Thursday, 13 April 2017

NORTHAMPTON DIOCESE "HONESTY"





If you take a look at the website of THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF NORTHAMPTON you might be surprised about the diocese's honesty to two priests who are "in trouble".



These are the statements:

4th April - Statement relating to St Aidan's Parish, Northampton

Father David Clark, a priest of the Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon, has been serving in parishes in the UK for several years while conducting research at Cambridge. Since 2014, he has been Priest in Charge at St Aidan’s Parish in Northampton.   Immediately before his appointment to Northampton, Father Clark served in the Diocese of Brentwood where a number of financial irregularities have now been investigated. The Crown Prosecution Service has just issued two charges of fraud by false representation against Father Clark.   In accordance with the Charities Act and Canon Law, the Bishop has suspended Father Clark from public ministry until the outcome of the charges is known. Suspension is a normal procedure and does not imply guilt. When Father Clark was notified of the suspension, he was offered accommodation within the Diocese of Northampton as well as clergy support.   Father Clark had already tendered his resignation as from 30 April when the priests of the Cathedral would take responsibility for the pastoral care of the Parish. In the circumstances, this arrangement will take immediate effect.   Please pray for Father Clark at this difficult time.

9th March -  Press Statement


FATHER BAILEY


Father Patrick Bailey, a priest of the Diocese of Northampton, has been interviewed as part of a police investigation into allegations of the non-recent sexual abuse of adults. He is due to be formally charged with four specific offences next month.  
Following the interview with police, Father Bailey voluntarily withdrew from all active ministry. This was in accord with the National Safeguarding Procedures of the Catholic Church in England & Wales. Father Bailey continues not to be involved in any active ministry. 
The Right Reverend Peter Doyle, Bishop of Northampton, affirmed that the Diocese would continue to co-operate fully with the police investigation as the safeguarding of children and vulnerable people is of paramount importance to the Catholic Church. He assured all involved of his prayers and concern. 
 At present, it would not be appropriate to make any further comment.  
Father Paul Hardy - Bishop’s Press Officer

Bedford priest, 84, arrested for sex offences

An 84-year-old former Bedford priest is facing four historic charges under the Sexual Offences Act. Father Patrick Bailey was in charge of the Holy Child and St Joseph Catholic church in Midland Road for many years. He was also once the Director for Education for the Northampton Diocese.

Two of the charges refer to indecent assaults that allegedly happened in Bedford between November 1989 and October 2001. They relate to two different men, both over 16 years of age. Father Bailey faces two further charges of intentionally touching another man in a sexual manner. 

These charges relate to alleged incidents that happened in Chesham, Buckinghamshire, between December 2012 and August 2013. Father Bailey now lives at a nursing home in Aylesbury. A spokesman for the Northampton Diocese said the priest voluntarily withdrew from all active ministry following his police interview.


Bishop of Northampton, the Rt Reverend Peter Doyle, said the Diocese would cooperate fully with the police.

BISHOP DOYLE (LEFT)


PAT SAYS:

The guilt or innocence of these two men are not for us to judge. That job is being done by the police and the civil authorities.

But what is remarkable is that these announcements are actually on the DIOCESAN web site!

If that was in an Irish diocese there would not be a word about it on the diocesan web site.

And if you heard about it somewhere else and went to the Irish diocesan web site to check on these priests names all you would see are things like:


c/o Bishop's House

or

On sabbatical

or 

Pursuing further studies


An elderly Northampton serving parish priest who keeps this Blog informed about matters in Northampton and other English dioceses has suggested that this Northampton policy of putting clerical misdemeanors on the web site is simply a "tactic" by Bishop Doyle and his PR advisers.

In other words put the info on the website and say:


 "At present, it would not be appropriate to make any further comment".


That may very well be the case? But at least it shows that certain English bishops have learned the lesson that complete "cover up" is not working and getting you nowhere.

Even if it is a "tactic" it is a far better tactic than the c/o Bishop's House tactic.

Maybe their Irish "Lordships" might consider the English tactic ???





92 comments:

  1. Pat, I was just curious to know if Bishop Peter Doyle has any Irish roots?

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    1. Well, you would certainly expect Irish roots with such a strongly Irish(Leinster origins since Viking times)name as Doyle-- though he, himself may have been born to a family settled for one or more generations in Britain

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    2. Doyle does not like it when peolle say he is Irish.

      He had won a scholarship to Sandhurst to become a British Army officer.

      He says his ancestry is French - D'Oyle ???

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    3. Patrick Leo McCartie was bishop of Northampton. He never used the name Patrick but his middle name Leo instead. He always cringed when someone referred to him as Irish and always insisted he had no Irish roots. When he was Administrator at St Chads Cathedral in Birmingham he cancelled the annual clergy dinner on St Patrick's day for the Irish Clergy in Birmingham. A lot of English Bishops with Irish heritage have long denied any association with Ireland.
      Former Birmingham PP

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    4. How dare they regard Irish ancestry as something to deny and be ashamed of! Well.. that says it all really..

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    5. Bishop Cunningham of Hexham and Newcastle, a native of Mayo, never talks about his Irish ancestry.

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    6. As an Irish Seminarian who studied in an English Seminary I was constantly taunted by Staff and students about where I came from. The Rector of the Seminary made a joke one day over lunch in the refectory that I came from Eire which produced much laughter. I was always constantly referred to as "Mick" or "Paddy". Little did they realise that the English and Welsh Church as we know it now would have died a death without the Irish Clergy. They would have no roads, motorways or health system without the "Micks" and "Paddies".

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    7. To 16 04.
      That was disgraceful. You were racially harassed. Nowadays, that is illegal but I know it still goes on with unenlightened, ignorant people. To add insult to injury, you would have been regarded as having "no sense of humour" "if you didn't laugh it off---and yes, you're quite right - - Ireland, whatever its undoubted present shortcomings , was already well established as the "Land of Saints and Scholars sending missionaries and teachers all over the world when many of these other places were barely civilised or" still in the trees "as one of my university professors often put it in a history lecture.

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    8. Bishop Cunningham and I attended the same seminary - St Johns in Waterford.

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    9. Cunningham never acknowledges that past in Waterford Pat. Declan Donnelly's brother (Ant and Dec) is a Priest of Hexham and Newcastle. Sadly Fr Donnelly doesn't mention his past from Desertmartin in Co. Derry.
      Newcastle on Tyne Old Duffer

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    10. Was the seminary in the south of England? If you scratch the surface in the north of England, most are of Irish descent.

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    11. Yes, the South Jane but if you scratch the surface it exists wherever you are in England, North or South. There are a lot of Irish too in the South of England as well as the North The only problem is that it stemmed from the English Clergy towards the Irish, believe me, that's a whole can of worms that Pat has opened on this blog and good for him.

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    12. As an Irish Seminarian in an English seminary I was treated with the utmost dignity, equality and brotherhood.

      This was the fact opposite to what I found in Maynooth where I was abused by staff like Donal O'Neill and seminarians like... plenty of choice really. Screw Irish seminaries, and their gay mafia. In Ireland no celibate and no hetro need apply.

      Diesel and matched for Maynooth; pause only to lock the seminary council in.

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  2. Good Friday A day to come clean. England has "imported" priests for many years. It would seem problems are sometimes part of the package. Will problems arise with Ireland's "imported" clergy.

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    1. Let's hope they don't import you then as you've defected to the Church of England.

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    2. I didn't defect. It was a journey of discovery that lead me to where I am. I never started out with an intention of being part of any church. For 10 years I did not attend church or chapel. Thank God I never turned my back on God and can empathize with those who feel the system has let them down but who are genuine God fearing folk. As for going back. I'm glad to be distanced from much of what I read on here. I would find the atmosphere opressed. As you say 13.13 I hope they don't import me. So do I

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  3. MourneManMichael14 April 2017 at 09:36

    Whether it's a 'tactic' or not, at least there's some straightforwardness about it.
    Whether this honesty is because the English bishops can no longer rely on the subservience of the cradle catholic mentality is a moot point.
    That the Irish cradle catholic subservience is fast diminishing is something the Irish bishops seem not to realise. They still seem to believe in the old mushroom adage: "Keep them in the dark and feed them sh*t."

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  4. it says it happened in brentwood diocese - nothing on their website about it?

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  5. In view of the above, where, oh where, is the former "Dean" of Belfast one wonders?

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    1. In his spacious holiday home at Portstewart, Nothern Ireland, one imagines?

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    2. I certainly hope the Diocese didn't pay for it!

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    3. This is one of the busiest Church service weeks of the year and not priests are not usually on leave until at least after the Masses on Easter Sunday morning. I should have thought that would have been obvious but apparently not..

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    4. Where is Dean Curry of Dungannon? Amy won't tell us anything let alone put it on the Armagh website. It's a bit like North Korea media sanctions. Why send the naughty Priests into Louth?

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    5. Anon at 12:26, no the diocese didn't pay for it. The holiday home belongs to the Kennedy Dynasty. The Dean loves it there. He can relax and let his hair down - you see - away from the rude rabble's gaze.

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    6. When you say the Kennedy Dynasty would that be the Kennedy Bakery? Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you say, just wondering.

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    7. Indeed, yes, the famous bakery. Baps to die for - just like Big Lily.

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    8. Lol, I'll give you that, lol.

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  6. Who is that well nourished priest in the photograph with Bishop Doyle. Is it Father Montgomery of Westminster Diocese?

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    1. This is not Fr Montgomery recently ordained and Assistant Priest of Enfield Parish, Westminster. He is a Seminarian of the Beda College in Rome and well respected. A former Anglican and likes his food and drink, no harm in that.
      Westminster PP

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    2. no the large priest next to that freeloader doyle is canon michael griffiths former pp at our ladys corby retired on health grounds 3 years and returned to swansea s wales his home town

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  7. Who is that rotund Priest Pat?

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    1. Priests nowadays like to think they're not square..

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  8. I don't know, Maybe some of our English priest readers might help?

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    1. That Priests name is Fr Michael Griffiths of Northampton.

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    2. Another reader has just emailed to say it is a Welsh priest ???

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    3. I think Fr Griffiths now lives in Wales. He was posted to the island of St Helena in the mid Atlantic near the Falkland Islands but it didn't work out.

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    4. Please leave Fr Griffiths alone, he is a holy Priest who wouldn't say a bad word against anyone. He is now living a quiet life in Wales. Leave him alone.

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    5. Griffiths, "who wouldn't say a bad word against anyone", lol. Have we got the same person mixed up.

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  9. I must say Pat that I'm impressed looking at the Northampton website. The bishop seems very open, his diary is published unlike any Irish Bishop, some of his homilies are published including yesterday's Chrism Mass. He seems quite honest in the Chrism Mass homily by admitting he will be six priests short by September.

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  10. Going off the point Pat but I cringed last night at Mass in Armagh Cathedral. Amy in her homily started singing in Latin, God knows what the young people thought even though there wasn't many of them there. She rabbited on about respect for the Eucharist and how we shouldn't tittle tattle in Church. I wonder what respect Rory had for the Eucharist? Or what respect the naughty priests sent to Co Louth have respect for the Eucharist? Why would a young Priest be running around on the sanctuary after Amy dressed in lace like a 60 year old?

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    1. (Sadie on the sofa) I'm not sure about lace on a 60 yr old myself mind you... Is it comin' back in or what?

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    2. Take yourself off to an Extraordinary Form Latin Mass anywhere across the world - plenty of young people. One of the few areas of growth. Only the elderly are especially attached to guitars and banal liturgies it appears. Plenty of those in Ireland, hence the freefall.

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    3. Have you never heard about Vatican II? I'd rather be in a beautiful garden than an old stuffy museum. It's time you probably opened the shutters of that old stuffy museum, It can be quite liberating. Try it sometime as Easter is the perfect timing.

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    4. I have indeed. Now, in this liberated world of yours, how are you getting on with the empty seminaries, the empty pews, the liturgies that are embarrassing in their banality, the priests dressed as clowns? Is the liturgical dancing touching your heart, even if it has driven the youth away? Is singing those little meaningless ditties to the strains of a guitar the very best of craic? No doubt in hundreds of years time, people will be looking at it all and thinking "WOW. The beauty of the effects of Vatican II is blowing me away". How's it all working out for you?

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  11. NO pat, not so much a tactic of honesty, on the part of Doyle and the other English bishops, more of yet another example of their Lordships throwing their priests to the wolves. You can maybe begin to understand why morale is so low in the priesthood over here as the relationship between priests and their "fathers in God" has been completely destroyed. Whether guilty or not, any priest, anywhere, who has any allegation made against him, however cracked the one making the allegation is, or has proven to be, will be kicked out and thrown to the wolves. As one kindly bishop said to one of his senior priests who was falsely accused of historic abuse "your on your own now!" Don't get me wrong, if a priest (or a bishop - yes it has happened!) has committed a crime, then they need to face the consequences of the process of investigation and prosecution. No one doubts that. But that is a world away from what contains now. Since the adoption of the Nolan Report any allegation will be believed and the priest will be placed on Administrative Leave immediately. Sure they will spout that rubbish about "being innocent until proven guilty, etc" but the priest will have had his reputation destroyed in an instant, will have lost his home, his income and his parish. Is it any wonder that there are no vocations in England and Wales? There is no trust between priests and their bishops. I commend the Irish bishops if they have proceeded carefully and on a case by case basis in dealing with these matters. It seems to me that there still remains so semblance of that paternal / fraternal relationship that must exist between bishops and their priests if the ordained ministry is to have any life or future at all.

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    1. This IS a very sad situation.

      When a priest is accused he, like all other accused, should be PRESUMED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

      I think it ok for such a priest to step aside pending the outcome of the matter - but he should step aside as innocent and not suffer any punishments.

      Furthermore I think that the priest's name and identity should be protected - like the victims - and NOT PUBLISHED if found innocent.

      The current situation is not only sad but deeply unjust.

      It does not help true victims to destroy the lives of innocent priests.

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    2. Re/post 13.34
      I think that quote should be "You're on your own now" - - a perfect opportunity to show the correct use of "you're" and "your".

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    3. Our Lady, Refuge of Pedants, pray for us. Saint Francis de Sales, Patron of Writers, pray for the poster at 14:34 who in his foolishness points outs the flaws of others, while luxuriating in bad grammar, a lack of commas and an unseemly attachment to the misuse of the dash.

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    4. Pat you would never made and shame!

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    5. That poster did not misuse the dash. Sorry, but you are wrong.

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    6. In what way did the Pedant use the dash correctly? Is a double en dash separated by a space a known construct in English grammar now?

      Not that it matters of course - the point of grammar is to make meaning clear, nothing more. I am merely making the point that the Pedant is being tedious, with the underlying implication that the typical grammar pedant is one blessed with more modest intellectual abilities.

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    7. Oh dear! With regards to pedants, it takes one to know one.

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    8. 17:47 seems to have had difficulty following this thread, bless him (or her)! Perhaps they are the original Pedant, the one busy correcting the errors of others while making his own errors, rather than the other poster who was calling out the Pedant for being a tedious bore.

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    9. Ha ha! -Keep going. (Hands up those who have a clue what 18.26 etc is on about. One mixed up kid, is he not)

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    10. Pat, you are contradicting yourself here to a huge degree. At the top of this post you approve of the Northampton Diocese's action in publishing the names (and photos) of the two priests in question, and before they have been tried, not to mention convicted. And at 13.48 you say you believe they should be entitled to the presumption of innocence before trial. Now, as has been said above, once an allegation has been made that's effectively the end of the person's reputation. Think of the Birmingham Six and the practice of the gutter press posting terrible things about them which they knew to be untrue - but they did it anyway knowing that mud sticks.

      Which way do you want it? You can't have it both ways.

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  12. Father, I am told by Priest friends in Northampton that Bishop Doyle is a kindly man. One described him as "too kind" to be a bishop. It seems they look after their sick and retired clergy extremely well and I presume those in trouble too. I'm envious that we don't have him in our own diocese.
    East Anglia Priest

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    1. Found the blog today most interesting indeed. I was interested in what you said East Anglia Priest at 13.57. I was told too that Northampton, despite its faults, look after their Clergy very well. Is that Pat not the good test of a Bishop? I was always told the old adage that a Bishop can be judged justly about how he cares for his Priests. I was also told today after enquiry that Bishop Doyle was the first English Bishop to appoint a lay Secretary unlike others who shackle a Priest to such an Office. He seems a humble and kind man, I hear nothing but good about him, a proper good English gentleman I'm led to believe.
      Shrewsbury Diocese

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  13. AMY MARTIN UPDATE

    Pat, I thought you and your readers would like to know that the theme of Amy's homily at yesterday's Chrism Mass in Armagh was her receding hair line and increasing waist line !!!

    What a topic for a homily?

    Armagh PP.

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  14. Considering all the so called "missing" priests and others who are dropping by the wayside, are you sure Amy wasn't preaching about "receding heir line" and "increasing waste.."?

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    1. Genius at work!

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    2. Where is the disappeared former Bishop of Leeds, Arthur Roche? He was sent to Rome and was made an Archbishop, I was told Rome doesn't want him no more and is surplus to requirements. Just wondered where he is now hanging out? How the mighty have fallen. A nasty piece of work if ever there was one.

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    3. I thought he was looking at that horrible new translation of the mass.

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  15. It is a very sad reflection that making press statements could be a 'tactic' of appearing open while throwing people to the wolves. Unfortunately some people are only open because they are forced to be, and some people do see everything tactically.
    On the other hand, say if a man has some family or personal problems, or is even thinking that the priesthood isn't for him, I do think it right that he should have privacy to deal with those things.
    I'm specifically thinking of some of the priests mentioned previously here who have gone 'on sabbatical' shortly after ordination and never gone back. I have a feeling that with the frankly barmy or non-existent 'formation' people get these days it is actually likely that things will fall apart very quickly after ordination or profession.
    Certainly in England the Catholic church is often seen as heavily influenced by Irish influence; that said at my Catholic school I was amazed at how a boy was teased because his family visited relatives in Ireland, when most of those teasing were also of Irish descent. I have also heard Irish-descent Catholics in England say that the Irish make better Catholics.
    Frankly I'm fast coming to the conclusion that the two biggest problems in the world are people and religion!

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    1. As a priest serving in Wales (1976 - 1978) I was subjected to racial harrassment by clergy.

      One of them always shouted: "Dirty Dublin" at me and would say during meals: "Irish men's brains are between their legs".

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    2. Dublin is quite dirty though to be fair - maybe he was just being factual?

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    4. Whether or not Dublin was dirty was absolutely no excuse for harassment of a colleague. Disgraceful.

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  16. On the contrary. Archbishop Arthur is planning his move to Westminster to succeed his pal Cardinal Vincent Nicholls. Arthur is well in with Pope Francis and has been tasked by him with overseeing the revision of the disastrous translation of the Missal for the English speaking world which he oversaw and spearheaded during the pontificate of Pope Benedict. During that pontificate he was greatly in favour of that translation and ordered dissenting bishops to be silent. All of a sudden he is not so keen (I wonder is that anything to do with Pope Francis not being so keen?). Arthur has as many faces as the town clock and there will be resignations en masse would he ever get the tap for Ambroseden Avenue. He really thinks he will.

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    1. I totally agree with you at 17.17. If Arthur Roche appeared back in an English diocese, the Clergy would run for the hills. Arthur is not in with Francis whatsoever and there is lays the problem, his oversight of the translation of the Mass has been total folly. He was Bishop of Leeds before going to Rome, closed many Churches in his former Diocese before pissing off. Next week the English and Welsh Bishops are having their Conference meeting not in England or Wales but in Rome. A total jolly hosted by the English College and other places, best of wine flowing, tins of pasta, a few meetings thrown in. You couldn't make it up.

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    2. Arthur is generally regarded as not the brightest spark around. Francis' giving him the job of reviewing the document which sets out principles of translation to be followed in the liturgy (Liturgiam authenticam) - the one which Roche enthusiastically promoted at the time is actually not a sign of papal favour, but in fact a poisoned chalice. If you look at the composition of the commission which Roche heads, he won't get away with much from them. It will be most interesting to see how this unfolds.

      The Irish bishops didn't need much encouragement from Roche. They sheepishly accepted the curial document - even though it turned the role of bishops and curia upside down. Now in the era of Francis bishops' conferences are being encouraged to find their voice once more - particularly over and against the curia.

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  17. Fathers Montgomery and Griffiths are big buddies.

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  18. Lol Pat a good place to keep the brain active.

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  19. Stop relying to this grammar clown. I have done so already. You just give him/her more attention by commenting. Let's just ignore him/ her. Total dimwit.

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    1. I agree with you certainly. The grammar correction was a fair comment and no need to follow it up with all that silly chat

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    2. The grammar correction was absurd - the person who corrected the grammar (your/you're - who was confused?) couldn't use grammar properly himself but felt the need to attempt to belittle someone else.

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    3. That is right certainly. (As you say. you were confused.)

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  20. Father Montgomery is the biggest gossip in Westminster. Get him drunk and he would reveal all the secrets of Westminster Diocese and dioceses far beyond it. He was held back one year before Ordination from the Beda College by Vincent Nichols because of his gossiping mouth. Just shows the level of Seminarians Bishops are prepared to ordain.

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    1. 23:02 Aren't you just being gossipy? How come he knows all the secrets of different dioceses?

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  21. I remember at college one professor used to say in the debating seminars ".. and so if you've any ideas, gentlemen,don't sit on them..speak up and let's be having them on the table"
    So that was it all along! .. At last I understand!

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  22. Thought Charlie landsboro was down, don't know why they have steps in studios without an escort on them

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  23. Pat are you going to do a blog about those ancient franciscians that live poorly....that is if they do
    Think they in Bradford

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    1. The Francicans of Renewal who have taken over St Patrick's Parish in Bradford. A Parish closed by Arthur Roche, bishop of Leeds. You have been watching the BBC1 documentary last night. Marcus Stock, who was Archbishop Nichols right hand man in Birmingham on Education (funny that) is now the current Bishop of Leeds and was shown on that programme last night.




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  24. Such a gossiping thread
    Some of you posting here should be on Fr ted

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    1. Is Fr Ted not still dead though?

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  25. The priest shortage in Northampton diocese is so acute that the bishop himself supplies in parishes when a PP is on holiday.

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    1. That is commendable by the Bishop. Here in Ireland you would be lucky to get the Bishop to conduct a Confirmation let alone a weekend supply. What do the Irish Bishops do at weekends? It sounds as if they could take a lesson from their English counterparts.

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  26. Gossip; any news on fr Francis 'the bottle' Ferry?

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  27. Northampton Diocese is now taking in Priests from India. I may be incorrect Pat, I think Furious Fonsie is doing the same in Waterford.

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    1. Nothing unusual about that. Northern parishes have welcomed some excellent ones eg Fr Paul in Holy Family, Belfast

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  28. Rev. Pat, although I am interested in your blog and the goings on in the Irish Church, it's quite refreshing indeed that you turn your attention to the Church in England and Wales. Please keep blogging about England and Wales because sometimes we feel neglected, we appreciate the light you shine into our darkness. Can I thank you please.

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  29. And Scotland...especially now that their politics are a little more interesting than the football

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  30. Just to update this thread.
    Father David Clark appeared at Basildon Crown Court this week. He was acquitted of all charges. He is innocent. He is a good man.
    Deo Gratias.

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