Wednesday, 28 June 2017

MORE MAYNOOTH CONTROVERSY




THE BLOG HAS RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION ABOUT MAYNOOTH AND THE DIOCESE OF KERRY:


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BREAKING NEWS: MAYNOOTH EXPELS THREE KERRY SEMINARIANS

"Pat, Maynooth are still up to their old tricks of trying to destroy genuine holy men who do not fit the status quo.

Three Kerry Seminarians have been let go by Ray Browne after negative end of year reports by Paul Prior. This is Priors last stroke, it's like a sting from a dying wasp.

What is quite interesting is the fact that all three men are were genuinely holy, heterosexual and men of prayer. They were excellent prospect and highly respected. The problem is they were masculine and not running around in high heels and carrying ahandbag. Two of these men were in their 5th year and should be Deacons now. So why throw them out at the last hurdle and play games with them for all this time? Maynooth enjoy destroying good mens lives and the Irish Bishops couldn't care less. 

What Is Ray Brown up to? Three students gone but King Puck remains.

Where will this end"?

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RAY BROWN
This latest expulsion by Maynooth of THREE KERRY SEMINARIANS - agreed by the Roman bishop of Kerry Ray Brown is very strange.

By all accounts the three expelled seminarians are:

Spiritual.
Prayerful
Heterosexual.
Somewhat "conservative"

Our correspondent above says that these expulsions are Paul Prior's last Maynooth acts?

Apparently the three seminarians and their families and friends - as well as many people in Kerry are very upset and angry.

They are especially upset at the fact that these three have been expelled and that Deacon Sean Jones - KING PUCK - is still in place and still enjoying Ray Browne's protection.


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King Puck is living in the presbytery in Listowel parish. The parish priest and the parish secretary are very protective of him. 

I think that they have been told by Browne to protect the DIOCESAN PET!

Meanwhile THREE SEMINARIANS have been expelled and no reasons given !!!


IF THE THREE EXPELLED KERRY DEACONS WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT ME TO DISCUSS A WAY FORWARD FOR THEM I WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO HEAR FROM THEM

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KING PUCK AND THE PALLOTINES



Meanwhile it has been revealed that King Puck was asked to the leave the Irish Pallotine Order before he was accepted into Maynooth.

Why was he asked to leave the Pallotiness?

There is an interesting answer to that question.

91 comments:

  1. The reality is that perspective future priests who upload semi naked pictures on Gay dating websites are considered acceptable candidates but if you pray the rosary you are not???

    The whole thing is logically insane. The Bishops must be seriously compromised when they allow this to continue.

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    1. Then stop making donations to these ******.

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    2. I think you are right. Seriously compromised bishops is the only logical explanation - not necessarily their own bishops - but these men must have "dirt" on serving Irish bishops.

      And they are being protected and kept sweet for fear of "kiss and tell" scenarios. It will end disastrously of course.

      The sooner these corrupt and compromised bishops, along with their "brother" bishops who covering up for them, are exposed the better. Clear the decks of them.

      If Ray Brown and Diarmuid Martin think that by ordaining these problems they will contain and control them, then they are insane and unfit for office.

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    3. Ah, Maggie 'Bastardo' Carter has come out of hiding after the "incident" with Big Lily LOL!

      People, Margaret, will continue to contribute to the Church because - while some are corrupt - by no means all are (much as your fevered and bigoted imagination wants to believe otherwise).

      The Church and its charitable works remain a worthy cause and the good ministers of God, as the Lord said, deserve their wages.

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    4. Deserve their wages, 10:57? The conventional understanding of 'wage' is that it's due payment for work done. I have come across precious few priests who actually work (and, therefore, are not due a wage).

      In the case of indolent Roman Catholic priests (and there are far too many), you should have spoken of sponging off lay people rather than entitlement to a wage.

      Put a little intellectual effort into your comments in future, preferably before you post them.

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    5. And I Margaret have the opposite experience - most of them I have met are hard-working and decent.

      Oh yes, there have been some I would give their P45s to; but you will always get that in every walk of life. I'm sure there are lazy meter maids too.

      You really need to get out more into a bigger world - not the sad, bitter, angry, hate-filled little planet you inhabit and from where you regularly spew such vitriol at the rest of us.

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  2. Are you sure that he was with the Passionists? I heard him speak on radio last year about his time with the Palottines......just wondering.

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  3. That is a great pity. It seems very tough particularly for those who had completed five years of their studies.

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  4. Pat, Fanny, Cowboy Connolly and Prior are so angry that the whole controversy has damaged their deep ambitions of becoming bishops that they will create as much havoc as possible because they know Maynooth is finished so one by one the (seemingly dangerous) heterosexuals are kicked out resulting in the seminary flooded with homosexuals.

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  5. Hetro students have been asked to leave Maynooth for years, and for Kerry this is a real problem. They are particularly bad at leaving men there years and last minute evictions. I witnessed one cruel blow within days of a scheduled deaconate ordination... literally after guests had sat into their cars in Kerry.

    And he was a great man.

    CR.

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  6. King Puck was with the Pallottines not the Passionists.

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  7. Puck was not a passionist. He was a Pallotine.

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    1. In the old days if you were kicked out by one seminary you couldn't pitch up tent in another, mostly.

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  8. I am a former seminarian of Maynooth and have had experience of a similar "clean-out" in my class, which was orchestrated, overseen and ruthlessly carried out by Connolly, Mullaney and Prior working in concert.

    These guys want to destroy the Priesthood in Ireland if they cannot mould it in their own filthy image.

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  9. I remember Ray Browne as being a man of the law. Leaving these lads till the last minute is unjust. I'm not sure what went on here but at a guess I'd say for one the human element may have been missing. If there were "problems" why were they not named and identified before now.I hope they choose to speak to you Pat and can find justice.

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    1. "No reasons given" is how Pat puts it. How do we know that this is the case? Bishop Browne can't be that much of a fool to accept a recommendation from Maynooth without question. If he really thinks these guys are fit for ordination he can send them elsewhere to complete their formation.

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    2. "Bishop Browne can't be that much of a fool to accept a recommendation from Maynooth without question."

      I disagree - on the basis that Bishop Browne, along with most of the other bishops, gave his support to Maynooth last summer after all the controversy. He was essentially saying - despite everything - that he believes Maynooth to be a healthy place to form men for the priesthood. He believed all of Hughie Connolly's denials last summer - why wouldn't he believe what Prior, Collins and Fanny tell him this year?

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  10. Don’t get involved, Pat, they probably had issues; ‘conservative’ can often be a euphemism mental health disorders and, as we well know from this blog, ‘heterosexual’ is open to interpretation with religious he-virgins.

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    1. Crawl back under your rock! Stop defaming people whilst hiding behind anonymity.

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    2. No matter what issues were involved these three men deserved more swift decisions made about them and total openess about their dismissal.

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    3. Pat I know the three involved and I can tell you that, whatever their quirks, these three were good men, striving to become holy priests. Don't allow people to defame them.

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    4. "Openness about their dismissal"? C'mon Pat that's not how Gaynooth works! They prefer euphemisms like "take time-out", "take a pastoral year" etc.

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  11. This would seem to be a priority for the new Papal Nuncio. Has he arrived yet?
    Members of the hierarchy should take a serious interest in this matter!

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    1. Was there a sexual explanation behind the Pallotine event?

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  12. There are many English Dioceses that would snap these three men up. A one hour plane hop from Ireland. I'm sure you could guide them Pat.

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  13. Fantastic news. Couldn't happen to three more gutless loons.

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    1. Can you explain what seems to be an extreme reaction?

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  14. It could just be that these three men are not suitable for the life. It has always been the case that a vocation is a two-way process, that something more is required than that a person believes or feels they are called to minister in the church.

    That's why ordination doesn't happen the day a person enters a seminary.

    And it's probably not making their situation any easier by having the country and beyond discuss their situation.

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  15. Pat, what are the names of these three Kerry seminarians that have been told not to return? Cloyne Priest.

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  16. Please don't publish their names here, Pat.

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    1. There is always a conflict of interests in an issue like this... One person's idea of "openness" could be regarded as a "breach of expected privacy" by another. How do we know that the seminarians concerned didn't ask for their reasons and details to be kept private? For that matter, how can we be sure that the initiative to drop out and decline Ordination didn't originate from one or all of the men themselves? It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that the realisation that the final irrevocable step proved too much. We don't know for sure, unless they decide tell us.

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  17. As I understand it, with the dismissal of three Kerry seminarians that diocese now has only one seminarian left, apart from King Puck. If Puck is ordained his will be the first priestly ordination in the diocese in ten years. Only one Kerry priest is aged under 40, and there are five parishes without a resident priest. But Prior and Browne would rather that there be no priests rather than the wrong type. Yet Gorgeous, Puck, Barry Matthews sail on.

    Also, the church needs to consider whether seminary formation should last so long nowadays. It was fine in an era when men joined up at 18 and the seven years took them up to 25. But there are few school leaver seminarians now.

    The Protestant churches have shorter formation periods and in my experience their ministers are better preachers, just as pastoral and often more charming than our own clergy.

    And it's not as if the philosophy and theology is ever put to use by today's priests. The homilies are of the "Thought for the Day" type, with injunctions to be nice to one another, and usually devoid of any catechetical content. So instead of stringing men along for five years, when they could have been well established in an alternative career, just keep the minimum ordination age at 25, with three years of formation.

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    1. I often wonder what the difference is between preaching in C o E and R C. My sermons in RC went down well in the main judging from feedback in the day. Now I find I pay more attention to scripture than before. Sermons not just thought for the day. Our sermons in our particular church can be interactive. The congregation can join in and this is encouraged. I speak of one particular building. However the dearly beloved type traditional sermon is still common in many churches.

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    2. Interactive my arse. If I wanted to be entertained I'd go to a cinema or theatre not a C of E Church.

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    3. Sean, one of the things I admire about CoI, Presbyterian etc clergy is that if a member of the congregation stops coming to church the priest/minister will usually call out to the house to see if the person is unwell or is disaffected with the parish, losing faith or been upset.

      In churches where the liturgy is less important than preaching (eg Presbyterians, evangelical CofE) the ability to preach well is prized. Indeed, among the Presbyterians there is an X Factor type process in which the three candidates for a ministerial vacancy are voted upon by the congregation, based on their preaching, conduct of the service and general demeanour.

      I've seen the interactive sermons especially in informal Anglican settings.

      The downside of churches that don't have a lectionary is that favourite readings and themes can come up again and again.

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    4. 14.17 Go to a Cinema Enjoy the show. I ain't paying ��oops I said I wouldn't reply. Slap my hand.

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    5. Hi Brian Thank you for your comments.We have a relaxed liturgy with Communion twice a month. We stick to the lectionary which more or less mirrors the RC 3 year cycle. Go to a different CoE church and one might think one was in Rome. We also have a church that will not currently accept female vicars. We manage to co exist.

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    6. Yes, Sean, and I know that CoE people move seamlessly between cathedral Evensong, PCP Mattins, ASB Communion, English Missal Mass, evangelical Holy Trinity Brompton style, Alpha, church plants all the time feeling at home. In the RCC it's binary: full Traditional Latin Mass [Tridentine sic] or a 4 hymn lowish Novus Ordo. With some exceptions, such as Westminster Cathedral and the various Oratories.

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  18. I've just had a look at the news and events pages on the diocese of Kerry website. No ordination is scheduled. http://www.dioceseofkerry.ie/diocesan-events/

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  19. So +Pat what way forward could you offer these lads and others? At the minute they are probably feeling very broken and that takes a long time to revover from if ever.
    I do not see anyway forward, its almist lije a death sentence for tgese men.

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    1. They may well have already their future plans in place. I think it would be safe to assume that they should be the ones to decide.

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  20. No mention of Puck on the Listowel parish website, the parish where he served as a deacon. No mention of an ordination.

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  21. Declan Lohan, deacon of the diocese of Galway seems to have disappeared. No sign of an ordination this summer and no mention of him on the websites of the diocese or Salthill parish where he served as a deacon. What's happening, +Pat. Is Rome intervening at last?

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    1. Lohan is harmless

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    2. Shy, introverted and a bit odd (like most of us) but harmless.

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    3. You become shy and odd because you are watching over your shoulder with paranoia because if you are not homosexual then you have to fight for survival.

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    4. Is there something of a Paul Daniels syndrome emerging here? People disappearing without a trace. People need to be treated with dignity but also accountability. This does not mean that personal issues need to be all over the airwaves so to speak.

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    5. Declan Lohan will be ordained this summer.

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  22. Must have been a complete eejit whoever Ordained Barry Matthews. God help us.

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    1. It was Amy from Armagh who Ordained the biggest tout to the Seminary Council. Perhaps he was Amy's eyes and ears, he had certainly nothing else to write home about and certainly not his looks.

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  23. It's interesting that the one Kerry seminarian left was King Puck's right hand man in Maynooth. He was Puck's ear to the ground transferring all information back to Puck. He's also a lick and a tout to the Seminary council. Again someone who has little or no faith sail through

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  24. The Kerry students listed in the 2016/17 Kalendarium:

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    Jones, Sean: 2nd Year STL
    O'Connor, Humphrey: II Divinity
    Taddei, Stefano: II Divinity
    Sheils, Daniel: II H Dip in Philosophy
    Moriarty, Mark: I Arts

    http://maynoothcollege.ie/pontifical-university/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/01/Chapter-XII-Seminary1.pdf

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  25. No matter what happens from here on, Deacon Jones' reputation is in ruins. Hes either deceived the Bishop of Kerry and denied his sexual activity in Maynooth, or he's told the Bishop the full truth and he's being allowed to stay on. either way its a sorry mess.

    I do think people should leave him be as I've no doubt that hes suffered as a result of this. He and Byrne will forever be identified as the guys who brought Maynooth into public disrepute; Jones via the now the infamous jockstrap picture and Byrne via silverdaddies.

    I sigh.

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    1. Let us not forget Conan finding Marshall and Sheehan in bed together on a cold winter's Eve. Conan is still suffering because of their scandalous behaviour.

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    2. that was a misunderstanding

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    3. "Misunderstanding" LOL.

      Marshall's fat queeny full moon on show

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  26. I'd like to see what Joe has to say about all this

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  27. The Bishop can still send them elsewhere if Maynooth won’t take them. I’m sure the Bishop has a personal rapport with the lads and would know himself if they were suitable and if they weren’t why let them stay so long? Also, Maynooth’s issues wouldn’t have come out of the blue – they submit reports twice a year so someone’s influence was keeping them there. Also, would the Bishop be ready to flush the financial investment down the toilet – for three seminarians that’s big money.

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  28. Expelled, let go, dismissed, they must have been drummed out for some good reason after 5 years training. Are we dealing with the possible appearance of scandal or something more? I wonder.

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  29. Channel 4 News filming today at Maynooth. When asked why they were filming, nobody was prepared to provide any answers. Is there another scandal looming?

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    1. I wonder.

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    2. Not necessarily a scandal... Ant and Dec were filming at Maynooth about a month ago and maybe it was in relation to that.. But, then again, maybe not...

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    3. @18:04, F*ck off back to you room and eat your easter eggs. coming on here with lies and auld shite talk. There was no news camera on the grounds today.

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    4. Where they actually in the College building as they need written permission - after their last report I doubt they'd get that! LOL

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    5. They were outside the college and in Maynooth itself. They were not very keen to reveal why they were there only to say they were from Channel 4 News. Fact.

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    6. Another shocking scandal may be brewing... again!

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  30. The Papal Nuncio is already in Dublin. I know for a fact he has held private meetings with some Bishops including Amy. He is keen to sort out his furniture and accommodation. He's not wasting any time, he is here unofficially at the moment and is keeping a very quiet and low profile. I'm told he takes no bullshit, doesn't tolerate niceties and small talk and gets straight to the business in hand. His favourite meal is of jollof rice but he may find it difficult getting that in Dublin, who knows?

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    1. I'm sure Gorgeous and the Administrator of the Pro Cathedral can get him some of that rice from their friendly chef in the Shelbourne Hotel?

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    2. The Papal Nuncio needs to understand that he is in Ireland now! More spuds anyone? Eat up!

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  31. Ant and Dec were tracing their Irish roots, it had nothing to do with any Maynooth scandal. Ant and Dec are not an investigative news programme.

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    1. Anyway one of them is on rehab just now.

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  32. Bishop Pat - I can't believe what I'm reading in some of the comments here, with some saying that there must have been some good reason for kicking these guys out at this stage.

    How quickly we forget...Or perhaps some are genuinely naive about the Maynooth situation. A little refresher course might be in order:

    - Have these people forgotten that two years ago the "authorities" in Maynooth tried to kick out SIX seminarians from one class for being orthodox and because they wanted to kneel at a Mass organised by that disgrace of a "Liturgy Centre"?

    - Have they forgotten about the seminarian who was kicked out last year after he uncovered homosexual behaviour between some seminarians? The seminarians who were engaging in these acts were permitted to remain.

    - Have they forgotten that seminarians who were being promiscuous and using Grindr sailed through formation, and despite all of the controversy which came to light last summer still seem to be on track for ordination in the coming months?

    Now I'm not denying that if a student is not suitable, the bishop has to make a decision, but given Maynooth's track record, it is extremely naive for Bishop Browne to take their word for it, particularly when the diocese of Kerry has invested five years in these men. And there are many other bishops who have acted so naively and have lost good men because of it.

    Maynooth does not need a good reason to kick men out...And when there is a good reason to kick men out they don't do it!

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    1. The tedious catholic voice with the axe to grind is the only grinder here.

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    2. long-winded maybe, but anon 19:11 is right..I don't know how anyone could believe a word from that crowd in Maynooth, and bishops stifling genuine vocations while applauding Maynooth makes me sick.

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  33. What was Puck's journey anyway? Was he first a lay student in Maynooth, then went to the Pallottines and then to his home Diocese?

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    1. Pallotine first. Lay second. Maynooth third.

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    2. He came straight from the Pallotines to Maynooth. He joined the Pallotines in 2008 after doing a degree in Theology in Maynooth.

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    3. Why did the Pallotines ask him to leave ?

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    4. He made it out to be his decision. Didn't have much good to say about them when anyone asked...

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    5. He was involved with a pallotine priest working in a Dublin parish. The priest got him into maynooth because of contacts with PDR which was maynooth based.

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  34. With all these stories now emerging from Maynooth coincide with the new Nuncio arriving in Dublin?

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  35. There are many other bishops, orders and societies out there for these Kerry men. Sure the Franciscans may love to have them in Killarney and many a vocations director may recognise a Maynooth-'rejection' as a great sign of a good man. To quote one English Archbishop (who spoke to me in 2010) "I thought they would have cleaned up Maynooth by now".

    Best of luck to these new men. Over time they will realise it's good not to fit into Maynooth!!

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  36. when the sparrows fly the nest they'll open a pandoras box of secrets. everyone has something on someone else.

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    1. never a truer word was spoken. in my experience everyone has a story about everyone, that when revealed bars them from ordination according to canon law. what a strange place Maynooth is

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  37. Can these three men not go to do another diocese and go to the Irish College in Rome to finish their studies?

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  38. Oh great an African is now the Nuncio. one defamatory word out of his mouth about homosexuality and a rant about how gay relationships are 'disordered' and I'll soon bring him down to earth.

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  39. Pat, any idea how the "Independent Panel" for Complaints is working, set up by Michael Collins? Wait, isn't he a member of the seminary council?

    Maybe that is an avenue for the three lads. NOT

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    1. I accessed the independent panel. I supplied a list of witnesses. Not one was contacted. I supplied medical reports confirming psychological abuse; it was not read. The independent panel said it was my word against my abusers and that he was entitled to the presumption of innocence.

      He (Donal O'Neill) left Maynooth npt long after, and is no longer a priest.

      Hugh Connolly verbally acknowledged what happened and apologised but said the trustees would never allow any official apology. The trustees respond and Fanny respond to all complaints from me by saying I accessed the independent panel and they found no grounds for my complaints.

      The panel you ask about predates Collins; it is merely a way of accessing be strength of a complaint d the likelihood of litigation. So to answer your question, they appear to not have been sued so the panel works well. I woyld encourage any seminarians to direct complaints to solicotors/guards.

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