Wednesday, 21 March 2018

POPE CONFIRMS IRISH VISIT




FRANCIS HAS CONFIRMED THAT HE WILL VISIT IRELAND IN AUGUST AND CELEBRATE MASS FOR THE CROWD GATHERED IN THE PHOENIX PARK.

Personally, his visit is irrelevant to me and I certainly will not be going anywhere near his gathering.

But we do live in a free country and any person who wants to legally visit this country should be allowed to do so.

It is many years now since I stopped praying for the pope at my Masses - preferring instead to pray for: "all religious and world leaders".

For me, Francis is merely the CEO of a very corrupt multi-national organisation that is all about power, political influence, money and covering up institutional abuse at every level.

I regard myself as a Catholic Christian - a Christian who expresses his Christianity in the "Catholic" way as opposed to those who express their Christianity in the "Protestant" or "Orthodox" way.  

I believe that Christ alone in the Head of the Christian Church.

Just like I do not believe that Queen Elizabeth is the "head" of a church I do not believe that Francis is either.

The notion that Francis' is the "vicar of Christ on earth" is as fanciful as is the notion that God is the Pope's vicar in heaven!

No, of course, do I believe in the fantasy of "infallibility".

For me, Francis is simply the Roman Catholic Bishop of Rome and that in political ways and for political reasons the bishops of Rome have forced their primacy on the other bishops of the world.

Nor do I believe that Francis is the successor of Peter. It is more than likely that Peter was never in Rome and that even if he was he was never the "bishop" of overseer/ episcopus of the early Christian Community. 




There is absolutely no proof that the bones buried under St Peter's are the bones of St. Peter.


Personally, I think that the spending of £ 20,000,000 on Francis' visit to Dublin is an awful waste of money.

At the beginning of his papacy, many thought that Francis would bring change.

I think that this hope has been dashed. 

Even if he wanted to, which I doubt, Francis would never be allowed to effect change by the corrupt curia mafia of cardinals, bishops and priests he is surrounded by.

The Irish Bishops are hoping that this £ 20,000, 000 papal carnival will help us all to forget about all the children abused by clerics, all the covering up done by bishops, the Saga of Gaynooth, the burying by nuns of hundreds of babies in septic tanks,  The Dublin Abuse, The Cloyne Abuse, The Ferns Abuse and latterly The Dromore Abuse.

There is not a snowball's chance in Hell of that happening.  

The Roman Catholic Church internationally, and in Ireland, has been shown up for the rotten empire it truly is.

Not a million Francis visits will change that reality.

The shindig in Dublin will simply be about the spiritually blind and compromised praising, preening and congratulating each other!

Who in their right mind would want to be part of that???









207 comments:

  1. Since the time of Elizabeth I the title the English monarch has held the title 'supreme governor' rather that head of the Church of England. The head is the Archbishop of Canterbury. It was part of the Elizabethan Anglican settlement.

    Until the 12 century the bishop of Rome was known as the vicar of St Peter. As part of the Gregorian reforms (Gregory VII) this title was changed to vicar of Christ in an effort to emphasise papal, rather than secular, authority over church governance, particularly in the area of episcopal appointments. I apologise if predictive text has messed up the spelling.

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    1. Thank you for your post, 23:26.

      In a word, 'useful'.

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    2. Wikipedia history lolz

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    3. No university actually. Some of us read book's.

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    4. The plural of book is books, not book's.

      The title "Vicar of Christ" has been in recorded use since the fifth century.

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  2. Nice little resume of Pat's heresies there all in one place. Such arrogance is breathtaking!

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    1. I have no problem with heresy, but I do have a problem with untruth.

      Heresy isn't necessarily untruth.

      You need to prioritise truth over heresy,23:31.

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    2. Heresy is a straying from the truth.

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    3. No, 15:58. Reflect on your statement again. If heresy is indeed 'a straying from the truth', then, logically, 'heresy', means 'untruth', which it most certainly does not.

      'Heresy' comes from the Greek word 'heretikos', which in turn is derived from 'haireo', meaning 'to choose'; it does not mean 'untruth'.

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    4. 23.31 why don't you tell us about your own arrogance? Perhaps we can all learn something from you.

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  3. Pat if you are so against the Catholic church as we know it with Francis as it's head of it on earth, why don't you officially start up your own church. I don't know the answer to this but when you had your run in with Cardinal Brady in the past were you officially suspended from the Catholic church or was it from saying mass in a Catholic church, and were you allowed to continue to be a priest. TK.

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    1. I am not against the Catholic Church or Catholicism.

      I am against the corrupt Roman Catholic institution.

      An important distinction!

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    2. Have you bern excommunicated?

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    3. "THEY" say I excommunicated myself when I was ordained a bishop without a papal mandate?

      The word / notion excommunication means nothing to me.

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    4. Ok you have been excommunicated, thats all i wanted to know.

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    5. Imagine the "disgrace" of being told you are not suited to the world's most corrupt organisation:-)

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    6. Pat, I wish you would say instead that you are against the corruption rather than against the institution.

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  4. As I told a Baptist acquaintance some time ago, I should never describe myself as a 'Roman Catholic', but only as 'Catholic'. Since I am not bound to obey Rome, but Christ. And Christ is greater than Rome.

    I do accept that the Magisterium has teaching authority, but it is NOT the repository of truth: this is the wider Church, not alone the Roman Catholic Church, but wherever, and in whomever, God is loved. For God is love, and love is truth.

    It is a colossal conceit to imagine that God communicates his truth ('himself', in other words), only to Rome. But this conceit exists, and it has done very serious damage, both to the Roman Church, and to the Church proper (which is not of Rome alone).

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    1. We're reading many's a "colossal conceit" on here.. So many knowalls

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    2. So where is the untruth in my post, know-nothing?

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  5. I heard someone on RTΓ‰ saying what if Mary McAleese wants to query the Pope about the Church’s view of her Son, a gay man.

    I’m indifferent to the visit.

    I don’t think it should be a visit to apologise for abuse. That’s been done many times over.

    It’s time for renewal.

    +Pat, I find it strange you say that Peter was probably never in Rome nor are his bones beneath St. Peter’s.

    What is your “Catholic” teaching based on apart from a few of the Roman Church’s prayers?

    The failure on your part to recognise the Pope as the head of the Catholic Church is probably how the Church view your Episcopate. Failing to recognise it.

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    1. There is a very big academic argument on whether or not Peter was ever in Rome.

      And it is not central to our faith - as we are Christians and not Peterites.

      I believe that the whole Peter and Rome thing is a political development.

      My teaching is based on the Bible, the Sacraments, the centrality of the Eucharist.

      You are right about recognition. But for me Christ is central and not Rome.

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    2. For Heaven's sake change the record..! It's not an "either . or" situation.

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    3. Just curious Pat - do you celebrate the Liturgy of the Hours?

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    4. Yes. I love them and they help me more than I can say.

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    5. Thanks. Same here.

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    6. What is the Liturgy of the Hours please?

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    7. Have you not heard of Google?

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  6. The visit will cost a fortune which could be spent otherwise. It will show how good church and state are at organising when they want to. If they can do this so efficiency why cant they sort the abuse issues. It will be all smiles and sweetness. What about the suffering.

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    1. Don't worry Sean Page . They won't send you the bill.

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    2. Dear An Onymous Thank you for using my name for effect in your brief response. A pity i cant return the compliment in kind. So many hide behind curtains and soutannes

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  7. Generally, I am quite sympathetic towards Francis but I do not understand why he doesn't visit the north of the island of Ireland. I look at the trips he has made, to countries where there is almost zero indigenous Catholic presence such as Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey and Greece (among others) and then wonder why he can't make it to Ulster despite going out of his way to visit a heap of other hotspots. I lived in Azerbaijan and that has had 2 papal visits, in 2002 when I saw JP II and Francis in 2016. Coincidentally, Azerbaijan had a native Azeri citizen Catholic population of 250 souls in 2003 according to wikipedia. There are probably more Catholics in villages like Ballyclare or Ahoghill than the whole territory of certain places Francis has already visited. It is very disappointing that he doesn't find time in is busy schedule to make it north, despite his peace-loving and peace-making image and credentials.

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    1. Four Days on and still No Word of the Funeral for Keith O'Brien so who knows what kind of Funeral he is getting or where it will need to be before next Wednesday as the its Easter that weekend. So sad for his Family and Friends and more so that it seems some of his accusers are still Parish Priest's in the Archdiocese they all should have went.
      On this blog people refer to theses Priests and a Bishop can you at least do the O'Brien family a favour and anything you know please write to the new Papal Nuncio in London after all the last one done nothing at all and never heard of now apart from the High Court Case in Glasgow with the Seminarian who said he even went to London to meet him and nothing was done.
      So Please Email or write to Monsignor Adams the New Papal Nuncio.

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    2. Francis is not visiting Northern Ireland for a highly politcal, and highly controversial, reason: he does not want to upset the Republic of Ireland Government by recognising the existence of the Northern Ireland state, which a papal visit would imply.

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    3. Don't be ridiculous.. The Republic will Ireland signed up to an acknowledgement of N Ireland state with the Good Friday Agreement. God knows they keep reminding us often enough and they denounce Republicanism on every public occasion. This is not the 1950s and de Valera is dead.

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    4. 15:55, I was thinking this from the perspective of VATICAN politics, not those of the ROIG.

      Everything you said about the ROIG is true, but the reasons given so far for a separate papal visit to NI are red herrings.

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    5. Sounds very fishy to me....

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    6. As per usual, MC is floundering.

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    7. Doesn't know his plaice.... Such a cod!

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  8. If he came up to Donegal airport, I might go as Donegal is the north .
    Or if he comes to the bog side I might go.
    But definitely not Armagh...where the Brady still lives.

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    1. Stay at home and don't exert yourself @10.19

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  9. I wonder is it wise for the Pope to come? For himself, he's an old man and all these trips must be exhausting. Added to that, he wrote an important encyclical on the environment. Less trips, smaller carbon footprint.
    The papacy is not meant to be a papalotry. Up to the 1960s, the pope was confined by geography. The pope is custodian of the deposit of faith, not a 'personality'. He is not Jesus Christ.
    How are victims of clerical abuse and their families going to feel when the inevitable hype will be splashed all over the media- the Francis bounce/effect etc? It might touch a raw nerve. As a church, we can be hugely insensitive with massive blindspots. A bit of humility and self awareness would do us all good.
    I personally see this trip as just a cosmetic exercise. A plaster band being put on a seriously dysfunctional church while the systemic failures are not being dealt with.
    Maybe a video link from Rome would be best?

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    1. "... fewer trips..."

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    2. A little bit of humility on your own part, poster @ 10.22
      wouldn't go amiss . We have plenty of knowalls already.

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    3. And too many know-nothings, 10:54.πŸ˜†

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    4. Ha ha.. My sentiments entirely, Magna (From poster @ 10.54)

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    5. 10:22 Confined by geography? What do you mean? Are you referring to the self-imposed prisoner of the Vatican? That was only between Italian Unification of 1860 and Mussolini’s concordat eith Pius XI in 1929 - almost 100 years ago.

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  10. He Is going to Dublin where there is 200 Parishes alone it is where the largest number of people who are gathered, However it is for the FULL of Ireland and Dublin has all the facilities.
    This is a time for Renwal in the Church and we cannot forget the hurt some Clergy and Bishop's have done but we must move on and let the Holy Spirit renew us all.
    EVERYONE has a part in this Journey of renewal and to help us on this Journey of Faith I ask those with any factual knowledge of any wrong doing by Bishop's or clergy please write to the Papal Nuncio direct as he said in Saint Patrick's Cathedral he is the messenger so please give him the message of these Bishop's and Clergy so the Church can get rid of them.
    And I can assure you they will listen.

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    1. Sure many who are abused would not know who a papal nuncio is, not to mention his address.
      Please give his name and address every day Pat until all those abused can access him...put it beside your contact numbers please.

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    2. Pat wont be doing no such thing! If a crime is committed it is not for the Church to be the first port of call, IT IS THE POLICE/GARDAI

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    3. Are you pair of halfwits serious?! Why would anyone with even a modicum of intelligence report abuse to a papal nuncio nowadays.

      No Roman Catholic cleric can be trusted to do the right thing, especially a papal nuncio.

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    4. @ 14.41
      Are you trying to use two negatives in your sentence . That gives absolutely the opposite meaning to the one you intended to convey (But it was amusing, so cheers, man!)

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    5. Why did you put an apostrophe in the ordinary plural word "bishops"?

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    6. 10.24 'And I can assure you they will listen' How on earth can you say that? I will be writing to the pope about grave injustice in Dublin in recent years. Would I not be better asking the Russian ambassador to deliver my letter to the pope?

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  11. +Pat, I hope the epic “Saga of Gaynooth” will continue with more sensational installments chronicling the outrageous scandals at this institution.

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    1. You’d be more satisfied looking at porn sites.

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  12. Will Francis’ visit be the last hurrah for the Catholic Church in Ireland? I wonder.

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    1. Not at all! "Last hurrah"? - Of course not. Don't be so cynical.

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    2. More like a "death rattle" then a "last hurrah". Will they even fill Croke Park?

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    3. Oh yes, they will... and the traffic will be at a standstill for hours...

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  13. no, we don't live in a free country. 6 of 32 counties are occupied, but you don't care about that stuff.

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    1. At the moment Ireland has a soft border..so the pope wouldn’t even be stopped.

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    2. If I were him I'd head north and get as many toblerones as one can manage before Brexit kicks in

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    3. 'free country'? '6 of 32 counties are occupied'?

      JC! Would you ever grow up!

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    4. 11.11 and 26 counties occupied by Europe and 32 counties run by the media and 6 counties enslaved to republicanism etc, etc.

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    5. 26 of Our Irish counties are occupied.

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    6. . Yip. They are occupied by the indigenous Irish people as the whole country should be ..

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  14. 10 .50...are u the same poster who is replying to Sean , me . and 10.54
    You seem to come on here and make unnecessary replys, because you have nothing useful to say.
    I’m 80 I’ve exerted myself all my life working
    don’t need your reply to me.
    And I won’t be giving any of my cash either.
    If I go on a foreign trip , I pay my way.
    So shut the fuck up

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    1. 11.42: You may be a pensioner, but your stupid comment is nasty and unworthy. Keep your money and leave Pope Francis alone. Respect is a virtue which you don't obviously possess. As an 80 year old, you too should shut the f**k up!

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    3. Just as well you're staying away. At your age you'd be a hazard to the younger ones if there had to be an emergency evacuation.

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    4. I hear there is a contingent of World Youth Day younger Priests & Seminarians turning up together for the Pope’s visit to Dublin. That includes Armagh, Meath and Dublin among others. Better to lock up your Sons underwear over those few days, best advice I would say is tell them to go commando.

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    5. Those younger priests from Meath are the most dangerous of all. Ask the Clogher/Meath/Clogher deacon

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    6. They are not any better in Armagh or Dublin with their designer labels, shades and cologne. Just to fit in with the younger lads and appear cool - same carry on as WYD. That is both Clergy and Seminarians. As Pope Francis pontificates in Dublin, Grindr, Fabguys and Gaydar will be going into overdrive.

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    7. 13,35 Do you not see the anomaly in urging respect and using the F word in the same breath?

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  15. 10.32. What was the case at the high court in Glasgow all about. Don’t remember it

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  16. @11.42 I’m sure they won’t miss your cash on this occasion.

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  17. The Pope promised to read Hans Kung's latest book Can We Save the Catholic Church? which showed that the idea of Jesus making a bishop overall leader of the Church and infallible is nonsense. He knows fine well he is an imposter. History shows that Catholic claims about the papacy are false. It was a late "development". I am outraged at how the news and wiki call Francis the 266 successor of St Peter. He is not a successor to Peter.

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    1. The papacy is a man made notion.

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    2. Pat, you can continue all you like to undermine Catholic truth, theology and tradition but you'll never beat it. Yours is purely "Pat made" and erroneous, misleading and disingenuous. When you set the nation on fire with light, love, community, harmony, new vision and true CHRIST LIKE LIVING, your words might have some importance. You appeal to hate mongers, you being its chief cheerleader. Pat only likes Pat.

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    3. I like Pat too

      RC_2016Eire

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    4. 13:40, What is the Roman Catholic Church setting the world 'on fire' with? Sexual abuse. Lies. Deceit. Cover-up. The drip-drip of constant scandal.

      In the States, six cradle Catholics are leaving the Church for every convert to Catholicism. Mass attendance, especially among the young, is falling everywhere.

      What does the Roman Catholic Church appeal to? Yes, you've got it! To very few.

      Er, I wonder why.

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    5. So do u think the Rc church set peopl es souls alight, like they did when Casey and that other bearded man with illegitimate children did back with the last pope.
      I like Pat too, I am not a hate monger like you

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    6. Some ridiculous "mwn made" heresy and dissenters' homespun doctrine floating around today and feathers obviously well and truly ruffled . Look, if you don't want give the Pope his due respect, that's up to you .. Just go . and stop haranguing faithful Catholics.

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    7. Be "outraged" all you like . Go to a Church that endorses your dissenting views. If you have lost your Faith, fine but leave good members of the Catholic Church alone .

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    8. The Pope most certainly is not an "imposter"
      It may suit your twisted perception to think that but that doesn't make it true.

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    9. Dear 12.49, would you like to speculate how ‘late’?

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  18. I don’t think that many people are at the stage for renewal yet.
    We have to go through the anger phase first..nd many other stages.

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  19. The papal visits directly and indirectly support the coffers of the Church and it uses that money to prevent justice for clerical abuse victims.

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2018/03/the-catholic-church-is-once-again-opposing-statute-of-limitations-reform.html?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Nonreligious&utm_content=44

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    1. Could you give us a shorter link, please?

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    2. Just because you have an old broken tablet is no excuse for a tirade MC. If you made fewer visits to Winemark you could afford a new device.

      Is Pat's blog your social life?

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    3. 19:11, 'a tirade'? You don't know what 'tirade' means, do you? It means 'a long, angry speech of criticism or accusation'.

      I asked a short, polite question.

      You're a moron, aren't you?πŸ˜†

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    4. Banbridge Billy22 March 2018 at 20:50

      Is Pat's blog your social life, tho?

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    5. 20:50, you're a moron, too, aren't you?πŸ˜†

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    6. Well said , Magna

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    7. Such a silly twerp..

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  20. Me - I want to be part of it.

    I feel the same about you and your group of malcontents!

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  21. Another former teacher at St Colmans Newry has been convicted for being a naughty,naughty man !!

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    1. Why didn't you name the person?

      Strange that.

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    2. Have just ordered your book (A Sexual Life...) on ebay, Bishop P. . Along with Phyllis Zagano's book on the history of the female diaconate in the Church.

      Looking forward to great reads. (Must order some more of that scrumptious chocolate from the Anglesy
      Cistercians. What better accompaniment for a good book or two?)

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    3. I couldn’t get his name.

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    4. Magna, hope Pat's book might enable you to discover your true identity as you reveal yourself as a very conflicted, unhappy, miserable person. This is often a result of inner sexual uncertainties. Hopefully you'll find inner reconciliation and freedom and become a nicer human being....

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    5. 18:22, you sound as if you know about being 'conflicted'.

      Hope your 'inner sexual uncertainties' have now been resolved.

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    6. @18:22 the fake Magna Carta's insecure masculinity isn't ready to hear your wise advice any time soon!

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    7. 21:09, well, I shall 'hear' 'wise advice', but I haven't heard any from you.πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜†πŸ˜†

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    8. But only because you don't listen...

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  22. Patrick James Carton, 29 charges proven guilty. He was at St Colmans in Finnegan time. Must have been a complete cesspit with those guys in full flow

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    1. He was a layman. Are you condemning all laymen?

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    2. Just those too cowardly to do anything, asshole. Y'know:like you.

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  23. Greetings all from Sunny Florida. I live in Tampa. I want to pick up on a post earlier about the drop off rate of Catholics in America.
    I used to take mom in my car to church on Sundays. The car park at our church complex was filled to well beyond overflowing.
    After nearly 60 years of faithful attendance mom stopped going about a year before she passed. I still go maybe once a month. The car park is barely half full now. Mainly seniors go. The Evangelical Church however is packed out on Sundays. Mainly younger families. Their car park and the nearby lot at the mall is full. All at their services. Don’t know the stats but can only report what I see and it ain’t good for the Catholic Church here. To many scandals.

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  24. I would like to apologise to Fr Timothy Bartlett. I can’t make the papal visit that day. I’m washing my hair! Sorry

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    1. Don't worry about it, poster @16.48
      People with your attitude won't be missed.

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  25. 16:45 the Cara centre at Georgetown university has very sobering statistics about the massive losses since 1965 (a small event concluded in Rome that year) and this was in the era when the abuse was not known to the general public. I've no doubt the scandals have accelerated. The so-called Francis effect is wishful think. Catholic country after Catholic country in Latin America are turning evangelical.

    https://cara.georgetown.edu/frequently-requested-church-statistics/

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    1. 17:39, you have reckoned (among other things) without the effect of increasing global secularisation at the time (the so-called 'permissive age'), and challenges to established authority, in Europe and America principally, from a better-educated, more ideologically aware and more assertive society from even before 1965.

      Your attempt to blame waning Mass attendance solely on the Second Vatican Council is naive and risible.

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    2. You need to factor in in your comments the difference between post hoc and propter hoc. The indications of decreasing numbers across the Christian churches were there in the aftermath of World War 1. In a century when so many millions died because of war is it any wonder that people's faith would be shattered? It's time you painted a wider canvass. If the Second Vatican Council hadn't taken place when it did, it's likely the rate would have accelerated.

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    3. The decline set in after 1965. The 1950s witnessed growth not decline.

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    4. Why is it accelerating under Pope Francis who is beloved by progressives?

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    5. It was the Anglicans (outliers for post-Vat II theology) who were in decline in the early and mid 20th century. Not the Catholics. It was a boomtime. I can get the stats showing the spectacular growth under Pius XII, but you'll probably say it was for sociological reasons. And a great deal of his pontificate was post-WWII.

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    6. 19:37, if it is accelerating under Francis, it is because of the sexual scandals.

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    7. 19:43, until it became known that Pius XII was a 'Hitlerite'.πŸ˜†

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    8. The Hitler Pope lie was created by a 1968 play.

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    9. Magna is well and truly on the oul bottle, swigging it from a brown paper bag like some oul homeless bum.

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    10. Excellent comment, 18:46. You're one of the clever posters. And we get so few.

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    11. While I don't always agree with Magna, I invariably learn something from a lot of his posts. I find the drinking references to him, tiring at this stage.

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    12. LOL. You only find "the drinking references" tiring .. Lucky you!
      I find all references to MC tedious in the extreme ..
      And all his pompous exhibitions of pseudo-learning...
      And all his jibes and silly challenges . . Everything in fact..

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  26. Pat How will you react to the visit. I imagine if you try and make contact with the Pope your communications will be lost in transit. What about an open letter via one of the papers

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    1. 18.33: Sean, more stupid, idiotic ramblings from you on Pope Francis's visit. The Holy Father has more important things to do than pay attention to you, an apostate. Mind your own business. Would you urge such disrespect to the Archbishop of Cantebury, your new boss? As for Pat, he'd be lost without the Catholic Church, which he too abandoned, as it's the only thing he blogs about. Sean, your new faith community must have little for you to do. Get a life and stop interfering in Catholic affairs. Otherwise, rejoin!!!!

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    2. What use is the pope's visit when he won't even send a tweet to all the believers of Jesus as they prepare to solemnly remove all protection for the child in the womb.

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    3. 19:52 Apostasy is not an appropriate word for someone who joins the CoE. They are a believer in God, Jesus, the Hole Spirit according to the creeds of the church.
      If you insist on being insulting you could use the word schismatic.

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    4. 18 33 Dear An You make me feel like you are angry and insulted. These are your feelings Deal with it. As for the ABP of Canterbury. If you or anyone else wants to write something go for it. It's a free country

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  27. I thought it was meant to usher in a Springtime, a New Pentecost and better engagement with "Modern Man"? Why are the Evangelicals, with many stances opposed by "liberal" Catholics doing so well in the US, which is very subject to all the issues you mention.

    I have no doubt at all that had the Church prospered after 1965 all the credit would have been given to Vatican II.

    In what way(s) was the Church improved by VII? Millennia of evangelisation is being reversed in a few generations.

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  28. I see that the Mgr behind the Vatican Lettergate stunt has resigned. If they do Pravda-like acts about a former, living Pope how can we believe a word put out by them? I won't even watch the €20 million visit on the telly never mind turning up in person, unless maybe as a protestor. This visit will be an even bigger flop than the one to Chile.

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    1. @20.00 Wishful thinking. I’m sure the Pope will be losing sleep that you won’t even watch it on the telly. I bet you will take a sneaky peek though.

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    2. Do you think it's a good use of 20 million when half the world is starving and thousands are homeless in Ireland?

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    3. 20 million? Sure we drink that amount in Iteland on a week night!

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    4. It will be a success but it will co-incide with another shocking event ..

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    5. 20:00 You mean as a protestant.

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  29. I should have made clearer that the Mgr wasn't a lowly curial official but the head of the Vatican Secretariat for Communications. He won't have acted alone and I'm sure that a press release concerning the Pope and the Pope Emeritus would have required the highest sanction.

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  30. Pat, are there any circumstances you can imagine where you would retract your assuming of the office of bishop as part of a healthy process?

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    1. I have enough experience in life to know to never say "never" :-)

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    2. Often in my little prayers Pat. Thanks

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  31. Pat, why don’t you organise an event to coincide with the Popes visit to Dublin. Invite victims of abuse and those who want to voice their disquiet at other issues with regards to the Pope and the Church at a venue. I’m sure other blog readers and contributors would be happy to attend. Maybe an event at your Oratory?

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    1. No, we'll be at home watching the Pope on television as extensive coverage is already being planned.

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    2. @20.32 That’s not a bad idea actually and I would attend as would some friends I know. Pat, you should hold a prayer service at your Church for Clerical abused victims when the Pope is here. I would bring the buns as I work for a bakery.

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  32. +Pietro Parolin22 March 2018 at 21:20

    My dearest Patrick, I was so relieved to learn that you won't be going near the Holy Father on his visit to Ireland in August. For this blessing we give thanks to the Almighty God.
    +Pietro Parolin
    Cardinal Secretary of State
    Vitta del Vaticano

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    1. Ah +Pietro hows things?

      Go back to the sauna you’ve had one too many.

      +Pat doesn’t give a crap what you think.

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    2. Is this for real, or a joke?

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    3. It is real, fratro

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  33. Why cant anyone see the ploy? Ireland as a ‘catholic’ country is on the slide. Gay marriage, abortion soon, pluralist society, lose of episcopal control,financial and sexual abuse exposed not only here but worldwide.
    So the Vatican pulls a few big PR stunts. The ‘ rush me a canonisation ‘ job for JP 11 and old Mother Teresa was meant to attract back the younger brigade as they ‘knew’ those pair in their own lifetime. Failed miserably!
    So they tried a Eucharistic Congress. Not much enthusiasm for that either. Then some smart ass in the Vatican says ‘What about a World Family Thingee’ -so they try that. Uptake not great. So next move to pull the rabbit from the hat. A visit from Frankie!! And if that doesn’t get the hoards of sheep in then they can always pull the one they have on the back burner- the canonisation of Matt Talbot. Watch this space!!

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    1. It'll probably be Dublin for the next World Youth Day lol.

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    2. You are wiser than you appear.

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    3. Yip - -He does a great job altogether (at hiding his wisdom LOL)

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  34. They will come in their hundreds of thousands and confound all you naysayers.

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  35. Will the pope not visiting the North have any effect on Timmy Bartlett's hopes of becoming a bishop? After all, the Secretary General of the WMOF 2018 hails from Belfast and yet can't convince Francis to come north.......definitely a mark against Tim's prospects!

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    1. Good - fit him better to go and do at lease a good 20 years of parish priest work before even being considered for a mitre

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  36. 21.21: Utter cynicism and pure wishful evil thinking. You are an ignorant pessimist! Tabloid, gutter s**te. God bless Pope Francis.

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    1. Yes, God bless this oily Latino.πŸ˜†

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    2. Yes 21.42 God bless the pope with the Holy Spirit, with wisdom, with prophetic discernment and the gift of conversion. In the meantime I wouldn't call 21.21 evil. There is more than a grain of truth in most of what was said.

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    3. Did Magna just sneeze, or what?

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    4. Fuck off Magna you slithery pig

      That “oily Latino” as you refer made it as a priest.

      How come you didn’t ?

      Too fond of the bottle? You roaring alcoholic.

      +Pat always has the good grace to never resort to slurs racist or otherwise and you cannot return the favour being given free speech here.

      Vile.

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    5. Really ? - - except when he decides to use insulting descriptions of posters eg "Catholic Taliban"

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    6. 22:47,😲, me...in shock.

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  37. Maybe the canonisation of the late Rev Ian Paisley would work better, hands across the divisions and aΔΊl that.

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  38. Heya Girls x

    Tiocfaidh Γ‘r lΓ‘

    @PontifEX

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    1. Failte romhat boyo!

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  39. And 21-42 as you throw your hard earned pounds or euros at frankie’s baskets he will say ‘god bless you too muggins’
    Lurgan Larry

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  40. How are ye this evening, girls?

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    1. Aw--nicely, nicely... Thanks for asking !We're making a Victoria sponge for a change .. Coffee coming up and finish the Broadchurch video on catchup.

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    2. You @22.15 sounds as if you are the biggest girl in the village. Not only that but a big Mary Ann also. Who are you kidding?

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    3. What about a coffee morning for the visit?

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  41. Patsy McGarry in the Irish Times highlights that the two days the Holy Father is spending in Ireland is significant. The Holy Father usually does a B&B on European visits.

    It’s great for Ireland to have the grace of Pope Francis SJ for two days.

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    1. The visit might be good for this country but if the pope doesn't lift his game he could well leave the country worse off than he found it.

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    2. I doubt that very much!
      I think we are the ones who need to "lift our game" as you put it.

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    3. 'Holy Father'??????? What blasphemy!!!!!!!

      Only God is holy, something JC himself made clear.

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    4. ‘You shall be holy unto me, for I the Lord am holy.’
      Lev. 20.26
      ‘A chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation’
      1 Pet 2.9

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    5. 10:35, yes, but it is REFLECTED holiness: God's holiness.

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    6. Backtrack as much as you wish. It’s as holliw as anything you post here - and as false.

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    7. 20:26, if you are alluding to me, then try this simple piece of ontological logic: only God is holy, because only God is God.

      To describe a human being as holy is to think him capable of raising himself to this state, which is a de facto claim to human oneness with God, a serious blasphemy. It is, too, an implicit denial of the need for Christ's incarnation, passion, death and ressurrection. In addition to being blasphemous, this description is also a heresy. To give it a name, it is called 'Pelagianism'.

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    8. Rubbish. Pelagianism has to do with the economy of salvation. ‘Holy’ is a Hebrew Bible word which predates Augustine and Pelagiys by almost 1,000 years. One of the problems with your reliance on Wikip is you have no judgement of your sources. You’d fail an elementary exam in theology. I imagine you did already.

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    9. Oh, you fools! How long must I bear with you? You get my 'drift', 22:11.πŸ˜†

      Pelagius did not believe in Augustine's doctrine of 'Original Sin'. Instead, he taught that human nature had not been tainted by this sin and that, therefore, human will had not consequently been vitiated to the point of not being able to rouse itself to holiness. Pelagius did teach that grace could assist this personal transformation (self-redemption), but that it was not necessary.

      Why don't you open a book from time to time and learn something reliable...before you post and make an utter fool of youself?πŸ˜†

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  42. Bushops’ Press Office announced Joe Murphy of Cloyne appointed head of Protocol in the Secretariat of State today after 30 years of working in the curia. He was ordained from Maynooth in 1992 - the same class as Fr Mullaney and Fr Bartlett - to mention just a couple of them.

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    1. Another error riddled comment on this blog. 30 years ago Joe Murphy was a second year student at Maynooth and therefore is not "after 30 years working in the curia". He was NOT ordained from Maynooth in 1992 - he WAS ordained from the French College, Rome on 1993. He transferred from Maynooth to Rome in the Summer of 1989 and Timothy Bartlett came from Belfast to Maynooth late September 1989 - therefore Joe Murphy and Tim Bartlett did not overlap at all at Maynooth, Please fact check before posting rubbish.

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    2. Actually TB arrived in Maynooth in 1988. They overlapped by a year. Calm down.

      JM has been working in the curia for 20 years.

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  43. A few of those D&C seminarians in Maynooth back in the day were unionists.,

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  44. He was ordained 1993 a year later.

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  45. Morning +Pat

    Please can you remove my comment at 22:47 re Magna?

    While I disagree about the comment “oily Latino” I should not have responded in kind.

    It was unchristian and did not show any charity on my part.

    Thanks and apologies.

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  46. Northern priest23 March 2018 at 07:10

    Mgr Murphy was a brilliant scholar. He wasn't in the same class as Timbo and Fanny, however. He entered in Maynooth in 1986, the same year as me. We were the last big class, there being 88 of us.

    Fanny was at last one year above us. In Sept 1989 Joe went to the Irish College in Rome. Also in Sept 1989 Timbo arrived in Maynooth, joining the I Divinity class so their paths did not cross, as students.

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  47. Northern priest23 March 2018 at 07:12

    P.S. Joe Murphy was ordained in 1993, we are on the same classpiece.

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  48. Bartlett arrived in Maynooth in 1988.

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  49. I’ve been reading this blog for many years Pat, and understood you to be a disaffected Catholic. It’s only now that I’ve realised you’re not a Catholic at all. True story!

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  50. 10.42 Pat is not a Roman Catholic. Catholic can be applied to many Christian Denominations. hope you continue to read and contribute.

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  51. I really do wish the Pope will visit the the North and most specifically Larne where he will kick the shit out of you Pat Buckley.

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