Wednesday, 20 September 2017

WESTMINSTER DIOCESE


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Some time ago I met a Westminster parish priest who had been to see the late Cardinal Hume to tell him that he was gay and that his partner was living with him in the parish presbytery.

The two men took afternoon tea together and Basil Hume then left the priest to the door.

As the priest was about to leave Basil squeezed his arm and said: "You will be discreet Father, will you not"?

Basil had no problem with the priest's orientation or living arrangements but was concerned that if the priest were not discreet it would cause publicity and scandal. 


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Westminster diocese has 603 diocesan and religious priests to cover it's 217 parishes. 

10% of the people who live in that dioceses are Catholic.

A large number of those priests are gay. Some are celibate and some are not. There are many active gay priests. And of course, London is a wonderful place to be gay - with all its gay pubs, clubs and saunas.

Many of these gay priests are good priests. They say their prayers and serve their people well.

Many Westminister parishioners know their priest is gay and have no problem with that. London is a liberal place.

A Westminster priest told me this week:

"Pat I am very sorry to have to say that some of my diocesan colleagues are wicked, bitchy old queens who spend their time talking about other priests and trying to bring them down".

He also said:

"Some of those wicked, bitchy old queens stay up until midnight to read your Blog in case they get a mention. They really hate your guts. They would cut your throat if they could. In Westminster we call them the "Gin Queens".

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I know my priest friend is right as I have heard some horror stories from priests who have been victims of this queeny cabal.

Even Cardinal Nichols has waved a reprimanding finger at them when he has seen them in a huddle in a corner.

I have possession of unbelievable nasty emails they have sent out about their fellow priests. I have heard of how they report priests who are not part of their club to various church authorities. 

I have also been told of "strange goings on" in the London seminary - Allen Hall - known among priests as "Alice Hall".

There are some excellent and good priests in Westminister as there are in all dioceses.

But unfortunately, you also get various types of "gangs" in all dioceses too - and of course even in the Curia at the Vatican.

I am building up a fairly comprehensive picture of the Westminster scene and will tell readers more about the situation there in the near future.

bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

152 comments:

  1. We don't care about Westminster. Something more interesting might come along anyway...

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      Westminster is wild. Try Fr Xxxxx Xxxxxx, He was warned by the British Transport Police to stop cottaging in the gents at Charing Cross station. Basil Hume did 

      Another cathedral priest of that era, who died of the drink, was shipped out to Porstmouth diocese. 

      Another Westminster priest, who self-styled himself an exorcist, was despatched up the M1, where he's now c/o bishop's house in his host diocese.

      Fr Xxxxx Xxxxxx often went shopping with his boyfriend at Safeway in xxxxxxxx, but that was in his days. He's now an Episcopal Vicar in Westminster.

      Basil's long serving Private Secretary/driver Mgr James Curry is the Episcopal Vicar for the posh bits of Westminster. He'll do well.

      And for now, a transitional deacon of Down and Connor went to Westminster cathedral for the summer. Not the marrying kind. He incardinated into Westminster, was ordained a priest and disappeared!

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    2. Last paragraph - Paddy O'Rourke - has disappeared without trace - originally from Belfast diocese but was ordained for Westminster. I think there was a bit of a kerfufle in Gaynooth too when he was there.

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    3. It begs the question why Mgr Jim Curry has been passed over so many times for a Bishophric? Vin as a sop to him made him an Episcopal Vicar, a non entity and useless fancy title. Westminster Priests know the real reason nobody would support his elevation to a Mitre.
      East End Fed Up PP

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    4. Having Episcopal Vicars serves many purposes. They confer Confirmation, whenever the Archbishop is tied up in urgent meetings in Archbishop's House/Eccleston Square/Rome (ie most of the time). They also give a degree of preferment at little cost. A bit like junior ministers in the Government. They can lord it over their colleagues a bit, but remain doing their day jobs in their parishes, still living in their presbyteries.

      There used to be more auxiliary bishops, including Ginny. He never demurred when people in the media called him Bishop of North London. He was simply auxiliary bishop with pastoral responsibility for north London. That old lib Victor Guazelli looked after was London, while the saintly James O'Brien cared for Hertfordshire.

      Then all of a sudden Keith Barltrop, ex Allen All rector joined their ranks as episcopal vicar for central London. No mini-palace for him, though he loved the purple choral dress.

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  2. I attended Allen Hall. I loved it. I was not ordained but that was because I was called to married life and I am now thankfully happily married.

    I love Allen Hall. I love it's ethos - a genuine Catholic ethos. It is gentle, supportive, formation at its best.

    When I was there Bishop Mark was the Rector and Fr Roger (the now rector) was my formator.

    I testify with God as my witness that Allen Hall was genuine. I saw no justification for accusations suggested in this blog posting. If I had a son who wanted to be a priest I would encourage Allen Hall if the bishop allowed such a choice.

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    1. You must have been very blind or very unattractive :-)

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    2. 9.54

      What a nasty, uncalled for comment!
      That comment, of course, says nothing at all about the poster who was in Allen Hall and everything about you and it's not pretty...

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    3. 00.52 What planet were you living on when at Allen Hall? I suppose nobody really talked about going up to the Brompton Cemetry late at night, but of course that was slightly before your time. As for sending your Son there, be careful for what you wish for.

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    4. Are you saying people went up to Brompton Cemetery for sex at night? Are you a priest? Did you personally witness this?

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    5. Brompton Cemetery is a well known cruising spot near Allen Hall. I know Seminarians who went there especially at weekends. The Cemetery is near a well known Brompton gay club were many go to after the club closes and yes, that includes some seminarians. The dogs on the street know all about it.

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    6. Are you a priest or former seminarians?

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    7. I hope the dogs are safe :-)

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    8. Battersea Park is also within walking distance, so I imagine they can also nip along there for a bit.

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    9. Yes, Battersea Park indeed, just a short stroll across the bridge. Was there not a gay pub just off the Kings Road also? I suppose that was a bit too close for comfort.

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    10. @9.54 I won't justify your comment with a response except to say that the third option is that it may just have been a good seminary.

      When I was there Alice Hall was acknowledged as a historical but addressed issue.

      Brompton cemetery was noted as a place to stay away from.

      I visitor attempted to step out of line and Fr Mark addressed it swiftly, firmly and appropriately.

      Battersea park was frequented each Saturday morning for a soccer match - for any seminarians wanting to attend.

      It was a fun place to live and to be formed in. The rector, vice rector and formation team were clear on the Catholic ethos and the expectation from all men living there.

      As I said last night, Allen Hall was great to be in. I would consider it a clear example of getting a seminary correct.

      The fact that there are gay clubs etc nearby and grave yards is no reflection on Allen Hall - there is every sort of a thing near by in a city the size of London. My view of the accusations levelled here today is that they are either malicious or historic - for example how long is Basil Hume gone?

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    11. Just ask yourself how many Rectors has Alice had in recent years? To say it was a fun place to live is an unfortunate turn of phrase!!! Fr Mark was a Seminarian himself during the hey day of Alice times. He was later a staff member during all sorts of 'goings on' before becoming it's Rector. He knew exactly what was happening and did nothing just like his associates. You really do live in cloud cuckoo land 12.40.

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    12. @13.46
      Nice accusation from a person who prefers the evidence of his imagination over the testimony of lived experience.

      For clarity, when I used the phrase 'fun place to live' I used it in the healthy sense.

      You can throw make-believe muck all you like but make-believe muck is all it is.

      I'd testify under oath that Allen Hall was genuinely informed by a healthy Catholic ethos when I lived there.

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    13. Testifying under oath means nothing and proves little. Are you not ashamed to have wasted so much of the laity' s money when you left Seminary and got married? No wonder you had such a 'fun' time as you yourself claim! Perhaps you are the blind Scandinavian someone referred to earlier as you couldn't see what was going on around you during your free board and lodgings in Allen Hall.

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    14. A man goes to seminary thinking he may have a vocation. If he discrens otherwise he is best leaving and contributing to his community in another way.

      It is when men should not stay but do stay that problems arise.

      Can you really not accept that in some place, at some point in time there may just have been a bunch of men happily living out struggle that is the Gospel message? We were not perfect except in out support of one another. But we certainly were not engaged in the behaviour you insist was going on. That is more a reflection on you than on those you defame.

      And now Anon 17.02, you have really scraped the end of the barrel with your bootless argumemts.

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    15. Well said. A disgusting comment for 17:02 to make and one that undermines any semblance of rationality his posting might otherwise have had. Sickening indeed.

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  3. I thnk a better description for a group of gays is 'a clique'. Gay cliques are manifold but all have a tendency to exclude other gays, particularly those they're jealous or envious of, outside the group.

    Also, I am so glad the blog is extending its tentacles further to examine and report back on any 'strange goings-on' amongst "celibate" priests and seminarians in the UK lest they occasion scandal like their Irish counterparts.

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  4. Vinnie will be furious lol.
    Still, it's not libel if it's true..

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    1. No, but it's uncharitable detraction....

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  5. Pat, along with yourself, you'll have all the Irish queens out for the day! You all make for a good laugh, bitching. It's most "unbecoming" behaviour, but laughable.

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  6. On some level I can understand Hume telling his Priest to be discreet but on another it is unjust. How many priests suffer because the church preaches one thing and says another. How many lay people are in second unions and are treated by the church as second class citizens. How do priests manage the contradiction of preaching one thing and doing another. The nudge nudge wink wink approach is far from what I believe Jesus would have wanted. Pat did you ever think of publishing an anthology of the main points that filter through the blog over the years.

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    1. I imagine the great register of strange goings-on represents an anthology of sort, listing names alongside type of scandal, e.g. gay sex, drink, fraud, or all three.

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    2. An anthology will never appear!

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  7. Pat,
    Don't overlook Archdiocese of Southwark!

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    1. Let's just say Pat, there has been more than one Amy and it's not just Armagh. Southwark indeed.

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    Very interesting blog Pat. I believe Westminster's problem is the influx of some former Anglican Clergy taken in by Basil Hume. Some are definitely 'Gin Queens'. What saddens me is that they have been allowed to fill positions of influence by Cormac and Vinny, namely xxx xxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxx.

    The present xxx xxx was the former Anglican Vicar of Xxxxxxx and promoted by Cormac and Vinny but there again some say they wanted rid.

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    1. You may be right.

      But many of the Gin Queens were home grown?

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    2. My Da always said Gin was an oul dolls drink.

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    3. Well now you know better!

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  9. Does anyone know what happened at Cockfosters monastery? There were 15 monks in the 90s but they all vanished and it closed a few years ago, supposedly because of lack of bodies. After it closed Fr Philip Temple got sent down for multiple counts of child abuse, and perjury.

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  10. Why do Westminster clergy insist on giving each other girl's names? Hackney Mother.

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    1. Who is the Westminster PP who is a tranny and dresses up and parades around the Poland Street area on a regular basis? The gay mafia in Westminster have girls names for one another.

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    2. There are a few gay bars around Poland Street for elderly queens. PP.

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    3. It's a street in London with a few bars for the older gentleman who is not the marrying type. It's also a haunt for trannies and their admirers. You lead a sheltered life Pat lol.

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    4. No. I know of the Elephants Graveyard pub in Marble Arch but never heard of Poland Street.

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    5. I am a young gay Irish man in London with a preference for the older man. I was picked up by a priest in that Marble Arch pub and lived with him until he found a younger and prettier model. I hope he does not give him the same warts he gave me. I will email you the details Pat.

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    6. I hope you find live and happiness. Be careful.

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    7. Poland street has only 1 gay bar the kings Arms and it's a bear bar not really a drag queens scene but you do get the odd one at times

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    8. There's a couple of d&c priests go over to the elephants graveyard/ the quebec when they are in town

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    9. 11.29 It's very unfair to mention the PP who dresses up. It's a sad case and the man has had treatment for that. Why kick the man when he's down. Yes, he sometimes goes to Poland Street but what harm is he doing?

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    10. @11.12
      You ask why Westminster clergy give each other girls' names? I suppose you have to be seen to be fair in these things.
      Sure what about nuns? - -When I went to a convent school years ago, the nuns called each other publicly by men's names. We were taught by a Sister Peter and we knew an elderly retired Mother Kevin around the corridors. I also knew (in a different Order) a Sister Matthias --loads of them with masculine names..

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  11. ??? Cockfosters ????

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  12. Pat, who are these gin queens? Sound a right nasty clique as someone referred to earlier.

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    1. They are a gay clique who are fond of their G&T.

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    2. Anglo-Catholics in the dear old CofE were often described by their detractors as being a bit "gin and lace".

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    3. They were used to sitting in a corner, which, now infuriates Dandy.

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  13. Bishop Pat, can you investigate a Fr xxxxx xxxxxx who was ordained from Allen Hall. He wasn't Westminster. I have it on good authority he frequented gay bars and clubs regularly whilst in the Seminary and also frequently met and paid young rent boys. He was well known for dining at all the top London restaurants and hotels. He seems to have vanished. I have forwarded you all the details and his name by email.
    Westminster PP

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    1. Got your email. His name has come up before, several times. Will reply to you privately.

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  14. My former PP, according to reports, used to go out on the scene dressed as a nurse. Willy Wally.

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    1. I'm Lancaster Diocese. WW

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    2. I think he was known around the Colne area, he was happy to give bed baths as a speciality dressed in full nurse uniform and pretty polly stockings. Last I heard he was around the Kendal area.

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    3. Cleanliness is next to Godliness, so they are say!

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  15. Pat at 11.47 you should name and shame that Priest whoever or wherever he is. I knew Maynooth was bad but good God it is nothing compared to this Alan Hall place. If I had any association with the place I would feel ashamed. Westminster just seems to be a cess pit.

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    1. It's just that London is far bigger than Gaynooth/Dublin and the gay scene there is massive.

      But this is a universal problem - Ireland, London, Rome etc etc.

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    2. 11.57 poster thinks Pat should be the one who "should name and shame".. Wasn't that his suggestion? He doesn't mind making the balls so long as he is not the one seen to be firing them.. No flies on him!!

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    3. I've known people formed in Maynooth and I have known people formed in Allen Hall. This posting is bogus and clearly designed to deflect from Maynooth.

      Michael Mullaney is that you? Or is that Amy Martin?

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    4. 11:57, the institutional/ministerial Catholic Church is the 'cesspit'. It, historically, just happens to manifest in different areas around the world.

      We need neo-Lollards in the Church: it needs levelling, a destruction of clerical hierarchy.

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  16. I just googled Allen Hall, an ex Rector (President) was jailed for child abuse. What hope have we got for its Seminarians if this is anything to go by.

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    1. For heaven sake you can say that about any seminary. Look at Maynooth;
      Ledwith sleeping with seminarians
      Donal O'Neill now being laicised
      Paul Prior the head-wrecker
      Enda Cunningham - how many people formed by him would have time for him?
      Mickey Collins trying to head-wreck but actually just screwing with people's heads
      ... Do you really think Maynooth does any better??
      Hugh Connolly - clearly identified as unsuitable for ministry within Ireland.
      Dermot Farrell - The emotionally unaware ice-king first-cousin of Ledwith...

      What you don't have from Allen Hall is a bunch of ex-seminarians filling a blog with their negative experiences. Allen Hall has ex-seminarians who speak highly of the place.

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    2. I am not aware that Ledwith slept with any seminarian, but merely that he would visit the junior semibarians in their rooms in Long Corridor without (as Fr McGinnity said) any professional reason for doing so.

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    3. Magna, fair point - what is known and what is proven are often different things.

      But to be fair the point remains that Ledwith's track record both in and after Maynooth demonstrate that there is reason to be suspect of the quality of formation he would have offered.

      Also the list of Maynooth staff, particularly recent staff at Maynooth is quite a long list of people - each of whom have appeared on this blog at various points and to varying degrees - all of whom have been accused of offering dysfunctional formation.

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    4. There is hell of a lot then, Magna Carta, about which you are unaware, in relation to Ledwith.

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    5. To be honest 15:12, I shouldn't wish to be aware of a 'hell of a lot' about Ledwith.

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    6. There were unspecified concerns about the appropriateness of Ledwith's behaviour with seminarians in Maynooth.

      However, the Ferns Report refers to specific allegations that he sexually abused a boy, "Raymond", in the 1980's, when the boy was 13-15 years old.

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    7. Magna has revealed his age and time in Maynooth. Must have been 1983-86. Ledwith had been stung by the McGinninity revelations and perhaps warned by the Trustees of Gaynooth. Not once did he visit Long Corridor or Rhetoric House or Humanity House when the junior seminarians resided there in the late 1980s. Though it must be admitted that it was a bit of a shock when his 20 something Mexican boyfriend Jaime appeared suddenly one evening in the refectory and announced that from nowhere he was joining the First Divinity class. But Westminster sounds more exciting.

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    8. Sorry, 'Sherlock', but you've missed the mark by a wide margin: I read about the matter and listened, just a year ago, to a recording of an RTร‰ interview with Fr McGinnity.๐Ÿ˜†

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    9. "Sherlock" hasn't "missed the mark" too much, Mags.

      Some of us know who you are.

      It's hilarious that you think we don't! ;-)

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    10. Keep idly tossing that dice, 11:15; you'll never score six.๐Ÿ˜… (And to think you've tried...and failed๐Ÿ˜†...) many times before.)

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    11. No need to toss any dice, Mag. You'd be surprised what is known. So would the readers of this blog. Like I said - hilarious. All shall be revealed eventually. ;-)

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    12. And I for one am looking forward to that. Since he never posts on any other blogger blogs - even ones with a similar theme - his motivation for his behaviour here is obvious. Who and what he is then becomes similarly obvious.
      And his identity coming out really will be fun. Some time ago I told him to be careful what he wished for. And this is what I meant.

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    13. No, that wasn't what you meant, 23:14; nor was it what you said.

      But you can't help bein' 'stoopid', now can 'ya'?!๐Ÿ˜ฉ๐Ÿ˜…๐Ÿ˜†

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    14. No problem, Mugsy, keep it up. The more you do it the better it gets.
      I both said it and meant it. I knew it was over your head.

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  17. ".. according to reports..". On such thin evidence, I suggest you stick to the facts and MYOB.

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  18. Gay people should be made aware of all the std's out there, especially associating with priests who only care about their sexual exploits
    Where are they getting all the money from Pat to entertain ?
    Bet there isn't as many in Scotland, we all know the Scottish people like to count their pennies....well maybe they don't
    That young gay man needs to care for himself.

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    1. There was Cardinal Keith O'Brien who seduced young priests?

      The money question poses anoth interesting question.

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    2. ‘Harmful to the physical, mental and spiritual wellbeing of those involved’ was how Cardinal O’Brien described the prospect of two British citizens who are not members of his church marrying in a civil ceremony. How much more appropriate a description of his own career that may now be.

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    3. An Irish Dominican priest in a sermon in 2015 said things about gay people as negative as the things Cardinal O'Brien said. They are all a matter of record and in the public forum.

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  19. It used to be wealthy widows giving priests money.
    Think they have more cop on now.

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  20. 12.30
    Treatment...you sound like mrs Robinson
    It is a fetish, we all could have one, but whatever our professions or jobs are, we have to live and be respectful to our employers and the public in general
    He needs to leave the priesthood if he not adhering to the rules
    What harm is he doing...grrrrr
    He could get a paid job in a nightclub or gay bar.

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  21. is Hunwick correct about the SSPX's recent experience at Knock shrine?

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  22. 13.49 He is too elderly to get a job in a night club or bar, gay or otherwise

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  23. It brings in handy money to a previously deprived area, airport: tourists.
    No hard work there.
    If one wants to pray through our lady, it can be done whilst at work , driving, sitting at home, out in the garden.
    But if you want a trip to Mayo, then go there.
    I was having a cup of tea in a cafe there during a bus trip to surrounding scenic areas.
    Took out my packed lunch, was told I couldn't eat it there.
    Perhaps I should have eaten it in the glass house at the gable wall.

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    1. What's this inane comment got to do with today's blog topic???

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    2. I think the writer is talking about Knock and Medjugore.

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    3. @14.13
      Re/cafe objecting to you eating your own food brought in from outside... You got caught on a technicality - - but the management of the cafe should have had the courtesy to give you at least a brief and correct explanation.. They were within their rights and it widespread accepted good health and safety practice nowadays. (Things are so bound up by strict regulations these days!) The cafe management are under strict signed regulation that everything "consumed on their premises" was prepared and served under certain safe hygiene conditions eg gloves worn to handle ingredients of a sandwich etc etc.. the temperature it was stored at.... blah blah blah... "No food will be consumed here if we cannot guarantee that.." Of course, there is the money spent aspect too, but it's the health rules they have to keep an eye on.... And you could have been an Inspector!! I am not a cafe owner but I do know.....

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    4. Tables in cafรฉs aren't picnic tables. It's their livelihood and I'd consider it downright rude to bring in food from outside and I'd be too embarrassed to do so

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  24. 14.03 I agree that some on here are deflecting from Maynooth and happy to put the boot into Allen Hall, even though I do think it's justified given the filth associated with it on the blog today.

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  25. Pat, do you know any Priests who trained at Allen Hall?

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  26. What about the blind Scandinavian Seminarian at Alice Hall who turned out in the end not to be blind at all!! He was history after that. I think he was a former Lutheran. My PP told me all about it.

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    Bishop Pat, Please investigate Fr Xxxxxx Xxxxxxof St Xxxxxxxx in Xxxxxxxxxx Xxxx. He is a highly ambitious and unpleasant man, having driven many long-standing families from his parish. It is well known within the province, and Westminster generally, that he is in an open relationship with Fr Xxxxx Xxxxx, of Xxxxxxxxx The two spent some time together during the noviciate, and have been going on holidays, trips out, and used any chance to be together ever since. Fr Xxxxxx has also been known to refuse couples from being married in his parish, because he claims not to have 'personally seen them' attend Mass weekly, despite the fact some of them are very devout. The English Xxxxx Order in general needs further investigation.

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    1. That particular order has big issues in Ireland too.

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    2. Are they 'Black and White' by any chance

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    3. I live in London and was thinking the same. If so, I have heard similar rumours.

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  28. He must not have been offered enough money.
    I remember when I was getting married in the 60s I had to get a letter of freedom from a certain parish, a priest refused until they could prove I was authentic.
    I was then advised to go back and ask for Fr so ans so. No problem he wrote it there and then
    I didn't give him any money as I hadn't a clue about such things then. lol

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  29. I am a gay English priest and I can say the best sex I have in my life was during my seminary years. I have done "pilgrimages" to Brompton Cemetery in my time and have been wined and dined by older clerical Gin Queens and had to "pay" for the hospitality I received - "in kind". Now older myself I find no shortage of gin lovers among younger priests and seminarians. Nothing has changed. Fr. Sebastian.

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    1. You're not real.... Guess how we know!..

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    2. Agreed. A Red herring post. Who would sign such a post?

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    3. And I hide behind that cover of people thinking I'm not for real.

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    4. I cannot tell whether you are real or not.

      But are you not being very cynical?

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    5. Or just refreshingly honest?

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    6. There is nothing "refreshing" at all about the "honesty" of 14:39, if he is in fact real. His honesty will damn his soul.

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    7. Fr Sebastian is a play of words on St Sebastian.

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    8. It's only like Cardinal Spellman and the chorus boy. A journalist got the chorus boy to ask the cardinal if he wasn't worried people would find out about his affair. The cardinal's reply was 'Who ever would believe that? '
      Allen Hall's reputation in the early '90s was that anything went. Oscott was known as the dating agency. I would be interested to know when the ex-seminarian was at Allen Hall because it seems more recent.

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  30. And what about your celibacy vow ?
    And are you using the laity donations to fund your life of promiscuity ?

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    1. you are prostituting yourself and call yourself Fr ???????

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  31. you shouldn't be in the priesthood if you are promiscuous.

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    1. Why now? Most seminarians are promiscuitarians nowadays.

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  32. Bishop Pat this is a truly staggering post and I think many of us will be astounded at the depth and accuracy of the information that you have. I too am a gay priest, though try to live a celibate life and though I have wandered in the past, have pretty much lived according to the promises I took at my Ordination. The picture you paint of Westminster is accurate - up to a point. The vast majority of the priests of the diocese are good men, trying their best to live and proclaim the Gospel in a totally indifferent society. Religion here is totally marginal, and Catholicism is utterly irrelevant and Catholic priests associated with one thing and one thing only. I agree that the influx of former Anglicans has been, lets say "a mixed blessing". It has swelled the numbers, but also left us with a lot of sexually active gay men, as well as a fair few vicious old queens. They tend to clique together and you are right on when you say Cardinal Vincent always makes a bee line for them at functions "to break them up". Almost all of them are "Francis haters", who despise the pope and all he is trying to do to make the Church less judgmental and more merciful. They are quite open and bold in their condemnation and hatred, calling him nicknames, like Coco the Clown and Papa Bog Roll Io. They are frightened men, as they know their time is up. They are the gin and lace brigade of former Anglo Catholic times. I know that Cardinal Nicholls has had several of them in for "interviews WITHOUT coffee", a sure sign that you are for the high jump. One by one they are being dealt with, but it is a slow procedure and he is so busy now with other things, his eye has been taken off the ball. Thank you for caring about us enough to post about the situation here. I would imagine some of these old queens have a lot to be sacred off - thats why they hate you so much. By the way Bromptom Cemetery is no longer a cruising ground, that was in the 80's and 90's. The place have a heavy presence and the gates are close at dusk. Also Battersea Park. In fact there are very few causing gounds anymore, as people tend to hook up on line, etc. There was a wonderful Diocesan MC many years ago, who was well known in all the London Cottages, he was larger than life - in frame as well as personality. But he had a big heart. He was completely outrageous and the famous story is that some right wing traditionalist demanded he give him absolution in latin, to which Big D replied "Why, did you commit your sins in latin?" They don't make them like him anymore. Keep up the good work Bishop Pat.

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    1. Thank you for that balanced comment.

      It's interesting that Nicholls is aware.

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    2. Was his name Hulme?

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    3. ... Dandy you mean.

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    4. Another MC in the Greater London area was a while back given the heave-ho for, atypically, prepositioning a female volunteer at the cathedral in which served. The disgraced former MC nonetheless got a promotion. It was a decade or two ago when it happened so the details elude me but I'm sure that he was made a monsignor, provost, canon or vicar general. One of those great offices, anyway.

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  33. The Gin Queens all go off for lunch after the Chrism Mass at Westminster Cathedral. Old Compton Street area in Soho is the usual venue right in the heart of the gay scene. They have no shame, all dressed to the nines and without a care in the world. Then they race back to their parishes for the Evening Mass of the Lords Supper.

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    1. It's quite clear that you're making this up as the Chrism Mass is not held on Maundy Thursday but Tuesday in Holy Week. Perhaps it's the local Anglicans who are going to Soho?

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    2. Evening Mass of the Lord's Supper is on Maundy Thurs. Chrism Mass is always on the Tues of Holy Week in Westminster. If you're going to contribute and badmouth, at least get your facts right! But then, what does truth have to do with anything on this desperately sad blog. It's all the devils work!

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  34. 15.57 Why don't you shut your gossip mouth. What you say is full of inaccuracies and it's clear who you are after you got spurned and now not only bearing your teeth but claws also.

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    1. A bit too close to the bone for you?

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    2. " baring your teeth"

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  35. A great piece by Bishop McElroy of the Diocese of San Diego on the role of chastity in the Church. It was published in the America Magazine. I wonder will Pat cover it? Maybe not- Bishop McElroy's article is possibly too sensible and articulate for this blog.

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    1. Just read it there, thanks for the info.
      It's shocking the way that some people are treating Fr James Martin SJ, an excellent priest and a true supporter of lgbt people.
      I agree with you, their views won't get much of a hearing on this blog.

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  36. So are the gin queens gay also ?
    Are there 2 types of gays ?

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  37. The clue is in the name 17.35

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  38. Why don't you write to Nichols Pat and alert him to the sleaze he is surrounded by.

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  39. Cardinal Nicholls is certainly aware and more than any Archbishop in living memory uses knowledge as power. The Cardinal he emulates in John Carmel Heenan. When he was Bishop of Leeds, the diocese was known as "The Cruel See" so frequently did he move his priests. Cardinal Nicholls has his eyes and ears everywhere, and many priests dread the call to "come in and have a chat" at Ambroseden Avenue. Any proven sexual acting out will be dealt with swiftly and without much mercy. There is a ruthlessness in Cardinal Vincent that is quite chilling. He looks at all his priests through suspicious eyes. When challenged about this, he has admitted that this is because he has been lied too so many times by priests. By the way the only reason that the excellent Jim Curry has not be promoted is because the Cardinal has thus far blocked him. The "Dauphin" is Nicholas Hudson - a much admired, if a little dull, prayerful man who was Rector of the Venerabile.

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    1. I do take your point about him having been lied to but when he was in Birmingham several priests told me independently that they felt Nichols had marked their cards. And I'm talking about faithful celibate priests. For no reason they knew their lives would suddenly be made difficult and the impression I got was that it depended on whether your face fitted, even if you were playing by the rules. One priest went so far as to say (about someone turned down for seminary for no apparent reason) that it was as if 'they' didn't want priests at all! These priests all said that the environment became much harsher and hostile than it had been under Couve de Murville.

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    2. It's Nichols as in Dandy.

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  40. In view of the response to today's blog, it's clear Pat has to do something about Alice Hall lest they scandalise the faithful readers of this website.

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  41. 1.1. Malicious misrepresentation, undermining the merit or reputation of another person, reproaching in the behaviour of others what one is guilty of oneself, is a toxic cocktail of calumny, detraction, slander and hypocrisy. Whilst detraction makes dubious use of the truth slander violates not only a conditional but an absolute right that every person has to their good name in accordance with the truth. Passivity or indifference mistakenly regarded as turning the other cheek, fails to recognise the duty one owes to oneself and to the greater good to expose and challenge this form of malevolence. There used to be a venial sin called morose delectation taking pleasure in the misdeeds or misfortune of others. To the Gin Queens I offer the wise counsel of the philosopher Wittgenstein : 'whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should remain silent.' Brother Jim.

    Maybe you can do something with this Pat.

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    1. There is a lot of justifiable schadenfreude on here.

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  42. 2.2. COCKFOSTERS : Fr.? Philip Temple of and Fr. Anthony Smithwick were arrested in 1998 for the sexual abuse of the same 15 year old male prostitute. The first trial ended in a hung jury. Because of the preponderance of evidence a second trial was ordered, which also ended in a hung jury. Fr. Placid Meylink, the prior, to asked the community what they would say if questioned by the Metropolitan Police. Those who answered "tell the truth" were exported to a monastery in New Mexico, which is why half of the community disappeared overnight. Fr. Anthony Smithwick held a teaching position at Allen Hall. On parents day he French kissed several seminarians in front of the faculty and guests. Nothing was done until the letters of protest arrived and THEN he was sacked and told never to set foot on campus again. What happened to Fr. Philip Temple?

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    1. Thank you for that - I didn't know Anthony Smithwick was involved in that. I was a postulant there and what strikes me as odd was the amount of whingeing the community did about Dom Placid. Yet the chapter must have voted for him and known him after living with him!
      This is what happened to Dom Philip:
      https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/10/judge-apologised-to-victim-of-ex-priest-who-abused-children/amp/&ved=0ahUKEwjhsMCD77TWAhUZM8AKHYNdDnEQFghEMAg&usg=AFQjCNF804uDWCTX0ne7wrrwoMEPUVTsbA&ampcf=1

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    2. Campus? At Allen Hall? Shows how this is a crock of sh*t. Get real.

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  43. You are a very very nasty man, a so called 'Bishop' which is a laugh for a start. You are just a parasite peddling your scurrilous rumours. His Eminence has been informed about your sad blog and about your snitches that provide you with such filth and unfounded gossip. You are a laughing stock within Westminster.

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    1. Most of what I hear is from Westminster priests! And I do keep them in my daley prayers.

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    2. Excuse the typo. I meant daily.

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  44. Anonymous at 07:58 you are quite obviously a brown nose of Dandy Nichols! Keep up the good work Bishop Pat.

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  45. CAMPUS:I will answer this kind of trivial remark only once. Many people would regard the word 'campus' as an Americanism and I would be excused for using it on the grounds that I lived and worked in the United States for many years.

    The word 'campus' is a Latin noun and is rendered into English by the same spelling. In English, it denotes the grounds and buildings of a college and variously, from Latin, 'combat the battle'. In modern usage (Latin root 'camp') it can also denote ostentatious the exaggerated, affected, theatrical and effeminate mannerisms that are stereotypically homosexual. Surely the natural habitat of a camp person is a campus.

    The word' trivial' is a conflation of 2 Latin words: 'tri' and 'via' and it refers to the conjunction of 3 roads outside of Rome where women returning from work in the fields would gather to gossip. I regard the observation referred to above as trivial because of the serious purport of this blog, which I do not regard as an appropriate forum in which to teach etymology.

    In faith,
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  46. Oscott, Allen Hall, what about Wonersh?

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  47. Don't tell me that there are "strange goings on" there too? All I know about Wonersh is that it's in a pretty village and somewhat isolated and that it nearly got the chop a few years ago. The proposal from the episcopal conference was that Ushaw and Oscott merge, and that Allen Hall and Oscott merge, with the four England & Wales seminaries staying open.

    Ushaw, which resembled Maynooth physically and in other ways, was sacrificed. The powerful liberal south coast bishops (Budd, Hollis, Cormac) made a great fuss and Wonersh is still going on.

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