A BLOG READER HAS CLAIMED THAT DEACON SEAN "KING PUCK" JONES OF KERRY IS TO BE ORDAINED A PRIEST ON NOVEMBER 12TH BY BISHOP XRAY BROWNE?
In July 2016 Ray Browne made the following statement:
In the past nine months five priests of our diocese have died, may they Rest in Peace. All were retired and of a good age and had given long years of great faith-filled service. Last year three priests of our diocese retired having passed the age of 75. This year one priest retires on this ground. At the moment three of our priests are coping with long-term serious ill-health.
Within the next year, God willing, Sean Jones will be ordained a priest for the diocese. It will be exactly ten years since our last priestly ordination. Just one priest of our diocese is under forty. Thankfully we have four other students preparing for priesthood. I ask that we all continue to pray for these students and for vocations to the priesthood in the diocese.
According to XRay's own statement, he intended ordaining King Puck before July 2017.
It's now October 2017 - months after the intended ordination date???
There had to be SOME SERIOUS REASON for Browne to put back the ordination of King Puck.
After all, as Browne himself says, Kerry has not had an ordination for 10/11 years.
Browne would be itching to ordain a priest for Kerry.
There are other unanswered questions too:
1. Why did King Puck leave - or was asked to leave - a religious order before becoming a Kerry seminarian?
2. Why did he spend a number of years as a lay student in Maynooth in between the religious order and joining Kerry diocese?
3. Why has Deacon Jones or Kerry Diocese never denied that the picture below is of King Puck?
When I asked the bishop's secretary in Kerry about the photograph he did not say it was not King Puck.
Rather, he said it was "UNCHRISTIAN" of me to publish it?
Could it be that XRay wanted the fuss to die down for 18 months before ordaining Puck?
And could it be that XRay is giving us all the "two finger salute" and telling us that we ordinary mortals have no right to question THE LORD BISHOP OF KERRY?
The Rite of Ordination to the priesthood includes the following:
It's now October 2017 - months after the intended ordination date???
There had to be SOME SERIOUS REASON for Browne to put back the ordination of King Puck.
After all, as Browne himself says, Kerry has not had an ordination for 10/11 years.
Browne would be itching to ordain a priest for Kerry.
There are other unanswered questions too:
1. Why did King Puck leave - or was asked to leave - a religious order before becoming a Kerry seminarian?
2. Why did he spend a number of years as a lay student in Maynooth in between the religious order and joining Kerry diocese?
3. Why has Deacon Jones or Kerry Diocese never denied that the picture below is of King Puck?
When I asked the bishop's secretary in Kerry about the photograph he did not say it was not King Puck.
Rather, he said it was "UNCHRISTIAN" of me to publish it?
Could it be that XRay wanted the fuss to die down for 18 months before ordaining Puck?
And could it be that XRay is giving us all the "two finger salute" and telling us that we ordinary mortals have no right to question THE LORD BISHOP OF KERRY?
The Rite of Ordination to the priesthood includes the following:
Presentation of the Candidate
12. When the candidate is in his place before the bishop, the priest designated by the bishop says:
Most Reverend Father, holy mother Church asks you to ordain this man, our brother, for service as priest.
The bishop says: Do you judge him to be worthy?
He answers: After inquiry among the people of Christ and upon the recommendation of those concerned with his training, I testify that he has been found worthy.
Has XRay taken note of what the PEOPLE OF CHRIST might think???
Do we know where the proposed ordination is taking place - the cathedral, a parish church or at a secret location.
Will anyone be there to raise an objection on behalf of THE PEOPLE OF GOD?
Do we know where the proposed ordination is taking place - the cathedral, a parish church or at a secret location.
Will anyone be there to raise an objection on behalf of THE PEOPLE OF GOD?
Diocese refuses to comment on Kerry Seminarians
The Diocese of Kerry has refused to comment on the decision to end the training of three Kerry seminarians
One trainee priest had been in training for six years while the other two had five years completed.
The three Kerry seminarians were told by the Director of Faith Formation at St Patrick’s College in Maynooth in May that they would not be allowed to continue their journey to the priesthood.
It’s understood that the decision would have been taken in consultation with the Bishop of Kerry, Dr Ray Browne.
Just six seminarians entered training for the priesthood in Maynooth this year; the lowest number since the college was founded.
There is one Kerry seminarian at Maynooth and another man from the county is undertaking a pre-seminary year.
Last year the Archbishop of Dublin, Dr Diarmuid Martin removed his seminarians from Maynooth and sent them to Rome to complete their training.
In July last year, Bishop Browne stated that a deacon in Kerry would be ordained within the year, becoming the first priest from Kerry ordained in a decade and that four men from the diocese were in training for the priesthood.
To date, the deacon has not been ordained.
Knocknagoshel became the sixth parish in Kerry to lose its fulltime priest this year and the Bishop has warned that the day is coming when it will not be possible to have a weekend mass in every church in the diocese.
The diocesan statement says that the seminarians have a right to privacy and to speak publicly about an individual’s journey for the priesthood seems invasive and inappropriate.
It added that Deacon Sean Jones continues in his full-time ministry as a deacon in the diocese.
Ugh..! That dreadful photograph again..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.radiokerry.ie/diocese-refuses-comment-kerry-seminarians/
ReplyDeleteUpdate Pat
That press release was a disgrace. Every week in this country someone gets fired. Their dismissal is not published. Rather they are allowed save face and tell people they left or agreed mutually to part ways. There is no call to tell the whole diocese that these men were fired. The press release itself said that this was a private matter of discernment. The press release was never needed by its own admission.
DeleteThat implies that the Kerry Diocese's people should be kept in the dark as they are not to be trusted. That is very insulting especially since many of those good people helped to pay that scut's way. It's not good enough. Another cover-up. You just don't ever learn do you?
Delete@15.09
DeleteIf a guys goes to seminary he will either be ordained and become a public figure or will not be ordained and remains a private figure. The reasons for his leaving are between him, his format or and his bishop. That press release stated three kerry men were dismissed from seminary - quite frankly how they exited the place is not of public concern. They remain private citizens and are entitled to their privacy.
The people of Kerry funded a period of discernment for them and to be quite honest all they need to know is that this discernment resulted in these chaps leaving.
They should a respected for their bravery in coming forward and their dignity should be left intact rather than destroyed by such a press release.
But at no point am I making any excuse for Puck. Clearly he should have taken time out and then he should have been tested in his vocation. His story is a fiasco.
17:04 - I hear what you're saying, but the men in question did not "leave", as you say. They were kicked out by Bishop Browne for very dubious reasons.
DeleteFine if one seminarian leaves a diocese, but we are talking about THREE seminarians being more or less simultaneously being dismissed. That's three quarters of Kerry's seminarians; indeed, it's about one tenth of the entire seminarian community in Maynooth. It's also very strange that two of them were kicked out as they were preparing to continue into their final year of formation - these men were well advanced on their journey to priesthood, and all on a sudden they are deemed unsuitable? Something is amiss here - either the formators in Maynooth were not doing their jobs by letting these men continue in seminary for so long, or +Browne has a problem with these men all being orthodox Catholics. The decision is all the more puzzling when one considers the subject of today's blog, namely that Puck may very well be ordained.
I am not saying that the privacy of these men should be invaded or breached, but I do think it raises serious questions about the motives of Bishop Brown as well as highlighting the ongoing deficiencies of priestly formation in Maynooth.
The public need not know if a man is kicked out of left freely. That is a private matter.
DeleteBut there is a duty to review what is wrong;
A) Brown's reasoning
B) Maynooth processed
C) kerry's initial selection process
Or indeed were these men given reason to protect against the decision to keep Puck, thereby displaying a 'lack of obedience'. Knowing Maynooth I would think the latter and that these lads probably acted righteously but for their trouble not o my were the rejected they were done so publically in the media.
Regardless of the true answer Xray treated them harshly by abusing their privacy with such a media statement.
Three reasons why the good guys in Maynooth were kicked out and the likes of Puck, Byrne, Derwin, Marshall, Sheehan et al kept: 1. Connolly 2. Mullaney 3. Prior.
Delete@8.57
DeleteGiven those reasons is it then fair and just to have these men publicly denounced in the media by Kerry Diocese as having been dismissed? I think not.
Absolutely not 17:01! These three poor men are just more fall guys to be sacrificed to keep the status quo in place.
DeleteWhat happened those guys happened before on two other occasions to other decent men under the watch of the three mentioned priests who want to completely homosexualise the priesthood.
The bishops are dopes, end of. Stones have more brain activity than Browne and co. DM is crafty in a cunning way. Amy is naive and gullible. Overall a sorry bunch of suckers.
Delete@19.41
DeleteWe are then in agreement if you look at the last 3 words of my 17.01 comment - and I know those other decent men. I served my time in Maynooth with them. And I agree with your point that they suffered due to being heterosexual.
Kerry Diocese is shameful for biblically humiliating these men when their stories are most likely very different to what the press release says. Peace be with you.
no better man than yourself buckley to walk in and put a halt to proceedings. I suppose as the fella who broke the story you have a duty if not a responsibility to prevent this monstrasity upon us in kerry. isnt it bad when the local woman whose as catholic as they come has raised objections to the little pucking being crowned lord and master of us all. God luck to him if hes a a queer fella but dont be thinking we want any bad craic or publicity in kerry
ReplyDeleteI imagine parishioners have seen and heard it all before, so another ordained pulpit woof won't make any difference to them.
ReplyDeleteNO! We are not happy to be taken for granted anyone poster 5.23!
DeleteSorry.. WRONG!.. It makes a big to us if an unworthy person is making a mockery of Ordination and of us. We deserve better, thank you!
DeleteTo ordain this individual, if the allegations are true (and they have not been robustly refuted as would be expected in case of true innocence) will be an act of violence against the Church.
ReplyDeleteIt is absolutely typical of Brown’s secretary to muddy the waters by saying it was “unchristian” to publish the picture.
If it is not Jones in the picture, why has Jones and Kerry not pursued redress by every means possible? Everything points to the picture being of Jones.
And the picture is not the sum total of the problem - the immorality of all that goes with such a picture should immediately have barred this individual from any further progress towards priestly ordination.
The discovery of a promiscuous homosexual lifestyle should have led to immediate expulsion from the seminary and the initiation of a canonical process against Jones to have him dismissed as a deacon.
Ray Brown is exhibiting the most serious and perilous lack of judgment. This man “King Puck” will go on to be a major problem for the Church for decades to come. If he has been living a promiscuous homosexual lifestyle, it is unlikely that that will change.
Some of these Irish bishops today are utterly incompetent and unfit for purpose. Rome needs to intervene and stop this ordination attempt. This man “King Puck” should instead be dismissed as speedily as possible from the diaconate and directed towards a more suitable life choice.
It speaks of a breathtakingly arrogant and brazen spirit, beyond belief, that this Bishop and this man are quite prepared to inflict serious harm on the Body of Christ by their apparently chosen course of action. May God have mercy on both of their souls.
@5.57
DeleteI totally agree with you as will all right-thinking people
It is wrong to misuse and make a mockery of Ordination in this way.
What exactly is your problem? Is it that the man may allegdly be gay? Or that he allegedly wore a jockstrap?
DeleteYour own tone is shrill and maniacle. Is itvspringing from unresolved issues?
Shut up Puck @ 18:33.
DeleteThe “problem” 18:33 is that “Puck” has the morals of a barnyard Tom cat! Ray Brown will rue the day if he ordains this man.
DeleteLeave the guy alone. If we were all to have our teenage and young-adulthood indiscretions thrown in our face with your relentless zeal very few of us, if any, would be left standing.
ReplyDeleteThis is his recent behaviour - not teenage/young adult indiscretions. This man is extremely immature and that is the least part of the problem.
DeleteAt 7.27
DeleteThe actions of a confused or exploring teenager are in no way comparable to those of a mature discerning seminarians.
If he wanted to act on his fantasies he had ample opportunity to take time out and afterwards decide on which course of commitment would allow him live a life of integrity.
Might I suggest you reevaluate you're baseless comparison.
Puck is at least 25. Not a teenager.
DeletePuck was a lay student in Maynooth over a decade ago. He should be well into his 30's by now.
DeleteHe’s mid to late 30’s is the mad puck goat
DeleteI for one will WELCOME Fr Sean Jones to our diocese!
ReplyDeletePeople have said uncharitable things, but we need a priest who has been and seen the world, and is not distant from our own problems and struggles! I even accept that he might slip up at times, but as long as he tries to live a good life that's all that matters!
I'll pray for Fr Sean and I hope he'll pray for me.
Kerry Parishioner
Sadly I disagree with you "Kerry Pensioner"
DeleteIf this individual wants to contact young men and live this lifestyle he causes even more scandal and damage to others. How can he give to his people what he hasn't got?
Was Fr. Donal O'Neill (ex-kerry) trying to be a good priest or was he slipping up when he presented himself in my bedroom in Maynooth?
DeleteI am glad that you said "I, for one.." in your post Kerry pensioner.. For you certainly DON'T speak for me.!
DeleteLet it be God's Will.
ReplyDeletePat, I get your point that if you sign up to the "rules" then you must be authentic in living them out as a public figure/leader. Its basic integrity and I am with you.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand I cant help but feel sorry for the lad and maybe we need to support him a little more compassionately? For example where is his side of the story? How has he been represented?
This lads expression of sexuality via grindr and the inappropriate photos for a man in his role cries out HELP!!!! It is a message that the Church needs to hear that calls for urgent reform - that call is to "listen to the signs of the times." How they respond to that call in order to cultivate a healthy church in our times for young men and women in vocations is unknown? But one sure thing I know, they are down sh**creek without a paddle. I would like to know, has anyone in leadership in the catholic church listened to the voices of our young and future talent to acquire the fundamental change needed?
From a supporter of yours, Keep up the good work Pat!
08:48 You summed up my discomfort. Thank You.
DeleteI would live to publish his side of the story.
DeleteHe is being stage managed by Ray Browne.
08:48, absolute nonsense.
DeleteThis man is a “cute hoor” who has been caught out at his normal activity.
The way to engage with the signs of the times is not to ordain frequenters of the gay sex meat market. This is shocking beyond words.
The problem is NOT a man with same sex attraction but a man who trawls the internet looking for illicit sex, advertising himself also.
Such behaviour CANNOT be reconciled with what the Word of God requires, in EVERY age until the end of time, of ALL who are baptised and bear the Name of Christ.
And what is expected of every Christian - even more is expected of the ministers of God’s Church.
In a corrupt and sinful age, we are called to more faithful adherence to the standards of Christ - not compromise with the spirit of the world.
Your logic 08:48, it seems to me, was arrived at in the pit of hell.
By the way, “Kerry Parishioner” @07:42, I believe that was written by “Puck” himself or one of his mates.
Is that expression "cute hoor" a Derry or North West one I wonder?
DeletePlease explain "cute hoor". Is local Ireland term maybe, yes?
DeleteIn theory i agree with the initisl post but what of the other three lads dismissed without trial? Surely they could not have acted in a worse manner??
DeleteA “cute hoor” is commonly used in Ireland of someone who is a complete chancer, most untrustworthy, treacherous, two-faced, conniving, a charming liar, a double-dealer, try to buy you in one corner and sell you in the other ....
DeleteDo you get the picture?
From the Urban Dictionary - definition of cute hoor:
Deletecute hoor
phrase used in Ireland to describe a slippery customer, a rogue, a charlatan, someone who seems upstanding or innocent and mild but who never misses an opportunity to screw you over, scam you, rip you off or hide their farcical f**k ups, blame everyone else for the s**t they cause and generally lure you into their Machiavellian trap... unsurprisingly generally applied to cowboy politicians, corrupt rich tax evaders and their ilk
More shrill rants of a heat generator
DeletePuck's facial expression says it all. He will be able to ride away to his heart's content down in "Kirry" as a curate.
DeleteThe church in Ireland is sick. The ordination of such a controversial character just shows how deep the sickness really is. According to you Pat, three Kerry seminarians were expelled from Maynooth before the previous senior director of formation stood down. It is no wonder that thousands of Irish people young and old are turning to other religions or none every year now.
ReplyDeleteYou have absolutely no proof that picture is Sean Jones. It's pure fanciful speculation on your part to grab a very cheap headline. I always gave you the benefit of the doubt but on this one I think you are wrong.
ReplyDeleteA fellow Maynooth seminarian class member sent the profile and profile pic and is willing to stand over it.
DeleteSean Jones and the Bishop of Kerry have refused to deny it.
Let's have his name then if he is so prepared to stand over it. Yet more speculation. Catch yourself on for goodness sake.
DeleteLike yourself, at present he remains "anonymous"!
DeleteIndiscreet seminarians go on to become indiscreet priests like our own Fathers Coyle and McCamley. There are a few more heads to roll in our diocese. Pat already knows who they are. Armagh PP.
ReplyDeleteThere's one in my parish. Ruth.
DeleteArmagh PP= Dreaming Judas!
DeleteIts not me who is the "Judas". It is my colleagues who are involved in things that bring the priesthood and Church into scandal and disrepute. I tried bringing certain "situations" to the attention authorities and got nowhere. When I gave the information to Pat actions was taken!!! Armagh PP.
Deleteps: I am referring specifically to the "Keady problem". Armagh PP.
Delete10:03 equals lying Grindr lover.
DeleteGet out of the shadows you little filth bag.
I very much doubt you are an Armagh PP. What are you doing on this blog on a busy Sunday morning in the first place? We are not idiots on here.
DeleteArmagh PP... Who do you think your fooling.
DeletePat seems to be your "Saviour".
As for 10:19 a few days at primary school should yield fruit for you!
As I said 10:35: get out of the shadows and step into the light you vile little creature.
Delete10:54 Sorry, a few days at College may be best!
DeleteYou brut off a man!!!
You are using "off" in the wrong context - it should be "of".
DeleteI think you should also consider a "few days in college" 11:17.
If it is a case that you are a product of Maynooth, as I surmise, your grammatical and linguistic ignorance is understandable.
"You brute of a man"
Delete11.24
DeleteDon't be so ignorant. The blog is for all posters regardless of grammatical ability. Please have some manners.
The numbers in Maynooth speak for themselves.
ReplyDeleteGrindr is used by pederasts to prey on underage boys.
I don't care what anyone says here about weakness, compassion etc.
It is pure unadulterated evil to allow such men to be ordained who make use of such an evil app.
After all the Irish church has been through one wonders if these bishops are mentally deficient or thoroughly evil.
Do you KNOW this about GRINDR or are you just thinking that?
DeleteYes I know that Grindr is used in such manner based on a recent BBC documentary about a paedophile hunter in the UK who entrapped a prolific child abuser by posing as a school boy on Grindr.
DeleteDiarmiud Martin himself voiced grave concerns on RTE news last year about individuals who use this app.
Didn't you yourself say last year that a recently ordained Dublin priest tried to hook up with an underage man on Grindr?
Yes I did. I was not challenging you - just seeking your clarification.
DeleteYou have given that.
Thank you.
Pat, there appears to be a gross contradiction between DM's words and actions. It would be fair to say that if Browne is going to ordain Jones, that DM will do likewise with Byrne?
DeleteIs it true that Byrne is being housed in DM's house?
I have heard various things from Dublin clerical/other sources:
Delete1. That Gorgeous is left/gone?
2. That DM will ordain him on November 14th?
3. That he is staying with DM or housed in an archdiocese property.
4. That he has gone abroad and DM is covering all his expenses.
Its all Church politics that is being played by Ray Browne and DM and that church funds are being used???
Do you know what Pat, there is the same mentality among many of the priest-can-do-no wrong crowd that allowed many perverts and paedophiles to wreak havoc and destroy lives here in the past.it wasn't all the bishops fault though the greater responsibility certainly lay with them. there were also many "good living" catholics who turned a blind eye and deaf ear to the many rumours and reports before all the shit hit the fan.they deserve the likes of puck &MB. The f*****g arse licking idiots and gombeens.
DeleteI agree with you @10.50
DeleteAll it takes for evil to flourish is that good men stand by and do nothing.
I concur completely 10:50. There will be a load of arselicking old two faced biddies and goons banging on about mercy and forgiveness and wounded healers etc, etc, while having a complete memory block about the annihilation of faith and hope by the clerical pervos and paedos of the previous generation.
DeleteThey have worthy successors in puck, Byrne, Derwin and the rest of em that have been shitted out of maynooth recently.
Pat, you admit that your source remains anonymous regarding the Sean Jones picture. Is that not a grave error of judgement and a grave injustice towards Sean Jones and his family. Anonymous sources are highly questionable.
ReplyDeleteHis name and details are known to me. I have met him personally.
DeleteDo the charitable and Christian deed and pray for him and I'll pray for you Pat.
ReplyDeleteGo get a dictionary and look up the definition of Love and compassion and reflect about them when you celebrate Holy Mass.
Yes Jesus' welcomed hypocrites like you and I Pat!
Thank you.
DeleteWhen I get information I often go to the person involved and try and discuss it with them.
Very often they hang up on me and tell me where to go!
My next port of call has been his bishop. They do nothing either.
If the Church does not allow us to have an internal laundry then we are forced to wash our dirty linen by the public river!
In the last month I have referred two situations privately to two Irish bishops.
They have not even acknowledged my letters!!!
What about a certain seminarian in the Irish College Rome that was in an openly gay relationship about 7 years ago with a guy from the North.
ReplyDeleteRome must be a hideaway!
Pat you have more bigger fish to fry so get fishing!!
I have the oil.
DeleteYou provide the fish!
But maybe he should know his plaice first...
Deletereel him in
DeleteWhat if he turns out to be a cod...
DeleteIt'll all turn out to be a red herring.. You'll see!
DeleteKing Puck and Gorgeous were passed by Maynooth to be ordained in June 2016.
ReplyDeleteIts now Oct - Nov 2017 and they are still not ordained.
If they were "suitable" 18 months ago what has happened?
It's just the usual delaying tactics employed by the bishops. They wait till the dust settles, take their heads out off the sand and carry on as usual. The difference this time is that there can be no more business as usual.
DeleteIf Browne ordains Puck there will be major fall out in Kerry and way beyond.
DeleteMajor fallout in Kerry? Yeah maybe.. for about five minutes... if the Kerry team weren't playing that Sunday...
DeleteWhat bothers me here is "secret ordination" if such should be the case. Sean Jones is not the only one with an (alleged) past. The thing is where is he up to now. It may well be that a celibate lifestyle which was signed up to at Diaconate is not the best way for him to grow in ministry. If Ray Browne is going the route of nudge nudge wink wink its time for the covers to be removed. Perhaps mainstream media should be involved.
ReplyDeleteThe Church still has ways to threaten and silence mainstream media.
DeleteWhat ways?
DeleteLoss of job. Legal threats. Being banned from church media conferences. Family pressure etc.
DeleteDon't expect any support from the Irish Times Pat. They published a eulogy about their "finest", Tom Humphries, after he was jailed for two and a half years for manipulating, defiling and engaging in hardcore sexual acts with an underage girl.
DeleteIrish society is sick as a whole. And the Church is leading by "example".
Most young people bypass the mainstream media and all their same old politically correct nonsense anyway.
Thank God for the internet and blogs such as yours Pat, where we can access the truth.
An Ordination should be a very public occasion of joy.
DeleteHow would the Little Brothers of the Oratory deal with a situation like this should a prospective Little Brother be discovered on Grindr or Caffmos? I wonder.
ReplyDeleteWe don't know how this group of two would deal with this situation simply because we are not being told who they actually are! I was speaking yesterday to a friend in a Monastic community who seems to know this Brother Jim. His advice was - avoid at all costs and a danger waiting to happen after having experience of him. I think being an ex monastic tailor as you quoted on an earlier blog rather gave the game away.
DeleteYes, I agree with 12.15. I think Br.Jim is an accident waiting to happen. Just read carefully his contributions of past few days. There is something not quite "right" about his understanding and insights.....Ex monks/priests who were individualistic and full of "ideas" are often troublesome.
DeleteTwo blokes sharing a house in Larne... Can't for the life of me see what all the fuss is about..
DeleteThese two lads obviously were in the wrong place. That does not mean they will be in the wrong place. I'm sure plenty of people thought I was a disaster in seminary; but today I'm happily married. People may appear to be a disaster because they are in the wrong place.
DeleteI wish these little brothers all the best.
Dunno... Probably buy a second computer to avoid hanging around waiting their turn..
DeletePat, should Puck fail to undergo the “ laying on of hands” - the bishops that is, perhaps his place in that presbyterate could by taken by the transfer of the Dean Emeritus of Belfast Dr Hugh Kennedy. Just a suggestion
ReplyDeletePat everyone knows Xxx xxx went to you with all the dirt after he was caught and kicked out for being in a 'secret' relationship.
DeleteI find it interesting reading the comments that have been posted on the blog the last few days. To me it seems that a lot of people need something better to do. There is so much negativity and gossip that it makes me want to vomit.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry +Pat but you've allowed this to turn into a cesspool of unproductive verbal diarrhea. I think its time you stopped publishing posts from people using 'anonymous.' Its a cowards way of hiding behind a screen making slanderous remarks, questioning everyone but themselves, and making inflammatory judgments.
Pat end the reign of Casper the unfriendly ghosts (anonymous posts)
Mr Kiwi Kevin (or whatever the hell you call yourself) endorsed this Jim fellow a few days ago with very eloquent words. You are a hypocrite because I just checked you out in N. Zealand. You are taking a year out you claim from teaching -right. You want to endorse this Jim because you are both ex Seminarians/ or monks. Pat, I've never been a fan of yours but don't walk into this one. The last time you walked into a situatoin nearly cost you your freedom. Think on. There is much you do not know about this situation and much that hasn't been truthfully revealed to you.
Delete14:59 If you know anything about these men please publish it here or email me on bishopbuckley1@outlook.com
DeletePs: or anyone else knows something let me know.
Delete@ Casper 14:59
DeleteI am not sure how I am a hypocrite given that I have stated my name and told you all to google me if you really want. Make sure you use google.co.nz to get the best results.
I welcome any scrutiny of my character and I refer you to my school website back home to assure you that I am still on staff there and that they do await my return from a years leave of absence: http://www.stpeterspn.school.nz/staff-directory.html
It is common in New Zealand for people to go overseas for a year or two in their earlier years, and given that in my early twenties I was in a seminary my OE has been postponed to slightly later at the old age of 30. Below is also the link for the school newsletters download the June 23rd Newsletter and in the Principals news third paragraph in it confirms that I have a years leave etc: https://www.stpeterspn.school.nz/news-information.html
For any questions regarding my suitability to teach I also refer you to contact the college or otherwise the New Zealand Education Council and below is the link to my registration which shows my status just make sure you type the surname UDY (If there are any questions about you it is either unconfirmed, suspended or provisional): https://educationcouncil.org.nz/search-the-register
Also to make it clear I am on a years leave from position in NZ as Director of Religious Studies and member of the Senior Leadership Team and am teaching in the UK. Full UK DBS clearance and everything as the same in NZ.
If you do have any concerns about my time in the seminary I suggest you contact Most Rev Charles Drennan DD the Bishop of Palmerston North who has my files on record, and I am sure would be more than happy to reassure you of my mental stability, my strength of character, my intellectual capacity and also my orthodoxy.
Yes I do know Jim from when we studied together many years ago and would have no reservations in supporting whatever endeavor he undertakes. I would not and do not endorse Jim simply because we are ex seminarians together, for there are several seminarians I would never endorse nor support for various reasons. I have met +Pat several times and I am sure he can assure you that I appear to be mentally well and of sound character.
So thanks again Casper and I suggest that maybe before you again jump to outrageous conclusions you get your facts correct or know a person before you cast judgement. I have shared my thoughts on Br Jim a man I have had the pleasure of knowing for more than a decade and I call a good friend. I have also pointed out that I think it is weak to hide behind 'anonymous' as a post and personally feel such anonymity shows a cowardice and Aristotle would certainly agree it lacks the virtue of courage. It is easy to slag someone off, make character assassinations and slanderous statements when you hide behind a screen.
I wonder Casper would you be so kind as to state who you actually are? In NZ we would call that basic manners, however I notice on this blog a marked difference between the manners and kindness of the many people I have met both in Ireland and the UK in my travels and several of those who post on here.
+Pat would you mind performing an exorcism on the blog, it seems that there are a lot of not so friendly ghosts on here all called 'anonymous' who could do with the spiritual healing.
Kieran, you do yourself no favours in that long, very defensive post at 16.19. Having read posts from Br. Jim and yourself I'm not at all convinced about your proposed Little Brothers project. Initially I was supportive in my comments but now there is too much "lecturing" and "sermonising" from both of you. I am also disappointed with your remarks about Irish customs versus your home town's customs. You and Jim are doing too much talking, boasting of your C.V's and a little too dismissive and condescending to give me any further trust in your vision for a new expression of Christian community.
DeleteKieran the Kiwi... not exactly the same as publishing a name. More so an anonymous handle. But it may be nice to have consistency in use of handles.
DeletePeace to you.
CR
Pat, has it not occurred to you that Kieran does not intend to stay in Ireland and this venture of the Little Brothers may provide some accommodation and a pleasant enough dalliance for a few months.But what then? You will not have a stable situation but rather a headache of upheaval. Kieran has, by his own admission a job in NZ from which he has time-limited leave. I have no idea whether "Br. Jim" can promise any more longevity of tenure? Do you own the house or can you be at ease if you are left with debts? If you DO own the house, you may one day wish to rent it to completely different tenants - - perhaps a family? So make sure you have studied the conveyancing law for N Ireland and in particular all aspects of "squatters rights" should you wish at some future stage, to try to
Deleterecover control and use of your property. A Friend.
Kieran is NOT one of the two founding brothers (3 with me)
DeleteHis plans don't affect us.
Does Kieran know that? Ha ha.. Give it time... He is showing an interest and is recommending an "old friend". Enough to be going on with in any body's book..
DeleteI think with situations like Pat's new Brothers, it migh'nt be any harm for once to state the bleedin' obvious that - Everything goes great, fine and dandy until the moment it all starts to go wrong big time. Then people show you their other face!
DeleteCR doesn’t seem to have read KtheK’s posts where he gives his full name.
DeleteMethinks friend Kieran is finding out that the people here are not as naive as all those leprechaun tales would lead you to believe! And that Pat has perhaps earned a little more trust than it first appeared...
ReplyDeleteDo not ignore the soothsayer who told you that in the new logo he/she saw "the sword piercing the heart"
DeleteIs sorrow to be the inevitable outcome then?
@ Anonymous 14:40 (Casper 2)
DeleteI am not talking about people being naive and I would expect Irish people to be well informed, intellectually capable and kind people. With the great history of Irish academics some of whom have come to NZ I have never thought of the Irish people as naive or like leprechaun's. I apologize if somehow I have given you that impression for it was never my intention.
What I do find disingenuous is the amount of 'anonymous' posts which in NZ we would say putting your name to a letter, email or post is just common courtesy. I accept different societies have different customs. However I don't think the 'anonymous' posts on here are reflective of normal manners or practice in the UK or Ireland. Whenever I read the Irish and British Newspapers online nearly all comments come with a name attached. Occasionally a name is omitted but this is the exception not the norm.
Anyway all the best Casper 2 and I'll remember you in my rosary this evening.
Thank you. Pat, whether he knows it or not - - and I suspect he does--receives blog posts from readers all over the world. The wonders of modern technology, eh!
DeleteKieran the Kiwi I know all about you and why you needed to take time awat from N. Zealand. Does anyone wonder why you protest so much about anonymous posts on here. It's a small world now because of the Web and your defence of Jim. It's a can of worms sexually and something I can reveal to the Press and you Buckley are in the middle of it
DeletePat, we require an immediate response to comment at 19.30. This is serious. I guessed recently on analysing comments by Br.Jim, Kevin and yourself that there is something not quite adding up. I hope not but this story is now harming you and your Little Brothers ....Tell us the truth about what you know and your reaction to some unfavourable comnents today. Remember you believe in transparency!!!!
Deletexxxxxxxxxx and xxxxxxxx were both ordained in Killaloe without any fallout despite their secret past of not being celibate in formation. In fact xxxxxxx was evicted from both The xxxxxxxxxx and from Maynooth and ordained anyway. Let us face a reality, there has always been men ordained with questionable pasts and needy bishops. If a man were to cheat on his fiance, get a second chance and honour his later vows is that a man doomed, a man unable to regain his good name?? Or is it up to us to allow some little bit of space for forgiveness and mercy. Puck has a past. He has an awful media manager. But has he something to offer? Perhaps he does
Both remain non-chaste too.
DeleteA lot of bad example is what he "has to offer". It time we had a bit more self respect.
ReplyDeletePat, the Little Brothers of the Oratory is at this moment, while still in its infancy, is tarnished by the utter confusion contained in comments by Br. Jim, Kieran and yourself. The inherent contradictions, restricted information,shrouded in secrecy and the mystery re: "founders" is all very disconcerting. It leaves me feeling very suspicious and concerned that it is ill thought tgriugh. Are yiu yourself going to be in the community? How is it to be financed? I think yiu shiukd apply the dictum - "caveat emotor" - arising out of Br. Jim's & Kevin's contributions. There is too much judgment on us poor Irish leprechauns!!
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ReplyDeleteGet a life 19:19
DeleteI love when brendan wears his adidas gear around the seminary. so hot
DeleteFor people today who take trouble to say what "cute hoor" means, thank you very much. Is a clever way to say person is not to be trusted. I get it now.
ReplyDeleteI really don’t know why you official Catholics have to make life so difficult for yourselves. I’ve just looked at the web page of an A-C shrine church in the USA. Women priests are now accepted, prayers are offered for the husband of a male, mention is made of a priest’s husband. One gets the impression that all this is settled and that these Episcopalians are making the best of the mess of life.
ReplyDeleteAs an old fuddy dud I’m not sure I approve of these changes, but they have me thinking. Vox Dei...?
Seraphim+
S. Paul K Street? The Assistant Pastor lives with his partner "Todd"
DeleteHave to agree with Seraphim @ 19:32. The ACP desired church already exists: The CofI, CofE, Episcopalians. Do Catholics who remain and feel hard done by stay cos they think the RCC is the One, True Church?
DeleteThe end of the Radio Kerry News item is interesting:
ReplyDelete"The diocesan statement says that the seminarians have a right to privacy and to speak publicly about an individual’s journey for the priesthood seems invasive and inappropriate."
- It makes the diocese sound so sensitive and concerned about the welfare of the three seminarians in question. Granted, they do have a right to privacy, but what a hypocritical thing to come from the diocesan office. How concerned was +Browne for the welfare of his seminarians when he was kicking the three seminarians without good reason. And +Browne isn't the only one carrying on like that - a bishop in the west recently kicked out one of his seminarians basically because he could.
It certainly makes you question whether these guys actually want priests - they go on about the shortage of priests and having more priest-less parishes, but yet they throw decent men out and don't feel any obligation to explain the decision to the faithful who are being deprived of genuine vocations.
20:47
DeleteYou don’t know what you are talking about.
Where ignorance is bliss.....
Pat, my mother was on the Kerry diocese pilgrimage to Lourdes in September. Puck was there larger than life and dressed in clerics leading the singing.
ReplyDeleteHave you had a look at the Kerry diocese Facebook page lately? It's like a worthy NGO. It's obsessed with recycling and other ecological matters, with virtually no references to Jesus and no mention of Puck at all. Kerry has been ill-served by its bishop if three seminarians for a priest-starved diocese are told they wasted five years of their young, prime career building lives and leery Puck gets ordained.
ReplyDeleteEcology is the work of Jesus. It’s not those who say to me ‘Lord, Lord,’ but who do the will of my father....
ReplyDeleteIs Seán Jones the one who's been dismissed after 6 years in formation?
ReplyDeleteNo, but he should be. The press release says that he's a full-time deacon in Kerry diocese.
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ReplyDeleteJust reading this now – tomorrow’s newsletter for Dublin’s Pro-Cathedral says that “On Tuesday 14th November, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin will ordain Deacons James Daly and Bill O’Shaughnessy as Priests for the Archdiocese of Dublin”, so presumably Byrne has been let go. Also, the press release for the Diocese of Kerry mentions a student who has completed 6 years of formation – is that Puck? (the Kalendarium on Maynooth’s website only lists a few Kerry seminarians – his name is not there though because he was not a resident during the 2016-17 academic year, but he could be considered to have completed 6 years of formation). The other two guys who were let go are genuinely nice fellows with a vocation.
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