Thursday, 29 June 2017

BIG CLOUD HANGING OVER DIARMUID MARTIN

A COUPLE OF GUYS IN BRAY SACRISTY

WHILE THE DEPARTURE OF GORGEOUS IS BEING BOTH CONFIRMED AND DENIED BY VARIOUS SOURCES AND PEOPLE - THERE IS ONE THING FOR CERTAIN - THE WHOLE AFFAIR LEAVES DIARMUID MARTIN UNDER A HUGE CLOUD!


This could would be more apparent if it was being highlighted in the media. However DM is a great media favourite and to date they have been adopting a "hands off" policy.

However a Dublin priest got in touch with me today to tell me that AN INTERNAL CHURCH INVESTIGATION has been launched into the Gorgeous / Diarmuid matter.

The priest could not tell me who was being investigated - Gorgeous or Diarmuid or both of them.

He also claimed that after the alleged rape incident in Bray  Diarmuid had discussions with someone in the GARDAI.




After this it was decided that this matter should also be part of the internal church investigation.

The Dublin PP who gave me this information tells me he only knows about this because a friend and fellow PP of his has been asked to sit on the investigation panel.

According to this PP Gorgeous formally submitted his request to leave to DM in recent days.

The internal investigation has also spoken to two other seminarians about this matter and their evidence is vital in the proceedings.

DUBLIN PRIESTS:

There is a growing anger and dissatisfaction among Dublin priests with regard to DM.

Apart from the Gorgeous affair priests are angered about:

1. DM's perceived favouritism towards priests of the homosexual persuasion.

2. DM's remoteness from most of his priests.

3. DM's time spent away from Dublin on travels.

4. DM's failure to publish a full list of diocesan changes over the last couple of years.

5. DM's poor relationship with his auxiliary bishops - Walsh and Field.


THE GORGEOUS BOMB:




Priests are also concerned that there is a "GORGEOUS BOMB" waiting to explode.

If he stays the bomb will explode one way.

If he leaves the bomb will explode another way.


Has he - or will he be offered a "SEVERANCE PACKAGE" that will keep him from telling all he knows?

Will such a severance package work - and for how long?

After the bomb explodes what will the fallout be?

Will the fallout come during DM's time or will it all fall on his successors head?

Dublin priests are also talking a lot about DM's successor. Will it be:

- Brendan Leahy - the Bishop of Limerick?

- Paul Tighe - a bishop in Rome (one of DM's favourites)?

- Denis Nulty - the Bishop of Kildare and Leighlin?

- Monsignor Kevin Gillespie of the Congregation of the Clergy in Rome?

- A mysterious and complete outsider proposed by the new Nigerian Nuncio Archbishop Okolo?


In any event there is one thing for certain. Just now the DUBLIN PRESBYTERATE is feeling very vulnerable, insecure and under valued.

Not a great legacy for media darling Diarmuid Martin :-(








69 comments:

  1. Roman Catholic churchmen? Useless ******, the lot of 'em.

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  2. Pat,
    Your info cannot emanate from one Anonymous Dublin PP, you are too well informed.
    90% of what you state about DM is accurate.

    He is despised by the majority of the Dublin clergy. He does show complete disdain for them. He treats them like shite in the matter of appointments. He uses the Council of Priests in a cynical way to rubber stamp what he wants.
    He is more absent than present in Dublin.

    His likely successors that you quote are frightening. Leahy, so wrapped up in the Focolare sect as to be suspect.
    Tighe, a great talker of the talk but nothing beyond that.
    Nulty, a dacent prror cratur best left in the wilderness of Kildare and Leighlin.

    We can only pin our hopes on the new Nuncio's choice. Let's hope that being Nigerian it wont be awarded to the highest bidder.
    Keep up the good work Bucko, you're the only forum for an oppressed clergy.

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    1. Looking at recent appointments - Archbishop Kieran O'Reilly in Cashel is who I have the money on, He has plenty friends in Rome willing to stand for him.

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    2. Archbishop Kieran O'Reilly in Cashel is who I have the money on. Plenty friends in Rome and already on a wel accelerated career path as it is. Probably as unpopular as DM, but a more acceptable face for the powers that be.

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  3. Good riddance. However, isn't it strange that he officiated at the diaconate ordinations recently in Rome? Surely someone who had intended resigning would not participate so publicly? Perhaps it was a recent decision.

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  4. Dear Pat,

    A couple of things could be happening:

    The worst fears in all of this are about to be confirmed and (a) very significant purple hatted head(s) is/are about to roll;

    Or someone is messing you about. And this is all manufactured "fake news". Are you sure of your PP source in Dublin?

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  5. I have no doubt in my mind that Brendan Leahy will be the next AB of Dublin.

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  6. If they replace Dermo with Paul Tighe or Gillespie who have not been in the Dublin picture. A massive mistake. Leahy the obvious choice. Although I heard martin Cosgrove from Arklow if they want one of their own.

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  7. If gorgeous approached you asking for ordination, would you ordain him?

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    1. My present answer is no.

      However, if he changed in a number of ways, and those changes were lasting, I would explore his vocation with him.

      God can call anyone to serve him. But there must must be honesty, integrity, boundaries and an integrity of life.

      I don't view Gorgeous as a BAD man.

      I see him as a man who has issues to address.

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    2. If Pat said yes to such an ordination as Georgeous then Pat would have - at one swipe - completely swept aside and thrown into the trash can everything that he, Pat has fought for and supported for years on this blog. All the objections and principles etc would count for nothing! Either Pat sincerely believes that the promiscuity and utter flouting of morality in Georgeous' behaviour was wrong or he doesn't. What do you think @poster 7.51?
      It was you who asked the question

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    3. Perhaps MB could continue his aspirations with the Transalpine Redemptorists based on Papa Stronsay in the Orkney Islands. They’re all nine-bob notes and wear high collars like Karl Lagerfeld.

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  8. Dear Pat as you well know there are many ticking time bombs in the Irish RC church. This is but one instance. Never before have I seen a seminary student pandered to it so shielded by a bishop. The bishop is either very 'fond' of him or afraid if him.

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  9. Clogher diocese will get one of its own as bishop......that's if the 'powers that be' have their way. They have their eye on one candidate and dare anyone else get the job!!! Let's hope the new nuncio can see through them.

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    1. Are we talking about the PP of Enniskillen?

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    2. Arlene's on fire30 June 2017 at 14:41

      The PP of Enniskillen (Canon Peter O'Reilly) is a shrewd operator in a diocese full of shrews operators (Joe Duffy, La Flynn & Joseph McGuinness for example). I worked with Peter O'Reilly on Lough Derg. He was then and now inscrutable.

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    3. Treanor could put in for it. He hates D&C and they kind of like him in his home at Clogher bizarrely enough.

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  10. ‘DM’s perceived favouritism towards priests of the homosexual persuasion.’

    Oh, come off it, he’d have a hard job finding anyone of a different persuasion among the priests.

    LOL.

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    1. That's a silly comment.

      I know many heterosexual priests - celibate and not celibate.

      But I do agree that the priesthood is becoming a gay profession.

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    2. As rare as hen's teeth. LOL.

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  11. As Sherlock Holmes might say it seems the games afoot. As you rightly say MB is not a bad person but there does appear to be "issues" The challenge here is to treat all with dignity while dealing objectively with the issues at hand

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  12. All you priests on here speculating about who is going to get a red cap make me sick
    From an ordinary Catholic sometime mass goer.
    What exactly does a bishop do......NOTHING

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    1. Yep! Utterly f****n' useless, indolent spongers who have the brass neck to tell others how to live their lives.

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    2. 10.40 Of course a Bishop works He sits on his throne throwin his weight around (Courtesy of Brendan Grace, comedian)

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    3. Maggie, change the f****n record would ye? And try and get out a wee bit more.

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    4. Magna Carta was is it I wonder that has turned you into such a deeply embittered soul?

      In my experience, Magna Carta, priests are much like the rest of us - plodding along and doing the best they can.

      You have some who are pretty much useless and others who are exceptionally good.

      Then you have those in the middle - like the rest of the human race - who are fair to middling - average.

      Try and address your issues, Magna Carta, that are causing you such deep unhappiness. Help is available. God bless you.

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    5. 13:53, Never. Never! NEVER!

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    6. 16:07, you seem a kind soul, so I shall respond to you gently. When useless, episcopal ****** are spending up to 4 million quid renovating their palatial homes, then I have every right to throw the odd swear word around.

      You think I need help? I don't need help, but I do want justice. I want the clergy, for once in their f****n' useless, parasitical, sponging lives, actually to obey Christ's command and become SERVANTS. Episcopal pricks who spend up to 4 million quid renovating their palatial homes are not behaving as servants.

      And why are they, as single men, living in such large homes? They just don't get Christ's point, do they? Nor do they want to. And so they live self-important and self-indulgent lives. How the f**k can these ****** guide anyone to God? They don't know him.

      Why aren't you angry at this? Don't you care that this evil exists in the Body of Christ and that these pharisaical ****** are the means by which it enters the body and begins to destroy it. Are you, perhaps, one of these ******?

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    7. I would still be very interested to read Magna Carta's journey to seminary and away again.

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    8. You do NOT have "every right" Sir. You convey yourself as a total jerk - an irrational bigot - tarring every priest and bishop with the same brush.

      Most of the priests and the few bishops I have known truly are servants. They are kind and decent men.

      They don't know God? Really? Do YOU know him?

      I urge you, for what it is worth, to attend to whatever issues have led you into becoming such a deeply unhappy and damaged person.

      And to employ your time more productively than expending your energy as an internet spook/troll spewing vitriol, at everyone and everything, that crosses your cyber path.

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    9. You really need some serious education, psychiatric care

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    10. Don't waste your time with that vicious old queen Maggie Carter. You will get nowhere. Mad as a box of rocks, is she. When I see her name on any post on this blog I move swiftly on :-)

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    11. A regular reader of this blog who is interested in your backstory and how you would tell it in public, given the chance.

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    13. 22:03, have you been 'bunking off' remedial reading class? You have, haven't you?

      Read my comment again, you ass. I was alluding to a certain Irish bishop who allegedly spent up to 4 million pounds, raised by ordinary Catholic parishioners, to renovate and refurbish his already palatial home. Not one of these Catholics could, I'm certain, spend that amount of money rennovating and refurbishing HIS home. So when a Roman Catholic bishop (allegedly, a disciple of that poor Nazarene, Jesus the Christ) spends such a vast sum on his home, then I do have every right to drop the odd swear word in protest at his unChrist-like extravagance. So, too, has every Cathoilc whose money he spent, but whose consent he did not seek.

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    14. 22:14, 'a journalist', in other words.

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    15. I need some serious education and psychiatric care? So you're a teacher AND a psychiatrist? Nah! You're just an ass.

      Goodbye, ass.

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    16. 22:12, you move swiftly on? Really? Is this why you didn't move on here? To post a counter-comment?

      You are a silly bugger, aren't you?

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  13. At poster 10.40
    As another lay person (who by grace of God is a regular Mass attender),I must say I agree with you that this relentless obsession about who will be the bishop here and who will be bishop there is becoming very tedious indeed. Then in the next breath! - bishops are useless and serve no purpose! Absolutely no energy or focus on any other inspirational spirituality is apparently of any importance to them. Indeed the most balanced and uplifting posts often come from lay persons who don't share this obsession with who gets a "red cap" or who is secretly plotting a takeover. Life's too short, guys so give it a rest..

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  14. @ 11.26 I have been behind the scenes in the church. As a lay person it really shocked me. The priests have absolutely no human rights, the bishops have absolute power. It is a great worry to the priests who the next bishop will be. If the bishop takes a dislike to them, he can and often does make their life a complete misery. I have a very strong faith and knows there are seams of pure gold in the church, but I cannot approve of the way it is run. Priests deserve far better than they get. At work I had freedom of speech, a job description, access to a union, sick pay, a right to retire with a pension from 55 onwards, a right to a family. They have the rights of a peasant in the middle ages. I know that our priest stays because he loves the parishioners to bits.

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    1. What planet are you living on Jane! From many of the things I have seen on Pat's blog and from my vantage point, priests have as many and more rights and privileges than many of their parishioners (particularly in disadvantaged areas) Some of us don't regular income, a warm home with free time to watch TV, pray and read etc and no mouths to feed. They chose their lifestyle. As far as I am hearing, some of them are pretty free and easy with going out there to indulge in whatever 'rights' they fancy. If bishops who maintain discipline are so abhorrent to them, why are they jostling to grab the bouquet of the next episcopal vacancy? I'm afraid, Jane, the real world is not so divided into goodies and baddies as you think! (People get older, inescapable fact. They don't always get wiser...)

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    2. 12.05 I tend to agree with Jane. My experience was that I was the property of the bishop. My one fear was that I'd end up somewhere I did not know and I feared potentially living in a big house alone and in the middle of nowhere

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    3. Many unmarried lay older people end up living alone for years - -

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    4. Lay people get to choose where they live, priests do not. A priest can end up in locations they don't like and would never live in if given a choice.

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    5. Lay people get to choose? Yes, sure if you have plenty of money shop around - Go on "Escape to the Country" - - pick whatever salubrious district appeals to you!
      Meanwhile, in the real world...

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    6. At their ordination priests vow to obey the bishop - they can only expect to be moved around as he pleases. If they can't live with that bit they shouldn't sign up.
      In my own lay life I'm bound by the obligations of my employment contract and lease on my flat. I understood these contracts before signing them.
      Priests have signed away their freedom of choice, as it were. And yes, many lay people's are heavily constrained by family, money, and other considerations.

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  15. Absolutely agree! 10.40 -Tabloid stuff at its worst. Time to recognise that the way forward is with Charity in a Spirit of Unity in Diversity. Say your prayers folks and remember the bigger picture.

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  16. To poster 11.26
    Thanks for your post this morning. It seems to have been helpful --even if only temporarily!
    But so welcome all the same.

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  17. It is indeed a source of amazement and puzzlement that Archbishop Diarmuid Questionmark is completely spellbound by this deacon! (In the photo taken in Bray sacristy doesn't Archbishop Questionmark look a little dazed?)

    Diarmuid Questionmark is not noted for human warmth or being particularly personable. One would think that anyone else, who has caused as much trouble as Deacon Byrne, would be out the door so fast he wouldn't have time to get his coat.

    But for some reason ??Diarmuid?? Is absolutely mesmerised by Micky Jack - in thraldom to him. What on earth could be the reason???

    Such is the spell cast over ??DM?? by Gorgeous that one wonders is Abp ?? still in full possession of his facilities?

    Has MJB perhaps waved something in front of ??D??'s eyes, inducing in him a deep trancelike state??

    The whole affair defies logic. It appears the spell woven by Gorgeous Byrne cannot be unspun.

    Will it prove ??D??'s undoing?

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  18. 15:38 I see your fond of question marks

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    1. "You're fond..." is the correct form.

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    2. @16.35
      You forget texting is a new form of writing which is not subject to the full application of rules of grammar and syntax. It's similar to the form of early MSS where there are no capital letters and no spaces between words because space was at a premium.

      So it's rather a waste of time to point out discrepancies between both forms.

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    3. @21.57
      Hey dude - medieval mick--are you the full shillin? Thought not.

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    4. Yes, I agree the ubiquitous 'textspeak' has become the norm for some folks but, for the most part, thankfully not with the majority of the posters on here. Rather the opposite I would say - - some of the regulars on here can say a great deal in two or three succinct and well-constructed grammatical sentences. It's actually just as easy to be correct and one's message is much easier to quickly read and understand. (We do our best to assist if necessary)

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  19. why is that mans thumb pixelated? ;)

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    1. (Sadie on the sofa) That can happen your thumb if you sew too much without your thimble.

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  20. Because pat doesn't like pictures of black holes

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    1. Pat possesses the non pixalated version and has supplied it to Diarmuid Martin.

      The orifice in question is caucasion.

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    2. I hope DM has only seen it in the picture!

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    3. This what gets me, they'll probably use condoms for protection from STDs, yet they'll be telling other people they cannot use them. Sickening really.

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    4. To be honest 90+ RCs (lay people and clergy) have voted with their feet on the contraception and condom issue.

      You will rarely hear a cleric mention them.

      So there's no point in constructing straw men.

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    5. Sickening? What did you expect from Christ-betrayin' ******? Moral integrity?

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    6. Nothing better to do???

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  21. Sean, you seemed to have a fear of living alone when in Ireland.
    Married or not, partner or not we are all alone in many ways.
    I have family, lots of g- kids, live alone..many many widows do.
    Im loving life for as long as I'm allowed..
    I can't for the life of me understand why you feared being sent to remote parishes
    There are no such places in Ireland ...it was all in your head, but I'm happy for you...you were just not meant to live celibate...compulsory celibacy is totally wrong.

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  22. promiscuity is so wrong...nothing to do with religion.
    Condoms should only be used to prevent conception...not for sleeping around.

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  23. Father Brough of Arklow has the cheek to have a silver jubilee celebration in Arklow this Saturday night, this despite his ejection from Rathmines for strange carry-on less that 2 years ago. Let us see who will be in attendance!

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  24. Kevin Gillespie has got an appointment in Raphoe Diocese at the cathedral. So he leaves Rome but Fr E McLaughlin is now going to Rome. One leaving the Cathedral for Rome and another coming to the Cathedral from Rome. Gillespie is embarrassingly camp.

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