Saturday, 25 November 2017

SEXUAL ABUSE IN VATICAN PRE SEMINARY

Vatican investigating abuse at pre-seminary
Nov 20, 2017

VATICAN CITY — The Vatican announced it had launched a new investigation into reports about sexual abuse in a pre-seminary for young adolescents run by the Diocese of Como, Italy, but located inside the Vatican.


Bishop Oscar Cantoni of Como - responsible for pre-seminary inside Vatican

Greg Burke, Vatican spokesman, issued a statement Nov. 18 saying that beginning in 2013 when "some reports, anonymous and not," were made, staff of the St. Pius X Pre-Seminary and the bishop of Como both conducted investigations.
"Adequate confirmation was not found" regarding the allegations, which involved students and not staff. Some of the students already had left the pre-seminary when the first investigations were carried out, the statement said.
However, "in consideration of new elements that recently emerged, a new investigation is underway to shed full light on what really happened," the statement said.


NUZZI

In early November, the Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi, whose books based on leaked Vatican documents were at the heart of two Vatican trials, published a new book, "Original Sin." The book included allegations about sexual abuse at the pre-seminary where boys in middle school and high school live. They serve Mass in St. Peter's Basilica and attend a Catholic school in Rome while considering applying to a seminary when they are older.
The allegation in Nuzzi's book about one student abusing another was followed by an investigation by the Italian television program "Le Iene."
In the program, a young Polish man, identified only as 21-year-old Kamil, said he arrived at the pre-seminary at age 13, wanting to be an altar server for the pope. He said he was thinking only vaguely of becoming a priest one day.



Kamil claimed another student, one given responsibility by the rector for determining the liturgical roles of all the students at papal Masses, regularly sexually abused his roommate.
Kamil said the older student would come into their room at night, get into bed with his roommate and abuse him. The alleged abuser was ordained to the priesthood last summer, "Le Iene" reported.

In the program, the roommate is referred to as Marco, who is now 24 years old. He confirmed the allegations Kamil made.

PAT SAYS:


Not only has the sexual rot invaded the Catholic seminaries of the world - including Maynooth and The Irish College in Rome - it is actually happening in the Vatican - almost under Pope Francis' nose.

These revelations about the abuse of the Vatican altar and choir boys is very shocking.

Is it not amazing that the tool the RC Church used to control the Catholic world for centuries has now come back to bit them in the ass?

As someone said:

"SEX WILL BE THE GALILEO OF THE 21ST CENTURY CATHOLIC CHURCH".

They have got it so wrong on sex for so long.


51 comments:

  1. There is a sad pattern here. Enough is enough. The true followers of Christ will survive but I wonder what form the church will take

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    1. The future is an unknown.

      There is a massive cleansing that needs to take place.

      As the old Irish people said: "God writes straight with crooked lines".

      We need to have faith in God, not men.

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    2. The norbertines promised to not act in Ireland for 100 years to disassociate with Brendan Smith and their failures.

      I honestly believe God has made a similar decision with the Irish Church. The faith will survive but the Irish Church is being pruned

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    3. Is that really true about the Norbertines? First time I've heard that.

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  2. I have pulled out of the church, mainly because I don't like new mass or the scandals. My faith in God is not diminished. I still have my morning and evening prayer. I was at a church meeting and someone said that we are very badly served by this lot. There is a lot of anger at parish level.

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    1. You are concentrating on the most important thing - your personal relationship with God.

      It's sad that you have not found a place to worship with your brothers and sisters.

      Personally, I find a need for both - the one to one with God - and the joy of worshipping with others.

      But we are all different.

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    2. Its a paradox. The Church is fractured but Christians need community to survive. Perhaps people should start meeting in each others houses like the New Testament and see what happens

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    3. Yes, I don't care for the new Mass either. I much preferred it in Latin. A surprising number of major saints worshipped that way and it sustained the Irish church for centuries during severe times of trial. The New Mass, the Novus Ordo, emptied the churches.

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    4. 'The New Mass, the Novus Ordo, emptied the churches'? Understatement isn't your forte, is it 13:05?

      IF the churches are being 'emptied', it is because of the ultramontane, authoritarian, clericalist, and paedohile-protecting histories of JPII and the former Nazi, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. Between them, these men did more damage to the Church (and the papacy) than almost any other pope in history.

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    5. I agree totally with Magna Carta on this.

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    6. The emptying of the churches started under Paul VI, long before John Paul II and Benedict XVI. The spirit of Vatican II generation is heading to their graves, not to be replaced, and even the General Audience attendances have slumped under Francis.

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    7. Understatement is hardly your forte either though MC is it? Sigh....

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  3. Yes, scandals of any kind involving minors is totally unacceptable, wrong, criminal and deserving of all condemnation. The perpetrators must be brought to justice and made own their wronful deeds. I trust Pope Francis will ensure this hapens. In iur chyrches today there are stri gent procedures in place for child safeguarding, as in all clubs and organisations. It's sad that the little ones can be so vulnerable around adults. Sad. Thankfully too all psrishes now have a commuttee if lay people who are part of Parish Safeguarding Teams and ensure that all procedures are properly followed. Abuse of any kind within the institutional Church is anathema to the gospel of Christ and an affront to God. The dignity of all must be protected.

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  4. As comments yesterday deduced, the Church is being eviscerated from the inside - literally disemboweled - by wicked, lying, evil men whose only objectives are self-aggrandizement, wanton lust, power and avarice. Their time is limited, however. Do they not realize that they are but a heartbeat away from eternal punishment? Satan, their master, has blinded them to the hurt that they mercilessly cause.

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  5. The Irish clerical body are in a collective sense of denial. I firmly believe that the worst of liars and mercenaries are drawn to the priesthood for all the wrong reasons. Men bereft of consciences who present themselves as saints but are really ravenous dogs who feast on widows' pensions and the Estates of lifelong faithful catholics.

    I do pity the decent, good seminarians and priests who have to navigate through what is now a rancid institution.

    And what about poor Jesus in the Eucharist? Who has to be handled by such soiled and unfaithful hands.

    May God have mercy on us. It is no wonder this country is gone down the drain considering we have so many corrupt clergy.

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    1. Things are very bad and very few are trying to do anything about it.

      The Irish Bishops, whose job it is to rescue the situation are either turning a blind eye, covering up, compromised or formerly compromised.

      I do not know if Rome is doing anything. But they have their own problems.

      "There is neither priest or prophet to ply his trade in the land".

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    2. Pat 11.34. Your attempts to play "prophet" and "revolutionary renewer" hasn't exactly excited the nation. I don't see your enlightenment or efforts sparkling the landscapes with new communities or bright colours. Like any form of religion or faith, you have very limited appeal. But until I witness the arrival of real, transforming alternatives, I'll stay with my Church and continue - quietly, humbly - to renew myself first and then effect new life in others. This approach I find bears more dividends than pretending to be "outraged" but doing nothing positive - except criticise.

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    3. 16:55, calling oneself humble, as you did, is as much self-conceit as self-deceit.

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    4. 11.09. Very overstated. Sweeping, unverifiable statements do not help in any meaningful, relevant way, except to continue insinuating that clergy as a group are "corrupt". While some have caused irreparable damage and harm, our priests and religious generally are good people. That's been my experience through my school work and community involvement. So, let's give credit where and when it's due. Also, most clergy and religious do their work faithfully and quietly. They rarely look for spotlights to be forever shining on their efforts.

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    5. @16:55 Pat is doing a most important job in exposing much of the corruption in the church. The only thing darkness fears is the light of exposure.

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  6. In the dark night of St John of the Cross, the light of God's love shines on the soul. Suddenly the soul is aware of it's sinfulness and sordidness and feels great pain and self horror. I think the church is going through something similar.

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  7. Oh what self-righteousness shines through the posts above. It's all THEIR fault whoever THEY are. The sinfuls deeds of child abuse is found in every church in every sporting organisation and most horribly in families. The abusers are folk like you and me not aliens from another planet. The fact that some of these people infiltrated the church is saddening and shocking, but I'm afraid as long as the church is made up of human beings that is likely to happen. Instead of a Pharisaical washing of our hands we should rather commit to change - to ensure that abusers are bought to justice and victims cherished and cared for. If you go in search of a church without sinners I wish you luck. If you find it let us all know. Meantime I will stick with the church and do everything in my small orbit to ensure that such shameful deeds are rooted out.

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    1. Wrong answer 11:41 with the usual church-defensive trite hackneyed response regarding child abuse i the family and we are all sinners,etc, etc, etc.

      Priests and seminarians are called to be masters of truth and virtue - so please do not even try to put them on a level footing with any one else.

      You seem to have no idea of the damage caused by the deviants in collars. No idea!

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  8. Sean Cardinal Brady should be on the child protection register and living a secluded life in a monastery, instead of literally pontificating around Armagh archdiocese conferring Confirmation so that Amy's free to feast on sticky buns in Derry.

    I see that the Clogher Confirmation schedule is posted on the diocesan website. In the past Confirmation was an occasion and often the only time a layperson saw a bishop. Now the bishops are too lazy and send out Canons and PPs instead. Joe Duffy could Confirm, and heir elect Joe McGuinness has time to go to Episcopal Conference meetings in Gaynooth, Ad Limina visits to Rome, inductions of PPs and press conferences on memorials, but too busy for Confirmation.

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    1. This happened in Scotland and the Bishops were told by Rome it is their First Duty so If you know any Bishop that is letting Clergy do confirmations write to Cardinal Robert Sarah at the Vatican. the Bishop's of Scotland are now doing them in Clusters a few parishes at once so Please write to Cardinal Sarah and copy it to the Papal Nuncio it is Canon law. PS unless the Bishop is ill then a FELLOW Bishop can do it NOT a member of Clergy or Vicar General

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    2. The Clergy should NOT be doing Confirmations the Metropolitian The Archbishope should be doing it I hope Bishop McDaid has asked and informed Rome he cannot do Confirmations and they will inform him to get a Brother Bishop report him to the Holy See the Department for Disciple of worship and the Holy Sacraments cardinal Robert Sarah as soon as possible

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    3. 15.05: Utter rubbish. So badly written. But complete, meaningless drivel. You haven't a clue.....

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    4. RE 15.05 I certainly have a clue with a personal letter from Archbishop Roche Cardinal Sarah Secretary please be assured by Cano Law that it is the duty of the Bishop and if he cannot do confirmation he seeks approval from the holy see who will inform him to get a Brother Bishop every Bishop in Scotland now doing them in clusters. it is Canon law.

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    5. as you will See Bishop McDaid has resigned on health grounds but he should be now informing the Holy See even via Papal nuncio that he is too ill to do them and Archbishop E. Martin will be told to do them it is Canon Law.

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    6. Code of Canon Law 879 -896 for all to see and Cardinal Robert Sarah is the one to write to if this is NOT happening
      THE MINISTER OF CONFIRMATION

      Can. 882 The ordinary minister of confir-mation is a bishop; a presbyter provided with this faculty in virtue of universal law or the special grant of the competent authority also confers this sacrament validly.

      Can. 883 The following possess the faculty of administering confirmation by the law itself:

      1/ within the boundaries of their jurisdiction, those who are equivalent in law to a diocesan bishop;

      2/ as regards the person in question, the presbyter who by virtue of office or mandate of the diocesan bishop baptizes one who is no longer an infant or admits one already baptized into the full communion of the Catholic Church;

      3/ as regards those who are in danger of death, the pastor or indeed any presbyter.

      Can. 884 §1. The diocesan bishop is to administer confirmation personally or is to take care that another bishop administers it. If necessity requires it, he can grant the faculty to one or more specific presbyters, who are to administer this sacrament.

      §2. For a grave cause the bishop and even the presbyter endowed with the faculty of confirming in virtue of the law or the special grant of the competent authority can in single cases also associate presbyters with themselves to administer the sacrament.

      Can. 885 §1. The diocesan bishop is ob-liged to take care that the sacrament of confir-mation is conferred on subjects who properly and reasonably seek it.

      §2. A presbyter who possesses this faculty must use it for the sake of those in whose favor the faculty was granted.

      Can. 886 §1. A bishop in his diocese legitimately administers the sacrament of confirmation even to faithful who are not his subjects, unless their own ordinary expressly prohibits it.

      §2. To administer confirmation licitly in another diocese, a bishop needs at least the reasonably presumed permission of the diocesan bishop unless it concerns his own subjects.

      Can. 887 A presbyter who possesses the faculty of administering confirmation also confers this sacrament licitly on externs in the territory assigned to him unless their proper ordinary prohibits it; he cannot confer it validly on anyone in another territory, without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 883, n. 3.

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    7. Should an Abbot be doing Confirmations?

      https://www.facebook.com/pg/saintmichaelsabbey/posts/?ref=page_internal

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    8. 20:11, what a legalistic, Pharisaical, man-made crock!

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    9. Magna, just found a new word to describe you - "crock" - as used by you at 23.47. CROCK - simply the right adjective in the inanity of your childish responses.

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    10. Apologies, I thought the link shared would be direct. Scroll down to May 2nd. :-)

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  9. Anon @ 11:41: a major factor in the whole issue is one emphasised both here and widely elsewhere in the media, namely the RC church's institutional failures to take appropriate protective, disclosure and redress actions and its self serving/protective cover ups in virtually every instance of revelation of clerical abuse.
    That's the central fact which incurs disgust additional to the individual abuses of clerics. And Anon @ 13:06 is absolutely right that the abusing behaviour of clerics is completely at odds with a position supposedly setting an example of virtuous living.
    MMM

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    1. They did not protect the lambs from the wolves.

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  10. Pat, I am feeling despondent at this stage. You promised you would let us know more about the Little Brothers of the Oratory so I could perhaps pay a visit to them before Christmas.
    You promised you would give us more details. I can only conclude that you don't want anyone to visit and I am doubting whether they exist at all....

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    1. No need to be despondent. I have written a Blog about it which will be published at Midnight tonight :-)

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  11. At 11:41
    Well said!

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  12. It is disingenuous to picture Oscar Cantoni on the webpage when he only took over the diocese in 2016. Much of the blame here lies with his predecessor Diego Colette and more importantly Cardinal Comastri who is the Vicar for the vatican City State. Cantoni is known as a very good pastor and has an excellent record as bishop of Crema before being moved to Como. This has to be said, for fairness.

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  13. Magna at 18.53. I wouldn't ever expect you to agree with any person who is faithful to his/her Catholic faith despite all the challenges, failings and abuse caused to many by Church Institutions. I stand by my own personal experience. Neither would I expect you to agree with any priest - a group for whom your hatred is well narrated. My use of the words "quietly" and "humbly" are used in the context that most people who do good, inspired by their faith - and they are a huge constituency - do so without drama or the glare of spotlight. They are the true heroes/heroines who constantly inspire me in my work. I thank God for these people who inspire - among them priests and religious. Magna, you have little capacity for empathy, compassion - and dare I say, "quiet humility" !! Surprise our expectations by saying something uplifting and inspiring.

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    1. Try harder to inform yourself about me, 21:41: I don't hate priests, but I do hate, without equivocation, Roman Catholic theology of priesthood, which makes demi-gods of mere men. This evil is the source, inspiration, encouragement and promotion of clericalism in the Church.

      As for inspiring your 'expectations' of me, how can I? You've made it clear that these are entirely negative. You really don't expect anything positive of me, so how can I oblige such prejudice?

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    2. Says MC, the man whose prejudices jaundice virtually everything he writes here.

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    3. Isn't it sad and pathetic that a supposed "learned" man, Magna, displays such immaturity in most of his comments. He cannot accept criticism. And he deserves the opprobrium dished out to him for his silliness in commentary, his intolerance but mostly for his tiresome tirades against all who see life more fully than he does. Magna, keep your poisonous rants to yourself. We're bored with your predictability and inner angst. Maybe you might join the Little Brothers in Larne, now that they've opened their monastery! Then again, your mood swings would be intolerable.

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  14. Magna, one virtue thst's in very scarce supply in your heart is the gift of humility. You're too deeply embedded in your own blind arrogance and unresolved personal issues.

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    1. Your criticism of me, 21:45, suggests that you have 'the gift of humility' in cornucopic abundance, er, which means that you don't possess it at all (since genuine humility does not boast its presence.😆).

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    2. Got it! And there was me thinking MC's hatred (actually jealousy) were for priests! How could I have been so foolish? Magna, my sincere apologies. I now understand that your envy is for the episcopacy and its ways - deny, evade,bluster, etc.

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  15. 15.03
    So why didn’t he sort out by root and branch the moment he arrived ?

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  16. Magna claiming not to hate priests, rofl. Does this mean he's admitting to several different people writing his comments here? - He certainly hasn't read them himself!

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  17. Shut up 10.21 and refer to posts not the poster.
    Pat why are u continuing to break the rules here.
    Please do not print any posts referring to the poster Magna, it is so unfair of you

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