Friday, 11 August 2017

MAYNOOTH 2017

MAYNOOTH

CLASS PIECE 2017

A Maynooth source has sent us a copy of the 2017 class piece that is hanging in the main corridor in Maynooth.

But is surrounded in mystery.

It contains THREE MISSING PERSONS / DEACONS:

SEAN "KING PUCK" JONES - KERRY

MICHAEL "GORGEOUS" BYRNE - DUBLIN

AIDAN GALLAGHER - TUAM




Where are these missing deacons?

A Kerry priest tells us that Sean Jones is being secretly transferred from being a deacon in Listowel to being a deacon at the Cathedral in Killarney?

He also says that Ray Browne is giving Puck "a long goodbye"?

Tuam deacon Aidan Gallagher has disappeared off the radar completely amid rumours of family crisis and reports of Garda involvement?

Gorgeous has finished in the Irish College in Rome and HAS NOT BEEN SEEN at the Pro Cathedral or even in his favourite haunts in Barcelona - although there is rumour among the Dublin clergy that Diarmuid Martin will SECRETLY ordain him at an unknown venue in November ???

DID THE NEW PRESIDENT FOR 3 YEARS - FANNY MULLANEY - RUSH INTO PRINT WITH THE 2017 CLASSPIECE AND IS NOW STUCK WITH IT?

OTHER INFORMATION IN THE CURRENT MAYNOOTH KALENDARIUM 2016 - 2017

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MISSING - 

1. THE THREE KERRY SEMINARIANS THAT WERE DISMISSED

2. KEVIN MC ELROY - DOWN AND CONNOR

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THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAYNOOTH





WE BRING THIS INFORMATION FOR THE BENEFIT OF READERS.

COMMENTS WELCOMED

134 comments:

  1. I wouldn't worry too much. Usually if someone is genuinely missing their family or friends would inform the Gardai. Their whereabouts are probably known to those who would be genuinely concerned for their well-being.

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  2. The 'formation' of would-be priests is equivalent to the 'traineeship' or 'internship' that many graduates must undertake as part of a vocational qualification. Statistically a certain number of aspirants always drop out from these programmes - would-be engineers, medics, architects, lawyers, teachers, etc. Should we be surprised that Maynooth is any different?

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    1. I'd be astonished if any of the other occupations you mentioned had the attrition rate of Maynooth, where only a minority proceed to ordination.

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    2. @anon 01.31.
      Perhaps you missed the rate of drop out and the evident reasons why.

      Using your own example of say medics:
      1. A class of about 17 trainee doctors arrive in university.
      2. They spend 6 years training there at a cost of almost €20k per year.
      3. their training and lifestyle is subject to national media scandal.
      4. some leave according to your own admitted standard attrition rate - fair enough.
      5. About half disappear either because they have made a complaint or they are subject to that complaint.
      6. the remaining three remain and graduate
      7. of those three one cannot be found
      8. of those the two who can be found you would be slow to take your child to them for healthcare.
      9. The one remaining lives at the other end of the island.

      Result: absence of professional and home remedy. In Maynooth's case: failure to practice religion.

      ... so using your own example.... we should be worried.

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  3. SJ is not in that class photo.

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  4. Routine process for class piece in Maynooth is that the students elect one staff member onto it, in this case Mr. John o'keeffe. After that the college put on any retiring staff or staff leaving after years of service. I would ask where are Paul Prior and Hugh Connolly?

    Their absence is a clear sign that while the trustees tried to save face, the trustees were also aware that something went wrong under the watch of these two incompetent Muppets. They never admit such things directly, but their actions sooner or later expose their knowledge/opinions.

    Hugh Connolly, Paul Prior, Donal O'Neill... please exit by the backdoor discreetly.

    CR

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    1. @CR: "Their absence is a clear sign" that the image above is not the entire Classpiece as it hangs on the wall in Maynooth. There are photos along the bottom row in the actual Classpiece that have not been included in the image above.

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    2. The picture is edited on the blog. The original can be seen in either the Kalendarium or in the College, where Monsignor Connolly is clearly pictured with the class.

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    3. What about Paul Prior?

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    4. Well if they are indeed within the class piece than shame on the Trustees. After what these men did and what they failed to do.

      CR

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  5. Sean Jones is on the 2016 Classpiece.

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    1. Why is Sean Jones on the 2016 classpiece? Was he meant to be ordained in 2016 and if so, why wasn't he?

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    2. Perhaps he wasn't ready. Why does it matter so much to you?

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    3. 12.19 Because it's a matter of public interest. People in the Church are entitled to know, especially people who gave money to educate these boyos.

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    4. Basically, those who finish their theology studies - i.e. IV Divinity - go on the classpiece. It's not really an ordination classpiece at all - it used to be, but now every seminarian who finishes theology goes on it whether or not they are ultimately ordained. So, no SJ was not meant to be ordained in 2016. There are several seminarians on the classpieces for the past few years who were never ordained, and several who didn't even study theology in Maynooth - it's all about making the numbers look good.

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    5. Is Gannon on that classpiece?

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    6. I see King Puck's Babe, Brendan Marshall, listed under Armagh Seminarians. I wonder if Babe has been down to see Puck in Kerry over the summer?

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  6. Arlene's on fire11 August 2017 at 08:44

    They should put up missing person photos in Maynooth.

    I see that last year there was a grand total of 39 resident seminarians, rattling about in a seminary built for 650. How much does it cost to keep that place open and what is the cost per seminarian?

    39 seminarians is truly pathetic. When I entered Maynooth in the 1980s there were 86 first years (ie more than twice the entire seminary now). The other, now defunct, diocesean seminaries (Clonliffe, Waterford, Wexford, Carlow, Kilkenny, Thurles) were still open and receiving their own first years. Religious houses in Maynooth still open then have now closed (the SMAs, Columbans, Kiltegans, Presentation and Mercy sisters) and elsewhere All Hallows (missions), Milltown (Jesuits) and Kimmage (Spiritans).

    Do the bishops feel any responsibility for this? Do they care? Any other leaders presiding over such decline would at the very least launch an inquiry, at the worst resign. But the Visitors of Maynooth are also bishops who mark the homework of the episcopal Trustees. What a farce.

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    1. This post should be published in the mainstream and Catholic media under the banner headline " WHY?" It is, and it has been for thirty years, obvious to those of us who through th Spirit and the generosity of self and our parents, entered seminary, only to be ground down by incompetent small minded superiors who would not last two days in " civy street".

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    2. In no other profession would a person be allowed be both Trustee and Visitor. The corrupt regulating the corrupted.

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    3. Speaking of 'civy street' - if the trustees of any secular business/organisation managed it like these men have managed Maynooth, they would be fired immediately.

      The formation staff, and indeed their predecessors, aren't to be blamed, the buck must stop with the trustees who have allowed Maynooth to become the worst seminary in the English speaking world.

      The Holy See should be asking for their resignations and should appoint competent men to oversee the governance of the Irish seminaries.

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    4. Will it be gone at the end of Fanny's shortened 3 year tenure?

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  7. Arlene's on fire11 August 2017 at 08:50

    Fergal Cummins, Meath, in his final year of formation, was in December admitted to candidacy, ie lined up for ordination to the diaconate, but he was a missing person when diaconate came round in May 2017. This must be the smallest diaconate ordination in the history of Maynooth.

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    1. Yes, it was the smallest diaconate ordination in the history of the seminary.

      Next year could be even smaller - there were only two students on pastoral year this past year who would be due for diaconate ordination next year.

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    2. Eventually the classpiece will be just one large portrait of a single priest.

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    3. "..large portrait of a single priest" Maybe...... or even a married one.

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  8. I have written to 5 of the visiting prelates with regards to complaints relating to staff conduct during my time in Maynooth.

    The five are,
    Diarmuid Martin
    Eamon Martin
    Kieran O'Reilly
    Johnny Buckley
    Mickey Smith

    - Both Johnny and Mickey said that it was a matter for the trustees and outside their remit.
    - The Martin's both ignored my complaint.
    - Kieran told me to write to Rome (the address of which individual would be responsible was not supplied).

    5 years of formation and the most life giving learning I got from it was that I'm better off not practicing religion.

    God is in my heart, my soul and my garden but not in the Catholic church, nor in the majority of people I saw ordained in Maynooth and most definitely not in most of the bishops I've met.

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    1. Amy tends to ignore letters of concern and complaint, some bad habit she picked up being Administrator of Derry. We have the Armagh Farmer who never got a reply about an Armagh Priest and his son at World Youth Day. He's also been written to about the perversions of Fr X and of his identity but no replies are forthcoming. It sounds as if they need to be quietly cornered and asked to their faces.

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    2. To poster 9.07.
      That's sad but don't you see that the very fact that you feel that way about your Faith and your formation means that the Staff were actually right in their judgement not to advise you to go ahead with Ordination. Their assessment of you has proved to be correct.

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    3. 12.29 That's extremely harsh coming from you when you know very little about 9.07's situation. He was complaining of staff conduct during 5 years of his life in Maynooth. He didn't see much evidence of God in some people being ordained and in some Bishops. I know that would put a huge dent in anyone's faith. He is talking about the toxicity and incompetence of the Maynooth system which destroyed many a vocation. So please don't rush to rubbish the vocation he had and judge him unworthy in your eyes without knowing the facts. The guy wants to share his experience with the Bishops who basically don't want to know - therein lyes the problem that is Maynooth Seminary.

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    4. But 9.07 actually stated that the poster felt that he "was better off not practising religion"!
      How on earth could such a person be suitable for Ordination?!
      That's all anyone needs to know.The reasons for that unfortunate outcome may well be complex and as you describe. But it is what it is. He was sadly unable to remain unaffected by the prevailing atmosphere at the time and to make his way, unscathed, through to his Ordination. In the end I'm afraid that was the real test of suitability. (However, that does not at all excuse or exonerate from blame those in positions of authority who should have given him the inspiration and support he needed)

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    5. @ Anon 12.29 & 13.49
      You have missed the point altogether. The conduct of the Catholic Church and it's clergy, formation staff and many seminarians is the type of conduct that a true believer cannot want to be associated with.

      Sometimes good men just have to walk away because their faith will not allow them make a promise of obedience to a cowardly bishop who fails in his mission again and again. Nor can many a good man promises to serve a church that fails so miserably in living up to it's own faith and it's own teachings.

      The true believer must necessarily walk away and not perpetuate the dysfunction.

      Poster Anon @ 09.07 stated that his faith is intact - but just not evident in the Church as he experienced it. Should the Church live up to it's own teachings [or at least try to] then I'm sure there would be many more men staying in Maynooth - and probably men of a higher calibre then those who currently stay there.

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    6. There is afar cry between a man actually being called to a priestly vocation and a man who is subjected to live in a casual, active gay circle. Nobody can blame a man from walking away from something so far from his calling.

      Anon 12.29; you only make a surface level point, the truth is that Anon 09.07 was simply not called to live out the dysfunction that he found.

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    7. 9.07 I believe you make a sad but valid point and to tell the truth I do not know what the answer is in real terms. So much retoric is wearisome and seems to be a never ending circle.

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    8. If you don't know what the answer is then why the hell are you rabbiting on about it.

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    9. Thank you Sean. I believe the answer is ultimately beyond human comprehension.

      Therefore to me the answer is to trust in God and to be true to my faith in him. I find God where God hides. And I'm ok with the fact that I did not find him in the Church. Rather I find him in smaller things, such as in the empathy of your comment. Thank you

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    10. Of course the counter-reformation foundation of the seminary system was intended to get 'em young and shape them. Men go in older these days but still at a formative age and unfortunately are formed to... Well, let's not underestimate how much a twisted formation environment messes with your head.

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    11. 19.37 Perhaps it's back to basics as Jesus showed through the parables. I was away from church for 10 years and the church of which I am now part is far from perfect. I did need to reconnect with a faith community in the long run. I should add that when I left the RC Church I was as much in the wrong as the group I walked away from.

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    12. 09.07 Sounds as if you shouldn't have been in a Seminary, they were right to let you go from what you say. No point crying about it now and looking for sympathy.

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    13. To @15.11
      Contrary to what you say that those posters "miss the point completely"
      I think they have hit the nail right on the head.
      If a seminarian comes to the gradual realisation that Ordination is not for him and acts sincerely upon it(by leaving) , then he does the wise and correct thing. Those who helped him to get to that correct path - for him - did their job efficiently. Even though there's a shortage of priests, they didn't try to unduly influence the wrong candidate to go through with something which would not bring him happiness and a fulfilled life. Discovering that one's path lies elsewhere does not involve any loss of face and there does not need to be a process of blaming and excuses.

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    14. MourneManMichael12 August 2017 at 11:20

      Interesting to read the various replies to Anon @ 9:07.
      For me, Anon @ 15:11's analysis is the most likely, and those he refers to seem incapable of getting the point, as does 00:11 subsequently.
      In simple terms, it seems that some excuse reprehensible seminary and episcopal behaviour by likening it to a valid 'trial by fire' test of a seminarian's capacity to run their gauntlet of negative actions in order to join up to a clerical club intent on perpetuating such behaviour.
      It's little wonder some will say "No thanks: not for me".
      MMM

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    15. @15.11.
      You have it theoretically correct except the practice is a flip side of your point. The man focused on funding God was left alone in his garden, gently living. The man focused on casual gay sex was left in seminary and ordained. If anything those who stayed and those who left were guided in a very inefficient manner.

      Your point is only correct on the assumption that the seminary system is full of sincere men. Alas it is not.

      @ MMM - I agreed 100% with you.

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    16. This debate is worthy of an independent thread some day.

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  9. A rogues' gallery. One has to wonder how many have online accounts with gay dating sites , or paying masseurs for... well, let's just say, "extras" . Time will tell.

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  10. Any update on religious orders?

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  11. Under what circumstances did Sean Jones leave the Pallotine order?

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  12. Was Deacon Kevin Connelly not Clogher? Why did he switch to Meath?

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    1. The Meath presbyteries are better appointed. Clogher's have a rustic charm, though.

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    2. 09.57 Kevin Connelly did make that switch. Perhaps he needed to be near someone.

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    3. 09:57: Are you engaging in Hearey say?

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    4. Maybe I'm listening out for too much Hearey say. Wouldn't want Meath taking any offence - none intended.

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  13. MourneManMichael11 August 2017 at 10:07

    I think it's comical to read the pompous titles: "His Grace Most Reverend etc etc"
    But others, given the status and common view of the Irish RC establishment, might say 'tragic' rather than comical!
    But I prefer 'comical' in consideration of one of my dictionaries definitions of farce: absurdly futile proceedings or pretence.
    MMM

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    1. It's only in Ireland that Catholic bishops are called Most Rev. In other English speaking countries, bishops are Rt Rev,with archbishops alone being Most Rev.

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    2. Only Irish PP's are referred to as Very Reverend, it's just plain Reverend in England and elsewhere. Why do the Irish Clergy have to be so different or special?

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    3. Irish bishops are all Most Rev to keep up a differential with mere monsignori, who are Rt Revs. Irish PPs are Very Rev so as to elevate them from curates, who are just Rev.

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    4. I go back to my point that Very Reverend for PP's applies to very few places including Ireland and is a total nonsense. Why should they be elevated above anyone let alone a curate? Why should Bishops be Most Reverend and why should Nonsognori be Right Reverend. It's all clap trap titles that are totally meaningless, what makes one more Right Reverend than a Reverend? What makes one more Most Reverend than a Right Reverend? It's totally farcical. Don't even get me going on each Irish Bishop afforded an automatic Doctor of Divinity without even studied for such a degree. No wonder why the Irish Heirarchy are such a laughing stock to those outside the Irish Church - you couldn't possibly make it up. The days for fancy titles are over, the days of lording it over other folk in big Palaces and Parochial Houses- often modelled on the rich aristocratic landowners of yesteryear are slipping away. Thank God.

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  14. Regarding the 39 students at Maynooth, I read on Fr Ray Blake's blog that there are 4 Russian Orthodox seminaries in Moscow each having between 300 and 400 students for the priesthood. Food for thought .

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    1. Eastern Orthodox priests have the choice of marrying or not.

      If raises the question whether Maynooth would once again be full to the brim, and the other seminaries have to re-open, if Catholic priests were afforded the same option.

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    2. MourneManMichael11 August 2017 at 12:32

      That's moot question Anon @ 11:17.
      I think there would be quite a significant increase in "vocations".
      And I say that believing that there would be a considerable number of applicants seeking admission to the clerical ranks more as a route to a historically high status respected profession requiring relatively few skills and demands, than because of religious conviction.
      When I look at some of the RC priests I've encountered, with a few noteable exceptions, I find them an uninspiring lot.
      But maybe things are changing as the 'high status' and 'respected profession' aspects are being rapidly eroded.
      MMM

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    3. Anyone who has been following the recent controversies about Maynooth on this blog and elsewhere cannot possibly think that Maynooth would be full again if compulsory celibacy were abolished.

      The fact is that Maynooth is rotten. The theology is rotten, the philosophy is rotten. Good men who do put themselves forward are rejected or dropped by their bishops without explanation. Men who shouldn't be there are allowed to sail through. If the celibacy rule was dropped tomorrow, the seminary would still be a disgrace.

      Furthermore, it is not the case that all Orthodox seminaries are full, nor is the Anglican Communion bursting with vocations. On the other hand, Roman Catholic dioceses which are faithful and authentic tend to have plenty of seminarians, which to me proves that authenticity is the key. Abolishing celibacy as a solution to places like Maynooth will do nothing to solve the issues which are present - all it will do is give the impression that the bishops are doing something, whereas in actual fact it will give them a free pass once again to deny the real problem with the seminary.

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    4. Yours sounds like a Catholic Voice, or a True Scots Catholic one. No analysis just a rush to judgement.

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    5. 15:19 - I think the analysis has been done. All that 13:40 stated reflects what has come out in the media and this blog, not a "rush to judgement".

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    6. @15.19

      No. I'm afraid the only "rush to judgement" is your's.

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    7. Yours (without apostrophe) - like his.

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  15. So, Pat, why are the media not picking up on Eamonn McCamley? And why, if he is innocent, has he not met your claims with fire and fury?

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    1. Least said, soonest mended.

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    2. 11.01 The media can't report on McCamley because Amy and Armagh have secured a high court injunction against them. This injunction according to a solicitor friend would have cost in the region of £4-5,000. Why would you go to such lengths if a person was innocent or there was no evidence. I think you are sitting on more material on this one Pat.

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    3. McCamley react "with fire and fury"? He is not answerable to the posters here in his opinion. He negates you by ignoring you. Just because he is on your radar, that does not mean that you are on his. He doesn't give you the dignity of recognition as your opinion is inconsequential.
      What a shame he did not show the same dignity and good judgement on an earlier occasion..

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  16. Pat, why is Hugh Connolly enjoying the Parisian cafe culture and not back in his Diocese of Dromore? Promotion for being partly the cause of the mess in Maynooth!! Surely Dromore needs more Priests to help out or maybe they are well stocked with them.

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    1. Dromore is very short of priests. Many of these guys feel they are "too good" for a parish.

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    2. Even though Paris sounds lovely - and it is - in terms of appointments in the Irish Church, it is a demotion. There is a very small Irish community there, the once illustrious Irish College in Paris is now reduced to a "cultural centre"...Plus the fact that Hughie was expecting to be made a bishop but he gets shipped off to Paris instead. At best, I would view this as a case of "out of sight, out of mind" as far as the bishops are concerned.

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    3. Arlene's on fire11 August 2017 at 13:30

      Dromore has no seminarians in Maynooth yet Hugh Connolly gets a sinecure in Paris. LOL

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    4. 13.14 I would consider any place in Paris as a promotion rather than an appointment back in Dromore

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    5. If Maynooth were to close its doors where would they send their Seminarians? Allen Hall London or Oscott in Birmingham? If that were the case it would be out of the frying pan and into the fire. Soho in London and Hurst Street in Birmingham would be doing a roaring trade from Seminarians at weekends.

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    6. Hugh Connolly is one of the really good people.

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    7. 15.21 Get real, get a life and don't insult our intelligence. You probably like him because he let you sail through the system.

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    8. Two answers to this:

      Firstly Hugh would not be capable of parish routine - The people would not accept his obvious shortcomings.

      Secondly - I know firsthand that the Bishop of Dromore is absolutely terrified of media attention. Any threat of the media, even by association with Hugh, means that Hugh must be kept as far away from McAreavey as possible. Clearly Paris is not as far as Rome, but Rome evidently didn't want him either.

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    9. I look forward to reporting sightings. Irish quarter doesn't count.
      - Resident with a view of Hurst Street Birmingham.

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    10. Chinese quarter doesn't count either.

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    11. You've been sighted in Dromore with your bodyguard or perhaps you are his bodyguard, whatever, Arlene won't want to many of you about her Jeffrey's pad.

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  17. Interesting to note that some of the trustees of the seminary do not have a single seminarian studying for the priesthood:

    - Clonfert
    - Dromore
    - Killala
    - Achonry

    The bishop of Derry does not have any seminarians in Maynooth, nor, of course, does the Archbishop of Dublin.

    - As for having a former director of formation as secretary to the trustees...

    Is it any wonder that there is no will among the bishops to clean the place up?

    By the way, Pat, the three Kerry seminarians that were dismissed are not missing from the list. They are there in the section, "Kerry" - III Divinity, III Divinity, I Divinity.

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    1. That refers to last year. They may not be there still.

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    2. If they were resident in the seminary even for a short while they are on the list in the Kalendarium, even if they left or were dismissed during the course of the year.

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  18. There is an interesting article on association of catholic priests website today.

    It is calling for a dialogue with the church leaders and sexual ethics/lget issues, which this blog has requested for a very long time.

    One person made a very good comment. Someone we need in Ireland is a 'Fr James Martin' who can build a bridge between the Church and the lbgt community.

    @9.07 I was sorry to hear of your plight. To have inversted 5 years of your life to something you believe in and have it thrown away must be hard. I hope you get the support you need.

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    1. I have read the article on the Association of Catholic priests and the article from the bishop in Brazil. Homosexuality is a gift from God! I was delighted to hear bishop say that.
      I agree with you. I believe it would be wonderful if in Ireland we had a 'Fr James Martin' to support gay people in the Church.
      I a gay myself.

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  19. Support? You must be joking. Take it from me, there are few creatures deader than a former seminarian.

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    1. ............apart from a former priest

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    2. Actually, no. There are certain (albeit few) obligations an Ordinary has to a Priest that he does not to a Seminarian, even if he has left having received minor orders.

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  20. For all the bitter and spiteful here. Let's sing a nice song


    In every job that must be done
    There is an element of fun
    You find the fun and snap!
    The job's a game
    And every task you undertake
    Becomes a piece of cake
    A lark! A spree! It's very clear to see that
    A Spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
    The medicine go down-wown
    The medicine go down
    Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
    In a most delightful way
    A robin feathering his nest
    Has very little time to rest
    While gathering his bits of twine and twig
    Though quite intent in his pursuit
    He has a merry tune to toot
    He knows a song will move the job along - for
    A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
    The medicine go down-wown
    The medicine go down
    Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
    In a most delightful way

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    1. 18:50 are you on drugs

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    2. @18.50

      I suggest that you acquaint yourself with Copyright laws and check with representation of Sherman bros. re/your extended quotation from their film "Mary Poppins". It is normal etiquette to at least accredit your source.

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    3. 18.50

      It is illegal to plagiarise with giving credit to the writers, Sherman brothers, writers of the musical.

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    4. Sorry, obviously that should read "illegal to plagiarise WITHOUT giving credit to the writers"

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  21. Clarifications:

    Rev.Sean Jones appears in the 2016 class picture. He will be ordained in November.

    AND

    Monsignor Connolly IS IN THE 2017 class picture. the class picture on todays blog has clearly been edited as The monsignor appears at the bottom of the picture with other staff members.

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    1. Gorgeous and Puck will be resurrected and ordained in the month we pray for the dead?

      And if so will cause havoc for years to come :-(

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  22. Get a life 18.50.

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  23. There's now 22 left out of the 39 there in Maynooth excluding the new potential 1st years

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    1. Probably no more than 6 or 7 first years, just like last year.

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    2. Why should it be that the calibre of new priests is measured in terms of the amount of colleagues who never made it to the finishing line.

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    3. It's because of the amount who didn't make it to Ordination (not a finishing line) stupid.

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    4. I meant that there will only be six or seven new first years entering Maynooth in the next few weeks.

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    5. @22.17.
      Stop bullying Sean! You are at it all the time.

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  24. Pat, saw you today at a hotel in Cookstown having tea and deep in conversation with people. What were you up to lol? Where you up to no good I wonder? Maybe there is scandal brewing in Tyrone or South Derry? My friend wanted to say hello but didn't as you were so engrossed in conversation. Let us know if you are going to be in the area again.

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    1. Pouring smoke into Dungannon. Watch them run and coughing .. ...

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    2. My dad spotted you

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  25. @Pat There has been commentary on your blog about Armagh diocese taking out an injunction against a newspaper. Commentators have suggested that it would cost four or five thousand pounds. This is absolute nonsense. An injunction (in the south anyway) against a paper costs 100,000. You must prove that you have c.100,000 to lodge in the High Court to proceed with the injunction. I suspect the diocese did not take out any injunction as the information supplied here regarding an injunction and its cost is wide off the mark. You have been a journalist for long enough to know that the paper would have to be supplied with the actual proof, the editor will then make a judgement call on whether breaking the story would impact negatively on the publication with advertisers etc

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    1. We are dealing with a Belfast Paper not a paper in the South so be quiet you idiot.

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  26. @Pat please do not bore the bejaysus out of us tomorrow by writing a blog on the Assoc of Priests and their new shite release

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    1. Ignorance and prejudice of the worst kind. The association has as much right to be heard as you or I have.

      Let's see it. We can make up our own mind.

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  27. In Maynooth you always got Diaconate on Easter Monday in III Divine. That's if you were going to get it. When did it all change. I seem to remember guys who were refused it saying that they decided they weren't ready and were going to take time out. We always knew it was code for them getting the boot. Anyone who leaves Maynooth after II Divine goes because they know they're not going to get diaconate. Anyone who stays after II Divine wants to be ordained regardless of what anyone says. And anyone who was in Maynooth knows the score.

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    1. Far too much generalisation.

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    2. Some just want to be RE teachers.

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    3. Some already are RE teachers with doctorates in theology.

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  28. He prob talking about the drinking dungannon celibates...or maybe non celibates

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    1. Fr McAleer?

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    2. He's on Grindr

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    3. He sent pictures need to trace back

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    4. I thought that he was a Pioneer in the seminary, though I may be mistaken.

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  29. Is that drinking and grindr
    Very very naughty then
    Hope pat enjoyed his hotel tea
    Which hotel ?

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  30. And yet Traditional Catholic seminaries that teach proper magisterium and Catholicism (shock horror) to young men (average age 25-30) are literally turqnibg men away simply because there is no room to accommodate them. Wonder why that is?????..........

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    1. More Catholic voice propaganda!

      What you describe is the well-known sociological phenomenon of searching for security in a post-modern environment.

      A reactionary solution and an illusory goal.

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    2. In your dreams..

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  31. "In your dreams"?? Well let's look at the drastically:
    Fraternity of St Peter: 20 ordinations to priesthood
    Institute of Christ the King: 6
    And that's just the main two traditional societies. That's bordering on the total amount of seminarians there are in Maynooth......says a lot really.......

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  32. Dear Traditional(ist) Catholic,
    These teach proper magisterium?
    Magisterium is the teaching ministry of the church, not what is taught.

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  33. Was Barry White, IV Divine, ordained for Meath? He was featured a few times in Maynooth promo videos, probably because he looked normal (and was hot, to be fair).

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  34. Are you a priest produced by Maynooth, 08:18? If so, you were not exposed to the teaching ministry. How are you finding Grindr, btw?

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    1. No. I'm an educated Catholic.

      Your second question is impertinent, presumptuous and the product of a defective intuition.

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  35. Irish news and a Sunday world journalist informed me that they are investigating Archdiocese of Armagh story that involves two priests in a relationship and one other that has been using gay dating apps and has a drink problem. Sit back and wait

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  36. They have little to be writing about. None of their business.

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