Saturday, 30 December 2017

IS GORGEOUS JOINING THE GUARDS?

MICHAEL JACK "GORGEOUS" BYRNE

BECAUSE OF THE EVENTS SURROUNDING MAYNOOTH - AND ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER OF 2016 - MICHAEL JACK "GORGEOUS" BYRNE HAS BECOME SOMEWHAT OF A MINI CELEBRITY - AT LEAST IN IRISH CATHOLIC CHURCH CIRCLES. 

While Archbishop Diarmuid Martin removed his seminarians - including Gorgeous - from Maynooth because of "strange goings on" and sent them to The Irish College in Rome - which has its own history of "strange goings on" - that did not dampen the story.

It seems that Dermo was very keen to look after Gorgeous and see to it that he was ordained a priest for the Archdiocese of Dublin.

The latest unconfirmed rumour about Gorgeous is that he is switching the black uniform of a Catholic cleric for the blue uniform of a member of the Garda Siochana. 



If this rumour is true - or if indeed Gorgeous is entering any other profession - we must wish him well.

His sexual orientation is, quite rightly,  a non-issue in most modern professions.

In fact, the Grada have made great strides in recent years to make gay people welcome in the force and nowadays the Garda march in the Dublin Pride parade.



We live in a country, where, thank God, consensual sex between adults is nobody's business.

We also live in a country where gay people can be legally partnered and married.

I hope that Gorgeous finds the love of his like and they are both very happy for many, many years.

In fact, sexual orientation is not really an issue in the Catholic priesthood if one accepts and maintains the promise to be celibate - that is - to be sexually non-active. 

Of course, the consistent Vatican teaching on this matter is that someone with "a deep-seated homosexual orientation" is "disordered" and therefore unsuitable for the seminary and for ordination. 

Most of us would disagree completely with this Vatican position. 

The current problem with the Catholic priesthood is NOT essentially sexual orientation.

The problem is about sexually promiscuous seminarians and priests behaving in an orgiastic fashion and indeed persecuting other seminarians and priests who are not part of the "gay cabal".

And that leads to the secondary problem of the homosexualization of the Catholic priesthood which is not a good thing.

The Catholic priesthood should be representative of the whole Catholic community in which some people have a heterosexual orientation and others have a homosexual orientation but ALL are committed to trying to follow the moral imperatives of the Gospel.

Of course, the rumour of Gorgeous joining the Garda could be a Church PR diversion?

And in all of this let us remember that while Gorgeous may have been no angel - he was in some respects a victim - and was used by other clerics who still remain hidden deep in the shadows!

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And what about that other ecclesiastical mini celeb Sean "King Puck" Jones?

The last we heard of him was that he was moved by Bishop Ray Brown from being a deacon in Listowel Parish to being a deacon at the cathedral in Killarney.

However, if you look at the cathedral website and weekly newsletter you see no mention anywhere of the deacon?

Is it not very strange to have a deacon in a parish and he is not to be found mentioned ANYWHERE on the parish website?

Deacon Jones seems to be missing in action - BUT presumed to be alive!



95 comments:

  1. Pat how sad are you? You're obsessed about Byrne but clearly haven't a clue what's happening with him. Why can't you just leave him alone?

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  2. Everywhere I go
    Everywhere I see
    The black and blue uniforms
    Police and priests

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    1. Everywhere you go? Everywhere you see?.. ..So don't believe all those myths about both professions(especially the priesthood) having a shortage.

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  3. 'Orgiastis'- now theres a word you dont often get an opportunity to use in a sentence...except where the Catholic priesthood is concerned.

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  4. I really don't see the point in keeping M.B. on this blog. He has nothing to do with religious life and he shouldn't have to be reading on going comment here regarding his future. Let's hope that his new colleagues will not use this blog against him. No doubt a few people will be really anxious that he settles and hope that he doesn't talk too much about his past experiences.

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    1. Maybe, but probably too late to affect the current set up.

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    2. Following the downfall of Keith O’Brien, I seem to remember Mary McAleese suggesting the disgraced cardinal should write a book in an attempt to understand his double life and spectacular fall from grace.

      Not a book, but perhaps MB should write a memoir on present day seminarian life and, in particular, why it attracts so many gay men.

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    3. Why not? Sure people will shell out their money to pay for any oul rubbish nowadays..

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    4. He is well paid for his silence.

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    5. @15:57 I imagine that's the usual procedure.

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    6. @18.05
      Some are paid off but those whom they think too principled get discredited and slandered.

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  5. Seems you always forget your own orientation Pat, you were gay in seminary, gay as a priest and gay when you organised to get married to a man. Of course you won't publish this as you don't want your wedding mentioned I suppose. Explain how you can be both Bishop and married, have your cake and eat it and hound other gay men out of your own club house

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  6. Happy new year coming up soon. Time for forgetting silly has-beens and maybe making one sincere New Year resolution.
    What will yours be I wonder?

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  7. Re/that pair?
    No point in trying to serve up yet again, yesterday's dried up fried egg.
    Nothing to see here... move on, guys.

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  8. Brendan Marshall's chubby face in the background.

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    1. What happened with Marshall?

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    2. Brendan is in Kilkenny looking for a New Year's kiss :-)

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    3. Has he a kissing and kissable friend in Ossory?

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    4. Brendan Marshall, though in his early 20s (albeit obesity adds 10 years to appearance) had an awful, cloying, Francis imitating Twitter feed with comments such as "Is Easter joy apparent on your face?" that you see on holy cards. Is he still doing that?

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    5. When did Ossory last have an ordination? 1989?

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    6. Stop trying to defame good seminarians. Shame on you Pat for allowing this to happen.

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    7. 17.39 - 2015.

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    8. @23.18
      And before that?

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    9. Sorry, @ 23.18 - what I really meant to say at 09.57 was, thank you so much for answering my earlier question about Ossory.

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    10. 10.39 - you're welcome.

      Happy new year.

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    11. What about the kissable question?

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  9. What trouble was caused to protect these men and nothing to show for it

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  10. From seminarian to celebritarian, but in the end, I am sure each of these two young men will thank +Pat for everything.

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  11. "... homosexualization of the Catholic priesthood which is not a good thing."

    It seems delusional to believe it can be reversed.

    Many people enjoy reading about all the celebrisluts in the priesthood.

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    1. "Homosexualization" of the Catholic priesthood is time immemorial, long before the term even existed.

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  12. As you say Whatever MB does we wish him well. If he joins the Garda they also have high standards of behavior. They accept sexuality for what it is but I believe they might not tolerate inappropriate expressions of it. It's a bit hypocritical really. Perhaps with the proper checks and balances MB might be a good priest. Pity the church is so 2 faced in some respects

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    1. What do you mean, Sean? Was it not Gorgeous and Puck who were being two-faced by leading double lives? I'm not saying that there are not others in the Church who are or have been two-faced, but in the case of these two men they are to blame for their own actions and hypocrisy.

      Also, the Gardai having high standards of behaviour? Give me a break. Breath test scandals, whistle-blower scandals, and no sign that they have actually been dealt with. Out of the frying pan and into the fire!

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    2. 11.40 Perhaps you are right. G & P are responsible for their actions. The church should have acted appropriately sooner. The Gardai too have issues to address. Happy New Year to one and all

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    3. Same to you Sean. God bless.

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  13. He will make a very good Garda. It is Dublin's and DM's loss. Congratulations to him.

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  14. I think it's very unfair, unkind and unnecessary to feature these men once again. Surely we have run this story to the ground. Let them get on with their lives. Whatever "sinfulness" or wrong they have done will remain in their conscience. Should we continue to flog them publicly? On this Feast of the Holy Famiky let us at least show some mercy and charity - allow some Christ spirit dwell within. And I do not excuse unacceptable behaviour but neither do I believe in forever throwing stones. After all, I too stand in need of God's mercy.

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  15. Puck lost weight and is working for ryanair, ray gave him the year in Listowel to save face.

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    1. Saw Puck on a Ryanair Malaga flight working. Seems to have lost weight.

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    2. 09:27 & 11:23 - no, he is not working for Ryanair; no, he has not lost weight; no, you did not see him on a Malaga flight.

      He is still deacon-ing away in Kerry with the full support of +Browne.

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    3. Must be his double so, either that or he's doing a nixer.

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    4. 08.35 - quite likely the later... After all wasn't he "doing a nixer" while in Maynooth? Or maybe Maynooth was the nixer.

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  16. Pray for them both and particularly for all homosexual Catholic Clergy who struggle with celibacy. Maybe one day the Church will abolish this outdated rule and some of the Clergy can be themselves instead of leading double lives like the many in Archdiocese of Glesgay.

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    1. I think quite a few of them seem to be "managing to be themselves" at the moment without much inhibition anyway!

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    2. I am very Curious about this reply do you mean Glasgow or Galway.

      As the last 2 incidents that are public knowledge in Archdioceses of Glasgow was the cathedral Administrator Monsignor leaving at 62 because he wanted to start a family.
      or the PP who on Worlds Youth day slept with the 16 year old but Police Investigation have ceased on that but the Archbishop of Glasgow still has him suspended.
      however the Archbishop of Glasgow thinks there are NO gay clergy in any Diocese of Scotland.....

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  17. Deacon Michael just needs time out to consider if Priesthood is for him. A young and very attractive man that must constantly get offers. Not easy. Pray for him.

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  18. One of the students in the Irish College, Rome, looks very like Puck (https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishcollege/38942251262/in/album-72157690843952285/). Let's hope he turns out better than him though.

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    1. Swapping stories about the Giant's Ring.

      https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishcollege/38092569935/in/album-72157690843952285/

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  19. Glasgow clergy. Double lives. Tell us more.

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    1. Wish he could as the present leadership thinks there is NO double situations in Glasgow all above board.
      he has everything under control.
      But strange to say the last clergy changes were all clergy on loan apart from one who it seems refused to do joined parishes.
      be interesting with HIS big Diocesan plan due to be announced in May just like Edinburgh's we have found the new Messiah at a great cost was to be completed last Easter.
      The Clergy are in control in Scotland apart from Motherwell or Paisley where they are true to their vows to the Bishop.

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  20. Never mind about Gorgeous and Puck. What about Hugh Kennedy ? That's all gone quiet. Hughie is a much more entertaining figure to keep us amused and smiling than these idiot youngsters. Hugh has style ! So, any news ? Or is he now shelved for life ? I hope not. I think I might write to his bishop and ask him to reinstate him so that we can have such an entertaining figure back in our lives ! Anyhow, whatever he is doing, I hope that he keeps well and is reasonably settled and happy. Whatever his lot, I don't wish him ill. But, I miss him !!

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    1. Down & Connor has long been blessed with priests with huge personalities.

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    2. E.g you Pat, I mean that in a good way, the Auxie bishop who was a da, your Adm at St Peter's, Fr Gunn at QUB.

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    3. The Dean of Belfast?

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  21. +Pat, please consider the comments above. I'm a great admirer of you and you've helped me personally. Halting the ordinations of Michael Byrne and Sean Jones was a great achievement, likewise the revelations about Frs Coyle and McCambley. Sadly, the bishops will only react when the spotlight falls on them, and media exposés have made the church much safer for children. I doubt that bishops will repeat the mistakes of Brady, Law, Murphy-O'Connor and Daneells.

    But as for Michael Byrne surely he's now entitled to be left alone, rebuild his life? Is he to be followed from job to job? I'd let it go, otherwise the risk is that your detractors will see it as a vandetta and not a genuine attempt to clean up Maynooth.

    As I say, I write this as a fan of yours. As the year closes maybe we should let those two deacons go in peace?

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    1. I agree, these two particular pages in The Great Register of Strange Goings-On should now be closed.

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    2. The Great Register of Strange Goings-On is the gift that keeps on giving.

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    3. Invaluable.

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  22. Most of us would disagree completely with this Vatican position which happens to reflect two thousand years of unbroken teaching. (Yes, we probably would, more’s the pity)

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  23. 17:13 Thank you for your comments expressed in such a positive fashion.

    I will reflect on them seriously.

    I do not share your confidence about bishops and mistakes.

    These men change, not because it is right to, but only because they are under the spotlight.

    Look away for a moment and they will be back at their old tricks.

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    1. PS

      The rats breed and play,
      When Old Pussie looks away.

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    2. Thank you, Bishop Pat, I am the poster at 17:13. You are right, the bishops will go as far as the media goes, but no further. I mean that they will respond to new cases but will show extreme reluctance to hand over records. Bishops are by far the worst HR managers I've experienced. I genuinely believe that potential bishops should undergo the psychological examination their seminarians face. Far more is at stake; many personnel, lay and ordained; schools; seminarians. Is the risk worth it?

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    3. 'The rats breed and play...' Altogether true, Bishop P. (Never heard that one until now. Is it uniquely Irish?)

      Happy New Year to you and your beloved partner, and to all blog readers (even those who wish I would just shut the **** up! 😆). 😄

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    4. Magna at 20.15..Most of us Magna wish and hope that you too would shut the **** up. You idiot or muppet as some would say!!!

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    5. Keep mostly on the cappuccinos tonight, Magna and the last of your Christmas goodies!
      A good new yearx

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    6. 23:01, a luv ya, boy!😆

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  24. Pat, grow up, be mature, act your age and stop being A BULLY chasing after two men who deserve at this stage to move on in their lives without yoyr nasty agenda. Printing a photo of MB in clerical gear, knowing he is no longer a "cleric" is totally wrong. It reflects a moral impoverishment in your psyche! I hope and pray that 2018 will see you you cop on! A vain hope!!

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  25. The 62 year old Monsignor in Glasgow was not only the cathedral administrator but also the Provost of the Chapter. Rumour has it, rightly or wrongly, that far from wanting to start a family he already has one! Allegedly.
    Apart from the PP sleeping with the 16year old (at least it was a she) there are quite a few “wegie” priests in relationships. Some hetro,some homo. And if Big Phi, the Archbishop thinks all’s well theirs a classicexample of Caesar fiddling while Rome burns.
    Thank God there are no problems in Motherwell or Paisley.

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    1. It would be interesting to know the nature and regularity of these deacons relations with other seminarians and clerics. Dublin PP.

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    2. He had a 15 year old daughter and wanted to spend time with his family. Brave decision and he is such a lovely sincere and holy man. Another example of the celibacy rule not fit for purpose.

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    3. So he had a 15 year old daughter and didn't live with her when she was growing up? Top parenting.

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    4. Bishop Pat. I have lots of info on Glasgow’s Gay Clergy that I’ve never shared for over 25 years of being involved with them. The fact is that the Curia is predominantly homosexual and most senior Priests there are in relationships or enjoy casual sex. I am not judging them and I know that when ordained they did take their vows seriously but now it’s too late to leave with no job, security or money. What advice would you offer them please? I know some would join your organisation but it would be difficult to live without the security offered by +Philip

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    5. It seems they turn a blind eye and take care of the older ones, who usually have a bit of a drink problem... and a man problem as well if we're honest, the two usually go hand-in-hand. Anyone under thirty is cut loose.

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  26. Dublin P. P. at 19.45: what a stupid question and concern. Go to the AB if you have issues. On such a Feast Day today, what a crazy concern. You must be a very sad, lonely man!! Thank God for my family and friends....

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  27. Bishop Pat - I echo the sentiments of 17:13 in saying that I am a fan, supporter of yours and have been helped inestimably by you.

    Your achievements are:

    1: Maynooth is undergoing a massive clean-up in every respect.

    2: The just preventions of Byrne and Jones being ordained (and probably others).

    3: Every diocese in the country is now on its guard.

    You can rightfully claim the victor's spoils regarding the battle with Byrne & Jones - now I think that the honourable thing to do would be to let the vanquished go in peace and find their path no longer subjected to the spotlight.

    God bless and Happy New Pat.

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    1. Mind, they've both got a lot to thank +Pat for: celebrity status, new career prospects, new lovers, and a possibly even golden handshakes.

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    2. But no job for life :-(

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  28. Pat, Have you achieved the impossible? Fr Hugh Clifford is absent from the last two series of photographs from the Irish College in Rome. He loved being pictured with Cardinal thins and bishop that, but that's no longer the case. Has humility entered the diocese of Galway?

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  29. Any word on Rory?

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    1. Still "on holiday" it seems.

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  30. Happy New Year to you Pat and to all who contribute and make this blog possible. While there are lots of different nuances in the blog, there is a touch of 'a sword will pierce your own heart and the secret thoughts of many will be revealed' and often healing comes. Thanks to all.

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  31. Pat. It is my fervent prayer for this new year that the Archbishop of Glasgow for once and for all rids the church here from the wicked gay cabal which is a cancer at the heart of and destroying our beloved church. Please God give him the strength

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  32. Pat, I wish I could bring myself to express a Happy New Year to you, I cannot. Have read the vile nasty vicious muck you have thrown about these past 12 months I am hoping that it will rebound on your hear.
    Karma is the belief that we'll get what we deserve from life and I do hope you will. Your poisonous mind will either make you seriously ill or bring about your sudden demise. Personally I would be happy with either prospect.
    I know you'll continue your venomous outpourings in 2018 and each post is a nail in your coffin.
    Nothing would please me more that your reconciliation with the church but frankly I think you've burned your bridges in that regard. So Pat may 2018 bring you what you deserve!

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  33. HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

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  34. Happy New Year Pat, your not perfect, nor am I, but I feel that you have done what you thought was right throughout your life and been damaged as a result. I don't think you deserve the venom directed at you by 23.40.

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    1. ".. You're not perfect.."

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    2. 00.23 from earlier. That posting at 23.40 is nasty but Pat has dished out much nastier venom in the past year with mountains if relish. So, while I din't aporove of such unpleasantries Pat asks for it as he has has no regard for the consequences of his own nastiness and is filled too often with vengance which is never a good foundatiin for establishing truth or justice.

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  35. What happened in Bray?. Now he's a guard??

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  36. 9.39
    Ewer knot per fecked by a long shot.

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  37. 23.15. Who is the cabal in Glasgow ?

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  38. He is at home awaiting a placement in the diocese. He did apply to the guards but there is no indication that he was successful in his application.

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  39. 17:13 above mentioned Fr. Coyle and Mc Cambley from Armagh. It's actually Mc Camley........the Mc Cambley name comes from the Iris Robinson saga of 2010 when young Kirk Mc Cambley was rooting Mrs. Robinson. A fine young man he was too!

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