Thursday, 29 March 2018

ARMAGH DIOCESE REFUSES TO SPEAK TO DISABLED MAN




JAMES MC CONNELL IS A PARISHIONER OF MIDDLETOWN PARISH IN THE ARCHDIOCESE OF ARMAGH WHO WANTS TO END HIS MEMBERSHIP OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WHICH HE REGARDS AS CORRUPT.

But James has a problem - nobody in Armagh archdiocese is willing to speak to him about his formal defection!

James is a young intelligent and well spoken and married father who is suffering from a disability that does not interfere with is daily activities. 

His first port of call - as you would expect - was the parish priest of Middletown - Father Sean Moore.

MOORE




James found Father Moore hard to contact. So he called on his house recently at 9.19 am after Father Moore had celebrated the 9 am Mass in the parish church.



Here below you will see how Father Moore did / did not receive him:





Father Moore would not meet James unless he put his phone in his car - and anyway he was busy going to have his breakfast.

Having failed to meet his own parish priest James went to talk to the administrator of the neighbouring parish - Armagh Cathedral - Father Peter Mc Anenly - who lived in the same house as Father Rory Coyle used to.

MC ANENLY

This is how he fared when he tried to talk to Father McAnenly at his car. Father McAnenly seemed to be suggesting that he was not FatherAnenly and that Father McAnenly was in fact inside the parochial house. 




So, obviously, no meeting with the elusive Father McAnenly was going to be on the cards???

So James decided that he should next try and speak to his diocesan bishop Amy Martin. Here is how he got on in Amy's palace:

AMY



Here is how he got on at The Palace



Unfortunately, there was no room at Amy's Palace Inn either.

His final port of call, to get advice on his hoped-for defection was on the retired archbishop Cardinal Sean "The Wounded Healer" Brady.



There were a number of cars outside and James heard voices within the house but The Wounded Healer would not open the door either:

ATHE WOUNDED HEALER

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Last night James had a call from the police who told me that someone had reported him to them for visiting various Catholic church properties and that he was not to do so again!

The police also told him that they had a message from Father McAnenly saying that if James phoned his secretary he would arrange a meeting with him at the Priest's House in Armagh.

James said to the police: "You have just warned me not to go to any Catholic properties and then you say I am to go to one to meet Father McAnenly"?

In the absence of any help from his own parish or diocese can anyone advise James about how to make a formal defection from The Roman Church?

Pastoral advice and guidance seem to be hard to find in Armagh!

PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR LEGISLATIVE TEXTS
ACTUS FORMALIS DEFECTIONIS
AB ECCLESIA CATHOLICA

Vatican City, 13 March 2006
Prot. N. 10279/2006
Your Excellency:
For quite some time, a considerable number of Bishops, Judicial Vicars and others working in the field of canon law have been posing to this Pontifical Council questions and requests for clarification concerning the so-called actus formalis defectionis ab Ecclesia catholica mentioned in canons 1086, § 1, 1117 and 1124 of the Code of Canon Law.  The concept therein presented is new to canonical legislation and is distinct from the other – rather “virtual” (that is, deduced from behaviors) – forms  of “notoriously” or “publicly” abandoning the faith (cfr. can. 171, § 1, 4°; 194, § 1, 2°; 316, § 1; 694, § 1, 1°; 1071, § 1, 4° and § 2).  In the latter circumstances, those who have been baptized or received into the Catholic Church continue to be bound by merely ecclesiastical laws (cfr. can. 11).
The issue was carefully examined by the competent Dicasteries of the Holy See in order  to identify, first of all, the theological and doctrinal components of an actus formalis defectionis ab Ecclesia catholica and then in turn the requirements or juridical formalities that would be necessary so that such an action would constitute a true “formal act” of defection.
After having received the decision of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith concerning the theological and doctrinal elements, and after subsequently examining the entire matter in Plenary Session, this Pontifical Council communicates the following to the Presidents of Episcopal Conferences:
1. For the abandonment of the Catholic Church to be validly configured as a true actus formalis defectionis ab Ecclesia so that the exceptions foreseen in the previously mentioned canons would apply, it is necessary that there concretely be:
a) the internal decision to leave the Catholic Church;
b) the realization and external manifestation of that decision; and
c) the reception of that decision by the competent ecclesiastical authority.
2.  The substance of the act of the will must be the rupture of those bonds of communion – faith, sacraments, and pastoral governance – that permit the Faithful to receive the life of grace within the Church. This means that the formal act of defection must have more than a juridical-administrative character (the removal of one’s name from a Church membership registry maintained by the government in order to produce certain civil consequences), but be configured as a true separation from the constitutive elements of the life of the Church: it supposes, therefore, an act of apostasy, heresy or schism.
3.  The juridical-administrative act of abandoning the Church does not per se constitute a formal act of defection as understood in the Code, given that there could still be the will to remain in the communion of the faith.
On the other hand, heresy (whether formal or material), schism and apostasy do not in themselves constitute a formal act of defection if they are not externally concretized and manifested to the ecclesiastical authority in the required manner.
4.  The defection must be a valid juridical act,  placed by a person who is canonically capable and in conformity with the canonical norms that regulate such matters (cfr. cann.124-126).    Such an act must be taken personally, consciously and freely.
5.  It is required, moreover, that the act be manifested by the interested party in written form, before the competent authority of the Catholic Church:  the Ordinary or proper pastor, who is uniquely qualified to make the judgment concerning the existence or non-existence of the act of the will as described above in n. 2.
Consequently, only the convergence of the two elements – the theological content of the interior act and its manifestation in the manner defined above – constitutes the actus formalis defectionis ab Ecclesia catholica, with the corresponding canonical penalties (cfr. can. 1364, § 1).
6. In such cases, the competent ecclesiastical authority mentioned above is to provide that this act be noted in the baptismal registry (cfr. can. 535, § 2) with explicit mention of the occurrence of a  “defectio ab Ecclesia catholica actu formali”.
7. It remains clear, in any event, that the sacramental bond of belonging to the Body of Christ that is the Church,  conferred by the baptismal character, is an ontological and permanent bond which is not lost  by reason of any act or fact of defection.
With the certainty that the Bishops of your Conference, conscious of the salvific dimension of ecclesiastical communion, will well understand the pastoral motivations underlying these norms,   I welcome this opportunity to renew my sentiments of fraternal esteem.
Faithfully yours in the Lord,
Julián Card. Herranz
President
Bruno Bertagna
Secretary


HOW TO QUIT
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Q. 1. Is it possible to quit the Catholic Church? As a child, I was baptised and confirmed in the Catholic Church. That was not my choice; it was my parent's choice. Since I left home, I have never practiced any religions. I am an atheist. I do not believe in God. I want to make sure that the Catholic Church is not counting me as one of its followers.

A. 1. Yes, it is possible to quit the Catholic Church.

Q. 2. How do I go about doing it?

A. 2. You must file a copy of the "Defectio ab Ecclesia catholica actu formali," ("Defection from the Catholic Church by a Formal Act"), with the Office of the Bishop.

An of defection includes 3 sections:

A) an internal act of will;
B) an external manifestation of that act; and
C) communication of the fact in writing to your local Bishop.

Q. 3. What does the "Defection from the Catholic Church by a Formal Act" Form look like?

A. 3. The following is a sample:

DECLARATION OF DEFECTION FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH

I ____________________________, do hereby give formal notice of my defection from the Roman Catholic Church. I want it to be known that I no longer wish to be regarded as a member of the Roman Catholic Church.

I further declare that I am aware of the consequences of this act regarding the reception of the sacraments of the Church, including the sacraments of the Eucharist, marriage and the sick and also with regard to burial.

I undertake to make this decision known to my next of kin and to ensure that they are aware of these circumstances in the case of my being incapacitated.

I acknowledge that I make this declaration under solemn oath, being of sound mind and body, and in the presence of a witness who can testify as to the validity of this document.


Signed:____________________________ Address:________________________________


Witness:___________________________ Address:________________________________


Date:_____________________


With the above Form, you should include a letter with the following PRINTED information:

Your name,
Your full address,
The name under which you were baptised if married since,
The date of your baptism,
The parish Church of your baptism,
Your date of birth,
The name of your parents, and
The name of your godparents.

177 comments:

  1. Your absence from a parish is clear enough that you are no longer part of the Catholic church. Defection from the Roman church is very very hard to get done in an official way. There is no formal way anymore. In a way, this is the Roman church trying its best to hang on to you. The wikipedia page on this is here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_act_of_defection_from_the_Catholic_Church

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    1. We don't want to hang on to you, John King! Have you tried St Augustine's within the city walls. Take your malcontent attitude there. Moaning Catholics need to be reminded that they can just lapse it's all so horrible for them.

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  2. What things some people do for publicity!.
    Maybe you are impressed by this stunt. I am not.
    If he wanted to be a lapsed Catholic then he would simply stop attending but no, that wouldn't get enough publicity and "acclaim" from certain sources.

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    1. He is entitled to formally defect. Simple!

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    2. Yes , but he could still have "formally defected" in absolute privacy. But plainly, he had camera etc and wanted maximum publicity.
      He's a showman (which may be a symptom of mental illness or may not in his individual case)

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    3. Bishop Pat you do yourself no favours by giving a platform to an obviously troubled/disturbed individual.

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    4. Why does this unhinged man tell the police that he wants to be able to go to Mass and talk to his PP, while at the same time telling them he's not a Christian?

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  3. Pat, you are simply being a mischief maker. That you would use the video tape of someone else to intrude on
    people - clerics - is despicable, morally wrong and contrary to the spirit of Good Friday. I have lost all faith in you. If James has any integrity he would not be annoying others and secretly filming. That's so unacceptable. Pat, you are seriously misguided to use these videos as an instrument for provoking hatred. We don't know the full story of James. Disgraceful behaviour.

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    1. All he wants is to formally defect.

      What's wrong with that?

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  4. Is that the best you can do on Good Friday? Some loolah who wants to spit in the face of Christ is sounding off. You're hatred has really warped your mind and poisoned your spirit.
    Even Christ on the Cross couldn't redeem you Buckley....you've signed your own eternal death warrant.....

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    1. Should we not leave that judgement to Jesus?

      The same Jesus who called a certain group "A brood of vipers"?

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  5. Pat... I was attending a funeral Memorial Mass in St Malachys Church when I heard the vile outburst from this disturbed man. My first thoughts were for the family attending with many having travelled from England.
    Can I state it was nothing short of shameful and embarrassing behavior from this man.
    Following on from this I since found out that this man suffers from mental illness issue's which the local people have said he has had an ongoing hatred for the Church.
    If he wants to leave, then why not just go and stop making a show off himself. I believe he is well known to the authorities and police.
    I watched these postings on you tube and am bitterly disappointed in you for abusing this clearly unwell persons venerable position.
    I wish you a Holy Easter and do prayer that you get Wisdom and Mercy from the Risen Lord.

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    1. I am not aware that James has any mentall illness.

      He may be affected by the fact that he had to watch for years a priest having sex with a close relative?

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    2. Surely not "watching" -- if he disapproves of his relative's love life, he still has to respect the relative's freedom.

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  6. This man would be unfortunately counted as one of the 1.2 Billion Catholics in the World!

    Kind of like the mafia: easy enough to get involved with but quite difficult to leave.

    On a more serious note though I wonder would there not be a process implemented for “leaving”.... maybe something like a simple form issued by a Parish Priest?

    The thing is though, one of the problems with the Catholic Church is that all the thinking people are leaving. All that inner fire is lost and people are walking away.

    Why not stay and fight? It’s difficult but the Catholic Church will not get miraculously better if people of conscience disengage and walk away from it.

    We need these people fighting on the inside and making a few changes!

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    1. MournemanMichael30 March 2018 at 10:34

      Your comment Rusty has to beg the question of why thinking people of conscience should stay.
      Any thinking person with the benefit of a good education, at least average intellectual ability and strength of character would be completely dishonest in conscience to remain as a member of institutionalised R. Catholicism. Having said that I recognise many do "remain" to the extent that cultural pressure keeps them peripherally involved for rites of passage requirements.
      MMM

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    2. A good education? Not to be had in Ireland north or south if an earlier post of yours is to be believed. Thankfully you were able to supplement the deficient and defective ‘mediocre’ schooling you got in Ireland by a good Scottish and English university education. Only for the latter you wouldn’t have been able to dissociate yourself from The RC church.

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    3. MMM at 10.34. Many Catholics, millions in fact, choose to remain because their belonging to a religious/faith community enriches their lives and fills them with immense peace, including many intellectuals. All of us will have serious questions to ask at times but we find our way through the doubts, searchings and uncertainties. For me, the Holy Week ceremonies are magnificent. Your suggestion that only "uneducated" , unintelligent people stay is a poor argument and unfair. That judgment has been made by atheists/humanists from time immemorial. For some, yes, their faith is expressed only at times of ritual but strangely, these people, I find, haven't rejected faith/belief/prayer or the concept of a loving God, incarnate in Jesus, but the institutional Church. At these moments I try to encourage, affirm and challenge people.

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    4. MournemanMichael30 March 2018 at 23:52

      Anon@ 12:41: I appreciate your courteous comment. Indeed there is truth in what you say. Humanity as an intelligent social animal seeks companionship and significance and it's found in huge variety throughout present and past "understandings", formulated into myriad religious and mystical beliefs. RC is simply one such. In the future, perhaps a few thousand years hence if humankind still survives, it will be viewed as just another well intentioned cult belief which tried to provide solace in humankind's need for understanding our origins and evolvement.
      MMM

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    5. Mournful Mike again.

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  7. What a disappointment, +Pat, I was hoping for another Grindr type scandal. ��

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    1. Those two strange diamond shaped ? marks represent a "tearful emoticon." Just so you know.

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  8. "Fr Moore would not meet James unless he put his phone in his car..."

    I don't think that was asking too much, +Pat.

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    1. I would have no problem meeting anyone about anything if they were recording me on their telephone.

      What's to fear?

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    2. There is nothing to fear, but it seems a bit over-the-top to me.

      Also, as you are no longer affiliated with the Catholic church, +Pat, why can’t you advise him.

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    3. My advice to him was to approach his PP and bishop.

      But they will not see him!

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    4. "There’s a hole in my bucket” come to mind!

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    5. ...dear Liza, dear Liza

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  9. A thoroughly obnoxious practice - doorstepping someone and recording their reactions. You have posted pics of four clergy here and none of the plaintiff.
    It should be an extremely simple matter to insert a column or at least a word in a baptismal register to record that a person has ended their membership of the church.

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    1. The why will Armagh not do that for James?

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    2. 10.26: You, Pat, are one hell of a nasty hypocrite. Always seeking to use other people's vulnerabikities to throw heavy stones at priests. You should speak with James. Dois stepping others and videoing is disgusting. Your behaviour Pat this Good Friday is morally reprehensible.

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  10. Points to note:
    1. Rather large properties in each video; I wonder how many people live in each?
    2. Rather large cars in each video.
    3. I'm surprised it wasn't the housekeeper but Fr Moore himself who opened his own door?
    4. I get the mpression the secretary lady cannot wait to be rid of her bisitor.
    5. Surely if you don't ewan to be a catholCa any longer, you just need to stop attending Mass etc??

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    1. The secretary lady was quite a nice person, so his day wasn't wasted.

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    2. she was nice to him, and that's important. its so easy to dismiss people but just take a little time to talk to them and BE KIND.

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  11. Don't you get so weary of tedious attention-seekers!
    If that person wanted to become a lapsed Catholic then he could have simply stopped engaging in Church activities. But no! - - he wanted to do the big grandstand thing and then get Pat to give him the diesel of publicity.
    Verdict :not impressed .

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    1. He wants to formally defect.

      Surely that is his right?

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    2. He could try walking backward while chanting something then spin around counter-clockwise three times.That might work.

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  12. Why did Fr McAnely deny he was Fr McAnely when it clearly was him. A touch of dishonesty on his part doesn’t do his reputation any good I’m afraid.

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    1. 10:29 Listen more closely to the clip and you’ll be able to answer your own question.

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    2. No collar; smart but casual.

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    3. Fr. Mc Anenly has lost too much weight. He used to be quite a handsome man but has disimproved a lot because he is way too thin.

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  13. I'm rather disappointed that today's post isn't about the church's attitude to the Jews. Since he has recently confessed to not being antisemitic (although I'm sceptical because he doesn't like anyone else) I was looking forward to hearing Magna Carta's reminiscences of the noise after the words 'flectamus genua' in the Good Friday liturgy of his youth.

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    1. 'Confessed'? 'To not being anti-Semitic'?

      Enlighten me.

      And if you're alluding to my being old enough to recall the manifest anti-semitic language of the Tridentine Rite, forget it: was way before my time.😆

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  14. Not getting much support for this story Patrick ! This guy is clearly an AH....

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    1. What's an AH?

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    2. Aggravated Hippy

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    3. It stands for "a**hole"

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    4. What would you calla priest who is an a**hole?

      Father A**hole :-)

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    5. Lol thanks,silly me.

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  15. Well our Fr Mc Ananely certainly let himself down here.
    He will be forever remembered as denying who he is.
    Shame on you Peter...would have thought much more of you if you had taken a more compassionate stance,
    Did you never meet a vulnerable person before Peter?
    It is good Friday, we can go to the pub today...maybe you might get to wash this mans feet today

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    1. It's a good day for a Peter to deny who he is!

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    2. JAMES'HEALTH.

      James has never being suspected of or diagnosed with any mental health illness.

      Mind you Jesus himself was thought to be mentally ill too!

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    3. 10.43 If you are the same person as 10.29 see above.
      Easy for you to invoke shame publicly on another from the security of your anonymous high ground.

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    4. 11:26, says the anonymous poster

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    5. I was 10.43 the only post his week plus this one

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    6. Pat at 11.03: No where in scripture is there a reference to Jesus having mental illness. He had COURAGE to face down his accusers and confront hypocrisy. Suggesting that you havevthe same kind of courage is stretching belief and imagination. Your efforts to follow Christ, like that of thousnds of priests are admirable.

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  16. There is a video going around in which the pope makes a joke about gossip
    Unfortunately he used the word woman and gossip in the same sentence.
    Misogynistic again ?.....Frankie.
    Neither you Frankie or Peter in Armagh haven’t a clue how to behave.

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    1. You need to improve your standard of written English - and your manners.

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  17. You cannot delete baptismal records as they are a record of fact that fact can not be undone. He can simply stop attending Church and move on with his life.

    People get too wrapped up on “leaving” the Church. Just stop attending and for James - he should not be harassing the priests. Benedict changed the law so why doesn’t he go to the Vatican and meet the CDF.

    This reminds me of the looper who chained himself to the pulpit in the Pro Cathedral.

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    1. In every baptisimal register there is a column called "remarks" where people's change of status - marriage etc is recorded.

      James could have a defection entry placed there.

      People thought Jesus was a "looper" too.

      Maybe they are prophets???

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    2. That’s true Pat. People did think Jesus was a looper. Maybe they are prophets. We’re all created in the image and likeness of God after all.

      Why should they Church have the administrative burden of adding remarks to historical documents ?

      I don’t understand why people care about what is recorded on the register in a Church they disassociate with.

      As regards the Dublin diocese and statistics- we use census figures not baptism records to ascertain “population” so the 1.2 billion isn’t based on baptism records.

      People have nothing to worry about. Being on the register isn’t costing them anything. They don’t go to mass so they don’t contribute to the running of the church. Again - why should the people who do support the church have the added administrative burden of adding “remarks”.

      Live and let live. Leave the priests alone and don’t destroy the celebration of the sacred mystery for other faithful in God’s house.

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    3. Jesus was not a “looper”! This nut job running around with his video camera clearly is. Just because some people thought Our Lord was crazy doesn’t mean that we allow every headcase in Ireland to run amok! Restraining order and jail him if he breaches it. I’d say he’s lying about his “illness” too. “I have to record this or I’ll forget that I was here”. My eye! Feckin headcase.

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    4. I think under the new data protection legislation you will find that you can delete a baptismal record. In order to record a person's data there consent is needed, and that consent can be withdrawn.

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    5. You may not falsify public records otherwise there would be many instances of fraud in insurance claims and examples too many to cite here. Data Protection means that people such as employers, doctors and banks etc may not hand out your personal details to others without your permission except in certain well-defined circumstances such as a legitimate police enquiry in which you were a suspect for example.

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    6. Pat at 11.46, your definition of Jesus being a looper and our definition of you being a looper do not equate or correspond. I prefer Jesus's style. You, like the rest of us fail to imitate him. Yes, you too Pat! What a way to spend your Good Friday. Another uninspiring and spiritually bankrupt blog. What will Easter Sunday bring, I wonder? Pathetic content today.

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    7. When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

      Mark 3:21

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  18. This is a timely topic for Good Friday. Mr McConnell should just leave. The fact he has a disability is not relavent to this issue and should not have been included. The fact nobody would speak to Mr McConnell is sad but perhaps typical. Formal Defection? Perhaps write an open letter. Send it recorded post. Send a copy to the press and see what happens. In my case there was public outcry for a while and then life continued as if nothing happened.

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    1. your mad for getting the press involved in things.

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    2. @ 11.50
      The correct form is "You're mad...."

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    3. 11.43: Sean, since there is such cofusion around James, your comments are inane. Like Pat, you are using bits abd pieces of a story to condemn your once former religious home. Stay in your own camp and get on with Good Friday celebrations, that's if they're remembered!!

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    4. 13.45 The tone of your comment speaks louder than the words contained therein. Interesting is the formal letter contained in a previous post. As pointed out it is a juridical issue and not sacramental. The love of God goes beyond law while still respecting it. By the way what do you think of Francis closing down hell. Is hell only for Roman Catholics or does everyone get a get out of hell card.

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    5. The Vatican has already corrected that complete misrepresentation of the Pope's words. The false news was put out by the atheist Scalfari (aged 93 but his age is not relevant in my opinion)

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    6. Francis keeps on meeting him. Why? Is PF flying kites, see how they go? An old press office trick.

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    7. Sean at 11.43: A timely topic? Are you out of your Anglican mind on Good Friday? What a waste of your priorities...and your time. Nothing to do in your Church?

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  19. Dear Pat,

    I wonder if the following 2 sources might be useful regarding how to defect from the Catholic Church? The first is a link to a Vatican document outlining the necessary steps, and the second is a link to a website where a sample letter to do as requested by the Vatican can be found. It seems to me that if James no longer wishes to be a Catholic the route to achieving that is fairly straightforward and does not requiring trailing around the country videoing anyone. I hope James is able to do as he wishes and that he finds a peace in doing so.

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/intrptxt/documents/rc_pc_intrptxt_doc_20060313_actus-formalis_en.html

    https://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu286.htm

    I hope all readers of your blog have a blessed Easter [for those who believe] and for those who do not believe that you equally have a rest at this time of year.

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  20. I have seen mention on the internet of unbaptism rituals held by Satanists if he wants to go the whole hog.

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    1. Ye gods! - - What next...

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    2. Unbaptism? Recon it's a bit like unmarriage One leaves it behind and carries on. I have heard of divorce parties. Is brexit an unmarriage

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    3. Yes, Brexit details will be minuted and recorded on paper next year BUT that doesn't mean that the history annals won't continue to correctly show that the UK WAS once an EU member with the correct dates etc. You cannot rub out and falsify history. What happened, happened.

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  21. Weren’t people in France destroying their baptismal certificates a few years ago as their means of egress? In Germany don’t they have to request deletion of their names from the church tax?

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  22. James said he has a disability with remembering things that are not recorded yet he was able to quite easily recall sending emails and letters to the Primate of all Ireland. He didn’t refer to previous recordings of himself putting pen to paper or pressing send on his email. The correspondence was sent the previous Monday and Tuesday. A week after his meeting with the secretary.

    Usually when I attend meetings I bring a pen and paper in case I forget. Why did James not bring a note pad ? Why would he even need contemporaneous notes?

    I find it a coincidence that people who have time to chase around after priests don’t have the same zeal for work.

    Channel the energy into volunteering if you’re at a lose end.

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  23. If a Catholic starts going to a presbyterian Church they don't even need a ceremony to become presbyterian. You simply go to Church. http://www.presbyterianireland.org/ Defection is possible but a more complex thing than what many realise. The Catholic Church holds that baptism grafts you on to Jesus but it is possible to leave the Church so it will recognise you as presbyterian.

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    1. Defection from the Roman Catholic Church in not defection from Jesus.

      In many cases it is defecting from a human construct in order to cling to Jesus.

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  24. ‘If you don’t get out of my sight I will get the police for you.’
    Tyrone man gets his gander up.
    U couldn’t make it up Peter.

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    1. You have little to complain about 12.53. How would you react yourself?

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    2. Leaver Peter alone. Get lost.

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  25. Please... if you want to go, just go and leave the rest of us in peace. Why make such a song and dance about it!
    Were we all meant to spend our Good Friday in wide-eyed admiration for this guy? Well, I am sorry but do credit us with some sense.

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  26. 1. If you want to leave the Catholic Church, just stop going, and most importantly stop putting your money on the plate. In Germany, you formally leave the Church by refusing to pay your Church tax and the Church notices that and lets you know that your have left ! It's the only thing that seems to get their attention. And they worry about it, threatening all sorts of consequences, like not being buried in a Church graveyard or having a Christian burial. Oh, and that your eternal life is in jeopardy. But what brings about a response, I note, is that they notice that the money / tax is not being paid ! Then they respond and take it seriously, by threatening you ! Shameful !

    2. McAnanely: What I notice more than anything else is a. he looks like he could do with a good feed (I can't believe they don't have a cook and housekeeper in their residence at the Cathedral ?!); and b. he's driving a nice big Audi, which I'm sure he's been given by his family or a benefactor, and is costing the Church nothing, or so he will say ! So, that's okay then ? I know of a Cathedral in England where the Dean has a spanking new big Audi every two years, maybe every year, always black, always with the personalised number plate hoping that no-one will notice. Oh, and it's from a benefactor ! Or so he says. No matter, because the message it sends out is that he looks after himself very nicely, thank you. The clerical / priestly life is not one of poverty and so often not one of simplicity of life.

    3. James does come across as a bit troubled, and I guess someone door stepping you is difficult to deal with. But, these priests should be used to it and have developed strategies for defusing it, respecting the other person, no matter how challenging he / she may be, and bringing the situation to a peaceful and calm conclusion. Don't they learn that kind of thing in seminary ? De-escalation, non-confrontational, looking for the best outcome. Instead we see priests who are tetchy, avoiding, lying, and simply not able to deal with a man who is upset - and, probably he is upset for good reasons, b ut they don't bother to find out. These priests would not get away with that kind of behaviour / response if they were working in a school, hospital, police, or any other service that deals with people who are troubled and difficult. They need to go back to seminary and learn how to do this. They come across as idiotic muppets, unprofessional, untrained, without strategies and plans. But, I guess they don't need that, do they ? They have the instant wisdom of ordination and believe that they can wing it and get away with it. They'd rather spend time swanning around in their bit Audis !

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    1. Re commenting on thinness or fatness....try your best not to.
      It is so politically incorrect.
      No one knows about what underlying health probs that many people have.
      As for the Audi....the Full Collection Plates keep the Audis on the road.

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    2. Mmm mm... and the best steak on the table..

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  27. Re pope Francis jokes.
    Very telling that 2 of his joke doing the rounds are
    Gossiping woman
    Mother in law joke
    Mary Mc Aleese got it in one

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    1. Mary McAleese is right. But Pope Francis is not her target.

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    2. He should be.

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  28. lol pat the best one you missed out was Fr Mc keever Keady telling James to call him father...not John
    Now it was funny.
    He was rushing out with car keys, yet went back in and closed the door.
    He seems very clerical, waistcoat an all.
    He did make a date for4 pm wonder how that panned out

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    1. I don't think it happened.

      By the way he was Father McCamley's curate!

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    2. Ahemmm ..I know
      You should put that one on with Mc Keever...it was hilarious.

      A priest we had told us to call him Fr (his Christian name).
      Wonder what John Mc keever makes of that.
      They live not too far from each other.

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  29. Do not believe fake news .. Don't be gullible.
    People who attribute "jokes" to Pope Francis could not succeed in deceiving you if you simply refused to be deceived The old saying used to be that "paper never refused ink" . Nowadays I suppose the equivalent would be that the keyboard will print whatever it is asked to print!

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  30. For starters, you’ve posted the videos out of sequence so your so called order of events is inaccurate. You also talk about conversations that happened on camera incorrectly. You just love a good gossip, Pat. I highly doubt you’ve spoken with this man at all.
    Read the social cues here, each of the clergy members automatically have their guard up around this man which leads me to believe this isn’t their first encounter with him. Priests are mere humans like the rest of us, I would feel very intimidated if someone was pointing a camera at my face and speaking the way he does.
    And his treatment of the man who I presume is the sacristan is disgusting!! I’d imagine he was very shaken up by it.
    Ridiculous intimidating arrogant behaviour!!
    It doesn’t surprise me you have posted these videos Pat - anything for a dig at the Church. It’s Holy Week, have you no respect for the Lord at all?!

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    1. Why would anyone with nothing to hide be intimadated by a phone camera?

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    2. Why do the Clergy shout for the Police to come and threaten people with the Police. They don’t shout so quickly for them to come when there is child abuse to be reported. Fr. Moore and Fr McAnely should be ashamed of themselves after their behaviour highlighted on these videos.

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    3. Every week is holy.if you are a true Christian.
      Catholic Holy Week is just a way to collect more dosh for big cars

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    4. Yes, funny how people can be a bit odd about crazies and nut jobs approaching them, out of nowhere, unannounced and filming the encounters to be posted on YouTube. Strange isn’t it? Some people are such killjoys! Well I never!

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    5. 15.38: Ignorant and uninformed. For your information, there are no collections at Holy Week Ceremonies. What school of paganism do you belong to? And Holy Werk is not just revered by Catholics but by all Christian denominations. Stay with your atheism.

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    6. 18.12 There is a collection on Good Friday. You are equally ignorant of the facts.

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    7. I attend my Holy Week ceremonies and never be asked for any extra money. I put something on the Easter Sunday morning collection plate just like any other Sunday. I am pleased that the heating is switched on and the electric lights on dim mornings. You get my meaning...

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    8. The Good Friday collection is usually for the custodianship of the Holy Land.

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    9. 15.38...I’m not ignorant or uninformed.
      I’ve been a catholic since I was born almost 80 years ago.
      I’m just saying as a Christian every week should be held in high esteem...each day counts.
      Ps one does note that those who come from well off families do not need to drive around in high octane motors .

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    10. 18.21: I have never heard of collections during Holy Week. Never. Your church must be the exception. Certainly not in Dublin Diocese. Some Church communities ask for donations for St. V. de Paul or some worthwhile charity. I would have no difficulty supporting such requests.

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    11. 21:28 you should be in a nursing home.

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  31. Oh so you reading Ellen, yes some of what shown fake
    But he did use gossiping woman and mother in law jokes.
    I do understand Italian....some words.
    The pope is misogynistic..

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    1. I hope your Italian is better than your English @ 14.01

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    2. 18.30 Here. Here! Is that the illiterate Scot posting again?

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  32. Don’t bother then...you are the gullible one
    Believing those that shout
    Fake news fake news when it suits their agenda

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    1. I don't think there's anything gullible about me or the news agency I work for mate.... That poster @ 13.37 knows the score alright!

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    2. Lol praising yourself..ha ha news agency.
      You should be down in Dublin shouting on the streets.

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    3. And I’m not your mate.
      Whoever is bothered about my English typing grammar.
      I’m a true cultish Irishwoman who doesn’t really care for all this clerical grammar stuff.
      yes I did study Latin, French, Italian and the Gaelic .
      The odd stop here and there suffices for me now .
      I type with one finger as I was over 60 before I used the iPhone,iPad or whatever’s is handy here...I do have numerous choices...devices are now the norm, sure we couldn’t live without them.

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    4. 21 40: Granny, go to your bed. You no more studied Latin, French, Italian or Gaelic than the cat in the corner who'd type better and more intelligently!! What a laugh you are. .

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  33. The next installment. Yesterday evening before Mass.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB8iKbE5kbw

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  34. Funny how some people are never expelled from the Church anymore! The religion is engaging in a cynical fake head count to get political and social clout. A theology professor at the College of Holly Cross in Worcester, Mass., reportedly claimed Jesus Christ was a “drag queen,” who was pro underage gay sex yet the school still holds the professor in high esteem despite the blasphemous remarks.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chrisreeves/2018/03/29/catholic-theology-professor-claims-jesus-was-a-drag-king-with-queer-desires-n2466085

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  35. That Fr McAnely looks like a right head the ball.

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    1. "Heid the baw" is an old Glasgow slang term for an irritating, idiotic, dim-witted person - a right daftie. “Bawheid” is a contraction of same.

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    2. Idiot and dim witted are nw politically incorrect.
      Please refrain from using them
      Some of us have close relatives with mental ill health and are very hurt when posters use ancient words.

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    3. GP (Palmerstown)31 March 2018 at 09:17

      Quite right. The current term used in health and social care is "insane". The previous ones e.g. "bonkers" or "round the bend" have been banned from medical records for decades.

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  36. Sure it’s all a bit of craic of a Friday .
    Still think the Rev mcKeever was the best, can someone post it.

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  37. Now that's sorted, +Pat, what's been happening at Gaynooth lately? Anything we should know about.

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    1. Sure Gaynooth is nearly as closed as st Luke’s

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    2. ... except for the electronic tags.

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  38. Pat if the man wants to leave the church, why dont you as a bishop (without a diocese) ordain him and he will get kicked out of the church and it will be a case of job done.

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  39. first facebook, now grindr.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetwburns/2018/03/29/report-says-grindr-exposed-millions-of-users-private-data-messages-locations/#656a90045c4c

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    1. "Report Says Grindr Exposed Millions Of Users' Private Data, Messages, Locations..."

      ... and private parts in some cases.

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  40. That James madman should be in St Luke's hospital in Armagh.

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    1. Why, 17:59? Are you a psychiatrist? Have you examined James and found evidence of mental illness or disorder?

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    2. He's obviously as mad as a brush.

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    3. 18.16: Another madman, Magna, has surfaced. The very actions of James are a clear illustration of his instability and I understand he is known for his outbursts. There is no justification for his behaviour of harrassing any priest in the manner he did. You don't need a qualification in psychiatry to analyse his behaviour and morivation, just common sense, something which Magna, sadly, seems not to possess. Now Magna, get back to your hut and read the Beano or Dandy!

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    4. 17.59: I agree. Pat should advise him to seek help and not be using his angst and agitations for his own agenda.

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    5. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck ... it probably is a duck..

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    6. Magna, some posters have absolutely no cop on.
      Some haven’t grown up yet.

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    7. So many psychiatrists on this blog.

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    8. Not nearly enough, duckie.

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    9. I imagine MC would be more likely to be ‘reading’ Judy, Mandy and cutting out the dolls’ clothes on the back page of Bunty.

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    10. MC loves the wee tabs, but his addiction team insists he only uses round edged scissors for his and their safety. As the aul dolls used to say "he doesn't be well".

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  41. Pat, with respect its a strange blog for Good Friday. I'm not reading any of the comments.

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    1. 19.50.EveryFriday that you are alive is a good Friday.
      Did you not hear the news today.
      Cardinal Mc Nicholl states there is no hell
      Apparently the pope, Frankie, says the same.
      But don’t let on to the news reporter here he might say it is fake news....like Frankie jokes

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    2. @ 22.05.
      The Guardian newspaper has quickly come in to correct that syatere/Hell which was attributed to Pope Francis incorrectly earlier.
      The scurrilous remark came from a predictable source (based on previous form -) the Italian 93 Yr old atheist, Scalfari.

      The first rule of good responsible journalism - - check and double check your sources. Not bad advice

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    3. Why does loquacious Francis keep on meeting that ancient bollox Scalfari, who refuses to use a recording device or take notes?

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  42. Strange? Father McAnenly must have thought he was the focus of another Spotlight investigation... LOL!

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    1. Yes he donned a collar for the second encounter.
      James must be tired tonight after all his fruitless interviews.
      Could someone post Mc keever door stop interview...it was a great laugh of a Friday evening.

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    2. Yes, Spotlight uses unhinged men who film using a mobile phone. Lolz

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  43. +Pat, should we gird our loins for an Easter special from Gaynooth? You've never let us down over the holidays in the past.

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    1. More proof ,if it was needed that some posters are addicted to scandal. @ 20.10

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    2. Maynooth now only exists for entertainment purposes.

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  44. Shame on you anti christ .. The Catholic Church will rebuild and revitalise. It is God's church and it is indestructable so a fallen lapsed individual like you and non faith Nolan are wasting your time. Long live Dromore Diocese, still led by intelligent clerics, not buffoons waging a hapless war in Holy Week. Take a serious look at yourself.

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    1. Who is 21..03 referrrrinng to ?
      Didn't read any antichrists here.
      Strange how some interpret postings.what is a buffoon?
      I’m always sad when those who think they are holier than others resort to name calling.
      Strange world we live in...at times
      Anyone go to the pub today, I wd have done had someone asked me.

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    2. No, this was surely one day when we could do without the pub.

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  45. Can u please mind your tongue.
    Do you know anyone with mental ill health???
    I do
    St lukes is closed.
    Pity as u could be a candidate.how dare you call anyone a madman.

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  46. When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

    Mark 3:21

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    1. What relevance has Mark 3:21 to this McConnell screwball? Just because Our Lord’s relatives mistakenly thought He was “out of His mind”, this lunatic should be allowed to roam about harassing people and making a nuisance of himself?? McConnell should be arrested. Call the police. Don’t engage with him. A good kick up the h*** wouldn’t go amiss with that nasty piece of work.

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  47. Well the clergy in Armagh have no idea how to react to individuals who may behave differently to the rest of us.
    SHAME ON ALL OF THEM.
    And that terrified caretaker in st malachys wont mention ass in the next while, James was surely quick on the uptake.

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    1. Yet looper James claims he has to record everything to remember everything. I hear on Pat's blog that St Luke's Armagh is closed. It'll have to be the T&F in Omagh,so.

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    2. 22.17: Are you on something strange? A weird comment. Priests are right and sensible not to engage with loopies like James who are in need of professional help. There are very aggressive people with whom priests must exercise great caution. It's common sense. Most priests will help those in need but you have to be sensible around some individuals.

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    3. T and F in Omagh closed for yonks.
      If you need mental ill health care you may go to Bluestone in Craigavon...or Altnagavin in Derry.
      Very poor education in health matters to refer to another as a looper...but don’t worry the staff in these newer hospitals can deal with you....so you might recover in time.

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  48. I was in the Pro Cathedral today and overheard Kieran McDermott talking about Bishop Pat’s blog.

    I think Kieran is a bad fit for Adm in the Pro.

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    1. Everybody's is talking about +Pat's blog.

      I wake up at 3 am every night, have a wee-wee, make a cup of Cadbury's hot chocolate, go back to bed... and straight on to Wisecatholic.blogspot.co.uk. I love it.

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    2. That blog will not help your insomnia. Keep the chocolate though.

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  49. Our Bob on the late late now

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  50. John Mc Keever asking James to call him Farher Mc Keever says so much about many of the younger priests in Ireland today. What a silly young man. I hope he will learn. "Father" is a title......not a name. We are each given a name at baptism and that is who we are. John Mc Keever only got the title when he was ordained but he's too full of his own importance to realise that his attitude belongs to a bygone era.

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    1. Fr Mc Keever should be allowed the dignity of using his title if he finds it a useful way to remind him that, though friendly, he still has a duty and responsibility to have a respectful professional distance between him and the parishioners in the same way as a doctor would for example. (It was meant to help both parties remember that) Would that a number of other priests had done the same but no! - they dispensed with the professional boundaries of respect completely and with disastrous consequences. The one dignity that you have allow a person is the dignity to choose the name by which he, himself would like to be called.

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    2. The title Father only really came into use after the Great Famine and was spread by Irish people who took it to the US and the mainland. In England priests had been called Mr and, according to Eamon Duffy some or all were called "Sir".

      Professor Duffy has a wonderful anecdote about a parishioner's critique of a priest's elevation of the Host during a Mass.

      "Heave it a little higher, Sir John, a little higher".

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    3. I've never understood why it's called the Great Famine. I'm sure that the people affected didn't think it was that great. Or was it that the Brits/Anglicans thought it was great because Irish Catholics were starving?

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    4. 09:18 Except that ‘Father’ is a title, and not a name. The fact is that on one level formalities such as these are becoming increasingly less common. Many medics are called by their first name now. Bishops tend to refer to themselves as Bishop Sean or Bishop Dermot Pius. Infamously and notoriously a retired bishop used to fly off the handle if he answered the phone to find someone looking for the bishop when they should have said archbishop.
      The good prelate is deserving of a full posting on here. April 1st would be an appropriate day. Lots of stories are doing ghe rounds about him.

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  51. I identify as a coffee table

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    1. And I identify as a coffee cup.

      Mind if I, er, place myself on you?😆

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  52. The students and staff in Maynooth are terrified that their Grindr info has been leaked. The usual suspects have been warned by the formation team that anyone identified by the leak will be out the gates the same day. Rome is breathing down Fanny's neck and threatening to withdraw the Pontifical Charter which is the foundation of the Pontifical University at Maynooth and on which its ability to award degrees depends.

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  53. I wrote to Brady in 1999 seeking an appointment as advised by Canon Lawyer, received reply from his Secretary that an appointment would be arranged after Brady returned from Vatican and received Red Cardinal hat. 19 years later I'm still waiting for this appointment.

    Four years ago I wrote to Amy offering pastoral work services in Armagh Diocese. Never received any reply!

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