Wednesday, 30 August 2017

NEOCATS TAKING OVER IN ARMAGH

AMY MARTIN OPENS DANGEROUS SEMINARY IN DUNDALK

I used to think that AMY MARTIN was a silly and immature man - BUT - recently I am beginning to think he might be DANGEROUS!

He has invited a ROMAN CATHOLIC CULT into Armagh Diocese, given them a building, and allowed them to start training right wing priests for Armagh!

The cult is called THE NEOCATECHUMENATE WAY.


Are We Dealing With a Cult?

As many Catholics on Guam know, the Church on Guam is currently in a state of profound crisis.  After much reflection, I have to ask, “Does the Neocatechumenal Way on Guam practice or exhibit any of the classic signs of cults and sects, and if so, which ones?
ReGAIN, an organization whose mission is to reach out to, unite and support those touched or adversely affected by two other problematic Catholic movements, has published the following list of thirteen characteristics of cult-like organizations.  Look through the list, and based on your personal experience or those of your loved ones, count those that apply to the Neocatechumenal Way on Guam.  I count at least ten.  How about you?
  1. The group is focused on a living leader to whom members seem to display excessively zealous, unquestioning commitment. There is an unhealthy cult of personality around the founder of the NCW, Kiko Arguello.
  2. The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.  Is anybody really disputing this?
  3. The group is preoccupied with making money.  Kiko’s “New Aesthetic” is quite a cash cow, as many are now beginning to see.
  4. Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.   Catechumen’s are to listen. Questions are not are either not typically entertained at catechetical sessions.
  5. The leadership dictates -sometimes in great detail- how members should think, act and feel [for example: members must get permission from leaders to date, change jobs, get married; leaders may prescribe what type of clothes to wear, where to live, how to discipline children, and so forth].  There are many anecdotes regarding the excessive control the catechists have. One mother on Guam was told to have her 13-year old son circumcised. Members must ask permission to take off-island vacations. Young men are encouraged to marry “a daughter of Israel” (i.e. a member).
  6. The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leaders and members [for example: the leader is considered the Messiah, or an avatar; the group and/or the leader has a special mission to save humanity].
  7. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society. Some examples: Kiko’s followers do not worship with the rest of the faithful on Guam, and their youth do not travel with Guam’s faithful to World Youth Day.
  8. The group’s leader is not accountable to any authorities [as are, for example, military commanders and ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream denominations].
  9. The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify means that members would have considered unethical before joining the group [for example: collecting money for bogus charities].
  10. The leadership induces feeling of guilt in members in order to control them. Many anecdotes exist in our local community to assert this. Catechists exert incredible pressure on those who wish to leave, suggesting that their salvation is at risk.
  11. Members’ subservience to the group causes them to cut ties with family, friends, and personal group goals and activities that were of interest before joining the group.  Guam’s families have a tight-knit structure, and countless report have come in describing how NCW membership erodes this structure and its obligations.
  12. Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group. Absolutely true. Once active, members no longer have much, if any, time to participate in the events of the wider community.
  13. Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members. There seems to be an attempt to replace Guam’s tight-knit family structure with the NCW community.

THE DUNDALK SEMINARY


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THE NCW: AN INSIDER'S VIEW (From Bosnia and Croatia)


The cheap cowards over at The Diana title their blog "An Insider's View." However, there is a lot that they don't want you to see. We receive quite a few accounts like the one you are about to read. Most of what we are sent, we are asked not to publish, even anonymously, for fear that the account will be recognized by the sender's former community. It's hard for us on the outside to imagine what they could be so afraid of, but, nevertheless, their fears are real and some have suffered severe personal tragedy from the psychological harm endured while in the NCW and the fears they take with them when the try to leave. The sender of the following account agreed to have his account published, albeit anonymously.


FRUITS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT?


I am in contact with a man who needed counseling by the church following his exposure to the Neocatechumenal Way and a Redemptoris Mater Seminary in Bosnia and at another in Croatia. He was told by this church counsellor  that he had experienced verbal, emotional and spiritual abuse at their hands and having read his sworn statement I would add physical abuse to these.

All of his experiences were denied by the NCW national responsible team in the UK and, probably by the European coordinating rector at their London house of formation.

Many of the experiences were witnessed by his fellow seminarians at RMS Bosnia and at a RMS in Croatia and some have subsequently emailed him to establish  what exactly happened and to report that an itinerant catechist  from another country working in the seminary in Bosnia had been made the scapegoat for the events and had suffered some form of breakdown. His fellow seminarians at RMS Bosnia were concerned about the “bad mouthing” that was taking place after the man left the seminary and wanted to establish the truth for themselves.

It appears that many of the RMS rectors around the world originate from the mother house in Rome and adopt the same modus operandi. 

In this man’s case the basic method employed was as follows;

ISOLATION. No mobile phones or internet contact was allowed. Personal phone calls to the seminary phone were discouraged and monitored.

PHYSICAL DURESS. 12 hours hard physical labour every day in cold dangerous conditions.

SLEEP DEPRIVATION.  Billeted in crowded dormitories and cramped cold conditions.

STARVATION RATIONS. This man lost 1/6 of his body weight over a 9 week period.

DESTRUCTION OF SELF ESTEEM. Constant denigration, humiliation and ridicule from the rector and dean.

REINFORCEMENT OF NCW. Banging on about being better formed than diocesan seminarians. Claiming to be the only ones in the church who know about  catechesis, evangelisation, family life etc.

NO PRAYER. This man was alarmed when told not to pray the Rosary or the Divine Office as he hadn’t reached the NCW stage of Initiation to Prayer.

RESTRICTED FREEDOM. Having become convinced that something was not as it should be and not of the Holy Spirit he asked to leave the seminary. His departure was frustrated by personnel in RMS in two countries and he was detained against his will. He was constantly verbally abused during this time. He had to make good his escape against the will of the seminaries.

DEMONIZED.  Upon his return to the UK his catechists made up all sorts of untrue stories to tell his old community why he had left.

These are not the fruits of the NCW that they would want publicized but they are what the Church and the public need to see so that appropriate action can be taken.

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PAT SAYS:

I believe that the Neocat is a cult.

I believe it more so after meeting and talking to some of them.

Why is Amy Martin bring them to Ireland and Armagh.

Is a reaction to GAYNOOTH?

The Neocats are certainly very homophobic.

But can we really replace the promiscuity of Maynooth with a cult?

Brainwashing, splitting up families, making a lot of money out of people's vulnerabilities to me is far worse than being on Grindr or having gay sex.

If Amy succeeds parishes in Armagh and beyond will be filled with these "crazies". 

Ushering in Catholic robots is not the answer to the Church's crises.

We need to have optional celibacy and women priests.

These Neocats will make the Irish Catholic Church a big cult.

I am worried about all the men and women that will be sucked in by their claims and ideas.

I thought that Amy was just a laugh.

Now he is turning out to be a danger!

72 comments:

  1. I would like to think that I am a balanced and mature, practising lay Catholic (-certainly mature in years!) and am faithful to Sunday Mass and really value daily prayer which nourishes the soul. But I find the Neocat movement very worrying indeed and do agree that it has many of the characteristics of a dangerous cult. For that reason, I am not in the least attracted to it and think it could cause much psychological damage especially to the types of perhaps more vulnerable people who would seek its solace in the first place. Therein I think lies much of the danger. A person say with a problem such as an addiction would initially experience a feeling of "being rescued" and be comforted and relieved but would then be encouraged into an unhealthy dependency within the group - called "The Way". There is great intrusion on personal privacy and on free will in your daily life, with perfectly innocent activities such as music or reading or spending time visiting your family eventually being heavily frowned upon as "distractions" or what they could call "idols". There is also an unacceptable pressure to accept a marriage partner judged to be best for you with no respect for the dignity of personal choice, including the choice of some to remain single without coercion. One of the most serious of its abuses is that in essence it disregards the right of a penitent to privacy in the Sacrament of Reconciliation and structures are set up within its system to pressurise penitents into forms of public confession. These spectator-sport confessions are called "scrutinies". Many of those vulnerable people attracted to "The Way" as I said are often those who are already seeking an answer to their loneliness or their mental stress and they will find further loss of self-esteem results instead.
    I agree that the Church in many respects needs renewal but I cannot emphasise enough that Neocats is NOT the answer.
    If you follow the precepts of your Faith to the best of your ability you have the means to holiness without it. You should not be lured into a skewed, distorted and unbalanced caricature of that Faith.
    ..... Cecily.

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  2. Pat. The NC's have received a bit of a slap if not a severe belt of the crozier here in our diocese. Our bishop Michael Campbell has more or less told them their place and to wind their necks in.

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    1. I hope Bishop Martin and others in authority read Cecily's post above. Spot on I'd say...

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  3. Ok Pat, stop calling them a Roman Catholic cult. Just call them what they are, a bunch if heretical nutters. I am a Catholic of the Roman rite, so don't bunch them tools in with me. I have come across them before, way too dangerous. The Mass they offer is as not good.

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  4. I think it was wounded healer who allowed them in to Dundalk.

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    1. More trouble from The Wounded Healer - and in Dundalk all again.

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    2. Pat when you cease name calling of Cardinal Brady, you might have more credibility. Responding to serious debate by constant reference to tbose who have failed is counter priproductive. You should stay on the relevant points. You deliberately introduce irrelevancies to push your own narrow agenda. No wise, intelligent Catholic Priest or Bishop needs your lectures in light of your own personal failures and sinfulness. All of us require and need God's mercy - if we are honest in our own conscience..

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  5. No research Pat. Go and meet them in Dundalk as they are a very grounded bunch of lads from many countries. Cardinal Brady allowed them to set up here and once ordained they would serve the diocese for a number of years before returning to their own countries.
    You show scant regard for rules of journalism or what's morally right. You seem to be just a message board for rumour. Come on Pat you don't have to post everyday just for the sake of it. Do some solid research.

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    1. They are not grounded. Their Mass, if you can call it Mass, is a complete mess and mockery.

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    2. 'Cardinal Brady allowed them to set up here...'? As if geographical territory were his personal fiefdom.

      This speaks of the monumental arrogance of Roman Catholc clerics, since Brady is not the only priest to think in this high-handed way.

      Ireland would be well-rid of them all.

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    3. Correction..'He invited them'. All the so called Christians, followers of Christ, on this blog are anything but. A proper reflection of Christ's teachings and living them might serve you well before you meet Him. You too Pat.

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  6. I attended a seminary where there were several Neo-Cats. They lived in their own community for philosophy studies and lived in seminary for theology. We were all educated in theology at the local Jesuit run school of theology.

    The Neo-cats were disciplined gents, with great reserve, strength and character. Their dedication was unquestionable and they also know how to have fun. The presence of a strong South American influence also resulted in several of them giving me great soccer coaching during our regular Saturday morning community games.

    Neo-Cats added the masculine element to seminary and were a great example to the diocesan students. For the first time ever I think Amy might have stumbled upon a good decision.

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    1. Added masculinity? How about disorder and disobedience. They corrupt the Mass, therefore they corrupt the message of Christ. They are a heretical cult at best with practises that are not sacramental.

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    2. So you have to be a Neocat to be a "disciplined gent" and to be perceived as "masculine"?!!! You have to be a Neocat in order to practise your Faith properly?!! Is that what the implication is in some of the posts above?
      What planet are these people on!
      How on earth have we managed since St Patrick's time in the 5th century?
      As Cecily said in her post earlier today, all these attributes and qualities are perfectly obtainable if you are doing your best to practise your own Faith properly.
      No need for caricatures and gimmicks.

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    3. To poster 10.33
      So you were very impressed because the Neocats in your seminary were "disciplined" and had "great character"?
      But there was absolutely no reason why you couldn't have exactly the same qualities as a non-Neocat--no reason whatsoever. And for all I know you probably did and why not?. I think that's the important thing - - that you certainly don't need to take on the cult membership to be an excellent student and a good citizen.

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    4. @11.33 Neo-Cat priests says the dame public mass as any other Diocesian priest.

      @12.03. Calm down and re-read my post for what it says. I did not say you have to be a Neo-Cat to be disciplined and masculine. I said the Neo-Cats I met were disciplined and masculine. Far too many seminarians are ill-disciplined pansies (not all but some). Never did I meet an ill-disciplined pansy Neo-Cat. Some regular seminarians are well disciplined & masculine too.

      @12.43. I agree with your point. I too would think I was disciplined and masculine. Perhaps that is why I got on with the Neo-Cats.

      Summary, you don't need to be Neo-Cat to be disciplined, but the Neo-Cats I know and trained with are disciplined - and not deserving out outright mass rejection. Sure wasn't Jesus a leader of a Jewish cult; he and his followers too were rejected en mass. Let us not repeat history my friends.

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    5. @18.37.

      I understand your anxiety not to be misunderstood and that's fair enough but I am not happy with your analogy stating that "Jesus was a leader of a Jewish cult" and accusing us of repeating history because we are not willing to equate the Neocats with the fledgling Church under Jesus' leadership. Believe me there is a HUGE difference. So rest assured,we are the ones who are repeating history.

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  7. Morning Pat. Firstly don't agree with all Arch E Martin does, but fully respect the massive task he has in only trying to reform the Catholic Church in Ireland, wouldn't envy his job but surely give the man a chance!
    Secondly don't always agree with everything that you do Bishop Pat, but respect you and find it utterly shameful for a Priest/ Bishop to mock and scorn any other person!
    Is it a Christian deed to make mockery of Eamonn Martin's name and fun of his mother the way you do???

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    1. Amy is the one who brings his Mammy into everything - bit like Daniel O'Donnell.

      Imagine a grown man tweeting about taking his Mammys advice on how to wash his pallium?

      As for Amy being a serious reformer. That's like thinking of Mrs Brown as secretary general of the UN.

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    2. Bishop Pat... What's the issue with bringing his mother into everything?
      God rest my mother, I only wish I had her to be part of all I do.

      It's called 'respect' Bishop Pat, something you lack greatly, sadly!

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    3. Pat at 11.50. Again, you display an ignorant disrespect for Archbishop E. Martin. His mother, I'm sure, like your mother, would be saddened at the caricatures attributed to him by you. Although, his mother can be very proud of her son. Your mother, on the other hand, must have shifted her grave many times in the knowledge of your contempt for - and hatred for priests. Where, tell me Pat, are the signs and evidence of your enlightening reform? Over all your years of griping from the sidelines and from the mighty, ecclesiastical glory of Larne (???), you have NOTHING worthwhile to show. NOTHING.

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  8. Mrs Brown would be a good secretary. Like Fr Ted the character has depth beyond the frivolity. I've never heard of these Neocats. They do sound dangerous based on the above. I'm surprised media has not picked up on them or has it. One extreme will not cure it's direct opposite

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    1. If you've never heard of them what qualifies you to pass judgement on them. Spare me please who come on this blog and talk total crap.

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  9. 12.42 What qualifies you to have a go at me and use the content as an excuse. Please come out from behind the Anonymous mask and deal with possible underlying issues. Pat's blog is not a boxing ring or dirty washing line

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  10. 12.42
    And what qualifies u to judge Sean.He is basing his opinion on what he has read above....and it's his opinion.
    Mind your language.

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    1. Where you ever told you idiot never to believe all you read. Oh dear, sorry I forgot to mind my language.

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    2. This sounds like Magna Mark 2

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    3. Magna Mark II? Seriously?

      Magna Carta cannot be improved upon. (Duh!)

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  11. 12.42 Sean has not passed judgement.

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    1. By opening his trap you will find he has passed judgement. 'They do sound dangerous', I'm sure from your limited intellect that you will know this was passing judgement.

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    2. 16.02 sound dangerous...based on the above is an opinion. Get over your fixation of picking on me. I am outside your jurisdiction thankfully

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  12. Ta for the support folks I believe underlying issues of individuals may hamper genuine progress in many church related problems. The church by it's nature may add to the problem but I believe the starting point has to be individuals having the courage to get their own house in order first.

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  13. I do not envy Archbishop Martin, as I am sure none of you do. He has a very difficult and challenging job ahead of him as do all the Irish Bishops in reforming the local church and making it relevant to the lives of all Irish. This is the same challenge facing much of the Western World.

    Personally I have never had any dealings with the NCW but personally I see no problem in giving them a chance. To me it is much like two other groups which I have had some dealings with who often gain negative criticism and all sorts of horror stories, namely Legion of Christ and Opus Dei. The Legion have done a lot of great work, and the priests and laity from them who I have met have been nothing but great, holy, and good living men and women of faith. Sadly their founder like many people had done some horrendous things both immoral and illegal. However that does not mean the group itself is bad nor that they should all be viewed with suspicion.

    My personal dealings with Opus Dei have been numerous from attending annual retreats for Seminarians when I was in the National Seminary back home, as well as serving mass for the feast of St Josemaria each year, weekly confession with an Opus Dei priest and guidance, as well as attending talks by the previous prelate, and spiritual direction from a priest of Opus Dei when I left the seminary. And several friends lived in the study centre ran by Opus Dei. I have nothing but good things to say about Opus Dei despite the many terrible stories said about them, some of which I agree are terrible and most probably true. However all I encountered in their priests, numeraries, and supernumeraries was good friendship, wise counsel, holiness, strength of character, and compassion. By far the priests of Opus Dei were the kindest confessors I have ever come across and with the easiest of penances I have ever encountered.

    What I am trying to say is give them a go, don't believe all the horror stories and make your judgment based solely on them. Otherwise we would all leave The Church; we would never trust priests; we would never trust a bishop; we would believe all women and male religious are children abusers; all husbands are unfaithful; all protestants want to kill catholics and so on. Why because a few bad apples in those groups have done things.

    May God Bless the work on the NCW and may they be instruments of God's grace in Northern Ireland. And simply put if you don't like them, then go down to the next parish, just the same as if you don't like the service at one pub go to the next.

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    1. To Kieran @ 16.36

      Thank you for, Kieran and for your openminded sincerity.
      I agree completely with your assessment of the often misunderstood organisation, Opus Dei. But I feel in conscience born to warn you(and others) that NCW is quite something else. There is an outward and preliminary veneer of something attractive and praiseworthy which seems all fine and nothing to worry about - in the initial stages. But there is a lot more to it than that and many problems have been caused particularly to persons who were unaware that NCW would be so intrusive in their lives and the loss of confidence and self-esteem which was an insidious side effect. There was also an expectation that after you were a member for a certain length of time you would take part in some things that I found very distasteful. At that stage, it becomes more and more difficult to withstand coercion.
      As I said, it's not Opus Dei.

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    2. @ 16.36
      "..if you don't like them, go down to the next parish."
      So that is your solution?!
      I cannot believe the nerve and cheek of someone to say that!!
      Pardon me if I, as an elderly non - driver, object to being put in the position where I feel driven out of the parish which I have supported in every way for years. I am shocked at how thoughtless you are and I'm sure you are not alone in your viewpoint.

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  14. A number of Priests in Dublin are very supportive of the Neocatechumenal Way. The Parish Priest of East Wall is very involved in it and often speaks well about it in his sermons. It sounds ok.

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    1. I wonder if the "supportive" priests in Dublin have experienced NCW firsthand before they advised others to do so. If not, I suggest that they do.

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  15. The Neo-catechumenal Way has all the characteristics of a sinister sect. Whatever benefits it is claimed to possess, these are far outweighed by its mind-numbing conformity to the diktats of its cult guru, Kiko Arguello. The movement has a legalism which would be the envy of the Scribes and Pharisees. It is a parasite which attaches itself to the body of the Church. I was a member for ten years. Glad I found the guts to get out.
    Ex-priest, now agnostic, England.

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    1. @,17.53

      Sadly your experiences have made such a dreadful impact on your life. Many others too feel that they are permanently damaged.
      You were damaged. I can tell that as now you sign yourself "agnostic". I hope that in time you will regain your original Faith and trust in God and in genuinely good people. If you can manage to do that, then you will have proved in your triumph that NCW has not damaged you irrevocably.Please think about it... I hope in time you get over your negative experiences.

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    2. MournemanMichael31 August 2017 at 22:48

      I make an assumption anon@18:59 that you are a cleric. I suggest you do not make assumptions that ex seminarians are damaged or have had experiences with a dreadful impact.
      My own were very positive and I believe have had a very formative effect in shaping my strong social and ethical beliefs.
      I eventually came to the decision that I could no longer go forward to ordination to promote religious teaching I found I had difficulty believing in. My spiritual director was supportive and very helpful with practicalities.
      Many current clerics may use your terminology to say 'leavers' are failures, or were rejected, perhaps from a rather self satisfied 'holier than thou ' smugness.
      In the 50+ years since I opted out I've discussed our experiences with several other ex seminarians. I have found a general consensus that we've mostly moved on from cradle Catholic childhood beliefs and looking back, have very little regret.
      MMM

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    3. MMM.. You made several "assumptions". They are all wrong. Every one.

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    4. MMM You had one experience of seminary life. The poster at 17.53 had a completely different experience. Please allow for that before you try to shoe - horn him into a direct comparison and match for your experience. The poster who replied to him was empathetic in a very powerful way. He was entitled to his sympathetic opinion that a person who had once been a fervent priest and had now no discernable relationship with God ('agnostic')had been damaged. I believe that opinion was valid as our relationship with God is the most precious thing we have. You have another view on the matter. But then you have no Faith either I think you once said..

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    5. Thank you both, Anons @ 00:10, and 00:30.
      You are both correct, and I apologise. On reflection, my comment relating to the ex priest, now agnostic, was sparked off by his words, "I'm glad I had the guts to get out". In saying that, he made no reference to seminary experience. However words sparked off a "bee that had been droning around my bonnet" as a result of previously picking up blog references to "failed or rejected seminarians". (eg Anon @ 15:42 on 30/8).
      So my comment was more a riposte to the perceptions of commentators who have referred to ex seminarians as "failed" or "rejected", and was, in context, a misguided attempt to point out that many ex seminarians who made conscious personal choices to leave took a massive leap into the unknown requiring, (in the words of the original "priest, now agnostic") guts to get out.
      So you are both correct to point out my innapropriate assumptions, and again, my apologies.
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    6. No problem MMM! Always nice to hear from you..

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  16. Hi all. Sorry for the random post but I rang Maynooth yesterday and asked if i could know the name of their data protection officer so I could assess what they still have on file for me. I was transferred by the theology office to an unnamed lady who refused to tell me who the relevant officer is and who then hung up the phone. Mullaney has been ignoring my communications for weeks now.

    We are entitled to access our data and once a request is made they have 40 days to comply.

    I am asking that all past students of Maynooth send in data access requests. Can I ask that we all write a request over the coming weekend and flood the college with requests please.

    Maynooth should obey civil law.

    CR

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    1. Can you not report them to the data commissioner?

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    2. I'm on that too. Data commissioner said to offer a complimentary 14 day grace period afterwich he will intervene.

      But I think it should be public that Mullaney, a canon layer no less, flouts the law.

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    3. Wonder what's on file 'bout me.

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    4. Dear CR that is very interesting. In the age of supposed openness and transparency it is interesting that you got such a hostile response from maynooth. Under law you may request in writing that any information being kept on you be released to you. Maynooth send reports to seminary students bishops every year, but never allow the subjects of the reports ie the students to see them. This is illegal under current data protection laws. But maynooth, perhaps, may still only recognise Canon law. You raise an excellent point and suggestion.

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  17. MourneManMichael31 August 2017 at 19:37

    Thank you for having the guts to give an insider's view. While some may criticise your movement from serving as a priest to agnosticism, regardless of that, your first hand knowledge of the cult carries more weight than external observers commenting.
    MMM

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  18. CR
    I'm not an ex seminarian, but good that you posted that here.
    I do hope you all can access your data or at the very least get a civil response to your enquiry.
    Keep us updated.

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    1. Is it the case, maybe, that freedom of information laws apply only to publically funded bodies and not to private institutions such as the seminary in Maynooth?

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    2. Freedom of information is for state organisations and data protection applied to all bodies

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  19. What in under god is this neo cat stuff
    Are us catholic laity going to be subjected to strange goings on ?
    Most normal people never tolerated that Opus Dei carry on either
    Pat keep us updated please.

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  20. Why did the wounded healer allow those people in ?
    Did they need his permission
    Could they not have come in without his permission.
    And what is youth ministries ? That are springing up here and there
    Are these another way of catching our young teens at an opportune time in their lives ????
    Please investigate their goings on too, Pat
    Btw Dundalk is not in the north as a poster typed.

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  21. A Neo Cat Spanish Student studying in an English Seminary took his own life back around the Year 2000. It was desperately sad.

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    1. See the post at 2.47 at the top today re/affect of Neocat membership on vulnerable people. This is exactly what she told us at dawn this morning...

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    2. I'm truly sorry : the question mark at the conclusion of my previous comment was unintended: a 'typo'.

      May God heve mercy on him.

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  22. It all helps to empty the pews Good Man Amy for that's what you are and poor one at that. NEO CATS & DOG COLLARS NEXT I SUPPOSE

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    1. Big Hank @ 22.52: Fri - such an illiterate reply and comment. Gramatically incorrect and a most inane comment.

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  23. Who owns this building that has been given to the n/ cats?
    Does the laity pay for its upkeep ?
    Were they asked if they minded a cult group coming to live in it?
    Who actually makes these decisions ?

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  24. Does anyone know why a young priest/ seminarian/ or deacon would be out in public in a long black soutane plus clerical collar .?
    Thought it unusual...not the collar part.
    Having tea/ or lunch in a cafe/ restaurant in Armagh dioceses
    Maybe he was one of those neocats.

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    1. Don't know why the seminarian was dressed like that. You didn't think to ask him?

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    2. Cos it's his uniform, in the way that many lay people wear uniform. Also a witness and example and I've been told by many seminarians and priests that strangers have approached them because they were so attired. Why would it annoy anyone. I wouldn't fly into a

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    3. It's not his uniform. A collar and me shirt would be sufficient for the effect you describe.

      The routine goes too far and is an outward sign of hiding behind clericalism.

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  25. The only thing priests should be dressed in is Christ's love, not pointless, clerical garb.

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    1. Pity Magna you don't practice your advice for Priests: if only you were dressed in Christ's love - if only - imagine how nice and decent a person you might be. I know such attributes are foreign to you. Practice what you preach, you malcontent and buffoon.

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  26. 23:01- A most modest and humble guy, recently ordained from Armagh.
    If all Priest's had the Faith that Michael Donnelly has we'd be on a winner.
    Pat should have a chat with him on the subject's of respect for himself and towards other's.

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  27. It was in craigavon shopping center,
    In the que at no 7, with some women , prob his family.
    It just looked strange theses days, obv he was young, as the priests I know dress in mufti when out.

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