Saturday, 26 August 2017

CAHAL DALY - THE BRIT'S CARDINAL

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BRITISH GOVERNMENT - RELEASED THIS WEEKEND - UNDER THE 30 YEAR RULE - SHOW THAT THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT WAS ANXIOUS THAT THE PRO BRITISH CAHAL DALY REPLACE TOMAS O'FIAICH AS CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF ARMAGH AND PRIMATE OF ALL IRELAND.

Daly was always famous for being Pro British and for having high ranking British politicians and British Army officers visit him at his palace - Lisbreen in Belfast - for meetings and meals.

The British did not like Cardinal O'Fiaich because he was from Republican South Armagh and was quite Republican himself in his outlook.


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The Brits called Tomas O'Fiaich: "THE MAN WITH THE RED HAT AND THE GREEN HEART".

The Brits wanted to make sure that the next cardinal would be far less nationalist and might indeed be open to a good relationship with The British Government, The British Army and the RUC.

Cahal Daly was their man.

Daly basically had an understanding with the British - that he would keep denouncing strong Republicans, Nationalists and paramilitaries.......

And that the British Government would continue to financially support Catholic schools, hospitals and teacher training colleges.


For instance when the British were threatening to combine the Catholic Teacher Training College on the Falls Road with Stranmillis College Daly told them that he would stop condemning the IRA if they did so!


Daly apart from having British politicians, generals and RUC officers to Lisbreen was never himself away from visiting Government Buildings at Stormont etc.


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SIR JOHN HERMON

In fact the former Chief Constable of the RUC - Sir John Hermon - told me himself that Daly called in so often to RUC headquarters in Belfast that he "had him pestered"!

PRIESTS MEETING POLITICIANS OR POLICE

On one occasion Cahal Daly asked me to give any helpful information I had to Sir John Hermon and the RUC!

This request took place in Daly's sister's house off the Ormeau Road in late 1983.

My answer to Daly was:

"Do you not think there are enough informers in Ireland without the priests starting".

Daly was clearly angered by my reply.


AS THE 30 YEAR PAPERS SAY priests from Down and Connor diocese were regularly invited to dine with politicians, army generals and the RUC.


I only had one meal in that context. The Chief Superintendent of B DIVISION - Jimmy Crutchley - Lower Falls etc was promoted to the rank of Assistant Chief Constable.


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I was invited by Mr Crutchley to lunch at RUC Headquarters to celebrate his promotion. The lunch was hosted by Sir John Hermon and there might have been 12 people there. I was asked to say the Grace Before Meals.

At no time during that lunch did anything relating to politics or the community come up.

Crutchley was my contact point when I had complaints to make about the actions of police officers or soldiers in my parish in the Lower Falls.

Crutchley never once asked me anything about anyone.

If he did I would have told him that a priest does not speak about his parishioners to the police.


I cannot answer for any other priest.

I just hope that they never did give information to the police and were never used for that purpose.


ARMY BUG IN PRESBTERY:


During my time at St Peter's Cathedral in Belfast we did find a bug in our priest's dining room.


We suspected it had been placed there by some of the army top brass who had meetings in the dining room.


The bug was in a transistor radio on the fireplace shelf. 


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The former Administrator of St. Peter's - Canon Padraic Murphy - held meetings in the priest's dining room with British politicians and army generals - before my time.

CANON PADRAIC MURPHY - PHOTO COPYRIGHT VICTOR PATTERSON


During my time there - 1978 - 1983 no such meeting took place there - at least not to my knowledge.


WE WILL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW THE FULL DEALINGS THAT CAHAL DALY HAD WITH THE BRITISH!

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GIVING YOU A SUNDAY SMILE


67 comments:

  1. Didn't Cahal Daly embarrass Sir John Hermon in front of his wife by offering to bless his office at RUC HQ at Brooklyn, Knock, Belfast to the consternation of the stout Presbyterian Hermon couple.

    Wining and dining has been a favoured sport of British Governments. Dublin and Hillsborough Castles were/are prized invitations. Stormont House, the current NIO had three dining rooms where the Catholic great and godd were feted.

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    1. He also embarrassed the Hermons by insisting on giving Mrs H the blessing for a pregnant mother.

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    2. 7.19 I hope Mrs Hermons child wasn't born with two heads because of the blessing 😀

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  2. MourneManMichael27 August 2017 at 00:52

    Fishing Motto: "All things come to him who baits!"
    MMM

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  3. The fishing video was the best part..

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  4. Fr Buckley, I have admittedly been a harsh critic of you in the past. I dabble in your blog occasionally for intrigue but I have never made comment. I abhor what I was reading these last few days about the secret files pertaining to Northern Ireland. I think you have been vindicated on the appointment of Bishop Daly to Armagh, A shoddy afair by all accounts and I feeI owe you an apology. This is in light of reading the files that the then Papal Nuciature, the British Secretary of State and the British Prime Minister had concluded they did not want another 'IRA Cardinal'. Is this influence still being exercised today? Is the British Establishment still insistent on keeping a safe pair of hands on the Primatial See? I misjudged you Father on your views of Cardinal Daly, these secret files, now released, are a real eye opener and I hope people now see that man for what he really was.
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    1. Daly should have been a champion of justice for his people. Instead he was courting the establishment.

      I once suggested that he live on the Falls with his people.

      His answer:

      "I cannot. Important people could not come and see me there.

      Surely a bishops people are the important ones?

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    2. Daly once lectured my brother, a high ranking officer in the RUC, about truth and justice. My brother asked him did he apply that in the matter of Brendan Smyth and the families involved. My brother said Daly suddenly noticed somebody in the room he needed to speak to urgently and shot off.

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    3. Daly knew a out Smyth for many years.

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  5. I will give you this - Daly was a pompous little fuss pot - up his own scrawny and conceited ass on many issues - but let there be some semblance of fairness here:

    Cahal Daly "wining and dining"? Balder dash. The man lived on lettuce leaves and boiled chicken! The strongest thing he drank was water.

    The claim that Daly threatened to stop condemning the IRA if the Brits amalgamated St Mary's and Stranmillis - pure rubbish!

    Daly, whatever you might say about him, was passionately opposed to IRA violence as a matter of principle. His main fault lay in his lesser vehemence towards the evil of State violence and murder by agents of the British State.

    He also had a tendency to blame Loyalist terror on the IRA (his insinuating that, if it wasn't for the IRA campaign, the Loyalists wouldn't be murdering Catholics).

    That story about Sylvia Hermon's pregnancy does not ring true as Daly was very ecumenical and would have been careful not to come on too strong, with blessings and the like, at the "other sort".

    The "weasel" description of Daly was actually from a Church of Ireland senior cleric and Orange Order chaplain based on the Donegall Road - a right bitter old weasel himself - who referred to "that red-hatted weasel" during the Drumcree standoffs.

    Daly, all in all, was a disastrous leader for Irish Catholics in Down and Connor during the 1980's. He alienated even devout Catholics in West Belfast who lived, day in and day out, with the tender mercies of the British army and RUC.

    A bishop in the mould of Tomás O'Fiaich would have served them far better - someone like Des Wilson. But there wasn't a hope in hell of that happening!

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    1. The story about Lady Hermon was told to me personally by John Hermon at a Sunday Times function in Belfast.

      I agree Daly ate very little after his heart attack. Daly was there for the influence, not the food.

      The Stranmillis story is true. He said it in my hearing.

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  6. Pat, Bishop Cahal Daly was as entitled as you are, or anyone is, to his view on the political and social situation in the north of Ireland. He was convinced, as many of us now know, that Republicanism in West Belfast in particular had been infiltrated by criminals and gangsters who were using the legitimate aspirations for the British to leave as a cover for extortion and crime. He had every right, to my mind, to condemn this. As for your allegation that he "threatened" to stop condemning SF/IRA if the funding for RC teacher training colleges: I would like to see your evidence for this assertion? How do you know this was said? Where you present when it was said? Or is this just hearsay? One final point. You repeatedly state that priests, yourself included, would not speak to the police about your parishioners? Does this include any time when you learned that your parishioners where involved in the sexual abuse of children> Would you refuse to talk to the police about your parishioners then?

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    1. I have reported child abuse to the police and social services.

      The offenders were mainly priests.

      It was I who reported James Donaghy to the police. The family of Tonight's "Victim A" met the police first in my house.

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    2. 'You repeatedly state that priests, yourself included, would not speak to the police about your parishioners? Does this include any time when you learned that your parishioners where involved in the sexual abuse of children> Would you refuse to talk to the police about your parishioners then?' Was that not the very approach the Catholic Church and clergy adopted towards the police and authorities when Catholic priests were sodomising young boys?

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    3. No I have never failed to report abuse.

      I have done so on a least a dozen times.

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    4. 15.15.....Perfect Pat. That's what all of us in any authority are to do. Report to relevant authorities. Yet, you think it's ok to spread innuendo and rumour about others on this blog. It's not ok. And where you or anyone on this blog has real, serious concerns or kniwledge about the deviancy of others, this blog is not the appropriate forum to pronounce definitive judgment, as us your inclination Pat. All too often.

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  7. It is easy to make statements about the dead.

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    1. I made these statements to and about Daly when he was alive!

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  8. Very easy to attribute quotes and motives to others when they're not around to defend themselves. Cardinal Daly had his faults but to demonise him now is hypocritical of you Pat. Daly had every good reason, wisely, to pass you on. You were and are a troublesome person within. Also, when putting people's history and life into perspective, you should do much more learned resesrch instead of depending on cliched tabloid gutter.

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  9. The released files speak for themselves.

    I knew Daly and had many conversations with him - and I have a large file of correspondence with him which I will publish in time.

    I also have a Masters degree from QUB in Irish Studies.

    I know what I am talking about.

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  10. Pity history is written in reverse. Question is how do we guard against and deal with possible idiots going forward. Less cloak and dagger might help

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  11. When I was a seminarian in Maynooth in the 80s I often spotted Cahal Daly heading into the village in his greca. He was the only Irish or British bishop I've seen so bedizined. Grecas are usually seen just in Rome. All his life Cahal looked as old as tea and if you tried to converse with him he gave a tight smile and rushed off.

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    1. I'm sure you are confusing a Greca with a soutane/cassock. He regularly went down the town in his.

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    2. It was a greca.

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  12. You are not using your supposed learning except to twist, thwart & skew the truth to suit your agenda. It's a known fact, you had a fractious relationship with Cathal Daly to which you contributed hugely.

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  13. The fact is Cahal Daly was head and shoulders above any other cleric in his generation and was therefore always in pole position to reach the top of the Church hierarchy. The truth is that he should have been appointed to Down and Connor instead of William Philbin, rather than being sent to cut his teeth and ice his heels in Longford. I, for one, am delighted that he rose to the See of Armagh, even if by the time of his appointment he was a little too old and had expended all his energies in the very difficult and troublesome See of Down and Connor. Pat you met your match in Cahal Daly, and to this day you are paying the price. He was a shrewd judge of character, unlike his rather unworldly and easily manipulated predecessor Bishop Philbin.

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  14. Re/.. "otherwise the Brits would amalgamate St Mary's etc.."
    That's absolute poppycock!
    It wouldn't have been in their gift to make any such decision - -definitely not!
    That's not how the N Ireland education system works and is organised.
    Why do you think we still have Grammar Schools to this day even when they were mainly discouraged and very largely disbanded in England until recent attempts to revive some of them?
    We control our own education system.
    So if Pat heard the above threat to amalgamate St Mary's, then it was bluff.
    What, however, WAS happening at that time was a strong money-saving push and suggestion happening in Stormont --mainly from the Alliance Party - - to amalgamate. The amalgamation of St Mary's College with St Joseph's, Trench House went through and was more easily accepted though (also opposed by many of us at the time - - to do with downsizing and Staff redundancies)
    It was a N Ireland matter, nothing to do with John Hermon. None of his business in both senses of the term.

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  15. Re/.. "otherwise the Brits would amalgamate St Mary's etc.."
    That's absolute poppycock!
    It wouldn't have been in their gift to make any such decision - -definitely not!
    That's not how the N Ireland education system works and is organised.
    Why do you think we still have Grammar Schools to this day even when they were mainly discouraged and very largely disbanded in England until recent attempts to revive some of them?
    We control our own education system.
    So if Pat heard the above threat to amalgamate St Mary's, then it was bluff.
    What, however, WAS happening at that time was a strong money-saving push and suggestion happening in Stormont --mainly from the Alliance Party - - to amalgamate. The amalgamation of St Mary's College with St Joseph's, Trench House went through and was more easily accepted though (also opposed by many of us at the time - - to do with downsizing and Staff redundancies)
    It was a N Ireland matter, nothing to do with John Hermon. None of his business in both senses of the term.

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  16. I knew Cahal Daly and I knew him well. He was a complex character who had a sliding scale which informed him as to how much time he should devote to someone. He was a churchman first, last and everything in between. His pecking order of those who deserved his time were those who excelled in the study of the sacred sciences. Scholastic or dogmatic theology were top line. Ecclesiastical historians were given lots of space in his world.
    He would often yearn for older days and old clergy friends like Frank Kerr and Jimmy Hendley. Although he professed admiration for Arthur Ryan he was very jealous of him.
    He always had an eye for the opportunity to meet and influence those who could help his career path either in the church or in society.This was more apparent since he came to D&C.
    He had his favourites but was socially awkward. He found small talk tedious although he listened to and often acted on tittle tattle.
    He loved being fawned over by women and shown "respect"
    The protection of the church's good name and its assets was paramount.
    All in all he was not a nice man. He had a veneer of being friendly to "ordinary people" That included foot soldier priests.
    The revelations in the media over the last few days are no surprise but only the tip of an iceberg.

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  17. Cahal Daly has blighted and harmed the lives of serving Priests. Has anyone ever considered his legacy? My brother is a young Priest whose life was destroyed by Daly, he drinks himself to death and doesn't go out of his house. He is not alone. So for those of you who think Cahal Daly was a saint, please think again. He was a controlling nasty little bully. He once referred to the people of South Derry as "Republican Scum".

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    1. @15:10 You mean the people of South Londonderry.
      Northern Ireland is British! Don't you forget it!

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    2. It was Derry a long time before it became Londonderry squire.

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  18. There is no way that the "British were threatening to amalgamate.." St Mary's and Stranmillis Colleges.
    They would have had absolutely no say in the decision whatsoever as it was a N Ireland matter.
    Once the Education budget of money is allocated, it is our responsibility to decide on priorities of spending.

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    1. I think the point we were making is that during Direct Rule the money was allocated but the Dept of Education Rathgael Rd and BELB in Academy St Belfast (which was there doing all of Direct Rule and still is - -) received yearly statistics etc from us and School Inspections continued etc and they made the allocation and budget decisions. They also informed us of numbers of teaching Staff our school would be allowed based on our yearly statistics.
      After the revival of Stormont, we found that the new "Education Minister"was expected to be - - as a LOCAL minister, much more hands on in the way you are thinking.
      But there was never a Direct Rule era when we didn't have a whole plethora of education governance. London would not have had slightest interest and that's why it was an era of stagnation and so unpopular. It wasn't an easy time for those of us who had to decide who got funding and who wasn't so lucky this time round. Lots of protests and appeals came in.

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    2. I think the point we were making is that during Direct Rule the money was allocated but the Dept of Education Rathgael Rd and BELB in Academy St Belfast (which was there doing all of Direct Rule and still is - -) received yearly statistics etc from us and School Inspections continued etc and they made the allocation and budget decisions. They also informed us of numbers of teaching Staff our school would be allowed based on our yearly statistics.
      After the revival of Stormont, we found that the new "Education Minister"was expected to be - - as a LOCAL minister, much more hands on in the way you are thinking.
      But there was never a Direct Rule era when we didn't have a whole plethora of education governance. London would not have had slightest interest and that's why it was an era of stagnation and so unpopular. It wasn't an easy time for those of us who had to decide who got funding and who wasn't so lucky this time round. Lots of protests and appeals came in.

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    3. There was a proposal to merge the two colleges.

      I attended meetings of priests opposed to it.

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  19. @15.10
    I am glad that your brother is "not alone" as I'm sure he is glad of the company and wouldn't want to be feeling isolated. It's always nice to have someone to talk to.

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    1. He has no company and keeps himself isolated. He doesn't talk to anyone and it's a worry for us even though he tries to hide it. He can't function as a Priest anymore it's that bad. Cahal Daly was and is his downfall.

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    2. I am very sorry to hear your story of your brother's isolated life. He is fortunate to have you. He must not let Cahal Daly define how he spends the remainder of his life! He must fight back to regain his normality! (I am previous poster at 19.39)I didn't mean to be harsh but I was actually being very sincere and meant every word I said. Could you re-read it and reflect very carefully on what I said? You can help your brother drag himself up bit by bit but start with seeing the doctor re/a check for depression etc in case it is necessary. Doing nothing is not an option if it's as bad as say. God bless.

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    3. Pat, can something be done to help this man. It doesn't sound good for his mental well being. Maybe you wouldn't consider helping a Priest given your own position. I just hope he gets help wherever he is.

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    4. If his relative wants to contact me I would love to help.

      I spent all day today trying to help someone with an alcohol addiction - with the help of an experienced AA member, a recovering alcoholic.

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    5. Nonsense 22.28. That priest needs professional help. It's ridiculous to blame Cathal Daly. Just so ridiculous. Priests become isolated, drinkers and act strangely for all kinds of reasons. I feel sorry for this man but for God's sake - get him to a safe sanctuary of help.

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    6. 23.18 What a horrible person you are! First, get the name correct, Cahal not Cathal. You know nothing of this situation so stop trying to say 'nonsense' when you haven't even a clue. Pat it's equally wrong of you comparing this case to a recovering alcoholic.

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    7. Can a kindly person help 22.18 by befriending this young man? Provide a meal, be a companion. It's clear the young Priest needs company and seems very alone which I think is sad? I would offer to help myself but I'm caring constantly for my dying Father. I need company too in an isolated situation, sometimes it's people like us who are overlooked by society. Please help that young man someone with any Christianity.

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  20. Your brother (@15.10) has decided to just accept this "legacy"!? Pity.
    It's in his hands and only he can decide when enough is enough and he is ready and willing to leave the past behind and move on.
    This is so, so true but every new victim has to learn it for himself. Easier said than done from every possible point of view - yes - -but nevertheless it's the only way forward. Some people just can't.
    Some people get accustomed to their new life(even if it's a miserable one) and just won't.
    Nothing we can do, except maybe attempt to make them actually see that!

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  21. 15.10...If your brother whi is a priest drinks as yiu ssy he does, I know who you are talking about!! Disgraceful to reveal this on a tabloid gutter blog.

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  22. His Eminence Cahal Brendan Cardinal Daly was one wicked, pernicious and poisonous little dwarf.

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    1. @17.25
      "..wicked, pernicious and poisonous little dwarf." -
      -I take it you weren't that keen on him then?
      If you had been on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? you wouldn't have used him as your 'Phone a Friend'.

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  23. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDouGAFVaE

    Its just a trailer on you Tube. The full film is available on Netflix.

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  24. The correct form is "Brits' Cardinal"

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    1. A sentence requires a full stop.
      Knowing when to post and when not to is called tact.
      Punctuation is not your forte either.

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  25. Your brother obviously had personal issues. It's easy to hang the blame on one element of his story. Why don't you intervene and get him help?

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  26. Cahal Daly has SMS - Small Man's Syndrome and bullied everyone who let him.

    His problem with me is that I refused the bully!

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    1. Cathal Daly may have SMD - Small mans Synrome. Our Pat has worse - BMS - Big man Syndrome! He thinks he can bully everyone. Pat, you are a scandal to the gospel of Christ. You are an abysmal failure in true Christianity. Your contempt and vile hatred for those who are and were better than you is frightening. You seriously need REPENTANCE. You have nothing substantial religiously or spiritually to offer. You are empty. You spend the Lord's Day trying to spread your hatred. What a contradiction of the Eucharist which you celebrated toay - with piosity !

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    2. Who have I bullied?

      I don't do piousity.

      Today at Mass we dealt with the spirituality of the 12 Steps of AA.

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  27. Looking back over previous entries in this blog, it appears that Pat has a tendency to maintain grudges. I suppose any of us in similar situations may also be inclined to bear grudges against those we perceive as having wronged us. It just seems to not square with the Gospel values of radical forgiveness and reconciliation. If the impetus behind Pat's work is to effect a reformation/revolution in the Irish Church in terms of how the faith is lived and practiced, then I think it should be squarely based in modeling Gospel values, such as "Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you" (Colossians 3:13); "For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins" (Matthew 6:14-15); "Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you" (Ephesians 4:31-32); "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matthew 5:43-44). I don't know that holding on to anger and bitterness and regularly airing them on social media is a way to model the path of radical forgiveness that Jesus preached and the New Testament emphasizes.

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    1. The crowd we are dealing with view Gospel values as weakness and walk all over people who approach them on that basis.

      The Jesus with the whip in the temple might be a better Gospel based approach.

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    2. I'm sure Jesus might whip you Pat to show his contempt and unacceptance of your arrogance, self righteousness and hatred!!

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    3. If Jesus, not you, thinks I need a whipping, let it be done.

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    4. I think the response @22:25 is a bit of a cop out. It's the equivalent of saying that we get to pick and choose the Gospel values we want to live by, and the ones that challenge us too much can be dropped. I think it's also a cop in that Jesus' action in the Temple was prophetic and wasn't based in personal animosity or bitterness. However, reading through a lot of the posts on this blog it's reasonably easy to detect animosity and bitterness being expressed towards those mentioned.

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    5. @21:31 The spiritual imperative to forgive is incumbent on all parties.God forgives in confession through the absolution conferred by the priest dependant on the penitent being truly repentant and resolved not to sin again. I believe God is totally forgiving and it is us who turn away in self justification. To be justified by God we need to turn back to him, let him burn away our pride and selfishness. So it is in our human dealings too, that we can forgive those who trespass against us, but God's justice demands the same from them. A rebalancing, a reconciliation. We are human and some of the negative traits you mention inevitably arise, but forgiveness only absolves the debt with the rebalancing of justice, be that a penance, a criminal sentence and apologies and amendments. Therefore it is literally unjust for you to deny that process for Pat or anyone else and you have not eyes to see into the soul of Pat or anyone else to determine whether or not their lies within a determination to overcome the promptings of the self that seeks revenge or the spirit that seeks to forgive.
      I want to send love to that Priest struggling with alcoholism. I hope he might find a way to manage more comfortably. Perhaps reduce harm by drinking something less strong. We are the Church and although he will not get an apology from a dead man, perhaps neither from the current hierarchy, I will apologise on behalf of my Church for things it has done and for things it has failed to do, that have left this man not caring to live. Jesus came that we might have life and life to the full and we, his priests and people are failing to follow Our Lord if our lives and practices do not promote this or watch with our brothers and sisters in their personal gethsemane.

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    6. @ poster 22.34
      "...a lot of the posts... animosity and bitterness.."
      But not all of us express those feelings towards others on this blog--please!
      I wrote twice towards another poster earlier this evening and always with sincere kindness and real desire to use my ability and experience to try and help.. I never write with bitterness any day that I respond...

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    7. @00:01, by posts I meant the articles Pat writes, not the responses people make to them.

      @21:31, I wasn't reading into anyone's soul. I was basing this on what appears in black and white on this blog. Calling people names and holding on to past hurts for 20, 30, or 40 years indicates that there's bitterness and anger. Anger can be a good thing when it motivates us to change things for the better. I think anger becomes an anchor when it drags us into bitterness and resentment. I think if Pat wants to start a radical revisioning of the Church in Ireland it would start by modeling the values presented in the Gospels.

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    8. Thanks - - I understand..

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  28. D&C appointments are out.......I am not familiar enough with the diocese - are there any big surprises?

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