"THE MEMORY OF JESUS IS BOTH SACRED AND SUBVERSIVE"
Tuesday, 9 May 2017
AMY DEFENDS CHURCH
Church’s good deeds ‘almost obliterated’
The Irish Times
Decades of service by countless nuns and priests in education and healthcare are being “almost obliterated by a revised and narrow narrative that religious ethos cannot be good for democracy”, Catholic Primate Archbishop Eamon Martin has said.
He said there was a view that religious ethos stands “against the progress and flourishing of society and the rights of citizens” and there was a tendency in some public discussion to give the impression that things related to faith were “unconnected with reason”.
“In fact every Catholic position on concrete morals is argued from reason even when there exists a biblical warrant for that position,” he said.
Archbishop Martin was speaking at the University of East Anglia in England yesterday night where he delivered the Newman lecture on The Church in the Public Sphere – a Perspective from Ireland.
His comments come after major controversy over the Sisters of Charity being given ownership of the planned new national maternity hospital, prompting calls for a total separation between church and state.
There has also been a long running debate over the church’s patronage of more than 90 per cent of the State’s 3,200 primary schools, with many parents calling for more options as to where their children are educated.
Archbishop Martin said it was “simply not true that the Catholic Church has a desire to create a theocracy in Ireland, North or South.
“However, the church does expect that in a true pluralist democracy or republic, religion and faith will continue to have an important part to play in the national conversation.”
He was convinced “that the failures of the past must not be allowed to define us, but should instead help all of us in the public sphere learn lessons for the present about where church and society might today be similarly marginalising the poor, stigmatising the unwanted or failing to protect the most vulnerable”.
The role of religion and faith in Irish society had been “hugely impacted by secularisation and is evidenced by a steady decline in church attendance and in vocations to the priesthood and religious life,” he said.
Archbishop Martin cited the State’s most recent census (2016), which showed the numbers identifying as Catholic had fallen by 132,220 since 2011 and that the numbers declaring no religion had risen by 198,610 in the same period.
The figures, he said, confirmed “that we have moved, or at least are rapidly moving, from a society in which it was virtually impossible not to believe in God, to one in which faith is one human possibility among others”.
"Every Catholic position is argued from reason".
Limbo - which is now closed was "argued from reason" ?
The whole human being was contained in the male sperm and the woman only provided the "oven that baked the bread" was "argued from reason".
The Virgin Birth was "argued from reason".
Not eating meat on Fridays, which is now allowed, was "argued from reason"?
"The vagina is the gateway to hell" was "argued from reason"?
"The voice of the bishop is the voice of God" was "argued from reason"?
"The pope is infallible" was "argued from reason"?
"Decades of service by countless nuns and priests in education and healthcare are being “almost obliterated
Not true! We all know about and are grateful to all the good priests, nuns and Christian Brothers who did great good in their lifetimes. I am never done talking about and telling stories of, the good priests, nuns and monks I have met in my life. But we also remember that by running schools, hospitals and other institutions the Church received millions and millions of pounds from the state that has left most religious orders as multi millionaires. And we also remember all the good mothers, fathers, doctors, nurses, teachers, bus drivers, dinner ladies, etc who showed wonderful dedication to their vocations over the same decades - and their successors do not have the money in the bank the Church and religious orders have! AND.................. When the Waterford swimming coach Billy Keneally was recently sentenced to 14 years in prison for abusing boys for decades his priest uncle said: "He was good to his mother"!
Does Amy want us to forget the horrific scandals - the abuse of children - the Tuam septic tank babies etc because priests and nuns did good in the past and got paid millions for the good they did? That will not be happening! And why should it?
"Martin said it was “simply not true that the Catholic Church has a desire to create a theocracy in Ireland, North or South".
Ok. What is controlling 90% + of our schools about then? What is wanting to control the new National Maternity Hospital ( Euro 300,000,000) about then?
"The role of religion and faith in Irish society had been “hugely impacted by secularisation and is evidenced by a steady decline in church attendance and in vocations to the priesthood and religious life,”
Good! Ireland must become a 21st century secular, pluralist Europen democracy. That's what most of us Irish citizens want. That why I, as a catholic, a priest and a bishop want. I don't need or want the state to bolster up my faith. I have God and His Holy Spirit for that. And I do not want to foist my faith, my beliefs, my religion on any of my fellow country men and women by having my beliefs enshrined in either the constitution or laws of my country. I want the freedom to practice my faith - and that is not in danger. As far as I am concerned the place for the Catholic religion is in the church, the home and if required a Catholic Sunday school. In fact the only ones making it difficult for me to wear my clerical collar in public these days (which I always do anyway) is not the state, the populace or the police - but the priests and bishops who have disgraced my faith and my calling by abuse and the cover up of abuse!
So, Amy, if you are serious about not wanting your Catholic theocracy let you and your fellow hierarchs keep your hands off my constitution, my laws, my schools, my hospitals etc. They tell me you studied and taught mathematics? That figures because it seems to me that you are not the brightest button on the shirt when it comes to theology, civics and social and political science! Amy you want us to believe that all the problems of the Catholic Church are in the PAST? Then: 1. Why are you giving you full support to Maynooth / Gaynooth? 2. Why are you turning a blind eye to clerical misbehaviour in your own diocese? 3. Why do you not acknowledge letters of complaint and meet the complainants? I'm afraid your actions do not live up to your fine words!