Monday, 12 February 2018


MIAMI CATHOLIC TEACHER SACKED AFTER MARRYING PARTNER.

Miami Herald

BY KYRA GURNEY

February 09, 2018 


JOCELYN MORFFI


Parents at a Miami Catholic school are demanding answers after a beloved teacher was fired just days after marrying her partner.

First-grade teacher Jocelyn Morffi lost her job at Sts. Peter and Paul Catholic School on Thursday, the day after she returned from her wedding in the Florida Keys.

“This weekend I married the love of my life and unfortunately I was terminated from my job as a result,” Morffi said in a post on social media. “In their eyes I’m not the right kind of Catholic for my choice in partner.”

Parents learned of the firing in a letter they received from the school on Thursday evening, which did not give a reason for the decision. On Friday morning, roughly 20 parents gathered at Sts. Peter and Paul to demand an explanation from the school principal.

“We were extremely livid. They treated her like a criminal, they didn’t even let her get her things out of her classroom,” said Cintia Cini, parent of one of the children in Morffi’s class. Cini said that the parents hadn’t known Morffi was gay, but did not care about her sexual orientation. “Our only concern was the way she was with our children, the way she taught our children and this woman by far was one of the best teachers out there,” she said.

A letter sent to parents at Sts. Peter and Paul Catholic School notifying them that Jocelyn Morffi had been fired.

The principal spoke to each of the parents individually but would not give them a reason for the firing, Cini said.

Sts. Peter and Paul did not respond to a request for comment. Archdiocese of Miami spokeswoman Mary Ross Agosta confirmed that Morffi had been fired, but would not elaborate on the reasons except to say that the teacher had broken her contract. Agosta said it was the archdiocese’s policy not to discuss personnel matters.

“As a teacher in a Catholic school their responsibility is partly for the spiritual growth of the children,” Agosta said. “One has to understand that in any corporation, institution or organization there are policies and procedures and teachings and traditions that are adhered to. If something along the way does not continue to stay within that contract, then we have no other choice.”

After judges in Florida lifted the state’s ban on same-sex marriage in 2015, Archbishop Thomas Wenski sent a memo to employees reminding them of the Archdiocese of Miami’s policy. All employees, including school teachers, are considered church representatives and are expected to abide by Catholic teachings, the memo said. Any conduct “inconsistent” with that could result in disciplinary action, including termination.

Florida does not have a statewide law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. A Miami-Dade County ordinance that protects LGBT residents from discrimination exempts religious institutions from certain provisions.

“I think it’s shocking that in this day and age this continues to happen in South Florida,” said Tony Lima, executive director of the South Florida LGBT rights group SAVE. “It’s important to continue educating the community that this kind of stuff happens in this day and age. But it’s even more important to pass comprehensive statewide protections.”

First-grade teacher Jocelyn Morffi’s post on social media says she was fired because of her sexual orientation.

Morffi worked for Sts. Peter and Paul for almost seven years. She also coached basketball and ran a volunteer organization, called #teachHope70x7, that takes students around the downtown Miami area on weekends to distribute meals to the homeless, said Morffi’s friend Katerina Reyes-Gutierrez.

Morffi married her partner of two years last weekend and returned to work on Wednesday, Reyes-Gutierrez said. She was called into the principal’s office that afternoon and told that she had to resign. Morffi refused, according to Reyes-Gutierrez, and was fired the next day. She was not given a reason for the termination, Reyes-Gutierrez said. Morffi did not respond to a request for comment.

Most of the people who commented on Morffi’s social media post expressed outrage, but a few people said they agreed with the school’s decision.

“It’s the Catholic church and they don’t allow lesbians nevermind gay marriage,” one person said. “When you’re working for a business, as in this case, a Catholic owned school, you have to play by their rules.”

Parents at Sts. Peter and Paul said they will continue to protest the decision.

“We were completely outraged, all of the parents,” said Samantha Mills, whose child was in Morffi’s class last year. “This teacher in particular has made such a contribution to the school. She never imposes her personal beliefs on others. She just does everything in love. She has a way of teaching that is so amazing.”

One parent, Valentina Simon, said she considered withdrawing her child from the school when she heard that Morffi had been fired based on her sexual orientation. “This is really bad,” said Simon. “It can’t be that in 2018 ... they still do this type of thing.”

PAT SAYS:

This is what happens when secular governments allow religions exemptions from fair employment and anti discrimination laws.

No religion or church should be allowed to discriminate agains anyone on the basis that they do not obey the church's doctrines.

I personally know Catholic teachers who are living in fear that their private lives will be discovered and they will be sacked.

Anti discrimination laws should be applied to ALL organisation in the state.

110 comments:

  1. If the school is owned by, paid for and managed entirely by the Church, then it has a right to state and protect its core beliefs and ethos. As in the case of this teacher, she is the one who broke her legal contract. That is the School's policy. However, I feel ashamed that her employment was terminated. Any teacher in a similar situation should not have to live with the fear that he/she may lose their job because of their sexual orientation. If a teacher aggressively works to undermine the ethos, there are mechanisms to resolve any conflict. While I accept the Church's ethos in schools, I do not accept deliberate discrimination under any circumstances and I say this as a priest of almost 45 years experiences of working in schools at primary, second and third level.

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    1. Really?? The church has a right to totalitarianism? Moreovervat what point did catholic teaching become "the Archbishop casts the first stone"? And has every priest in Miami diocese been fired for every breach of celibacy, or even for masterbation, because that too is a breach of catholic ethos.

      Behold the new catholic teach, fire all gays so they cannot earn a living. Starve them to death as instructed by Miami. ???

      I think not. Jesus did not teach this.

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    2. Yes, schools 'owned by, paid for and managed by the Church'. But you are thinking of 'Church' purely in clerical/clericalist terms. The clergy are not the Church, and their teaching is not the teaching of the vast bulk of the Church.

      I remind you 00:42 (though I shouldn't have to) that it is not the clergy who pay for these schools (they, after all, merely sponge off the laity), but lay people themselves. And a majority of these in the States are in favour of same-sex marriage.

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    3. You don't pay for any of the Church's upkeep, Magna so just shush up please.

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    4. Address my point, if you can.

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    5. I second Magna's point. He is right about how people so often misunderstand what it means for a thing to be owned by the church.

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    6. Any person or group who employs should be allowed to discriminate in any way they like when it comes to choosing their employees or ensuring certain standards of behaviour. Period.

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    7. No, Magna, you're acting the idiot.

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    8. Pat, are you actually saying that you do not discriminate when accepting a co-worker into the Oratory? What if after a year, they began to teach something very different from your mission beliefs? You would surely have to discriminate on many levels?

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  2. @ 00.42

    Yes, you have not allowed the waters to be muddied in your accurate assessment of the school and the teacher's predicament.
    There is no getting away from the fact that one of the most important ways in which we do our jobs well as Catholic teachers is by strength of the good example of our own lifestyle. We cannot be hypocritical, saying one thing and doing the very opposite.
    Even leaving aside the gay wedding aspect of it, that young wwoman, who was presenting herself as a teacher of the Catholic Faith got married completely outside the Church in a ceremony by a lay person on a beach! Our young people are entrusted into our care. They deserve better. (I hear you, Pat... I know they don't always get it and yes,I'm afraid scandal does matter when you're in a sense, a role model.)

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    1. You're jesting, aren't you 03:24? Our 'Catholic faith'? We must live by example? Tell me does that include popes who accuse abuse victims/survivors of 'slander' and of being 'leftist' and not apologise for it. Does that include popes who claim, on the one hand, zero tolerance of sexual abuse by priests, but who continues to support, publicly, such bishops as Juan Barros agsinst whom Pope Francis knows are very serious allegations of sexual-abuse cover-up? Does it include clergy who teach that human life is sacred, but who nevertheless don't hesitate to approve morally the death penalty. You hypocrite! I could go on and on listing the moral failings of the Church you so admire.

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    2. What choice did she have, of venue, of ritual and of ministers?

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    3. I don't at all know the area in which that teacher was living and working or what her local parish and church was re/venue but presumably she herself would have done.

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    4. Magna,can you relax! We take our cue from Jesus not from often errant clergy.

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    5. Magna, what do you care, whose we! Get a life!

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    6. Actually, 00:42, I really beg to differ. As a youth minister I have had to go into Yr8 classes to explore the Holy Spirit because no teacher was up for that and the Yr8 teachers simply didnt believe! What good are lifestyle choices as an example, when those teachers have zero commitment to Church and don't believe in a Trinitarian God!

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  3. Of course Buckley she has no blame here! She is working in a Catholic school - she should have left before being sacked. She is the dishonest one, just as you are dishonest in your post. We have our 'ethos', you have your 'ethos' - I think! Enough is enough, get your own school Buckley.

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    1. Sanctimonious merchant banker!

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    2. And who sets the 'ethos'? The clergy? I don't think so; in fact I shudder to think that these hypocrites would set even an alarm clock.

      The clergy are not the Church.

      Stop clergy-worshipping 06:43; you're making a total fool of yourself.

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    3. Here we go again... Obnoxious bully,Magna.. attacking everyone and bulldozing his anti-Cburch tripe through everyone's opinion .

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    4. I am afraid you are the one making a fool of himself today, Magna. Completely off the wall and out of (self) control.

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    5. Answer my point, 15:48 and 15:55. The clergy are not the Church. So who sets the 'ethos'? (Whatever the hell that is)

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  4. This is parallel to the celibacy rule for priests and is unjust

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    1. Ach sure Sean, priests don’t get frustrated by celibacy.
      They get formed not to be.

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  5. She's a grand looking girl in fairness .

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  6. It’s time you priests left our schools...we have had at least 3 abusing priests in recent years....and coverups.

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    1. 9.17: Your phrase "you priests" gives your prejudice away but not only that, your words are a reflection of the hatred stirred up on this blog against clerics. Tell us - verify with facts the conclusion you express. Be brave and inform us about the "at least" (not a reliable phrase) 3 "priests" and schools.

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    2. More prejudice. You could make a parallel claim about all adults. One male teacher abuses. Get rid of all male teachers. One female teacher abuses. Get rid of all female teachers.

      Try thinking your knee-jerk reactions through.

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    3. 13:25, if there is a prejudice against Roman Catholic priests, guess who put it there?

      14:29, your post is ludicrous. You are not comparing like with like. A higher standard of moral behaviour is expected of Roman Catholic priests; this is why the clergy fought so long and hard to cover up sexual crimes by these men: to protect their self-glorying reputations.

      Roman Catholic priests deserve, therefore, to be censured more severely.😆

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    4. Lord Carlisle, in his report into child abuse in St Benedict's school in Ealing told the monks of Ealing Abbey to stop running the school in the interests of child safety.

      The safeguarding office in Maynooth (the irony of putting it there) was set up to deal with clerical abuse, including in schools.

      Who is the defender of priest teachers who gets enraged on this blog? Is a priest teacher?

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    5. @15:27 If you had lived in the 17C you would have been an avid hunter of witches.

      The majority of abusers are family members ofvictims. To abide by your logic no couples should be allowed to have children for that reason.

      You could then expend your energies trying to find out who the defenders of couples’ rights to have children are.

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  7. Teachers should abide by the Catholic ethos of the School because they know what they are signing up for when applying. If they can’t abide by it then they should apply to non Catholic schools, they can’t have their cake and eat it - simple.

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    1. Who cares! There is more to a Catholic ethos than same sex marriage. No ethos should be implemented perfectly and no ethos can be. Bigot. Catholicism is manmade and she has the right to interpret it as she wishes.

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    2. Why should they abide by the 'ethos' of the school. Clergy don't: sexual abuse, financial corruption, clericalism, slandering the innocent (remember Pope Francis words in South America?), and so on.

      Hypocrite.

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    3. 11.08. Moral absolutes don't fit this case very well. It's not black and white. The older you become, the more you realize the prevalence of the colour grey.

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    4. Moral absolutes fit all cases very well, otherwise there's no point in having them and they are not then absolute.

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    5. 'Moral absolutes fit all cases very well'? In general terms, perhaps; but not in specific ones.

      Love of neighbour, for example, is an immutable, non-negotiable and universal moral absolute; but not necessarily a specific interpretation of it.

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  8. Try telling that to the teaching priests who abuse, they did eat the cake.
    That word Ethos gets to me...

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    1. We are not talking here about teaching Priests and the subject is not about teaching Priests you fool. Why don’t you take your rant somewhere else, it’s not our problem you can’t deal with the ethos of Catholic Schools.

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    2. Lol at 13.08 calm down.
      Are you running the blog now?
      Too much stress ain’t good for ya.

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    3. My wife and I have chosen to put our son through the controlled (ie mostly Protestant) state school system in Northern Ireland because we think he'll be safer there than in Catholic schools.

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    4. @ 15.19
      I respect your school choice but that was very unfair to the overwhelming number of Catholic lay teachers who are the teaching majority these days. Also, if you have exams in mind, they get superior grades as Catholic schools feature highly in the Top Ten - but you probably know that already.

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    5. I know that you are right about the academic excellence of Catholic schools in NI. They top the league tables and they bring on students from more disadvantaged backgrounds, arguably, than the controlled and non-Catholic voluntary schools.

      It's just that I was a pupil of St Michael's College when Fr Jack McCabe was an RE/English teacher there and I had bad experiences with him, which may have distorted my perspective. The fact that Bishop Duffy knew about it for six years before the police did, and gave Jack a reference which helped get him a job in Hazelwood College, tends to grate.

      I suppose that the exposure by the media of the abuse crisis has had the good effect of making Catholic schools hyper-vigilent and probably safer than anywhere else. And as others have noted, the sexual abuse was 99% the fault of clerical not lay teachers.

      But I just can't get over my St Michael's experience easily.

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    6. Sorry you endured such abuse, 17:27, and the betrayal by Duffy.

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    7. Thank you MC, I appreciate that (I'm 17:27).

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    8. I really hope you're alright. Please, please God you are.

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    9. 13:08, how very sensible of you and perfectly right. There is no abuse in state schools.
      Protestants do not sexually abuse anyone.

      It’s only priests and Romanist Catholics who abuse childer because they are all perverts and sodomites - all of them. Every last one of them. Every man jack.

      No taig chile is safe in any Roman Catholic home or school. No Papist child is safe in the Fenian RC community of Taigs.

      All Popish children should be taken into care and brought up as good and loyal Protestants, so that they can be normal and not grow up to be perverts themselves, like all the rest of the dirty filthy pope head scumbags.

      Thank God for God's Holy and Perfect Protestant Orange People. Only among Roman Cafleeks do you find the perversions of sodomy and pederasty. There are no filthy and hellbound homosexualists among the Saved, Bible-believing Pradasints of Ulster.

      Yours sincerely for God and Ulster,

      Pastor Billy McClatchie,
      Kincora Independent Baptist Church,
      East Belfast.

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    10. Thank you again, MC. I haven't got over it fully and drink too much, which I've been told is a common response though I'm not denying personal responsibility for that. I don't sleep well either (as a 06:06 post attests). And I never set foot in Enniskillen.

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    11. Love & Prayers 17:27 (From another with that common response.x)

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  9. 11.08
    I think u are simple with your attitude.
    Catholic ethos...do priest teachers abide by this ?? that is the question


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    1. Some do abide by the rules. Those who don't create the problems. Like every profession...

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  10. Sorry to upset you so much, but Pat does not specify that we can’t talk about about priest teachers.
    The previous blog was about a prostitute and most of it was taken over about priest teachers.
    Perhaps you try and bring yourself to stop typing to posters ‘ you fool’ it doesn’t add anything to your post.

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  11. Ethos Ethos Ethos.
    There is no need for ethos.
    Schools should have an integrated ethos....whatever that is.
    Can’t believe that this is going on in this day and age in Miami of all places.

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    1. Every school has an ethos and a duty of care. Education is the complete formation of the person. It is a far bigger and wider task of guidance than spooning out facts to be learned.

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    2. What's special about Miami?

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    3. 15.23 Education is more than what schools spoon out.
      You are forgetting the input of parents and family and society.
      Catholic ethos is not the be all or even anything all
      Formate away in Maynooth if yous want, but leave our kids alone

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    4. 15:23, 'education is the complete formation of a person'? Says who? You?

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    5. Of course education is the complete formation of the person! . Right from the start of university course of teacher training there is in depth study of the needs of the child /teenager from every possible aspect There is a long list of needs eg a) emotional b) social c) physical d) spiritual e) educational and these will vary as his age varies and if any one of them is neglected then the child is not enabled to reach his full potential. Teacher training is extremely thorough and interesting when it's done well. The emphasis is always on drawing out the potential of the young person and not merely thinking of your job as cramming facts into him as an empty vessel . (The very word "education" comes from a Latin word meaning to "to draw out" which is interesting)
      At university for teaching training we had to further our academic subjects to the highest possible levels as you would expect, but studying the physical and mental growth and development of the child and his spiritual and emotional needs was also a big part of the curriculum. Then inevitably there was special study of behaviour, class organisation methods, discipline etc etc.
      Not an easy option but I knew I wouldn't be happy doing anything else. We were always told "Remember you're teaching" the child, not the subject!"
      By then , we started to grasp what the lecturers meant and the awesome nature of our responsibility.

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    6. 23:05, forgive me 23:05, but you're a complete PRICK!

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    7. Magna. Your response at 23.49 is beyond the Pale, utterly disgraceful to that poster who took the trouble to answer your point so well. I imagine she will ignore you and rightly so. You are not fit to be on the same planet as she is ! You owe her an apology but that would be beyond you. How dare you!

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  12. How are ye today girls?

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    1. 14 33. Stop being a nuisance of a sissy... Pat you should ban this fool from making comment. They're inane. Let him go to the George for that behaviour.....

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    2. We are well,thank you! Busy at our different tasks and trying to keep warm. Hope you're well too!

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    3. Canon Paul Swarbrick is the new bishop of Lancaster

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    4. Is he heterodox?

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    5. He doesn't come over as at all camp. I knew his cousin. If he is like her, he will be highly intelligent and very holy.

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  13. See you at 14:33 - “How are ye today girls?” Would ye ever F*** off.

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    1. Having seen that comment repeated numerous times, I too felt like responding like yourself.
      However on reflection I pondered whether the repetitive and limited nature of the comment simply seeks to provoke a reaction, or perhaps indicates a correspondent with very limited mental capacity, short term memory loss, or some other psychological impairment. Or maybe it's some poor lonely unloved individual of limited social skills seeking to use the question as an opening to a relationship?
      I'm really at a loss with this one.
      Maybe some lady reader might answer the question and cease the angst?

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    2. MMM at 17.46. In relation to that stupid question asked by 14.33, I believe the person is unbalanced mentally and emotionally but I also believe he/shes is trying to provoke others into a bitchy session. This blog is accident prone with such individuals and Pat should most definitely ban further nonsensical questions.

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    3. I’m a woman, but it doesn’t need to woman to answer.
      The way to handle a nuisance...is To IGNORE....I do.

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    4. Or pretend you don't see the intended irony ... And then respond briefly,like the nice poster @ 15.26.?

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  14. McAreavey apologising again at the weekend (today’s Irish News).

    I would say he is in trouble.

    Spotlight will be interesting.

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    1. McAreavey apologises yet again indeed for celebrating the Requiem Mass of Fr Finnegan, was saying that the first time not bad enough without repeating it again at the weekend. The Irish News conveniently did not report that when McAreaveys letter was read out yesterday in Newry Cathedral a number of people got up and walked out.

      Damage limitation in full swing in Dromore. BBC Spotlight will have another story to tell just when they confronted Sean Brady in person outside a Church when he failed to answer any of their correspondence.

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  15. Is all this talk about teaching priests relevant? I'd be amazed if there are more than five in all the diocesan colleges combined? Wasn't Fr Donaghy, the last President of St Patrick's grammar in Armagh the last priest headmaster in NI and there's only one nun principal in NI.

    I'm not even sure that there many priests still teaching in the fee-paying schools such as Clongowes Wood.

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  16. Amy was the last priest on the staff of St Columb's College in Londonderry. Priest teachers are a thing of the past.

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  17. Magna @ 14.17.
    Stop being such a nasty bully to that sincere teacher. Absolutely atrocious response from you! You attacked and blamed her for every historic ill of the Church! How the hell would she be responsible for all that !

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    1. 'Atrocious response'? Don't be melodramatic.

      Answer my points. If we must show our Faith by example, does this exclude the lifestyles of priests, because this is what that poster seemed to suggest.

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    2. The teacher (re/14.17 response) can only show her Faith by trying to show good example in her own life.She does that and behaves as well out of the public eye as in the open.
      Therefore she is sincere and it was atrocious to label her "a hypocrite"
      Many others in the Church fall far short but she cannot live their lives for them. They are responsible for their own lives and all she can do is try and live by example . Such a person should never be subjected to the complete onslaught of what you heaped upon her as if it was her fault that the Church had failings. Please don't distress somebody like that again

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    3. As I've already stated 22:15, don't be melodramatic. Not least because it makes a person appear irrational and unreliable.

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  18. Presumably it was in the teacher's contract that if she did what she did her employment would end. She probably thought in the age of "who am I to judge" that she'd get away with it.

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    1. USA companies and institutions are highly-attuned to legal rights, and it seems the teacher was dismissed in accordance with the terms of the contract of employment she agreed with the school. No person can be faulted for exercising their legal rights. It is a separate issue whether her contract of employment should have contained a term permitting her dismissal in the event of same-sex marriage. The owner of the school, assumed in this case to be the relevant Catholic diocese, would typically establish standard terms for use in the employment of teachers. In establishing those terms it would take account of Catholic moral teachings, as it is entitled to do. It is difficult therefore to fault the school or the diocese because Catholic moral teaching is derived from the Bible and the Church's interpretations of what the Bible states. It's unclear if the teacher publicized her same-sex marriage but must have done so in some way otherwise how would the school be aware of it? Is there not something to be said for a policy on the part of Catholic school and teachers of 'don't ask; don't advertise; don't advocate'?

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    2. Perhaps that's the nub of it: the terms and conditions of the contract.
      If she signed a contract albeit clearly worded in some respects but unclear or imprecise regarding requirements for her personal actions relating to sexuality outside the ambit of her professional educational setting, then, provided she did not introduce or refer to her marriage or sexual activity/status within the educational setting, it would seem she might reasonably argue a case for wrongful dismissal.
      If the church relies on the archbishop's 2015 letter/edict, then provided her contract predated that, could it be reasonably argued that this was an unenforceable unilateral unreasonable change to her existing contract?
      Whatever the legal resolution, unfortunately the RC church like most large bureaucracies will abuse their power against relatively powerless individuals.
      MMM

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    3. 'Catholic moral teaching is derived from the Bible'? Are you having a juvenile laugh?

      Such teaching is, in large part, derived from the minds of men who have sold their souls. They pay lip service even to their own teaching that human life is sacred.

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  19. A lot of the priests celebrated on this blog were the last priest president of their respective schools (Joe McGuinness, St Michael's Enniskillen, Liam McDaid, St Macartan's Monaghan, Donal McKeown, St Malachy's Belfast, Tom Surlis, the new Maynooth Dean, St Nathy's Ballaghdareen, Amy, St Columb's, Derry). Being president of a diocesan college appears to be career-enhancing for priests.

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  20. You don’t have to be a president to be teaching as a priest.

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  21. 'Love your neighbour' quotes the imitation Magna Carta above, as well he might. That phrase covers more back story than you can imagine.
    It all started with a lady schoolteacher who lived a few doors up from him. It started with her undies on the washing line, and he started developing quite a pash for her. He used to help her carry her bags from the bus, as an opportunity to chat her up, and he thought he was well in there.
    And then one day he saw the teacher with another man. No matter that it was the curate she was talking to and he obviously wasn't interested in That Sort of Thing, the fake Magna Carta was simply green with envy.
    He thought that becoming a priest would be his way into her affections but it was not to be. He made a point of going round in a dog collar, his first summer holidays, and she said those fateful words: 'Can I interest you in the Watchtower?'.
    It was a moment which has had great repercussions for the rest of his life and is the cause of much of his problem.
    He still keeps the directoire knickers he stole from the line, hidden in a drawer with his jazz mags.

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    1. You're not well, are you?😆

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    2. Oh hon, I feel your pain and I do sympathise, believe me I do, but you must simply stop projecting your own failure in love onto everybody else. It would have been nice but she just was never going to go for a Catholic boy, especially one so many decades younger. Besides, she was happily married and you know how long you spent in plaster when her husband found you stealing her knickers.

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    3. Magna at 21.04: You're not at all well. You are descending rapidly into a grotesque, obnoxious, ignorant fool. You are a BULLY. The relevant authorities had good judgment when you weren't allowed to be ordained! The people of God have been spared your crazy, bizarre and abusive manner.You are an even more detestable bully under the influence of drink, which, sadly seems to be out of control. Why should anyone answer your questions when all you ever do in response is slice them to pieces with insults, hate and contempt. Grow up Magna.

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    4. 20.49: Such utter rubbish. Who are you trying to impress - that sleazy, imbecilic image in the mirror? See a psychotherapist!!

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    5. Darling, I *am* a psychotherapist.

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    6. And if you assume that a psychotherapist does’t need to see one, you are in a worse state than you realise.

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    7. 9.26 last night. If you are a psychotherapis, of which there is no verifiable evidence through your contributions, you must have bought it on line because you have zero insight into yourself, you idiot. And you are beginning to morph into an ugly, unlikeable individual with nasty written all over your a**e, where it would seem your brain has found residence!!

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    8. Sweetie you know what your trouble is - you can't love anyone else until you learn to love yourself xx

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  22. Pat, for heavens sakes, can you do something about the post at 20.49 as it’s disgusting and not in the least funny.

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  23. The last two days have been so b-o-r-i-n-g.

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  24. Yes ,and that was compounded by the very worst of the two Magnas... Smutty innuendos from one of them and the vile nasty underbelly of Magna Blue when he completely out of his depth and realises it. Then, like a cornered rat, he turns on the posters. People are weary of him in particular.

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  25. Great news about the teacher's sacking. She will be happier teaching in a school where the staff share her 'values' and where the pupils will be taught to do so (otherwise children you are a 'hater'). Why would she want to be in an institution like a Catholic school except to get a cheque for her dismissal?

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    1. Well you are a hater anyway.

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  26. Why would she want to be in a Catholic school? To provide the lesbian and gay children in every class with a role model with integrity.

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    1. 10 36 - Yes, be a role model....perhaps... but also to teach young children that it doesn't really matter what you "become" from your original creation!!! I don't send my children to school to be taught that.There is unfortunately a terrible blurring of lines of moral truths and a confusion among children about their identity, as so many, including some teachers teach - "be what you want to be - do what you want". We do an enormous harm to children.

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    2. 10 36 - Yes, be a role model....perhaps... but also to teach young children that it doesn't really matter what you "become" from your original creation!!! I don't send my children to school to be taught that.There is unfortunately a terrible blurring of lines of moral truths and a confusion among children about their identity, as so many, including some teachers teach - "be what you want to be - do what you want". We do an enormous harm to children.

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    3. The two Magnas are out of control. Pat, you are equally stupud to allow them to insult, treat others with contempt, be rude, smutty and utterly obnoxious. Neither of them inspire in any way. Dustbin trash - bith of them!!

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    4. 11.36 and 11.37 Becoming is as good a concept as any other to highlight the quest for how things can be and not simply to settle in a fatalist way for how they are.

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    5. No, 11:37, it isn't be what you want to be that is being taught to children, but be who you naturally are.

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  27. 15.16: Magna, being who you "naturally are" is a moral convolution and a scientific mistake, as, sadly, you're unbearably obnoxious. Too many children are led into moral cul de sacs because of the free for all, do-what-you-like philosophy foisted on them.

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  28. It tickles me the things some people here find disgusting/pornographic etc. Heaven help them if they're ever faced with the real world!

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