Tuesday, 23 May 2017

SECRET ORDINATIONS WEEKS AWAY ???

Is it the case that TWO SECRET IRISH ORDINATIONS to the priesthood are planned in the next couple of weeks?

That is the ordination of of Deacon Michael Jack "Gorgeous" Byrne who is currently in Rome.

Self published photo of Gorgeous


And the ordination of Deacon Sean "King Puck" Jones who is presently living in the parochial house in Listowel in Co. Kerry.

Sean Jones on left
Yesterday a current Maynooth seminarian told us that the Maynooth Class of 2017 photograph was hung up on the wall in Maynooth.

The seminarian said that Gorgeous was in the picture and he never mentioned Jones. But I would imagine that if Gorgeous is on it so is Jones?

The seminarian further told us that the other ordinands in the class did not want Gorgeous' picture included in the class piece but they were over ruled by the seminary authorities?

One of the strange thigs about their inclusion is that neither Gorgeous or Jones are students of Maynooth.

Last summer Diarmuid Martin removed Gorgeous from Maynooth and made him a student of the Irish College in Rome?

Surely then his picture should be on the Irish College class of 2017 and not on Maynooth's?

Or maybe they will put him on both?

Jones also left Maynooth a year ago and was sent to live as a deacon in the parish of Listowel in Co. Kerry.


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Normally seminarians are told months in advance that they will be ordained on a certain date, at a certain time, in a certain place and by a certain bishop.


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This gives the seminarians time to purchase vestments, purchase an ordination chalice, book a hotel or venue for their after ordination reception, inform their families etc.




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But in the case of Gorgeous and Jones all these normal, simple, practical and necessary little matters have been raised to the equivalent of STATE SECRETS!

We do not know if Diarmuid Martin has committed himself to ordaining Gorgeous.

We do not know if Ray Brown has committed himself to ordaining Jones.


Have the dates been set?

Have the venues being set?

Who will be the ordaining bishops?


The Sacrament of Holy Orders is a PUBLIC SACRAMENT that should be celebrated OPENLY in full view of the GATHERED CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY.

Surely we do not live in Russia or China where the state persecutes the church

Why do we have to have SECRET ORDINATIONS?





Is someone, somewhere afraid that someone in the congregation will stand up during the ordination ceremony and object to the ordination proceeding on some ground?

Is someone, somewhere afraid that the media will be present at the ordinations and that the MAYNOOTH GAY SUMMER of 2016 will be all over the papers again?

Is someone, somewhere afraid that there might be a group of protesters with banners outside the church where the ordinations are taking place?


Have Gorgeous and Jones been told when they will be ordained?

Or will Diarmuid Martin and Ray Brown pick them up in the middle of the night and drive them to a secret church location where the Rites of Ordination will be celebrated in candle light?

Maybe they will be ordained in the middle of the night in the Catacombs in Rome?

Or maybe they will be ordained in the cellars of a disused convent - like the convent the Tuam babies were buried in?

Could they even be ordained in the under ground septic tank at Knock Basilica in Mayo?


After their ordinations will they be known as "THE KNOCK TWO"?



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SHUSH !!!!!

CARELESS TALK COSTS VOCATIONS !!!!!

69 comments:

  1. What a load of rubbish. There will be ordinations to priesthood of four deacons in Dublin 's Pro-Cathedral on November 14th Feast of St Laurence O'Toole diocesan Patron. Anyone who needs to know has known for months! Their names are William O'Shaughnessy, Robert Smyth, Michael Jack Byrne and Another! You mustn't be on the guest list my Lord.

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    1. On second thoughts - an "o tool" feast day might be appropriate?

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    2. Buckley you will burn in Hell.

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    3. Yes. We will dance on your grave.

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    4. It's time your mouth was shut for good Buckley. Behold the days are coming..........

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    5. Hello anon commentators, those 'deacons' that suck, f..k and are f....d will burn in hell. As for Pat, at least he is honest in his dealings. I may not agree with you Pat, but I do doubt that you will burn in hell. I will keep you a seat beside me in purgatory though! Thats where I am going!

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  2. Quite frankly I no longer care if/where /when those unedifying specimens are ordained. It has all become rather tedious.

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    1. I wish had your indifference in relation to the current state of the Irish Church and seminaries.

      Unfortunately, my blood is boiling at the thoughts of those stupid, cowardly bishops who are allowing Maynooth to rain down destruction on the flowering faith of the many young and old good people of this country.

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  3. "The seminarian further told us that the other ordinands in the class did not want Gorgeous' picture included in the class piece "

    Well that's a bit of a consolation.

    So there are still a few good men there I take it?

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    1. Just stop calling him "Gorgeous". It's a lot of silly nonsense and frankly I see nothing gorgeous about him. (Of course, some people act like teenagers and are so easily impressed.)

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    2. It is false and fiction that the other Ordinands did not want Michael Byrne included in the class picture. This nonsense was peddled yesterday on here by a student pip squeak who has another agenda. So much misinformation and untruths on here regarding Michael Byrne, he has been badly affected by the witch hunt on this evil blog and the total obsession with him.

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    3. Nearly a year ago I offered to go to Dublin to meet Michael. He put the meeting off telling me he was going to Barcelona with his family!

      Diarmuid Martin and myself learned he was in Barcelona, not with family but with Father Y.

      Martin ordered them both back to Dublin.

      A female worker at AB house was dismissed for communicating with me.

      MB can publish a totally unedited defence on this Blog at any time.

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    4. Anonymous at 12:43
      How has Michael Jack Byrne been affected by the 'witchhunt' and 'evil blog'?

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  4. This whole affair reminds me of the US presidential contest last year. Trump and Clinton were two candidates for the most powerful position in the world who left much to be desired in terms of intellectual ability, character, integrity, honesty, vision, communication skills, emotional intelligence, etc. Yet the American people were forced to make a choice between two individuals who were surely the worst ever to run for the White House (apart from Bush Jnr maybe).

    In Ireland we are in a similar unenviable position with regard to the current crop of candidates for the Priesthood. The self-published pictures, comments and scandalous behaviour of these so-called “men” is beyond belief, is absolutely incomprehensible. One can easily infer and glean from comments made by seminarians here that the characters who are regularly mentioned and seen in all their “glory” definitely suffer from a virulent form of narcissism, detachedness from reality and arrogance of the highest order – if they for one minute think that God is calling them to the Priesthood.

    Any intelligent person will also know that the apparent “hierarchy” which facilitates and officiates over the Maynooth insanity do not know the meaning of the words form, oversee, discipline or responsibility themselves - and I suspect that they subconsciously want to completely destroy the Irish Catholic Church from within. Otherwise their actions and decisions are inexplicable.

    Ultimately, however, as in any organized system, the final responsibility rests with those in the highest positions of command. After all the revelations of the past year via self-disclosed photographs, good priests and seminarians leaving Maynooth in hurried circumstances, seminarians being asked to leave for speaking out, malicious and horrible rumours being circulated by said people by the “good” and “true” remaining seminarians, one has to seriously wonder do the bishops – also - actually want to completely destroy, eviscerate and emasculate the Church in Ireland?

    My conclusions to the last question are in the affirmative.

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    1. @ poster 7.44

      I totally agree with you.

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  5. I'm not debating your point in any way, but surely these huge, public, celebratory ordinations are a fairly recent thing? I have read that it was the case, even up into the twentieth century, for ordinations often to be private, say, done by the bishop in his own chapel.
    My own reading of the change is that the clergy have only increased in power and prominence in that time?

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    1. From 1940 to 1970 John Charles Mc Quaid ordained the Maynooth people in Maynooth.

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  6. Whoever wrote the above comments does not belong to our Christian community..
    Let's hope no seminarian, hoping to be a servant of Christ, wrote them

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  7. Ordinations are meant to be celebrations of the parish where the ordained lived and went to church. Secret venues etc smacks back to the wheeling and dealing of the middle ages. All being said I wish all priests new and old all the best. The road ahead is not an easy one. God Bless.

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    1. People are ordained for a diocese, not a parish.

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  9. 8.55 & 8.56 I was sure those comments had "bishops" names as their authors Now they show anonymous. I have deleted comment of 9.00
    9.01 You are absolutely right Priests are ordained for a Diocese. Back in the day a Parish was proud to host Ordination ceremony for a priest who was "one of their own" Sad if all that is gone nowadays

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  10. Pat, you have access to information, evidence and knowledge. Can you not make a case canonically to the nuncio and respective bishops and prevent their ordinations going ahead? Yes I accept that you may not have much time for canon law, but in this instance apply due process and diligence according to the Roman set-up and stop these pricks from beimg ordained. Do it for Christ.

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    1. If you think this new Nuncio is going to listen to openly gay Pat Buckley your a bigger eejit than I thought lol. You just don't get it, the new Nuncio wouldn't even want Buckley in his presence, much less listen to his yapping.

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    2. To poster @ 12.49
      The correct version is ".. you're a bigger.." This is because "you're" in this case is a shortened form of "you are".

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    3. I only do it to annoy and irritate you 13.21 to highlight what a pathetic and sad little person your. Glad to see its havin the desired affect. Ha ha.

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    4. @ 13:21, I see that you continue to struggle with the art of the full stop and how to use quotation marks in a sentence correctly. Additionally, you're (*only joking:-)) second sentence (or what I assume to be your second sentence - it is not clear since there is no full stop) could benefit from employing the humble comma to good effect.

      Keep up the good work @13:57!

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    5. @12.49, irrespective of who raises the objection, canon law must be enforced. You know the whole 'after enquiring amongst the People of God' etc etc. I may be an eejit, but I know my canon law you pleb ;)

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    6. @14:38, as someone who is excommunicate and anathema to the community of the faithful, what standing would Pat have to bring any canon law action?

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  11. If what is alleged about Gorgeous and King Puck is true, then Rome needs to intervene and prevent them being ordained priests. The process for their dismissal from the order of deacon should be fast-tracked.

    If it is true - and - as some suspect - Gorgeous and Puck "have the dirt" on prominent churchmen and are using this knowledge as some kind of hold (blackmail) in order to get ordained, then it is time to force their hands and let the cards fall where they will.

    To knowingly and wilfully ordain a sexually promiscuous man to the Catholic priesthood is an act of extreme violence against the Church.

    If what is claimed about these men is true, then we are not even dealing with poor sinners struggling with their human weakness, falling into sin and striving to rise up with God's help and mercy.

    We are dealing instead with crass, cynical, manipulative, cunning, predatory individuals who are sniggering up their sleeves, treating all that is most sacred with the utmost contempt. They have to be stopped.

    Those who are cosseting, enabling, fostering and protecting them must also be stopped and exposed.

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  12. Thank you poster @12.24
    It's about time someone said this. We couldn't hear it often enough!

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    1. I have sent my information to several Vatican departments without either acknowledgement or reply.

      What people need to realise is that it is worse there than here !

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  13. Nearly a year ago I offered to go to Dublin to meet Michael. He put the meeting off telling me he was going to Barcelona with his family!

    Diarmuid Martin and myself learned he was in Barcelona, not with family but with Father Y.

    Martin ordered them both back to Dublin.

    A female worker at AB house was dismissed for communicating with me.

    MB can publish a totally unedited defence on this Blog at any time.

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    1. Untrue. The only reason you knew he was on holiday was becuase he was stupid enough to trust you. He gave you that information and then you proceeded to try and blackmail him 'tell me who you are in barcelona with, no answer is a yes answer' etc. The AB was fully aware he was on holiday. He was with his family and the unamed priest. He was not ordered home.

      Why would MB engage with you after everything you done to him on this blog?

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    2. Why would MB speak to you or give this vile blog any unedited defence of something he is not guilty for. Why would he contact you after the shit way you have treated him, your continual hounding of him? Why is there this obsession of him by you Buckley? It's none of your concern or business where he chooses to go on holiday and who with! You have no credible proof of anything and that's the point and that's why many are not taking you seriously. The Bray incident even turned out to be fanciful and false. No proof, she shut your noise Buckley and move on to someone else you feel like persecuting. What is being written on this blog is plain wrong, offensive and deeply hurtful not to mention unchristian. Shame on you.

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    3. So HE WAS in Barcelona with a priest.

      That was denied before.

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    4. Anonymous at 16:13
      Is he sexually active when he is pretending not to the laity not to be. that is the issue.

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    5. ZeroTime - no one knows the answer to that stupid question but the man himself. It seems many people on this blog want or think him to be. Why?
      All because of a couple of public Facebook pictures and a few disgruntled seminarians who clearly have an issue with him being an openly gay man training to be a priest.

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    6. Anonymous at 17:17
      What a stupid reply.
      A sexual partner would know, wouldn't they? And you must think us very naive to think that an "openly gay man" as you yourself describe him, means anything other than 'has sexual partners.'
      Cop on to yourself.

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    7. How easily the seminarians lie.
      Its amazing.
      Do they go to confession, then?
      They are so comfortable with their hypocrisy and lying.
      They truly don't know that its wrong.
      Amazing.

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    8. ZeroTime - you have just proven my point by your response. Just because someone is an openly gay man does not mean they have sexual partners!!! You are a perfect example of someone who is small-minded...cop yourself on!

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  14. Buckley are you afraid to name Father Y ? If not then why say "Father Y"

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    1. I am afraid of no one but God!

      As for Father Y - "I have written what I have written".

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  15. I think it's all rather exciting to be honest. Imagine we had another dreary ordination season instead of all this excitement! 'Twould be a dull summer! I must commend the two lads on their utter indifference to the invective against them over the past year - they certainly seem to be made of sterner stuff than some of the snowflake commentators on this blog!

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    1. Anonymous at 14:24
      They're brazen in their hypocrisy, I'll give you that. But how is it a good thing?

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    2. Not saying that it is ZeroTime. But I am equally unimpressed by the extremism of some of the faux outrage expressed here. Let's be honest - it is a fantastic opportunity for some to attack an institution they hate. The pearl-clutching and extremity of the outrage don't quite ring true - most seem to be enjoying the spectacle. Pat does not believe in clerical celibacy nor, from what we can see of the new ICC, does he believe that sexual expression should be limited provided it does not use or abuse. Therefore it is difficult to take the outrage seriously. It is very obviously a golden opportunity to give the Church a kicking - perhaps rightly. But the motivation isn't what it purports to be, and expressing outrage and indignation over behaviour that one does not consider wrong is simply hypocrisy. Claiming that they are violating the Church's own rules doesn't cut the mustard - of course they are and they shouldn't be. But let's not delude ourselves that this whole charade is anything other than a circus of self-publicity.

      One could also point out the patently false rape allegations, obviously false info on the sexual preferences of an Armagh priest etc etc etc but it would take too long. We see again today that info posted on the blog is taken at face value without verification - the stuff about MB being on a board in Maynooth. Maybe true, maybe not, but point is no verification is done.

      So yeh, ZeroTime, I'll grant that they might be brazen in hypocrisy. But feigning outrage over something you don't believe to be objectively morally wrong is also hypocrisy. One might well say the adversaries are well matched.

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    3. 1. The outrage is real.
      2. I give up.

      Zerotime

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    4. I do not hate the Roman Catholic Church.

      I hate the corruption that is in it and that has overtaken it.

      I believe in VOLUNTARY clerical celibacy - not enforced.

      I believe that sexual morality is a PART of ALL MORALITY but not the the B ALL AND END ALL of it.

      I believe that the Christian Ideal is sex within a loving and committed relationship.

      I believe that other sexual expressions fall short of this ideal but are not always and necessarily sinful.

      I think to uphold chastity and celibacy by your vocational choice while at the same time be deliberately sexually promiscuous is the sin of hypocrisy and BEARING FALSE WITNESS etc.

      I think to preach one thing and hold ordinary Catholics to it and do what you want yourself is blatant Pharisee-ism.

      I believe to be a Church that says that homosexuality is a serious disorder but have your church run by promiscuous homosexuals is a sinful contradiction.

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    5. I agree with much of what you say as it happens. But as a Christian leader you do have a very specific responsibility and I think you have failed. Not in reporting some of the more outrageous details - no. That was fair.

      Where it all fell apart was allowing peripheral individuals to be named and shamed on your blog with scant evidence and with no regard for their life after seminary or any chance to redeem themselves for a mistake. It fell apart when you allow unverified allegations to be published - the Armagh priest issue being a particularly unsavoury example. For seemingly having no comprehension that a person might have fallen into sin whilst a seminarian but can recover from it - granted, that didn't apply to all but it did to some. For repeatedly targeting an individual who does not appear to have been sexually active in seminary but who is perceived to be feminine in manner. Those are just examples.

      So while I agree with some of your premises and I agree that some of the more egregious cases are a scandal - especially when someone is ordained deacon - it is nevertheless the case that the indiscriminate and unreflective nature of the campaign has fundamentally damaged its credibility. I do not understand why day after day we have complaints that the bishops and Rome do not take this seriously - if it had been handled better and more smartly, they might have.

      What will happen now is that I will get accused of being one of the seminarians, or that I am part of the cover-up, or that I am supporting sin in the seminary. It is as regular as clockwork that there will be those shrill screams at any comment that tries to look at the situation somewhat dispassionately and who also believes that not only Roman Catholic bishops must be held to account for their actions, but all Catholics bishops as well.

      In short, if you were genuinely interested in reform, things would have been handled very differently. As it is, the hysteria of the past year has simply led people to shrug off the blog. Sad but true as far as I can see.

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    6. I sense your integrity and sincerity.

      But I'm afraid you do not have all the facts.

      Do you know for instance about what all priests get up to in Fatima, Lourdes and World Youth Day?

      Have you spoken to parents whose sons had priests "come on" to them at church events and venues who bishops will not even answer those parent's letters or meet them?

      Teenage boys given priest's mobile numbers and asked not to tell parents? Grooming?

      Of course we all fall into sin - especially me.

      But there is a difference between falling into sin and being a premeditated priest or seminarian following an underworld lifestyle and planning the seduction of others into the future?

      I am interested in reform.

      But do you indict the Devil and hold the court in Hell.

      I have watched all this for 48 years since I entered seminary in 1970.

      I have further watched all this for 41 years since my own ordination in 1970.

      I have been to there and back.

      I have completed 48 years "research" and know the cowboys from the Indians.

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    7. Pat I think the other thing which needs to be repeated ad nauseum, just because people don't realise what the hierarchy is like until they've dealt with them is THE PROPER CHANNELS DON'T WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE.
      The reporters who broke the abuse story in Boston commented that it was exactly like dealing with mafia bosses - nothing meant what it seemed to.
      Pat you're doing the right thing.
      A) it has drawn people out of the woodwork and made them show their behaviour in the comments
      B) sooner or later one of these priests will hit the press (again). Pat is right that this is a long-term plan because once one priest falls, the whole edifice collapses and *nobody* named on here will be left with a shred of dignity.

      In the meantime this blog provides information for young men going to seminary. What appears on here is the standard clerical gossip about any seminary or order. The difference is people can now get the kniwledge of what a place is like before they go there.

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  16. I'm still interested in why Fr X is still a serving PP ? ?

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  17. Perhaps he's not a PP? Do we have any information to the contrary?

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    1. His clerical title is not PP

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    2. Is it true Fr X has left the Priesthood and ministry? If that is true then good riddance to very bad promiscuous rubbish.

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  18. john0777124 May 2017 at 18:08

    .14.24 you are clearly one of the boys....a sad xxxx

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    1. Pat, there's no way "Rome" is going to engage with you - that's just the way it is.

      However, given the fact that Cardinal Parolin (it is claimed) has met the new Nuncio to brief him on the "Irish problem", then perhaps they are listening at some level.

      This business of Maynooth has been reported in the international press. So it's not just your blog though you have certainly led the charge.

      What happened to the threats of legal action last year? Also, √Čamon Martin calling in the police?

      I take it these have not been followed up so obviously were attempts to unsuccessfully threaten/warn you off.

      Why has Gorgeous and Puck not sued for defamation of character? Is it because they haven't a leg to stand on and wouldn't bear scrutiny?

      The entire carry on is astonishing. If these men are ordained their two bishops should be taken into a secure unit.

      One thing is clear - Pope Benedict's Apostolic Visitation of the Irish Church was a sham, a charade.

      How was it possible for a Dean about whom there were reservations expressed in the Irish College, Rome, (his techniques) was able to simply walk into the same job in Maynooth?

      Maynooth is a disaster. It is a blight upon the Irish Church.

      I believe Sean Brady also has questions to answer as to the promotion of a Maynooth dean - his interest in erections and nocturnal emissions etc - all reported to the Gardai.

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    2. @18:10, I'm not sure you're the type who'd see anything clearly but rather through a glass, darkly....but anyhow, I'm sorry to have reduced you to incoherent snowflakey rage!

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  19. There has been no follow up to the threats of legal action.

    I would have loved this whole thing to be debated in a PUBLIC, OPEN, CIVIL court.

    Eamon Martin sent the PSNI to me on January 17th last.

    I was told I would hear the outcome in two weeks.

    That is now 16 weeks ago now.

    I cannot get a response from the PSNI officers involved?


    ONCE AGAIN:

    I HEREBY OFFER MICHAEL BYRNE AND SEAN JONES TO PUBLISH THEIR

    VERSION OF EVENTS - UNEDITED - ON THIS BLOG.

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  20. God be with the days when Ireland turned out priests like Msgr Hugh O'Flaherty aka "The Scarlet Pimpernel of the Vatican" who was also a good boxer. Some of those Maynooth girlies should be made do some boxing instead of dressing up like little sailor boys. For f**k sake, what has the priesthood been reduced to in the former land of saints and scholars???

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    1. 20:44
      MB was a boxer who fought in the All-Ireland Boxing Championships. Would call him a girl to his face? I don't think so. Keep hiding behind the annoymus blog like all the other little venom filled jealous bitches.

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  21. "The Knock Two".

    'The knocking-shop two' sounds more appropriate.

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  22. What's the difference between these two lads and the rest of the priests who love the crack?

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    1. The two lads are named, the rest of the priests are Fr [insert letter of the alphabet]. That seems to be the height of it.

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    2. No difference, they all have the gift of tongues.

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  23. Fret not! The religion of peace is at hand.

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    1. Oh, how I am so sick of that silly sailor outfit in the smarmy photo!

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