Friday, 15 December 2017

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Church using police to try and silence me, claim Buckley

Bishop Pat Buckley claims Catholic Church is trying to use PSNI against him


By Eamon Sweeney
December 13 2017
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A controversial Catholic cleric has accused the hierarchy of the Church in Ireland of using the PSNI to conduct a vendetta against him over an online religious affairs blog he runs.


Larne-based independent Bishop Pat Buckley said that a potential case against him involving accusations of incitement to hatred has been dropped, but the 11-month long saga has convinced him that his former Church is attempting to silence him by closing the site down.
"I run a blog called 'Thinking Catholicism', which is critical of the Catholic Church hierarchy and they don't like it," Bishop Buckley told the Belfast Telegraph. On the 6th of January this year Archbishop Eamon Martin reported a comment made on the blog to the PSNI as incitement to hatred. This comment wasn't made by me, but someone who comments on the blog.
"It involved scandals in the Catholic Church, namely the 'gay sex scandal' at Maynooth. It was something like 'a flamethrower should be taken to the lot of them'. It was figurative language. No one would have thought this was to be taken literally.
"So, on January 17 I was interviewed under caution at Larne police station by two officers and was told I would be informed whether or not I would be prosecuted within 14 days. The police told me that I had nothing to worry about and I wouldn't be prosecuted. But, despite repeated requests, it took 11 months before I received a decision from the Public Prosecution Service.
"The police were sent to my home on three separate occasions about three different blogs after that. There are people out there, probably pro-Catholic Church people, who do not like the blog and who are using the PSNI to close the blog down.
"Depending on the topic being discussed, there are between 4,000 and 15,000 people on the site each day. It's quite clearly a waste of police time."
Bishop Buckley was pressed by the Belfast Telegraph on whether he was sure that he had been told the identity of the complainant by the PSNI.
He said: "Archbishop Eamon Martin sent the Church's child protection officer Aidan Gordon to the police station to make the complaint even though there were no child protection issues involved in this. I suppose if you stretch his job description this complaint would fall under a kind of safeguarding in regard to this complaint."
When this allegation was put to the PSNI, it said: "Police received a complaint in relation to content posted on a blog in January, 2017. A file was sent to the Public Prosecution Service in relation to the matter in March, 2017."
The PPS said: "The PPS can confirm that a file relating to this case was received from police in February, 2017.
"After careful consideration of all the available evidence, the test for prosecution was applied in line with the PPS code for prosecutors. It has been decided not to prosecute anyone in relation to this incident on the basis that the case did not pass the evidential test."
Bishop Buckley added: "It was a worry that elements in the Catholic Church used the PSNI to target me. It could start a fashion that is very unhealthy in terms of freedom of speech etc, particularly over the Maynooth issue."

The Belfast Telegraph contacted the Catholic Church for a response on numerous occasions by phone and email over a number of days, but received no reply.

PAT SAYS:
So, Amy Martin sent Aidan Gordon who is reportedly paid close to £100,000 per year to report this Blog to the police.

Obviously, the police have to look into every complaint and make a decision in conjunction with the PPS.
ELEVEN MONTHS later I have been informed that there is no case to answer.
The purpose of Amy's plan was to try and shut down this Blog because it has exposed sexual scandals both in Maynooth and indeed Amy's own diocese.
The message is: "DON'T LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE - ATTACK THE MESSAGE".
Quite rightly it has failed.
I believe that Amy & Co have waster police time.
And not only that.
When the BELFAST TELEGRAPH asked Amy for a comment it was met with complete silence - in other words, CONTEMPT.
These folk think thatthey are a law unto themselves.
The sooner they have NO INFLUENCE whatsoever on both sides of the border the better.



79 comments:

  1. Pat, we've read all this before. Totally boring. You are an attention seeker. Again - "it's everyone else who's wrong... " attitude. Get a grip on real, meaningful work Pat. It's about time you became a responsibe, mature person.

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    1. You don't know what I do everyday.

      This article was in the Bel Tel 48 hours ago.

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  2. Finally you have shown your hand. The mask has slipped.
    "The sooner they have NO INFLUENCE whatsoever on both sides of the border the better." You are truly a paranoid hater of Catholocism.

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    1. Church and state should be totally separated.

      I love Christian Catholicism.

      I abhor Catholic abuse and corruption.

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    2. Pat, we truly despair that you learn nothing - that you are just not capable of taking in new facts which don't co-incide with your present deeply ingrained prejudices.
      I and many other academics have explained on this blog to you, time and time again, the very real reasons why it a total illusion that Church and State can operate as completely independent identities. They CANNOT. It is an impossibility..
      We have given detailed examples on previous occasions to try and make you understand why and in what way the difficulties would present themselves.
      I have neither the time, nor the energy to write all those issues again now in such detail and I fear it would be a waste of time anyway. . When you think more carefully or search back to when the topic of Church and State were discussed before now on the blog, you might begin to delve below that superficial assumption. (I don't know if you're capable of that effort and patience.)
      Maybe some other mature sociologist will help you move forward on that one.. I have honestly done my best several times and given real examples of where the "separate theory" comes unstuck and falls apart. I couldn't believe it when I saw that you had written it down again above this morning - but there it was, large as life!

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    3. Thank you for trying.

      Should we at least not keep the separation of church and state as an ideal to be striven for?

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    4. Pat, you have only surface, shallow insights which are a "sham" and have only one pyrpise - to inculcate in others even more deeply your contempt and disdain for Catholicism. Would you find something worthwhile to do! This preoccupatiin with yourself is tiresome. Get a grip on reality.

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    5. 11:39, it is separation of INSTITUTIONAL church and state that is the issue, not such separation of 'church' in its broadest (and most definitive) sense.

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    6. That other poster was right, Pat. It would bring about lots of unforeseen bad and unwanted consequences. That is... even trying to bring it about would be full of unforeseen snares and absurdities... naturally enough... Because as he says it is not truly possible and even if it were partially possible, we would have the worst elements of what the old Communist Russia was like before the Iron Curtain fell. I can understand that poster's frustration as people keep saying blithely "Separate Church and State" without any deep study of the consequences.( Deeper investigation makes a person finally see that it is not truly possible.. but more than that! - - it's definitely a question of be careful what you ask for in case you get it.
      I remember a university professor telling the old story of Midas, the king who craved gold and wished that everything he touched would turn to gold.His wish was granted! Wonderful! Now there would be enough to endow the world with riches and no poverty. What an ideal.
      But sadly, within a very short time, he, himself died of starvation and thirst as every drop and morsel turned to hard gold on touching his lips.
      Only a fable, said the professor, but the moral of the story is true and real.
      No matter how great you envisage the "ideal" of your plans and systems, you MUST take into account the unforeseen.. often VERY unforeseen consequences.. until you are trying to explain them away perhaps in a Court room or election result..before you make a drastic change or choice. . Fool's gold..

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  3. Amy Martin has made a total tit of himself (and his piggy nose), not to mention the insttutional Irish Catholic Church. Am I sad over this? Watch my face:😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

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    1. Your post "Daft Eddy" contains an objectionable personal remark and for that reason no credence should be given to anything you say.

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    2. LOL...so that’s you tawl aff, Eddie
      LOL

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    3. There is so much common ground between churches and states, as the posters above have claimed, especially that their respective membership are almost the same people, that surgical separation is not desirable or possible.

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    4. You are right, poster 22.24
      and also I foresee real difficulties down the line if, for example, we should end up with a popular crowd voted into government but with the judgement and morality of alley cats.. How can we guarantee respect and guidance would continue for our vulnerable and impressionable children in schools? No moral compass and anything goes.. Are we sure that's what we really want? - Because as sure as hell we'll outdo Midas and get it! We have already had a few wise and thoughtful posters on today and I agree with them and more..

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  4. Waste of Police time and resources. I wonder if you have ammo for a possible prosecution seeing all the stuff that has been thrown at you by some through the years. Still tis the season and all of that. There is always the issue of justice in the background.

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  5. Sad too that some in charge of large organisations like the church can sometimes come across as ill equipped to run the organisation. If you're going to drive an artic truck get the proper license

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  6. Thinking Catholicism has been saved to my bookmarks for ages now. I love clicking on to see what those outrageous pulpit pooves have been up to next and I am seldom disappointed.

    I also like the Strictly, Come Dancing spoiler site that reveals the result late Saturday night, instead of having to wait until the so-called Sunday results show.

    The Catholic Church and the BBC will go to great lengths to try and maintain their illusions, but the internet is too big... even for them.

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  7. 10.31 What a loudmouth gossip you are! Trawling this blog for any sleaze or scandal you admit yourself. How sad and patethic person you must be. You continually use the words "poove" and "pooves" which don't exist. You have also used the word "pooftahs" which is a deeply offensive, totally ignorant, antiquated and bigoted word. To use offensive terms like these can also be deemed criminal in today's society just like if derogatory terms were similarly used against someone's race, creed or colour. It should be denounced.

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  8. They don't like the light you shine into dark places Pat keep up the good work. The haters are out in force today!

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    1. I also see some bloggers "out today" who are advocating balance and good judgement and love for their fellow men.

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  9. In fairness to Amy he's done something about Rory and Eamonn probably afraid of who you will expose next.

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    1. What has he done? Come on. He has sent them off on an all expenses trip to Americky fir sex addiction treatment when he should have had them laicised. Tgey are grossly unfit for ministry. So is Eamon Martin.

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  10. Denounced from an altar would be good

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    1. Denounced from an altar..?? Except that you and many others wouldn't be present to hear the sermon by the sound of you...

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    2. Oh yes I do be present15.41...and yes I do think it would be hilarious to hear your tirades denounced from the altar.

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    3. NO.. You @ 16.37 do not "be present". I doubt if you fully understand the import of that expression.

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  11. The remark that caused the furore, if I remember correctly, was for you, Pat, to keep your “spiritual flamethrower” focused on Ara Coeli and it was so obviously meant to be not taken literally. It was to do with the exposure of scandal in Armagh with Rory Coyle and Gaynooth related issues. Éamon Martin has made an eejit of himself with this carry on. Rather than deal with scandals he plays silly beggars. Police should charge him with wasting their time!

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  12. Very little Pat. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time raking up dirt and having self-pity. Then, you have time on your hands - no parish, no congregation, no school work, no sick calls, no administration or pastoral responsibilities....Do you get the message..?

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    1. My blog takes an hour a day.

      The WORLD is my parish.

      I have a regular congregation with people from Larne, Belfast, Ballymena etc.

      I regularly take Communion to the sick.

      I am in hospitals every week.

      I have loads of admin.

      I have varied pastoral responsibilities.


      I do not have time to give blow jobs at the Giants Ring or the A1.

      I do not cruise the North Coast beaches.

      I do not cottage the toilets.

      I do not go to gay saunas.

      I do not bed seminarians and priests.

      I do not anally rape older men in presbyteries.

      I do not steal men's underwear.

      I do not show my Willy on the internet.

      I am not on Grindr.

      I do not cheat parish funds.

      I do not make parishioners pregnant.

      I do not go to bed in the afternoons.

      I do not live in a £4 million palace.

      I do not charge £1000 for annulments.

      I do not live with a boyfriend away from my presbytery.

      I do not have afternoon sex with my housekeeper.

      I do not bully teachers, parents and school children.

      I do not kiss a bishops ass.

      AND have managed to celebrate 4000+ marriages and blessings around the world.

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    2. ... or lying naked on your bed hoping to be boned by anybody. (You forgot that one!)

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    3. Oh no, poster 15.33.he didn't "forget" that one because....!

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    4. @14:55

      Of course, ++Martin should not have reported the blog, but, apart from not going to bed in the afternoon at his £4 million palace and charging £1,000 for annulments, I am not sure what action ++Martin can take to prevent anything else on the list.

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    5. Pat, apart from the 20 plus "horribe" and "vulgar" things you don't do, is visiting the sick, officiating at weddings (possibly illegal) and praying with 2/3 small groups really that time consuming? What on earth are you doing that's of meaningful relevance? I cannot reconcile your penchant for graphic, sexual language and pornographic imager with your "sacred ministry". I think you've outclassed the gutter journos in your comment at 14.55. The TRUTH spoken by your accusers obviously gets to you! I wouldn't be sending my children to the Oratory or anywhere near your establishment. Incidentally, do the Little Brothers take their spiritual direction from you? God help them....

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    6. If the World is your Parish you might consider going to give my Mother in Law who is dying in New York the Last Rites.

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    7. Of course I would.

      Can you not find a worthy priest in BY?

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    8. It slipped your mind! You conduct sham wedding???
      How could you forget that?

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    9. Bishop Pat was of immense help to me when I texted him with a problem. He phoned me back and was an excellent listener. I told Pat that I was a married father experimenting with Grindr. He was extremely wise about what was going on and asked me to reflect on the effects on the family and on the choices before me. He advocated truth and not harming. I gave up Grindr and went back to the home life.

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    10. There are some dirty b*****s masquerading about!

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  13. Thats a dacent job discription Pat.

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  14. Sounds more like pompous aggrandisement to me... Oh look at me... I am so wonderful compared to the rest of the world.

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  15. Your blogs are the mainstay for many people’s timeout.
    Don’t let these people, who call you,unnerve you Pat.
    I didn’t give them the names I had in my mind.
    It’s christmas

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  16. Aren’t you lucky to have the spellcheck to help you out 15.36.
    And yes Pat is wonderful compared to you.

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    1. 15.59. Pat is full of b""""""t. His CV as he spells out is utterly bizarre. Apart from not being "like the rest of them" (Catholic Priests), he should qualify for sainthood! He wants us to believe his life is an unblemished one. We know it's not. Pat, look within, however difficult and renew yourself. Stop preaching. What an easy life you have compared to the many priests and religious I meet and know and whose lives are given totally for the good of others - all day, every day. And compared to parents - you, dear Pat, have little to worry about!

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    2. So who’s preaching now. ????..

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    3. I don’t think Pat is worrying about anything, at least he doesn’t come across as a worrier.19.06
      If you are a parent, that is your choice.
      Pat is a blogger....Simples.
      And judging by the many who post here, he is very interesting to follow.
      So he isn’t full of whatever that word is you cannot type.

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    4. I don’t agree with Frankie, no need to change words just for the sake of it.
      Years ago words were changed in the mass responses.
      Most of us oldies still say the older responses...so it makes for jumbled up and quite unnecessary ballyhoo.

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    5. 20:04 BY nature and the Grace of God I am not a worried.

      I believe in Providence and am a strong optimist.

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    6. But you DO change words! You decided to call the Pope "Frankie" even though the Pope gives his own Papal name as "Francis"
      Ask yourself why you did that.
      What impression were you trying to create?
      But why was your approach less than successful?
      But the second idea in your post is very successful. Can you see why that is?
      You don't have to be a professional writer to study prose and know what works(though it sometimes can help!)

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  17. Where is the giants ring ?
    Is it near the giants causeway
    And where is the A1 ?

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    1. I think it's a MAP he needs, poor soul.

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    2. Found it on Wikipedia, says 45 mins is the length of time one spend there.
      Suppose that is quick or slow depending on the need.

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    3. (Sadie on the sofa)
      That's an awful night for that poor fella to be lost. The Giant's Ring is nowhere near the Causeway.
      The Giant's Ring is a wee bit outside Belfast..not far from Shaw's Bridge. They used to bury ones there a long time ago. It shows where the burials were done.

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    4. The "need" for what? Doing a quick wee-wee? They say it is a bad place at night.

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    5. 16.05, why don't you call to the Oratory? Pat seems to have a vivid imagination and lots of suggestive ideas to satisfy all needs!!

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    6. Strange replys...I’m not male

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    7. Strange replies indeed...

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    8. Do the Oratory ones answer the door?

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    9. So far the door hasn't spoken...

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  18. Whoops! @ 15.59 Now you produce the perfect own goal. Oh dear... Anyone else have anything "wonderful" to say?Here we go...

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    1. Sorry I’m too thick to follow your “match”
      Ballgames ain’t my scene.

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  19. From today's bel tel on Pope Francis...

    Rejecting any change (in the Lord's Prayer) was the Free Presbyterian Church moderator, the Rev Thomas Murray.

    "I disagree with the Pope on most things," he said. "What he's saying here is the Lord's prayer isn't clear. I disagree with that. it's very clear and God doesn't tempt any man.

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  20. Well - -we would be kind of worried if that particular Free Preby'n minister wrote in in agreement with Pope Francis. That would be a bigger concern!

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    1. We would....lol can u not speak for yourself ?

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  21. Both of us think the same here,... We are sharing opinions and a pizza and trying to keep the peace for one night at least...

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  22. Dublin Diocese published their annual accounts to 31/12/16 on the website.

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    1. That info is availabe for some months! You seem surprised 20.34!! Why? Ask Bishop Buckley to do likewise as all institutions, charities, associations etc... are lawfully obliged to do!!

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    2. Very good! They would not have all their invoices returned to them for 2017 for a few months yet I'd imagine , closer to the start of the financial year. That's the way it's done..

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    3. @21:38 some months? That’s why the AB only signed them as at 21 November ? You must be working for the Diocese if you’ve had the details for months.

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    4. No, no I don't work for the diocese in any way, but I do know from an accountancy point of view, how the financial year works....

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  23. Be careful though, poster @ 19.27
    Too many onions on an evening pizza can have the opposite effect and drive people apart. Onions are good.. first time round...

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  24. 9pm. Now they've finished watching Strictly final up at Gaynooth, I suppose they're now getting ready for the nightshift at the Giant's Ring. Lucky pigs!

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  25. Ha ha poster 20.59
    Geography is not your strong point. If they set out from Gaynooth shortly after 9pm, they should be at the Giant's Ring coming up to or just after 1am. Now that is quite a trip on a winter's night! I doubt if they'll bother..

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  26. Bishop Pat, why don't you tell us how much financial benefit accrued to you from 4000 weddings? That must have earned you a jackpot of money! Who wouldn't want to be a renegade "Bishop" My God - I think i'll resign from my civil service post and join you...Are you the sole breadwinner in your relationship?...

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  27. "Lucky pigs"? Sounds very boaring LOL

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    1. The PSNI endeavour to help both parties work things through, preferably ending up with an amicable solution but if prosecution ought to be happening in order to ensure justice for a victim, then they have a duty to proceed with that prosecution come what may. They are strongly of the opinion that the circumstances are what dictate and influence this decision and not the institution with which they happen to be dealing. It is unacceptable to suggest otherwise. Please do not do it.

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