Sunday, 19 March 2017

FALLING NUMBER OF PRIESTS

‘Very serious’ decline in number becoming priests in Ireland
Papal nuncio says many contributed to improving relations between Holy See and Ireland

Patsy McGarry. The Irish Times
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Papal nuncio Archbishop Charles Brown has expressed alarm at the lack of vocations in Ireland, and at the age profile of existing priests.
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“We’ve a lot of priests in Ireland who are in their 70s, who are working right now. Some are in their 80s. In 10 years they’re not going to be working. We’re at the edge of an actuarial cliff here, and we’re going to start into a free fall.”

Archbishop Brown was speaking to The Irish Times at University Church on Dublin’s St Stephen’s Green where he had celebrated his last public Mass in Ireland on St Patrick’s Day. It was announced last week that he has been appointed to Albania. He departs next month.
While weekly Mass attendance appeared to have stabilised, he said what was in decline “remarkably and alarmingly was the number of men coming forward as potential priests”. It was “very serious”.


CHARLIE BROWN is talking through his hat and failing to say who is responsible for the falling number of priests in Ireland.

Who is responsible?

Charlie himself is !

The Irish Bishops are !

The Vatican is !


How are they responsible?

The falling number of priests in Ireland and worldwide is due to the following reasons:

1. The fact that the Roman Catholic Church is now recognised by young people and others as one of the most corrupt and morally bankrupt organisations in the world. Why would a genuine young person commit their lives to serving evil and corruption?

2. The medieval view of human sexuality that is promoted by the RC Church that says "virginity" is superior to marriage, that celibacy is imposed on every priest, that condoms are sinful even to prevent disease and that homosexuality is a "disorder".

3. The preaching about the poor by the RC Church while it retains its huge wealth allowing bishops to spend £30,000 on their Mass gear and allows people like Amy Martin to parade around Armagh in a Euro 750 overcoat.




4. The political interference and influence operated by the RC Church around the world which allows them to still control over 90% of schools in countries like Ireland.

5. The horrific history of the Catholic Church in terms of sexual abuse of children and adults and the covering it up by the Hierarchy.

6. The burial of God knows how many thousands of babies in places like Tuam by nuns and "Christian" Brothers reminding one of the horrors of the Nazis and of places like Kosovo.

7. The memory of the hypocrisies of people like Bishop Eamon Casey, Father Michael Cleary and Cardinal Keith O'Brien.

8. The hiding of Cardinal George Pell in the current Vatican when the authorities in Australia want to speak to him about child abuse.

9. The background of the Vatican Bank and its money laundering for the Mafia, international criminals and global drug dealers.

10. The homosexualisation of the priesthood and seminaries like Maynooth where priests and seminarians bang each other 24/7 and where heterosexual and wanna be chaste seminarians are bullied and driven out of residence or out of their sanity.


And then Charlie Brown and his ilk wonder why more young men are not offering themselves as priests!

The young men of today may not be great church goers but many of them have a wonderful sense of morality and ethics.

Why in God's name would they want to throw away their lives of the service of such and organisation and such a carry on?

What Catholic parent - in their right mind - would want their son to enter Gaynooth?

What family with any principles would want to see one of its members be sucked into such an empire?

What young man who is not a masochist would embark on such a scary journey?


When I was ordained in 1976 and was ignorant of the realities of Roman Catholicism and its Head Honchos I would have been more than happy to recommend other young men to the priesthood.

Now, after 40 years of having my eyes not only opened - but terrified - I would tell any young man to run a mile from such a thought.

Most priests - if they were being honest - would give the same advice.




89 comments:

  1. Yes, it is sad and disappointing that Ireland is down the league table on vocational numbers, especially as the Catholic World Report shows an encouraging rise in numbers successfully completing their priesthood studies, particularly in Africa and certain parts of Asia (25% increase for example in 2015-16) Adverse publicity in Ireland certainly won't have helped, but there are other factors too such as a decrease in the nurturing spirituality which was once a rich part of Irish family life and also a much wider spectrum of careers available to young people. Choices have multiplied and parental attitudes have changed and the support systems are now channeled in very different directions!

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  2. Many are called and many are destroyed the few who are choosen well the reasons seem to defy. I have to agree with you Pat I left an order a long time ago thinking that it wasn't living up to what it preached.
    The Diocese clamoured for me then but I saw a wee Fuck Daly for what he was and declined.
    Nows no different its still full of FUCKS wjo sit on high lofty places. Liars, theives, destroyers,sexualused deviants, those who only see a promotional ladderto be climbed, I for one am glad that there are no vocations the church has to die unto itsrlf to purge its loins of the inherent filth in its ranks.
    Of course it goes without saying there are a few good men and women in the ranks and they will have the reward for services rendered...
    The Pope says he wishes discussion on the possibility of married men been ordained possibly after the usual testing and vetting. Well I say Fuck that no chance thats ever going to happen with the Romans, its ok for our Eastern Catholics all of which we have a right to transfer to. I say a man married or no head Eastern avoid Rome its gates are to far gone.
    +Pat you say I wear my heart too much on my sleeve and that my light was too bright for them, maybe so and in many ways I'll never change. I know I'll never get anywhere for my views and certainly never ordained they're definitely be weeping and nashing of teeth at having me in any ranks.

    A holier church might grow out of the ashes

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    1. You are full of a mystifying amount of shite hankie boy.

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  3. We all know these things are true, but you won't get any RC bishop facing them any time soon!
    Sadly the flip side of this coin is that being a priest still confers a status, or at the very least a life where the duties aren't arduous and it is easy to arrange things so you can only do what you want.
    As you rightly say, men going in don't realise the full horror and when they do they turn a blind eye to it for the comfortable life.
    You exactly put your finger on how a strong moral sense will make you back out. I always think of members of religious orders living under restriction for paedophilia, and how it must be to be forced to live with child abusers.

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  4. Pat are you capable of being objective at all?

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    1. What have I said above that is UNTRUE ???

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    2. I read an article by an atheist in the irish times, great piece of work. He said the use of language by people is totally off the point e.g. you comparing kosovo to Ireland. This is not ethnic cleansing, it is not a military conflict. It is a sad dark part of irish history but it is not a holocaust. Try and be objective and factual pat instead of descending in populism.

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    3. The anon commentor obviously thinks objectivity is ignoring the facts and giving the benefit of the doubt to these clowns.

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    4. I repeat. Why have I said above that is UNTRUE ???

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    5. Where is the kosovo connection? That comparison is UNTRUE

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    6. @10:21, the other annon commentator thinks it is intelligent to make highly inaccurate and historical comparisons. War crimes v society hiding it's shame. Cop on you twat

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    7. The Kosovo connection?

      MASS GRAVES OF THE INNOCENT? RING A BELL?

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    8. PUTTING COMMENTS IN CAPLOCKS!!!! Were those babies bombed or shot?

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    9. No. They were starved, neglected and beaten and buried in septic tanks.

      Go on - continue to excuse the inexcusable.

      You are a defender of the evil happened.

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    10. " The burial of God knows how many thousands of babies in places like Tuam by nuns and "Christian" Brothers reminding one of the horrors of the Nazis and of places like Kosovo."
      Perhaps this is not untrue, but it is certainly devious and manipulative.
      It is classic association fallacy. A. The nazis had mass graves. B. Tuam had mass graves C. The nuns in Tuam are in all respects as bad as the Nazis.
      What utter nonsense! The horror of the Nazis and Kosovo lay in the deliberate large scale murder. I guess if you had said they reminded you of the mass graves created by local authorities it might not have had the desired impact.
      Please hold back on the OTT tabloid language and false associations - it damages the case for all of us who want to see this situation properly investigated.

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    11. No, i am not defending anything you sad little man. I am not using nazi Germany or kosovo as sensational comparisons. Use what little intellect you have to formulate a blog as opposed to just firing off sound bites.

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    12. 12:26, those babies were denied their God-given human dignity by being denied a dignified burial. Isn't this enough for you? That they were treated as sub-human by a religious creed that probably (given the manner of their burial) thought them unworthy of heaven?

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    13. I asked a simple question MC, perhaps you can master the ability to read as opposed to posturing and trolling.

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    14. 15:10, if you asked a simple question, then you should be capable of understanding a simple answer, such as the one I made at 14:28. But clearly you didn't.

      I shall try again, with as few syllables as possible: first, dehumanize people, and then destroy them. This is the fundamental link between what happened in Tuam and what occurred in those other places. If you cease to think of others as human and equal (as the Nazis did with the Jews, and the ethnic Serbs and Albanians did with one another in Kosovo), then it becomes morally and psychologically easier to justify their persecution: to justify treating them as 'other' and 'lesser'.

      From the manner of burial in Tuam, those poor kids may not have been baptised and, therefore, from a vile Augustinian doctrine, were not considered worthy of heaven. How easy it is to treat human beings as if they were excrement (and a person can't sink much lower in the evolutionary scale of existence than being considered on an ontological par with human shite), when you believe them personally and morally inferior! But then, Roman Catholicism has an inglorious history of treating certain people in precisely this way.

      Is this simple-enough for you to understand? I doubt it. (Sigh)

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    15. The United Nations has determined that the RC Church's failure to protect children from abuse amounts to torture.
      This simple fact puts it right in the Kosovo league and an attempt to wriggle out of this is to make excuses for them.

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    16. MC thìe question was, for your precious little brain was were the babies in tuam bombed or shot. Again you continually demonstrate the cognitive capabilities of a troll. GG EZ FTW

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    17. Ah the troll is back! How is unemployment treating you MC!? Yes we know you hate Catholics and we know you hate Christianity, and yes we know you hate existence itself! Life cannot be that bad under the bridge though? Clever girl!

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    18. 16:44, yes, this is correct. But torture becomes psychologically possible only if people are considered to be 'other' and 'lesser'. This is certainly how the Catholic Church treated many children in its 'care'.

      But foundational to this abuse is a narcissistic theology of priesthood which imagines a priest on an ontological scale somewhere between humanity and divinity. It is a terrible self-delusion, because it allows a priest to feel superior to lay people: to treat them as 'other' and 'lesser'. It is from this self-aggrandizing plateau that abuse can (and does) occur.

      A servant may not look down on his master, and it was servants that Christ commanded his disciples to become. Sadly, this model of priesthood has never really been acceptable to the Catholic Church, since hierarchy (a legacy of Judaism) has always been more appealing to it. In fact, the teaching of the Second Vatican Council, in its document 'Lumen Gentium', couldn't be further removed from the servant model of priesthood unless it considered ordained priests to be Christ's ontological equal. The document states that the ordained (or ministerial) priest 'by the sacred power that he has, forms and rules the priestly people... .' More fantastically, it goes on to say that the ordained priest 'effects the eucharistic sacrifice... '.

      Historically, it was Jesus who effected this sacrifice, since he made it clear to Pilate that he would lay down his life of his own accord, that no one could take it from him. Since the celebration of the Eucharist (Mass) is the re-presentation (rather than the re-enactment) of the Last Supper, then it remains a truism that the same historical Jesus 'effects' his own sacrifice.

      Until this worldly theology of priesthood is rectified, we shall continue to be scandalized by reports of clerical abuse.

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    19. "Historically, it was Jesus who effected this sacrifice, since he made it clear to Pilate that he would lay down his life of his own accord, that no one could take it from him. Since the celebration of the Eucharist (Mass) is the re-presentation (rather than the re-enactment) of the Last Supper, then it remains a truism that the same historical Jesus 'effects' his own sacrifice."

      This touched me! Great insight and teaching MC. :-)

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  5. Tirana? He'll be reading up on his Spartacus guide no doubt.

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  6. Again more anti-Catholic blogging. Get on with your own life and leave us Catholics alone. You are obsessed with us. Enjoy the life provided for you and be independent!

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    1. I am not anti Catholic.

      I am anti Catholic corruption.

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  7. I have to say that I'm surprised that Charlie hasn't got gleaming white All-American Boy teeth in the picture you post. He needs to get himself off to the teeth whitening dentist and perfect the image of the NAC trained clean cut cleric. He's letting down the side !

    On a more serious note, I agree with Pat when he says that he could not recommend to a young Catholic man to consider the priesthood as a way of life and vocation at present. By any measure, the way Catholic priesthood is lived these days is dysfunctional, and is harmful to the individual concerned and to the people on whom he will inflict himself. Steer clear, I tell young men, if and when they ask me. Until such time as there is a radical reassessment of the theology of priesthood and how it is lived which accords more with healthy and integrated living.

    I have some dealings with current seminarians. Nice lads. But, I do fear for them. They seem to live in a bubble, considering who they are and what they are to be with a sense of specialness, that ontological distinctness that they think is being conferred on them by their training and ordination. Their dress, their mannerisms, their vocabulary all point to this sense of being set apart, distinct, special. Sorry, but that is not healthy. Being elevated at such an early age by the system that trains them, by the people who are responsible for their formation, by the Church that they belong to, will lead to disappointment and unhappiness. They inhabit a system and culture that places them on a pedestal, they believe it, and yet the world will very quickly let them know that it is all shite, and they will take a great tumble, and very quickly be disillusioned. What is being done to them is unhealthy. I could go on as well about the rather prissy, homosexualised and particular culture they are part of, as well as the incredibly damaging effects of celibacy which is being required of them.

    For all of these reasons, and for many more, I would discourage young men from this life. Maybe when there are no priests, when we have fallen off the cliff, the Church will think again about what it means to be a priest and how to live such a life in a healthy, sane and integrated way. Then young men - and hopefully women by that stage - will be able to offer themselves for ministry without being damaged, or damaging others.

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    1. A very honest and objective comment. Thank you.

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    2. 11.29 I was brought up with an "elevated sense of priesthood" I do believe in the ontological nature of the call. However I am now getting used to a more community based notion of what it means to stand at an altar or indeed communion table as some may prefer to call it

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    3. You are just an apostate Page

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    4. You took the words right out of my mouth, 11:29.

      A priest is nothing more than a visible sign of CHRIST'S continuing redemptive activity in the world, not just in the Roman Catholic Church. But we all (clergy AND laity) are signs of this activity by virtue of our common priesthood.

      Priests cannot transubstantiate, cannot absolve sin, cannot confer baptismal grace, cannot command the Holy Spirit at confirmation. They do not make Christ present in a world in which he has always been present for there is nowhere where God is not (especially human hearts).

      A priest is useful to humanity only insofar as he allows himself to be shaped in Christ's image, but there is little of that happening in the world today. (Did Ab. E. Martin's black coat really cost 750 euros? If it did, that is setting a terrible example to others.)

      There is absolutely, totally, utterly no ontological transformation in a man at ordination. This narcissistic lie is the foundation of clericalism in the Church, and it shows in the lifestyles of men like Charles Brown (and Eamon Martin, if that coat really cost 750 euros).

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    5. So Holy Communion is not the Real Presence?

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    6. 15:08, I said there is nowhere where God is not. Therefore the Eucharist IS the real presence, but in a manner different from the presence of God in all matter, including non-matter.

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    7. Ok, so let me be clear. Only validly ordained priests can offer the Mass and by extension allow for the Real Presence to become Present through Transubstantiation in the species of bread and wine. Ergo, priests, no matter how sinful are necessary for the Holy Communion i.e. you cannt offer the Mass.

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    8. 13.42 Thank you for your insight I will contact my GP first thing in the morning

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    9. 17:55, Who said that only validly ordained priests can offer Mass? Whoever said it was wrong: only Christ can offer Mass, because only Christ was, as it were, victim. A mere, ordained priest is not victim here, except of a delusional theology of priesthood.

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    10. MC, you are not Catholic, thats fine. Peddle your version of Christianity-lite to those who are interested in it. The clue is in the url, wisecatholic, not an angry little troll.

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    11. Yes, 19:18, I AM Catholic, whether or not you like it, by virtue of my baptism. And this obligates me to pursue truth, whether or not you like it.

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    12. No, you are not Catholic. Excommunicated at best.

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    13. 22:35, the Jews 'excommunicated' Jesus, too. By nailing him to wood.

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    14. In addition to @22:35, mc is excommunicated by virtue of the simple reality that he does not accept the teaching of Christ. That being, You are Peter, Peter is the Pope, the doctrinal teaching of Peter will never be up for debate as he is the Vicar of Christ. Since you do not accept the teaching of the Church mc, jog on to another little bridge or someone will have to call billy goat gruff! Peace out players!

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    15. 22:51, I DO accept the teaching of Christ! Which is why so many of you are railing against me. Let's face it: Jesus' teaching was not popular...which is why he was crucified.

      You morons would crucify him if he re-incardinated today!

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    16. No you don't. Go back to your cave now troll, i tire of your idiotic entertainment Paul.

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  8. There are rich seams of gold in the catholic church and I am very lucky to have an excellent priest. There is also dreadful corruption. It's time to weed the garden before it kills the church. Pretending everything is lovely is the road to madness. I think bishop Pat does a good job (secretly he really loves the church and finds it hard to cope when it spoils itself like this)

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    1. Jane--You could have fooled me! But I think your heart is in the right place...

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  9. One of the few quotes I remember from college is "Christianity is not a religion" All we seem to hear about is sexuality corruption poor leadership all of which are structural issues and do need to be addressed. Where is the spirituality. Where is the love and knowledge of the real Jesus. Vocations are grown in parishes where there is a living church. When our parishes come alive vocations will sprout. How they are cultivated is another days work

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  10. I thank God that I have no children to offer to the Roman Catholic priesthood and any young men who have asked be about it I've sent them away with enough information for them to think again.
    As Pope Frankie says better to be an atheist than a bad Catholic.

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  11. "Where is the spirituality?" said Sean. Where indeed! I agree with him and I also think this is why a balanced outlook and balanced reporting is essential on all Church matters. We are reminded again and again of the faults, the negligences and the historical wrongs which must not be repeated and that is absolutely right and proper. If we don't acknowledge these wrongs we do the victims a great injustice and we learn nothing and so would be doomed to repeat them. So yes, we must draw emphatic attention as this blog does every day with continual turning over of hidden dark stones and bringing every possible perpetrator into the merciless scrutiny of daylight. That said, it is disingenuous to present a completely unbalanced picture of the Church, a picture which is relentlessly negative and which never gives credit and above all encouragement to all the good members, both priests and laity who do their best amidst the onslaught of criticism. These good people work hard and deserve credit and justice also and they are legion.. both in Ireland and in Missionary situations of many, many kinds worldwide. If our young people are not made aware of their potential for making a wonderful contribution in one of these situations, is it any wonder that their view of the Church is so distorted and jaundiced that any thought of a religious vocation would be instantly dismissed. After all, no one wants to join a sinking ship! I look at people who are continually cursing the darkness and search (sadly, often in vain) for the slightest sign that they are willing to acknowledge the good and that they are lighting even one candle of encouragement.-- And they should be able to do that without a barrage of abuse or worse still, unwarranted accusations that they are somehow approving of a coverup! That must surely be the ultimate insult to these people who are struggling to find better ways for everyone. God bless. Cecily.

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  12. Just decided to give up reading this blog Bishop Pat mainly because of Magna Carta and his bullying of people on here. The fact that he is allowed to bully people on here is that he is being facilitated by you. I just find the blog has lost its way and a few others I discuss the blog with have already given up. I decided to give it a chance and a benefit of the doubt but after Magna Carta on here yet again today bullying people and being condescending to them in his replies means I've had enough.

    Magna Carta and you Pat can respond but I'm just glad I won't be able to read any reply. I wish you well as I've found another web page were there is healthy debate without any nasty, arrogant and rude contributors. If you continue to allow this imbecile to humiliate people on here then others will lose interest. Thank you and God Bless.

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    1. I'm genuinely sorry to be lising you.

      MC has a right to comnent. Can you not just skip his comments if they annoy you?

      He does say some very wise things?

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    2. I'm genuinely sorry to be losing you.

      MC has a right to comnent. Can you not just skip his comments if they annoy you?

      He does say some very wise things?

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    3. Pat cop on. MC is just an arrogant angry little person. You just want someone to massage your ego and opinions.

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    4. Agree with you 16:38.
      Magna Carta is invariably unpleasant and exceptionally nasty.
      If he has said some 'wise things' I can also do without them.

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    5. Totally agree! It's about time someone stood up to MC; he's a nightmare...
      As a bishop Pat, you must uphold the values of love and fairness for all - where's the love and fairness in blatant bullying?

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    6. 16:38, I've just read your little comment. There is nothing so belittling to a grown-up (I presume you're an adult, at least chronologically) as posting one's self- pity online.

      I'm not a bully, but I am a good (and learned) debater. This clearly irks you, wounds your immature pride. You would have me silenced for this, just as Roman Catholic clerics sought to silence others for the quality of THEIR debate and learning.

      History is full of little people like you, who turn to tyranny when words and ideas fail them, as, indeed, they must fail such closed and tiny minds.

      You present yourself as a good, but wounded person. And yet, you, and others on this blog, see no contradiction between this and calling me such names as 'imbecile'.

      I faced your hypocritical kind before, when I was at school. I was the clever boy, by far, in my class, and I was bullied by people like you, driven to hatred of me by intellectual jealousy. Your kind makes me sick! You can't win a debate with me, so you turn to other tactics, like bame-calling. Or attempted manipulation of Bishop Buckley, so you can have me silenced that your own, intellectually myopic opinions might remain unchallenged. So you are not just a hypocrite and a bully yourself; you're a coward, too.

      Good riddance.

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    7. Is it any wonder you were bullied at school? You're an unbearable oaf!

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  13. Pat why do you alloe MC to run riot? Ridiculing and attacking people at will? You are an enabler and a hypocrite.

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  14. One Totally agrees with the poster at 16.38 in relation to Magna Carta. Bishop Pat you don't realise how many have been turned off this blog because of this creature, I personally know several. I myself continue to read the blog whilst gritting my teeth at Magna Carta, I found your response to the poster at 16.38 to be totally inadequate in your defence of Magna Carta. It smacks of a typical Bishop's response and rebuttal. Magna Carta may say wise things in your eyes but that's no defence of the nasty way this person treats people on this blog. If there is no improvement to this situation I too will walk away. That pains me as I have been a loyal follower and contributor to this blog whilst also a supporter of you. I'm afraid that's all waning. A Friend

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    1. My sentiments exactly. MC MUST GO!

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  15. That rant from Magna Carta at 18.39 that you allowed Pat sums up the whole problem with this person. After seemingly genuine people appealed to you Pat about this person you allowed this horrid man to belittle their concerns and you allowed him to humiliate them yet again. Sorry Pat you have really misjudged this one and I will no longer be reading this blog. You and the blog have lost your way. Goodbye.

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  16. Magna Carta,
    One of your immense and unique genius should realise that if you are not wanted somewhere you should disappear - permanently.

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  17. That says a lot about your judgement Jane I'm afraid.

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    1. It certainly does! -She is obviously a good judge of people - -

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  18. @Pat Have you seen the photographs on The Irish College Website of the play the seminarians staged on Friday evening. The Cardinal (Brady) in the front seat watching it like an orphan. Who pays for him to go to Rome? Is there any need?

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  19. Bishop Pat, if what these people are doing isn't a fine example of the bullying they pretend to oppose, then I don't know what is.

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    1. MC there's a BIG difference between bullying and simply stating facts. On this occasion, it's a simple statement of facts. The fact being, of course, you're absolutely insufferable!

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    2. 22:38, Jesus was 'insufferable', too.

      Be careful! What you do to others you do to him.

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    3. 22:38, 'insufferable'? So, too, was Christ...to tiny minds and hearts...like yours.

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  20. Bishop Pat you and your blog are losing serious credibility as a result of this horrible vile individual. He speaks like a failed Seminarian or Priest and you continually endorse the venom that comes from his mouth. I'm not surprised when someone told me earlier he was thrown off other blogs, he now seems to have latched well and truly on to yours. The sad thing is you seem to ratify his taunting of people. How can we take this blog seriously if you are seen to endorse the sort of behaviour you often condemn others for. Can't you see what one sad individual is doing to your blog? He failed to destroy other blogs.

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    1. 22:40, 'horrible vile individual'? Are these the words of Christ? Did he empty himself for a 'vile horrible individual'?

      Grow up!

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  21. I have to say I don't understand where this vitriole came from. Personally I enjoy MC's comments. I don't feel he bullies anyone more than he is bullied himself for expressing a strong opinion. Furthermore I don't believe people have been turning away in their droves from this blog but since MC is one of the few that are prepared to identify themselves with regularity it is hard to say. I do get a sense that a lot of the moaners aren't a) as knowledgeable and b) intellectual and certainly pushing Bishop Pat to remove him is as bullying as anything they accuse him of. Just turn the other cheek... And lastly, I once had a response from MC to something I posted that showed great compassion.

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    1. Thank you. You have no idea what this means to me, that I actually helped someone through my commenting here. Thank you.

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    2. 23.04 You are totally deluded in what you say, you are in fact MC yourself but posting anonymously. This is his usual behaviour as on other blogs that he is no longer allowed to be a part of.

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    3. 23.04 Can you provide the evidence please for your silly assertion that people are not turning away in their droves from the blog because of Magna Carta. I can't recall anyone claiming earlier that people have left in their droves, I distinctly remember someone saying several people have turned away, that does not constitute droves. Anyway I'm done with this blog, not wasting my time or energy with it anymore.

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    4. 23.04 So if only a few are offended then really we are not looking at a majority opinion that MC should go. But in any event if you re-read what you wrote you will see that you actually agree with me by way of contradicting yourself. We both agree that people are not turning away in their droves....

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  22. Bishop Pat for the sake of the integrity of your own blog get rid of the idiot Magna Carta [sic]. I was the first person to draw attention to his vile and pompous musings and I am glad to see that there are many who agree with me. He is running riot all over your blog, and as a result, ruining it. You must take action now and stop posting his banal and vacuous comments. Any one who calls himself Magna Carta, after the greatest document in the English language tells you all you need to know. A pompous, self opinionated empty vessel who makes, oh so much noise, but does not write a single word of value. Drop him.

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    1. 23:29, I pity you for your pride, and wilful ignorance.

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  23. So called Bishop Pat is obviously under the thumb of MC ....or maybe they are one and same people. ??

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  24. Oh good grief 23.29. Would you ever just read what you wrote and then take a long hard look in the mirror and ask if the same does not apply to you. This is a silly and now boring argument. Time for bed children.

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  25. 23.29 101% agree with you. Couldn't have put it better myself.

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  26. Pat why have you not responded all evening and tonight to concerns being raised? You're normally never slow to respond, does that mean you are sitting back and enjoying this very sad situation. You are quick to criticise the Irish Hirearchy for not responding but you are just as bad. How are we to take your future criticisms seriously? You are treating the complaints of many blog readers today with contempt which is why this blog has degenerated into a total farce.

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  27. MC tells Pat what Pat wants to hear. If he was someone who was pointing out good points of the Church, he would have been dropped long ago!

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