Sunday, 24 September 2017

WAS GIRL SNATCHED BY THE VATICAN?



Girl ‘snatched by Vatican and held in London’
Tom Kington, Rome
September 19 2017, 12:01am, The Times



A poster on the streets of Rome after Emanuela Orlandi, 15, the daughter of a Vatican employee, went missing in 1983

Leaked Vatican documents show that a teenage girl allegedly kidnapped from a Rome street in 1983 was secretly taken by the Vatican to London and held there for years, the girl’s brother has claimed.

Emanuela Orlandi, the daughter of a Vatican employee, went missing aged 15. Her disappearance led to theories that she was snatched by the mafia in an attempt to blackmail the Vatican, or by terrorists seeking the release of Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turk jailed for trying to assassinate John Paul II.

Her suspected kidnapping has now been linked to the Vatican itself after the publication of an alleged Holy See document listing Vatican payments of about €250,000 relating to her case, including medical bills and accommodation in London. “This document suggests the Vatican took Emanuela to London and looked after her for a long period of time,” said Emanuela’s brother, Pietro, who has lobbied Pope Francis for help in finding the truth.

The 1998 list of expenses begins in 1983, the year that Emanuela went missing while on the way to her parents’ house inside the Vatican from a music lesson, and ends in 1997. “If she died then and the document is real the Vatican needs to answer questions about kidnapping and hiding a body,” Mr Orlandi said.

The five-page document, published in a book by Emiliano Fittipaldi, an Italian journalist, was dismissed as “false and ridiculous” by a Vatican spokesman. Titled “A summary of spending” on Emanuela Orlandi, the document lists payments between 1983 and 1985 to a London address that appears to correspond to a women’s hostel run by the Scalabrini Fathers, a missionary group, on Clapham Road in south London. Numerous visits to London by Vatican officials are listed, as well as the involvement of “Commando 1”. This was possibly a Vatican secret service unit, Mr Fittipaldi suggested.

Between 1988 and 1993, the document shows fees apparently being paid to St Mary’s Hospital in Paddington and to Lesley Regan, who was appointed senior lecturer in obstetrics and gynaecology there in 1990. Professor Regan did not return calls for comment.

A visit to London by Renato Buzzonetti, a doctor who served four popes including Benedict XVI and died in January, is also listed.

If the Vatican was funding Emanuela’s stay in London the document does not explain why she was there, or whether she was there against her will.

The alleged author of the document, Cardinal Lorenzo Antonetti, who was then head of the Vatican’s property office, is now dead. One of the alleged recipients, Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, told Italian media yesterday that he had never received it.

Mr Fittipaldi claimed that the five pages, given to him by a source, were part of a stash of secret documents stolen from a Vatican office in 2014 and then returned anonymously.

He said that if the pages were an elaborate fake they could have been invented to hurt the reputation of Vatican officials, a throwback to the era of the Vatican “crows” — anonymous officials who allegedly leaked damaging documents to undermine their rivals during the Benedict papacy.

Laura Sgrò, a lawyer representing the Orlandi family, said: “If it’s real it’s very serious. If it’s fake we want to know what the document was doing in a safe at the Vatican all these years.”


Mr Orlandi said: “I consider the document reliable and we now need to investigate in London.”




Emanuela Orlandi 'was kidnapped for sex parties for Vatican police'

A teenage girl whose disappearance in Rome has remained a mystery for 30 years was kidnapped for sex parties by a gang involving Vatican police and foreign diplomats, the Roman Catholic Church's leading exorcist has claimed.

By Nick Squires, Rome

Father Gabriele Amorth, who was appointed by the late John Paul II as the Vatican's chief exorcist and claims to have performed thousands of exorcisms, said Emanuela Orlandi was later murdered and her body disposed of.




In the latest twist in one of the Holy See's most enduring mysteries, he said the 15-year-old schoolgirl was snatched from the streets of central Rome in the summer of 1983 and forced to take part in sex parties.

"This was a crime with a sexual motive. Parties were organised, with a Vatican gendarme acting as the 'recruiter' of the girls.

"The network involved diplomatic personnel from a foreign embassy to the Holy See. I believe Emanuela ended up a victim of this circle," Father Amorth, the honorary president of the International Association of Exorcists, told La Stampa newspaper.

The debate over who kidnapped Emanuela and what became of her has raged in Italy for three decades.

It has been suggested that she was taken by the leader of a notorious gang of criminals, who wanted to put pressure on Vatican officials to recover money that he had allegedly lent them.
Another theory is that she was abducted to be used as a bargaining chip for the release from prison of Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turkish gunman who tried to kill John Paul II in St Peter's Square in 1981, reportedly on the orders of the KGB.

But Father Amorth, 85, dismissed the "international dimension", saying that a Vatican archivist had also come to the conclusion that Emanuela was abducted for sexual exploitation.

A controversial and outspoken priest, Father Amorth has claimed that yoga is Satanic because it leads to a worship of Hinduism and that the Harry Potter books are dangerous because they encourage children to believe in black magic and wizardry.

Earlier this month investigators opened the tomb of Enrico "Renatino" De Pedis, the gang leader, in order to check long-standing claims that the remains of the teenager were buried alongside him.

They found his remains inside the tomb in the Sant' Apollinare basilica in Rome and also, intriguingly, other bones in a crypt nearby.

Investigators said the unidentified bones probably dated from the early 19th century, but they are being analysed by forensic experts to see if any of them might belong to Emanuela.


In 2005, an anonymous caller to a crime programme on Italian TV claimed that the key to the schoolgirl's kidnap lay in the tomb of the mobster, who was gunned down by rival gangsters in 1990.


PAT SAYS:

I was sent this story the other day by one of the Westminster priests who keeps in touch with me.

He himself said:

"Pat, I thought you may be interested in this. I had heard of this first during one of my visits to Rome. 

I think the most rational explanation was that the girl was pregnant and shifted to London to have her baby, and was cared for into adulthood.

Where she is now, no one knows. Was her identity changed to protect the father of the child? 


Who was the father of the child (if indeed she were pregnant) that the Popes own doctor would visit London for no ostensible reason"?

In any event it a very sad story.

Anyone who knows the truth is morally obliged to reveal it.

I hope the girl is alive and not dead.

I think her family deserve the truth.

Is this one of the VATICAN DISAPPEARED?

42 comments:

  1. Pat, your positivity didn't last very long. Your comment "Is this one of the Vatican disappeared" is vile. what shred of evidence can you point to to compare the disappeared of NI with any such case in the Vatican. It is patent nonsense. Once again you pathological hatred of the Church that cast you out is colouring your thinking.

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  2. As the reports say, the disappearance of the girl was "a mystery". But since Nature seems to abhor a vacuum --even in the realm of news --this kind of story will always result in wild speculation and more and more creative guessing as the day progresses..

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  3. The Vatican's own exorcist believed that bad things happened there.

    Hardly speculation from the KGB or the Free Presbyterians.

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    1. No.. no.. I wasn't thinking at all of KGB or Free Presbyterians. I am sorry to say that the worst of the wild speculations will come from a little closer to home...

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    2. Bishop P., Fr Amorth sounds a total crackpot. Yoga satanic? Harry Potter books encourage children to believe in 'black magic' and 'wizardy'.

      This priest lives in a twilight world of paranoid fantasy.

      How did Nick Squires describe him? 'Controversial and outspoken'. Which is code for '"loopy" loose cannon'.

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    3. Mags at 15.23: A perfect description of yourself..."loopy" - loose cannon! Perfect and you too live in " a twilight world". Occasionally you step out and mesmerise us all with your wizardy!!

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    4. Fr Amorth died over a year ago, aged 90.

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    5. Are you now saying that Pat is "Loopy"

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    6. So you agree that he was a 'loopy' loose cannon, 15:47?

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    7. 16:17, thanks for that info.

      Despite the above report, Amorth was never the Vatican's chief exorcist; this was media fiction.

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  4. Well, well, well....Goodbye Fr. Edward. Thanks for your story of inspirational courage, humanity and goodness. We knew you'd be just a one day wonder, a footnote. Sadly, today we're back to the usual diet of speculation, conspiracy theories, implied judgment of a "bad" nasty Vatican. It's the real Pat back today. Yesterday was just a short break from the predictable....

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    1. 11.55 What exactly is your problem? It's not for you to dictate what topic or subject Pat covers on his own blog. If it's not pious enough for you then there are plenty of right wing blogs for you to go and read, I suggest you go there. Many like and enjoy the varied material Pat discusses, some serious, some not so serious and some that are quite funny. Sometimes it's good never to take life too seriously all of the time.

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    2. 20.28 ....And sometimes it's a good idea to just mind your own business and ....appropriate to be truthful, merciful, understanding and kind....not always found here, sadly. You obviously prefer gossip...

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  5. 11.55
    Yes,..sadly, it seems you're right. Such a pity!

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    1. This is not a blog of the Legion of Mary or the Blue Army.

      It is happy to both blow kisses and bare it's teeth!

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    2. A Kiss from you would be the kiss of death!

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    3. Well I hope I never have to kiss a frog like you :-)

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    4. You are definitely right Pat. This isn't a Legion of Mary blog! They have too much self respect and dignity not to subject themselves to so much nasty nonsense and idle gossip. They're too busy doing good for others. God bless their genuine commitment to upholding and living true Catholic Values and Truths.

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    5. Is shining light into dark places not good also?

      Of course those who reside in those dark places do not like it.

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    6. I had the Legion of Mary visit my home, I never met such a bunch of weirdos and fruit cakes. I know Mary is the Mother of God but I didn't need it rammed down my throat.

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    7. I'd never heard of the Blue Army until today. A play on the Red Army? Stalin famously asked, using military language' "how many divisions has the Pope?"

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    8. There were only two of us - - hardly a "bunch". We are both perfectly sane..

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  6. Maybe a visit from the Vatican Exorcist might help you Pat??
    Or better still the Vatican International Snatch Squad. Ha Ha Ha!!

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    1. The only thing that has saved me from that is that we live in the 21st century and not the 16th or 17th.

      In the past they have threatened me and I did not shudder.

      They have tried to bribe me and I did not accept.

      At this stage they are hoping for news of my demise :-)

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    2. You got a house out of it though?

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    3. And like Oscar Wilde, news of your "demise is greatly exaggerated!"

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    4. 15:48 Yes in line with my moral and legal rights.

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  7. Why isn't this a police matter, both here in London and in Rome?

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    1. Italy has no authority over the Vatican although the kidnapping happened there.

      I imagine London should look at the false imprisonment though.

      And their is the fear of murder.

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    2. Didn't the report state that the poor girl was 'kidnapped' in a 'Rome' street? This implies that the crime (if indeed there was one) happened outside Vatican State territory. Would it not, therefore, fall under Roman jurisdiction?

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  8. It just gets stranger and stranger..Apart from airing issues on here that many hope will go away I now ask myself what realistic positive outcome will the scribing that many have done over the years lead to? I suppose we could cite Maynooth issue as one positive outcome of a sort.Any more.....

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    1. There was Maynooth.

      There were the cases of Coyle, McCamley, Dallat, Gorgeous etc.

      A lot has come out really.

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  9. Clogher changes out......yawn!!!

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    1. Why is Fr Ian Fee CC, Bundoran-Ballyshannon (Magh Ene), Co Donegal, taking leave of absence from the diocese of Clogher? It's not a sabbatical.

      And why are La Flynn (small man syndrome and heir presumptive to Clogher) and Owen Joe McEneaney swapping places as Prior of Lough Derg. Prior to Francis, the Prior of Lough Derg was made a Monsignor. Poor Owen Joe is too young (the age limit is 65 unless you work in the Roman Curia or the Holy See diplomatic service, who still get it irrespective of age).

      Wee La, on the other hand is 67, so he'll get the purple. He'll be delighted.

      A few memories of La from my time working alongside him on Lough Derg. He was totally up himself; he bought hideous brown pottery bowls for Holy Communion, which resembled breakfast bowls, even though the sacristy safe was full of ciboria; and he used to sing the Eucharistic Prayer the whole way through even though they were concelebrants. The concelebrants just stood there mute, ornamenting the sanctuary. They were ragin'.

      PS why is La dressed like a Methodist minister?

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  10. Thank you for covering this sad tale,  Bishop Pat, and it seems there is more to the "kidnapping" of this young girl that meets the eye. The Vatican has dismissed the report as a fake, and yet "Commander 1" was the code used inside the Vatican for Camilo Ciban, the now dead head of Vatican security. "Commander 2" was his deputy Domenico Gianni, who now heads the Vatican security and is the Pope's bodyguard. Like the strange death of Pope John Paul I (39 years ago this week), the hanging of Roberto Calvi under Blackfrairs Bridge, the deaths of Swiss Guard Commandant Estermann and his wife by the young Swiss Guard, all of these unexplained deaths raise more questions than that answer. The man who can answer them, or at least get to the truth once and for all, is Pope Francis. Will he do it? Think of the intentional sensation if he was to declare at an Angelus address some Sunday, for example, that the death of his beloved and short -lived predecessor was due to foul play? To be sure there would be many that would be scandalised and shocked, but the truth would be served and the centuries long practice of the Vatican "washing its dirty linen in secret" would be halted, and a new beginning could be upon us. I don't hold out too much hope, but hope springs eternal! 

    A friend on the Inside.

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    1. Thank you for that excellent view from the inside.

      Sadly nearly everything we hear about the Vatican makes it seem a nearly total corruption.

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    2. "A friend on the Inside"? Oi right. My ass. Do you think we came up the river in a bubble? Another fantasist/conspiracy theorist more like!

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    3. You don't know who he is.

      In fact you could never imagine.

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  11. The *most* simple explanation is that in common with many other people she ran away and didn't go.back.
    It got mixed up with the God's banker conspiracy theory current at the time and has since been claimed for every Vatican-related conspiracy going.

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  12. La Flynn definitely has small man syndrome......full of his own importance. Imagine having to work with him!!!

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    1. La Flynn, Clogher's very own singing priest is a bombastic jobsworth, a friend of Joe Duffy, nuff said, and totally full of his own importance. He'll be intolerable as Prior of Lough Derg.

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  13. Wonersh. Investigate Fr Mark Higgins!

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