar. Yet you allowed them to post their comment when you believe it to be a lie. This smacks of the same ethical and moral standards as Trump. Please tell me Pat that you didn't choose the word veritas in any way as your motto.

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    1. I didnt call anyone a liar. Is Love not the greatest virtue. And Love is greatly made up of truth / veritas?

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    2. You'd know 17:31 was a sanctimonious prick!!

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  31. it was always the same in Maynooth. I remember a time (12 years ago or more) when we (seminarians) would look with disgust at gay lay students. We'd talk about them and sometimes snigger. We'd go to the odd debate over in the Arts block where the motion would be something 'gay' and we'd listen and criticise them. Then we'd come back over the bridge to the seminary and say goodnight to each other in the group and go to our rooms. I didn't realise til years after 3 in my group of seminary friends would then go to other peoples rooms. I didn't realise back then that guys who couldn't sleep and went to say the rosary or for a walk on the graf were actually having oral sex in the trees. I went out once after dark in a group of three guys for a walk and thought I was being very rebellious going for a walk and having a good gossip with my friends after dark. I remember we passed by about 5 guys out walking alone. It was only explained to me many years later what they ere doing out there on their own. THey were mainly from overseas diocese as it happens.

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    1. I hope you have since repented for your immature homophobia and have since read the catechism and the Gospels to alleviate you from your miserable views?

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    2. I remember a debate in the Arts bloc about something gay. A good few seminarians went over to it. Frank Duhig the senior dean went over too and sat near the front with a pen and paper and took names. There were a few deacons who almost shat themselves up the back.

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    3. Would that have been the talk I gave in Maynooth entitled: "Was Jesus Gay".

      There were quite a few seminarians there and a couple of priests.

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    4. No it was a debate. A very goodlooking gay guy spoke on one side and someone else on the other. Nobody had permission to be over at the debate. But the deacons present nearly fainted when Duhig arrived in with his pen. I can still see him sitting down the front of the lecture hall turned around facing the audience and writing names. He seemed more interested in what decaons and seniors were there. They nearly died

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    5. Pat maybe you could give another talk in maynooth?

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  32. This blog is revolting!!! You will all answer to God for this vulgar behaviour, especially you Pat!

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  33. No it's not. This blog is cleaning up hypocricy and promiscuity in the Irish Catholic Church. YOu see in Maynooth it was always ok to be promiscuous unless you were caught. Then you were out on your ear. Now it appears that it's only ok if you are caught by the deans in Maynooth and by their methods only. Lay involvement in helping to root out promiscuity is not entertained ... until now.

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  34. @18:48 are you a seminarian with something to hide? or an ordained priest living in fear of pictures you posted on grindr? If you're either of the above, then get out and get a real job and get job and be as promiscuous as you like

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  35. Jonsey is only a wee fella. The hair on the person's head in the jock photo seems thicker than on the ones underneath. I doubt any individual could be definitely identified from that photo on its own.

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    1. Sean Page when did you serve your time with Peter Mark :)

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    2. 20.58 are we talking Apostles here. If so all my life and I am still an apprentice

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  36. What is this all about Meath, Pat, are you saying there is another big revelation??

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  37. @Pat you contacted the bishop of Kerry and various priests concerning this story and these pictures. Have you learned nothing? You're highly intelligent, so i'm surprised. You need to contact somebody 'lay' in the diocese, but who is linked inextricably to the diocese. For example, there must be somebody 'lay' on a finance committee of the diocese, or on an educational committee of the diocese, or on a building/fundraising comittee of the diocese. Ask these what they think or ask them to ask +bishop of Kerry. THey're great in Kerry for covering scandals. Wasn't Eamon Casey there for a while?

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    1. They needed to have it put to them for now and future.

      Nobody in Kerry diocese would speak up to the bishop :-(

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    2. @20:21
      Pat is laying the traps for these bishops when the shit hits the fan with these seminarians. They will be unable to deny that they knew what they were ordaining, because Pat has the evidence.
      Sadly that is how you have to deal with these people and it would be unnecessary if anyone was telling the truth in the church.
      This course of action is also necessary because these men are not committing crimes. If, say, they were paedophiles, a call to the police would sort it, but it won't in these mens cases.

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    3. Kerry under both Bishops Brown and Murphy covered for the abuser Donal O'Neill. He would ordain Puck easily enough. Its just another example of weak leadership.

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  38. What is the Meath story about? Is it a past or present situation and how is it different to the other diocese' around the country??

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    1. @20:48 The protagonists are all in situ

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  39. What gets me is the staggering arrogance of professing one way of life but living another so close to the seminary. I can get it that if you want sex you might travel to a sauna on your day off to minimise detection.
    But sex in the seminary grounds??! I also do see that there is a culture there of getting away with it but it would only take one other seminarian who had it in for you, for that to backfire badly.
    In the enclosed, poisonous world of the seminary surely it is best not to give other people the knife to stab you in the back? Are these people crazy?

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  40. You see its the six foot of lace brigade from the surplus and satan. They wouldn't waste money in the sauna if they could get a quick result in the trees or secluded grave yard.
    Then off into town next day to celebrate the Tridentine rite and make it look like they understand,, finished off with a pint of the black stuff or the new sexy smithwicks blonde. Hop House 13 is the up and coming drink if a nice young sem puts it down in front of you he's letting you know your luck could be in if your lucky and play your cards right.

    But like you say Pat if they were honest and open about their sexual desires they wouldn't be there.

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    1. So are the Latin mass ("Biretta brigade") like a sub group? I know that some of the more femme types are attracted to the Tridentine but are they really sexually active as well?

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    2. No, they wouldn't be active as they are the ones most likely to accept (and adhere to) the teachings of the Catholic Church, despite how unpopular they are becoming in the current culture we're living in

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  41. @21:36 Can you get that if you want sex you might travel to a sauna on your day off? Well if you do and if you are a seminarian or a priest just F Off out of the church and get a proper job and be as promiscuous as you want. You're problem is that you think Ireland has changed. It has for gay lay people ONLY. It hasn't changed for actively promiscuous gay priests. Promiscuity is not allowed in the Church, not allowed by the Pope and even Diarmuid Martin has a problem with it (and that's saying something)

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      Duh, read the post and my comment again and you might understand the point: promiscuity IS allowed in the church.

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    2. based on his recent actions (or rather inaction) I think your last point may not be entirely accurate unfortunately

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  42. @Pat when you were sending your email to the bishop in Kerry you should have cc'd the papal nuncio. Just so it's on his radar. After all the bishops told the pope everything here is all fine.

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    1. And you think that the Papal Nuncio (whose email inbox must be groaning) knows nothing about all this and hasn't reported it to Rome? (More than his cushy job is worth). The Vatican also has a number of staff who do nothing but analyse media reports about the Church (including blogs). If the Nuncio hasn't bothered to tell the relevant authorities what is going on then he knows that the Pope already knows. What the authorities choose to ignore is another question altogether. Many a returning bishop's failings are being carefully considered and dissected in Rome as I write. The Bishops' problem is that, at the moment, they don't know what Rome wants. Probably neither does Rome but what they definitely do know is that they don't want the current situation.

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  43. The Bishops tell the Holy Father what the papal nuncio wants him to hear. The Pontiff will never hear the full story.

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  44. I don't know whether 'jock strap man' is indeed King Puck but if it is then he's better looking without his clothes! Puck is pudgy looking fully dressed but, in a jock strap, he's a sexy little bitch.......and he's definitely a bottom. I know I would!

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