Friday, 12 January 2018

BISHOPS DROPPING THEIR PANTS!




IN THE PAST FEW DAYS A BLOG READER SUBMITTED THE FOLLOWING TALE TO ME. HE NAMED THE BISHOP INVOLVED. AT PRESENT I AM NOT WILLING TO NAME THIS BISHOP OR INDEED SAY WHETHER HE WAS FROM IRELAND OR ENGLAND. HOWEVER, HE IS A LIVING - AND NOT DECEASED BISHOP AND HAS HAD A REPUTATION FOR SOME TIME FOR BEING OF "THE ANTIQUE DISPOSITION".


"A good friend of mine was in a certain gay establishment in Waterloo in London last May.

He claims to have seen a man he recognized as a Roman Catholic bishop wearing nothing but a towel.

My friend was in the "receptive position" and he attracted the attention of this episcopal gentleman.

The episcopal gentleman was keen to poke him with his "crozier" - or indeed give him a few pokes". 

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THERE IS ANOTHER STORY, A LITTLE OLDER, KNOWN TO SOME BISHOPS AND CLERGY AND EVEN A FEW JOURNALISTS OF ANOTHER ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP FROM THE IRISH/ENGLISH REGION AND STILL LIVING. THE IDENTITY OF THIS BISHOP IS ALSO KNOWN TO THIS BLOG AUTHOR - AS ARE THE DETAILS OF WHICH POLITICIANS WERE INVOLVED AND WHICH CABINET MEETING THE MATTER WAS DISCUSSED AT. 


"A certain episcopal gentleman was visiting London and this bishop had a liking for younger slim men and teenagers.

He met a rent boy on a London Street and they agreed to adjourn to the gent's toilet in a nearby train station and to conduct their business in a cubicle. There is no suggestion that the teenager was a "minor".

However their presence in the cubicle around the attention of the British Transport Police who forced the door open and caught His Lordship and the young man in flagrantre. 

I do not know what happened the young man but His Lordship was taken to a police station and charged and later appeared in a Greater London court under the title: "Mr" and was fined.

For various reasons politicians became involved and the incident was discussed briefly at a government cabinet meeting. 

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PAT SAYS:

As Blog readers will have noticed over the months and years it is not only seminarians and priests - but also bishops who have been caught in embarrassing situations.

The presence of well known and actively gay cardinals, archbishops and bishop - as well as clergy - is fact.

We, here in these islands, had the well-known case of Cardinal Keith O'Brien of Scotland.

Not so long ago there was the case of the Polish archbishop nuncio misbehaving with boys in the Dominican Republic.

There was the case of Cardinal Groer of Vianna. 




There have been some very high profile cases of the  "strange goings on" of bishops and archbishops in the USA.

We can be quite assured that most cases are not known about but still dark secrets in the Vatican and national churches.

This will have all contributed to the homosexualization of the priesthood that we have often discussed in this Blog.

It will have also contributed to bishops choosing gay men as seminarians and bishops protecting gay seminarians when they get into trouble in the seminaries. 

PS: THERE WILL BE PEOPLE READING THIS WHO KNOW THE IDENTITY OF THE TWO BISHOP MENTIONED ABOVE!!!





72 comments:

  1. All water under the bridge at this stage surely..

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    1. Not at all. The river is in full flow.

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    2. Funny, you mention a bridge. The establishment in question is under a series of bridges, but no water. They form part of the railway viaduct, leading into Waterloo station and the sauna is called, appropriately enough, the Pleasuredome, open 24hrs a day. His Lordship was seen there very late, or very early, depending on which way you see it after midnight, on Tuesday, 30 May, Wed. 31 May am.
      Hope he had some fun, as it wasn't a busy night, I hear.
      Pat, you're a howl, but I'm coming to understand how you work and I appreciate it. I'm the one who provided you with this nugget on dear Seamus a few days ago. I thought you had ignored it. Well, my amazement, to open your blog today. I'm always a bit scared of those bastards being able to track blog entries and that's why I want to protect my identity. I know they can't do it legally, but the law never stopped their Lordships from getting well-connected friends to do anything. Lots more where the Seamus nugget came from. Glad he's not dead, but who was stirring with the premature announcement of his death? There's lots more on the bishops and their sexual antics, but you'd need the right priest being willing to spill the beans. In fact, there's a bit of a gay clicque there, some of its members going back to their Irish College days in Rome and the famous villa in Formia. Michael Smith knows a thing or two about that place, as does emeritus Kerry, Bill Murphy and old Herlihy of Ferns had a role there, oh yes, he was rector at the time (very few alive to tell tales about him, lol). Diarmuid of Dublin ... stories about him too... a lost wallet in Florence, a car, and more, a bit along the lines of your bishop in the toilets in London and British Transport Police.
      I don't want to go heavy on the Ossory man because he does suffer depression and has had other health issues and as far as I know is not the worst of the pack. Well, time to sleep. What a laugh you gave me tonight when I opened the blog! Keep it up. The sooner the stable is cleared of all the shit, the better for all of us. Maybe then, we can begin to build something new and authentic.

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  2. What lies to tell. Any of us can write whatever stories we like. Pat, if you claim to be so certain and courageous, then name the said people. Or will you do what you always do - leave it to other bloggers. Coward. What a waste of a life you live. Pat, you are a moral degenerate.

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    1. I'm not the bishop poking the man in Waterloo :-)

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  3. MourneManMichael13 January 2018 at 00:49

    At this stage I have to say Pat that I am becoming increasingly concerned with your almost exclusive focus on sexuality, and in particular, on matters of gay propensity.
    I do agree with your concerns about the hypocrisy within the RC church, and its apparently increasing victimisation of hetrosexual or celibate seminarians and clerics. But having said that, while agreeing this issue needs addressing, I have become increasingly bored with what seems like your exclusive focus on sexual practices of the RC clergy.
    And I have to say this is in addition to my irritation at the many continual tit for tat inane, inconsequential and scarcely intelligible comments.
    It seems that a lot of your former interesting contributors have been absent for a while, and I wonder if they, like me, have wondered if it's worthwhile continuing making further comments.
    MMM

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    1. I, like many other readers, am not bored... not in the slightest, with +Pat's "exclusive focus on sexual practices of the RC clergy". It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

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    2. Set up your own blog, MMM, as you are the self-appointed critic of this one.

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    3. 6.34, stay in your slurry pit existence or go and do some useful act of kindness for others which will give you greater peace, freedom and fulfilment.

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    4. A bit harsh 13:41 and not in the spirit of "who am I to judge?"

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  4. Dear Bishop Pat in justice please acknowledge that Cardinal Groer was vindicated in death and the accusations against him were proven false.

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    1. 01:19
      I don’t think there is any truth in what you say.

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    2. Groer was most certainly not “vindicated in death”.

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    3. I don't think so also.

      Nothing on Google about such a vindication.

      In fact he had to resign from the monastery he went to after new allegations.

      Another attempt at cover up and misinformation from a "defender" of Lady of Babylon :-)

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    4. "Who am I to judge?"

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    5. Pat asking someone to supply a source - talk about the height of irony!

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    6. Who the flip says Groer was vindicated in death? What nonsense! There was a Vatican appointed apostolic visitation to Austria that dug up all the dirt on him, but it's been kept quiet. The problem with Groer was that everyone knew he should never have been appointed, but that twit who is now in Krakow, Stanislaw Dwiswz, told JP2 that all the stuff about Groer was lies put out by the 'enemies of the church' and ould JP believed him at the time. Well, it bit them later. You need to get some Austrian Benedictines talking. They'll tell you about Groer.

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  5. Mendax flagrante.

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    1. mendax flagrans or mendace flagrante

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  6. Once again it's gay night!

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  7. I agree with MMM. This blog has become focused on sexuality only. You do get sick of it all after a while. Maybe that explains such a sharp decline of posters. Yes, you will point out the number of visitors to the blog but that's just nosiness and it doesn't endorse your viewpoints I'm afraid. Let's just admit it pal, your blog is dead in the water as we Scots say.

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  8. Another day, another nice snippet of pulpit poovery. At least their identities are now recorded in the Great Register of Strange Goings-On for future posterity.

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  9. "PS:"

    I do like it when readers start joining up the dots.

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  10. MMM, 0.49: like you I'm also concerned with the exclusive obsession on matters sexual which has almost turned this blog into a pornographic site. The comments from "Pat says" indicate his own pathological, unhealthy addiction to the sexual misdemeanours of others, habitually giving opportunity to those of low intelligence to make cheap, snide, offensive and deranged comments. Pat encourages this approach and narrative. It has become stale, irritating and repetitive at this stage. The intelligent contributors are abandoning this blog. Now it's dominated as you say by a continuous band of inane people making inconsequential and scarcely intelligent comments. Mockery, ridicule, gossip and innuendo are the acceptable norm. The casualties are TRUTH and JUSTICE. For a long time I, as a Priest, have challenged Pat to broaden his horizon and find the good news stories but that seems out of his nasty agenda. Criticism of Church wrongdoing and hypocrisy will be a life long mission for all of us but I try to maintain my dignity and authentic humanity in the mess and do the best I can. I live within my broken and flawed humanity and I would never seek to prove myself a better person by comparing myself with the failings/sins of others. MMM, while we may view life very differently, you always make very sensible and reasoned arguments and your comments are very challenging. This cannot be said of the majority of comments of recent times. The blog as directed by Pat, sadly, is a forum for the outpouring of pousonous, hate filled words against clerics particularly with little regard for verifiable evidence to support accusations and unfair judgments. There is nothing remotely "sacred" to the memory of Jesus contained in the nastiness of this blog. It has become a shrine to Pat's over obsessive and questionable need for sexual prose. Thank you MMM for your challenging points always.

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    1. You send me positive stories to publish and I will.

      Otherwise.........

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    2. 9.16 Pat, you can find your own good news stories. It may require a mindset metanoia (change)which is possible if you try. Or just remove your blinkers and cynicism. Much much good is being carried out daily in parishes all around you. LOOK, SEE, OBSERVE .....and then try to keep the memory of Christ "SACRED" because some of your bloggers are guilty of sacrilege and vicious anti church hatred.

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    3. Surely you don't mean me, 09:52?😆 Cos I always do what's right; I never do anything wrong.😆😆

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    4. Maggie, it wiuld be almost impossible to find a suitable descriptiin for you but "normal" is not one of them!

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  11. Sounds like Chariots Waterloo. One client left the following review:

    A quaint gem of a place, tucked away in central London for old fashioned gentlemen who know what they want. Where the food is cheap and hearty, and the people are nice. Visit this place to experience good honest London hospitality and be taken back to the golden age of cottaging!

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    1. Thank you. I never heard of Chariots before.

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    2. It's going to be demolished. Could be a good name for the new seminary in Maynooth, though the shortlist will probably be St Sebastian's House or Ledwith House. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/05/gay-sauna-chariots-waterloo-to-be-demolished/

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    3. Oh no, no, no. Chariots is so old school. All going out of business. It's the Pleasuredome!

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  12. Was the story from Lonfon involving the transport police not the ome that a Newspaper publish about a particular named bishop which was later discovered to be Msgr Ledwith? At the time the newspaper published an apology to the Bishop it incorrectly named.

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    1. That is not the story I am referring to - and not the bishop discussed at cabinet level.

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    2. From Anon 9.09
      Thank you for clarifying. Its mind numbing to think there are multiple stories to choose from.

      It is also sad that a bishop can have his story discussed at cabinet while ordinary men cannot. There is no equality in catholicism.

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  13. TO CRITICS

    The RC Institution is in trouble because of a relatively small number of BIG issues.

    1. The abuse of power.

    2. Financial corruption.

    3. Sexual hypocrisy and double standards.

    4. The homosexualuzation of the priesthood/episcopate.

    5. The failure to present and live the eternal Gospel in a way relevant to modern men and women.

    This Blog deals, in varying degrees will all of those.

    Others might write a different blog.

    I'm not others.

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    1. Pat, at this stage, you're in overdrive, repeating old stories that have flown under the bridge a long time ago. Your analysis has been stated so tiresomely. If you are the great "prophet" and feel Divinely called, why don't we see the Hill of Larne shining with the light of radical living with multitudes of people listening to the great "One" announcing the day of liberation. The truth is, you, Pat, do not have the right spiritual disposition, qualities or virtues to bring about a radical shift of true gospel living. After 35 years you're still on the same page. In my almost 40 years of priestly ministry, I've achieved so much with God's grace, more than I ever thought possible. All done with grace, kindness, generosity and struggle but with deep gratitude to God for his blessings. What matters most to me is caring for the space given to me by my Bishop. And what a privilege it is to see amazing goodness and love in action. No negativity, no nastiness, no disrespect but affirmation and enciuragement, always believing in the God given dignity of every person. For me, this is the way we are called to be.

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    2. I think I agree with you to a certain extent on all of these things and it’s right for issues to be brought out and discussed. For instance, whilst one can view an individual priest’s struggles with their sexuality (straight or gay) with compassion and even an occasional lapse in the context of a loving relationship. But some of the alleged behaviour of Maynooth seminarians does not seem to indicate that the priesthood is right for them. Equally, it’s right to expose damaging hypocrisy like that of Scots cardinal Keith O’Brien.

      What I find more challenging on here is some of the homophobic language which would not be tolerable if it related to race or even gender. Corporal Jones jokes might be funny but to me they take on an edge here. And there is I think a difference between pointing out issues and taking a salacious pleasure in the alleged wrongdoing of others. We all like a gossip at times, but it can be hurtful and damaging.

      I value this blog but I do think we all just need to think for a second before we press “publish” and think what we are adding either to the debate or the discussion of how we make things better.

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    3. Keith O’Brien’s hypocrisy has been well established. A dominican priest was reported as giving a homily in Dublin two to three years ago in which he referred to people with a same-sex attraction as intrinsically disordered. O’Brien spoke in similar terms.

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    4. Card O’Brien is living in retirement and is now in very failing health and being cared for. He needs our prayers and I know he prays for us and for those he has hurt. What more can he do? It is our Christian duty to forgive him.

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    5. Yes, we can forgive Cardinal O’Brien and pray that he will have a peaceful end to his life but for those whom he hurt, either in deed or more widely with his words, forgetting is much harder.

      I posted earlier that we all need to think before we speak or post, being aware of the human dignity of our fellow humans and where they are in their lives. My hope is that all those in public life will learn from what happened with Cardinal O’Brien. Ultimately we all have feet of clay; the sooner we realise that, the quicker we can learn to feel a more genuine compassion for others and their frailties.

      As Our Lord said in the Sermon in the Mount, though I’m sure I don’t quote entirely verbatim, “Blessed are those who show mercy, for they shall receive mercy”. Though I fail frequently, I try to keep this in mind when I deal with others.

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    6. @17:59

      Some people deserve a grudge to be held against them indefinitely. O'Brien is one of them.

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    7. I met Cardinal Keith O'Brien once and found him to be a smarmy and smug gobshite.

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  14. There seems to be a pattern of Irish people going to UK to seek to be anonymous. In a modern world this is impossible. Perhaps it says something about the perceived culture in Ireland as well as the attitude of those found in loo closets

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    1. Some of us are in the uk and Ireland....Sean...just sayin

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    2. 11.19 When I left Ireland I felt like I was ran out of town by the sheriff. That was me. I don't blame anyone at this stage. I could have swam or sank. I think what I was trying to say is that UK offered more possibilities for good or ill at the time. With social media nowadays nobody can really hide.

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    3. Lol. I know a bishop who asks why priests can't just go to London or Manchester for sex, rather than making a show of themselves here at home. Of course, there's a pattern. Their Lordships approve fully and seem so well informed that one assumes some of them indulge themselves too.
      One of Fr Lee's big errors in Galway was to go walking that beach in Salthill or Barna late at night. Pity he didn't ask a bishop other than Drennan for advice and he'd have been told to go to Manchester! Well, they sent him there anyway, but not for sex, but sex therapy at that place, St Lukes?

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  15. I was going to quote Cpl Jones from Dad's Army and say that the bishops "don't like it up them", but it turns out in many cases they do.

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  16. I can see the point that the focus of this blog has narrowed rather.
    *But* the effect of publishing stories like this is the essential bit. I'm sure many a cleric daily scrutinises this blog and is relieved his indiscretions don't appear here.
    The truth will set you free!

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  17. https://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-priest-caught-peeping-in-shopping-mail-toilet-promoted-134743013-237422781

    Found this story very interesting! Caught watching men in toilets - made a PP! Says it all about the moral fabric of the CC today, slurry!

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  18. Pat could you do an article on brother Ambrose/ Vincent Lewis

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  19. 11:15 Old hat. Exhaustively covered on this blog.
    Interesting that you would comment on a sexual addiction - in itself a relatively common clinical phenomenon - in the terms you chose to do so here.

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    1. Ha ha! It wouldn't be the first thing to be "exhaustively covered" on this blog!.
      Hands up those who can name one topic that is regularly "exhaustively covered".!

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  20. In this week's 'Irish Catholic' (August 7, 2015) Mr Donovan (a member of the congregation) is reported to have said that Terence Crotty added: "gay people have little purpose in God's 'greater plan' ".

    Terence Crotty is student master of the Irish Dominican province, an appointment made by the provinical Gregory Carroll.

    Career clericalism or preaching the Good News?

    Occasional Scribbles

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  21. The excerpt below is taken from Admissions by neurosurgeon Henry Marsh

    My life as a neurosurgeon was to teach me that the distinction between physical and psychological illness is false - at least, that illnesses of the mind are not less real than those of the body, and no less deserving of our help.

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    1. A good post,13:19. And thank you for it.

      But try convincing of this the guy in the pub who thinks that psychological illness is a 'put-on' by the weakminded and its 'cure' 'a good "fut" up the "arse" '.

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    2. Yes, Magna, the two are inextricably linked.
      A very simple example would be when a person feels terror and fear (mental reaction). The body reacts by releasing hormones which immediately pour into the bloodstream (adrenalin and or histamine) and a blood test shows up the quantity present(physical reaction with direct link)

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  22. Well Well, This week we have had Bishop dead who is alive and now we have them dropping their pants.
    I think it is only right if the Bishops mentioned in this blog are still active Bishop's in Diocese I think it is only fair to the Bishop's that they are told of this information so they do not accept promotion to their own Diocese or as an Archbishop please think of the lay faithful and how hurting this is.
    We know that in Scotland with the Keith Patrick story still running as he is 80 next month? are is Scotland getting a New Cardinal and sadly where is he going to be buried back in Ireland or his Cathedral be interesting/
    Finally the Priest Story is 2011 not 2018 come on is the jealousy that bad about the CHURCH people need to still search for muck.
    Thankfully the Bishop's mentioned this time are either Ireland or England.

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  23. These bishops need to be called out, even publicly, should they prove unwilling to change their behaviour. Such men are poor, even spiritually dangerous, shepherds who misserve their flocks. Spiritual lives are at stake here, and Catholics need to know the moral calibre of their so-called 'leaders'.

    Those who, for whatever reason, are calling today on Bishop Pat to desist from publishing too many exposés of such men miss the point of the Spiritual Works of Mercy. However, our conduct, no matter how outwardly good, is rendered right or wrong by its motive: it is why examination of the reasons for personal conduct is so important. We need to be satisfied that our motives are good, in other words, 'that our hearts are in the right place'. They must always be motivated by love, and desire justice tempered with mercy.

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  24. Magna, you have some audacity to lecture others about having " their hearts in the right place" and that they must always be motivated by "love and desire justice, tempered by mercy". Absolutely correct as a prerequisite for leaders and shepherds but why don't you practice what you preach instead of subjecting contributors to your nasty, vile, poisonous, hate filled rants. You encourage and promote the worse in human beings by your distasteful, disrespectful and racist language. So, look into your own "soulless" psyche! Love, justice, mercy - mere words for you but never evident in your contributions - ever!

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    1. 17:15, you haven't found love, justice and mercy in my posts, because you simply didn't read any of them carefully enough, anymore than you read my latest post correctly: your quotation should actually be 'love, (comma here, not after "justice") and desire justice tempered with (not "by") mercy'. Your careless placement of a comma changed utterly the meaning of my words.

      Look on the bright side: there is at least justice in this post, in terms of syntax and punctuation. (And maybe an effective lesson in paying proper attention?😆)

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    2. What an idiot

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  25. I think this is a serious situation as in England this year I Archbishop maybe appointed in October, any time now two bishops and maybe assistant Bishops as well so it is a worry but maybe a great day for the media if wrong ones appointed..
    And Ireland is still awaiting a few appointments or boundary changes.
    These promiscuous Bishops need reporting to the Nuncio and also the Congregation of Bishops or is it just idle malicious gossip on this blog

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  26. No body cares about your gay bashing.
    Old stories about old gay dames, the world has moved on.

    Blog something relevant like Jesus was not true man.

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    1. 'Jesus was not a true man'? Already been done, old boy: Docetism.😆

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  27. That would be irrelevant nonsense. Treat the readers here with some modicum of respect, please.

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  28. Magna, 20.28, your deflection from my truthful comments at 17.15 by correcting my misplaced syntax and punctuation is rather inconsequential. It doesn't hide the truth that love, mercy and justice do not thrive in your psyche. All we need do is recall the litany of abuse, insults, ridicule and hatred of others in your frequent blogging. Most normal people see through you....

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  29. They do, y' know. 22:10, has it never crossed your parochial mind that Magna Carta is a composite blog character? Part truth, part fiction? (Sigh😳😆)

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  30. 22.52. Magna, you're a composite fool. You are an unbearable idiot. Sleep well in your cave.

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