Friday, 27 April 2018

MAGHERAFELT PP REFUSES HOLY COMMUNION TO BOY

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THE PARISH PRIEST OF MAGHERAFELT IN COUNTY DERRY HAS TRAUMATIZED A LITTLE BOY AND HIS FAMILY BY REFUSING TO GIVE HIM HIS FIRST HOLY COMMUNION WITH HIS CLASSMATES!




Fr. John Gates, a priest of Armagh diocese, is refusing Conree Muldoon his First Holy Communion because he went to play in a football match with his local club SKY BLUES instead of attending a religious service on the same day and at the same time!


But Conree had attended all the other preparation services and has been fully sacramentally prepared by his school and teacher for Holy Communion.

He needed to be at that particular football match to qualify for a much-desired club trip to Scotland. 

Conree and his parents, Raphael and Eleanor, take their two children to Mass regularly either in Magherafelt, a neighbouring parish and at St. Mary's in Belfast.

I have emailed Fr. Gates and Archbishop Eamon Martin:


Rev. John Gates PP
Magherafelt.

Dear John,

I was contacted yesterday by one of your parishioners - Mr. Raphael Muldoon - who told me that you are refusing First Holy Communion this year to his son, Conri.

I was shocked to hear this and do not believe your reasons for this refusal have validity - not to mention compassion.

At the time when the Church is in serious decline, why do you seek to alienate this young family?

I would ask you to reconsider your position.

If you continue to refuse this boy his First Holy Communion, I will personally come to Magherafelt to administer the Sacrament to him.

In that event, I will also be involving the media in what I see as a very abusive decision by you that will traumatize a little 8-year-old boy.

Yours etc.

+Pat Buckley

COPY: Archbishop Eamon Martin.

As I said to John Gates in my email - given the decline of the Catholic Church - why are people like him being autocratic and turning away parishioners by hurting children and their parents?

You would have thought that they would be encouraging the people they still have going by being kind and compassionate to them.

The Muldoons say that Fr. Gates is getting a reputation in the parish for being authoritarian.

This is not the model of church that Jesus intended.




Also, people are not prepared these days to let clergy bully them and lord it over them!




UPDATE

After my email yesterday Conree's school principal telephoned Mr. Muldoon asking for a meeting next week with her and Fr. Gates.

I will let readers know of the outcome.

The important one here is little Conree.

196 comments:

  1. Pat, here you go again, interfering, being a nosey busy body, causing mischief. I hope the priest and Archbishop ignore your emails and bin them but will sensibly respond to the issue themselves. Get lost out of other people's business. Trouble maker.

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    1. I was approached by Conree's dad for help and advice.

      I do not turn anyone away!

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    2. Good morning oh holy father...not00.09

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  2. For CHRIST'S sake! Stop paying financial PARASITES liKe Gates your hard-earned cash. These useless middlemen WANKERS are surplus to requirements.

    You don't need popes, bishops, priests, nuns and brothers to know Jesus. These W****s will distract you from Christ with their vile, self-serving deceit and their indtitutionslism.

    Pray for them, by all means. AND THEN FORGET ABOUT THEM!

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    1. No I spoke to soon and he's back with a vengeance. Bit early for you to be off your t*ts wasn't it? It normally takes you to about 4am.

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    2. 00.12: Plank head, drink fuelled Magna. Disgraceful language - incitement to hatred. Your level of c**p and s***e is so ingrained in your brain that you are a psycho, a lunatic, a danger. Seek therapy. You should be barred from this blog.

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    3. Imagine if he'd been ordained? His is one of the few very few examples of Maynooth making the right call.

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  3. MournemanMichael28 April 2018 at 01:20

    Another example of the narrow minded autocratic attitude of many RC clerics completely out of touch with both the central thrust of the Gospels and the reality that the laity will no longer submissively accept such dictates. And more power to those like +Pat to highlight such unchristian behaviour.
    MMM

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    1. 1.20 MM: Generally you are more balanced. Can we take everything Pat reports as gospel? No. Let me give you my experiences. Often at a last moment parents will inform you that their child cannot attend the parish programme which is family orientated, will find some reason that their child cannot attend first confession, the communion day etc.. and these requests put huge pressures on everyone, particularly priests, who mostly will compromise. Similarly I've had requests for "private"baptisms apart from scheduled day. With almost 3,000 homes in my parish, and on my own, trying to acquiesce to all demands - sometimes unreasonable - is humanly impossible, apart from all other administrative and pastoral work. It's not right that any priest should act autocratically, but it's also too easy for non church people who rarely, if ever, attend, to lay down their demands. I had a situation re: baptism where the couple wouldn't attend the day of baptism because of a rugby match which they wanted to attend! I was almost threatened with Liveline when I explained my dilemma. After dialogue, they appreciated my workload. Using words like "dictates", "un Christian behaviour", "autocratic attitude" is grossly unfair to the vast majority of priests who are mostly kind, caring, reasonable and compassionate. Do not be deluded into thinking, on the evidence of Pet's skewed version of events (for personal gain) that all priests are "unchristian". Though I am disappointed with your response, it is very kind compared to Magna at 00.12, which is so deranged that he should be placed in a straight jacket and his mouth zipped! If we dialogue with care and consideration, most challenges are surmountable. Pat should be well aware that priests, like the rest of humanity, can fail in their duty of care but don't condemn all because of this story.

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    2. Dear Holy Father @ 11.21, it is you who are unaware of the facts associated with this case. If the parents didn't want their child not to progress to H.C then why did they feel the need to approach Pat? Pats intervention has clearly paid off because Fr Gates has agreed to meet the family along with the School Principal. Please do keep up with the facts Father. Pat is highlighting one case of an autocratic PP, how do you arrive at the weird conclusion that he referred to all Priests as autocratic?

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    3. 12.31: Priests on the ground often have to put up with incredibly, unreasonable requests. I did say dialogue with kindness and understanding always reap good results which is how I try to approach challenges. However, this story gives licence to people to have a go - in hatred - against all priests. Look at Magna and others....including your esteemed Pat!

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    4. Why is this any business of the athiest mournful Mike?

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    5. 14:01, isn't injustice (especially to a child by a Roman Catholic priest) everyone's business?πŸ˜†

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    6. He was invoking the Gospels, Holy Communion and priesthood, none of which he believes in.

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  4. What kind of idiots are there out there. The little lad should not have been refused. For many First Holy Communion is more a social event costing a fortune rather than a spiritual experience with a party. The church knows this and couldn't be bothered. Fix what needs fixing and give deacent people a break

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  5. What was the "religious service" that was apparently missed? If it was First Reconciliation, then the child (properly prepared) would need to celebrate that Sacrament first surely?

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    1. Conree has already received the Sacrament of Reconciliation from a parish priest.

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    2. I used to know a priest who used confession as a chance for the child to talk in private about his deepest fears. Ie. his mum had a new boyfriend who was mean to him or everyone picks on me because I am no good at foot ball. The priest was the confidant of everyone in the parish. Everyone wanted to talk to him. He was an Augustinian and I think his confessions were like those of St Augustine. A baring of the soul.

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    3. There was no such thing as first reconciliation when I was 7
      Where do ye concoct all theses frills.
      Yes I remembe4 my first communion
      Had to walk miles with my big sister....no my parents weren’t there

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    4. So the child received the Sacrament of Reconciliation in another parish? Why was that?


      And many parishes run a programme of preparation for the parents / guardians as part of preparing the children for Reconciliation and Holy Communion. I wonder if either of the parents attended the parish programme in this case?

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    5. What was the "religious service" that was missed? Pat, do you know what it was?

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    6. What's this "first reconciliation" nonsense. People in real life call it first confession.

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    7. 8.32. I prepared children for first confession for years and have come to believe that while young children can be naughty they have no concept of sin. Sacraments are not like a course of injections. There is no logical basis for a child to go to confession before communion. This puts more emphasis on sin than on sharing at the Table of the Lord

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    8. I think 7 is far too young for first confession. Was that age brought in by St Pius X as part of his desire to get children receiving Holy Communion?

      Is it the case that an Orthodox baby receives baptism, First Communion and confirmation/Chrismation in a single ceremony with no confession, obviously?

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    9. First reconciliation is far more loaded in meaning than first confession. At what point was God and an innocent, baptised 7 year old unreconciled? Someone who uses the language of "first reconcilation" is a nun or a spinster RE teacher. I'm a trad Catholic and I believe that God delights and smiles at the innocent confessions of young children, who do not need to be reconciled to Him.

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    10. MourneManMichael28 April 2018 at 19:42

      Some very sensible comments here [Sean@ 12:54; Anon@ 14:05, & M. Cartar@15:58] about that absolutely ridiculous "first confession" concept, and the 'need' for it for innocent seven year old children.

      On the one hand some might argue its necessity relating it to concepts of humankind's innate sinfulness because of Adam enjoying his apple (!!!).
      Yet others. like myself, see it as the entry of children into the "fear of hellfire" cradle catholic concept whereby reliance and dependence on the RC route to salvation is created, and, of course a dependent relationship with the RC clerical custodians of the routemaps to safety.
      I went down to Newcastle today and down by the prom saw the dressed up kids having their photos taken after what seemed like a first communion event which no doubt will feature many photos in the Mourne Observer next week. No doubt the sense of occasion and focus of attention, rather than the alleged spiritual significance, will inveigle kids into seeing the occasion as an important milestone.
      MMM

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  6. I wonder who involved the School Principal. It is not a school matter, it is a Parish matter as it was the PP's decision not the School to refuse First Holy Communion. Fr Gates is obviously getting the Principal on side to justify his decision. This couple should not be swayed by this and must stick to their guns. Will the child's future in the School be used to make them back down? I hope not.

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    1. The school is an integrated school and not a Catholic one.

      The principal is a Catholic.

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  7. Father Buckley. There is a little more to this story. I’ll wait for father gates to reply to you. I’ve put your humble pie in the oven x

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    1. Your a fool Pat. Do you not believe in 2 sides to a story, cause I can assure you that you've the wring take on it!

      What a sinner you are! I hear James McConnell has defected to you? What a pull!

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    2. Father Gates has the full right to an unedited reply on here at any time.

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    3. Bishop Pat, I have read about this on other peoples Facebook pages. you have sadly not been fully informed of the entire situation. Misled is the word that comes to mind. I hope Fr Gates will reply to you. It would also be good to publish the truth when he replies. All the best.

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    4. Jessica Fletcher28 April 2018 at 12:40

      Muldoon is a traveller name? is this a discrimination case?

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    5. @11.37 The fact that Fr Gates has not responded since yesterday tells us a lot. I’m sure Amy has put pressure on him from Armagh..

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    6. I went to school with Ultan Muldoon. He definitely wasn't a Traveller, not there's anything wrong with that. Evangelical Protestants in N Ireland are successfully targeting travellers for conversion, even though the Evos hold travellers in contempt.

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  8. Fr Gates is extremely arrogant, self-satisfied and smug and he was like that in Maynooth too.

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    1. 09.37 Totally agree with you. When he was appointed as Cahal Daly's Secretary he became even more smug and arrogant. He looked down on people from a great height and probably believes his poo doesn't smell.

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    2. He makes the late Bishop Joe Carroll look like a model of humility.

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    3. I met Joe Carroll at an event in Maynooth. He was the most pompous man I've ever met.

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    4. It all started when he was made Senior Sacristan of the College Chapel. He had daily rows with Sr Regis, who was in charge of the College Chapel altar linen but saw herself as Senior Sacristan.

      This Maynooth reminisce has recalled a casual cruelty by Niall Ahern, Middle Dean in the 1970s-1980s. A young semininarian with acne mentioned at a once a year class gathering in Niall's room in New House that he had a summer job in Lourdes.

      Niall's instant response: "the French Sun will be good for your spots". Laughter in the room.

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    5. Joe Carroll was NEVER Senior Sacristan of Maynooth.

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  9. This is another example of the dysfunction and lack of professional and pastoral ability on the part of so many clergy, similar to the legalistic and arse protecting response from Mullanney in the Maynooth case. They are clergy who still rely on the innate authority of ordination to give them instant wisdom and unquestionable authority. Little do they realise that many of their parishioners are far more capable and insightful than are they, and people will now question what the priest says and does. Quiet rightly. Priests and the Church should be accountable.

    I bet that after your intervention, + Pat, Fr Gates will rapidly back pedal; he's already setting up a meeting, I see, in which he will try to spin his way out of his original position, probably trying to portray himself as bringing a resolution to this situation, which he has created himself. And, the only reason he is doing this is because you have called him to account. Well done ! Otherwise, he would have continued to bully and intimidate these people, and the Archbishop would not have intervened at all even when told because loyalty to your clergy and between clergy is paramount in that rotten clerical world.

    Well done, + Pat, and keep calling these idiots to account, and call them out for their authoritarian, autocratic and crass behaviour. We Catholics will not put up with that kind of clerical behaviour anymore.

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    1. There have been a number of "unfortunate incidents" in Magherafelt Parish.

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  10. I personally don’t believe that a Priest has the right to refuse the Sacrament to anyone. The Catholic Church can call me a heretic if they wish.

    Refusing people access to the Grace and Mercy of a deep spiritual encounter with Jesus in the Sacrament is, frankly, theologically untenable and unbiblical. It’s a man made abomination. Much the same as the horrific practice of refusing to grant absolution in the Confessional.

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    1. In my 42 years as a priest I have never refused any one a Sacrament or absolution.

      These Sacraments belong to God, not men.

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    2. you'd give communion to a donkey!

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    3. Well, there are an awful lot of asses celebrating the Eucharist :-)

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    4. Fair play to you Pat for not withholding Grace in a Sacrament from anyone.

      The myth of Authority is one of the most dangerous Superstitions in the Church. The Peace and Mercy of Christ should have no filter. If Priests are used as a vessle for this it is a beautiful thing.

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    5. you said it Pat not us lol x

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    6. 10.14: Pat, most, in fact the majority of priests never refuse absolution. I've never done it. You are not the lone "absolver" of all penitents. You, Pat, make up your own theology to suit your private entity. I have a long history, tradition and truth to fall upon, not "do as I wish" approach and I bring my deep human compassion, kindness and mercy to everyone.

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    7. 11:33, what would be wrong with giving communion to a donkey? It isn't a sinner; it can't sin and is, therefore, more worthy of receiving Christ than you are.

      Not long ago, the institutional Roman Catholic Church refused communion to children and adults with certain types of learning disability...on much the same ground that you would refuse it to a donkey: that they couldn't understand the nature of what they would receive and, therefore, should not receive it.

      You really don't belong in ANY Christian community, do you?

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    8. 'You really don't belong in ANY Christian community, do you?'

      no.

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    9. What would be wrong with giving communion to a donkey! PMSL!
      What next? Admitting the donkey in question to seminary? Oh no - they've already done that and realised their mistake in time.

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    10. Now you're just being silly.

      Behave yourself, 17:03.πŸ˜†

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  11. I find it a disgrace and contradictory the way in which Magna Carta real or fake describe the Church. He is most likely labouring under such a defect of reason, from disease of the mind that he was willing to be ordained for the church he now says is a w***e.

    Would he say this about the church and clergy if he had been ordained ? By all accounts his leaving formation was involuntary so it does beg the question I put forward.

    I have no grudge against Magna or anyone else but I find it very strange that someone who at one point offered himself to priesthood now comes out with such vicious and savage talk.

    Thank you +Pat. I hope his is published but in your own wisdom. God Bless.

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    1. 10:36, if you are bent on criticising me, would you please try to do so on reliable premises? I never referred to the Church with that word, but only to the INSTITUTIONAL Church. You do know the difference between the two, don't you? Don't you?πŸ˜•

      The institutional Roman Catholic Church is exactly, in my opinion, as I described her. I don't see why you consider this 'a disgrace'. Institutional Judaism was described in exactly the same way (as a 'harlot') by such major Old Testament prophets as Isaiah and Ezekiel.

      Institutional religion historically has been more earth-bound, less centred on what it would claim to worship: God. Indeed, the history of institutional Roman Catholicism is, in very large part, a travesty of the gospel values it preached.

      No, I am not 'most likely labouring under such a defect of reason', or even 'from a disease of the mind' (what a Gothic imagination you have!) that I regard the institutional Church in this way. But try to be fair: far fewer of us knew the extent to which the institutional Church had enabled and facilitated the sexual abuse of children until recent years; in fact, that extent only really began with the Boston Globe's Spotlight investagation of the sexual abuse of children by priests in the Boston archdiocese and its subsequent cover-up. That led to a worldwide exposure of similar abuses and cover-ups by the institutional Church.

      We now see the true face of this church, an ugliness we could not see before because this sl*t had her face so well hidden under layers of pious-sounding clichΓ©s that no one not on intimate terms with her could possibly have known.

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    2. If we could only see ourselves as others see us...

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    3. It's just as well you can't, then 17:05, isn't it?

      I dread to think of your unavoidably hurt feelings.

      Self-disappointment is such a cross to bear.πŸ˜†

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    4. Hurt feelings?
      Projection, dear, pure and simple.

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  12. +Pat I agree that the child should be able to go forward to receive the sacrament of First Holy Communion based on what is described above. I disagree with you that everyone has a right to receive any sacrament they want. There is no automatic right to receive any sacrament.

    I would personally not refuse anyone who presents in good faith but I also know that there is no automatic right.

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    1. Of course that great lion of the Church, Archbishop Lefebvre, used to withhold Communion from notorious modernists out of respect for holy things.

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  13. when I lived in Liverpool I was very friendly with a priest. Great guy! One day we were driving along and as we passed a church a procession was entering. He turned to me and smiling said “ look at all those kids making their LAST holy communion”. ‘ nuff said.

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    1. we've heard that tale a hundred and one times on here

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  14. Poor Fr Gates, maybe he should attend the gym more often.
    Usually low height can affect how a man behaves.
    Good for Magherafelt having an integrated school...good for them.
    I’m sure the young lad will grow up to be a real man without any need for sacraments,
    Isn’t he lucky he missed the interrogations that were going on in de la Sal college Belfast...what a scandal that was.

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    1. Looks like his height may be the same as his waist in inches, e.g., 5ft 4in/waist 64in.

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    2. 12.19: This name calling, ridiculing, puerile commentary is unnecessary. What kind of trashy mind do you possess? You IQ must be -0!! Go back to school and educate yourself.

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    3. Some people refer to Fr Gates as “Ironed Face”.

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    4. ... or "iron hoof" sometimes.

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    5. With that small body and big head sitting on it maybe it’s more apt “Man in the iron mask”.

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    6. Ironed face with an iron hoof dressed up in an iron mask lol.

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  15. I don't like these modern names on children.

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    1. give me a john and mary anyday

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  16. My parents live in Magherafelt and I believe some refer to Fr Gates as the Seargent Major!!

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    1. I live in Magherafelt and I believe your parents refer to you as f*ck face

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    2. 11:49, the correct spelling is Sergeant

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    3. @11.49 He may be referred to as Seargent Major but it was Colonel Buckley that sorted him out and put manners on the little pip squeak.

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    4. 12:54 you have made the same spelling mistake. it would appear you are also the original poster. You have been caught out replying to yourself. what a dope!

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    5. Has Rear-Admiral Amy pronounced on the matter yet?

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    6. I used the wrong spelling deliberately because of you moron @12.54 & 13.48 pointing out people’s mistakes of grammer. Like the dope and imbecile you are - you fell for it. Ha ha ha.

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    7. 14:44, not really since I made the correction at 12:54, the EXACT SAME TIME you made the mistake so haha on you!

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    8. 16.10 What a sad pathetic infantile life you lead. You have both my sympathy and commiserations for sitting at the computer all day waiting to correct people’s grammar.

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    9. Grammar is indeed very important as is fresh air. I would suggest some time in the great outdoors.

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  17. You might well be right about Fr Gates and the wee man syndrome. Other than the late cabal Daly do any readers know of any other clergy afflicted with the same malady.

    Big Bert

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  18. Mr. Muldoon as a responsible parent should have tried to resolve this situation by exhausting all other avenues before contacting a non RC cleric. He could have resolved it internally with the help of the principal and teacher and Fr Gates, and failing that, he could have contacted the bishop directly as a matter of urgency. However, Mr Muldoon appears to be unable to make reasoned and pragmatic choices and perhaps would like a drama to now unfold. We wish little Conree all the best and hope he enjoys his communion day.

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    1. In my view Mr. Muldoon and his family are victims of clerical authoritarianism and high handedness.

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    2. In my view Fr Gates is the victim of parental irresponsibility and inadequacy

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    3. sadly there are drama llamas everywhere.

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    4. You'd imagine the family would minimize public exposure of the story for the sake of the little lad. try and resolve it discretely as best one can, so he can enjoy the day without any fuss. As a parent I could not do what the Muldoons have done in this situation but then again I don't know the full story. I feel for this little boy, I just wouldn't do it to any of my boys

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    5. Canon O'Byrne and Canon Charles McKeown were great PP's of Magherafelt Parish. They are sorely missed. The present PP will not.

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    6. 12.17: You view doesn't matter, you silly, interfering, laced dressed old dame. Get real work and stop making trouble. Your partner/wife must be a very patient person. What boring, stupid living!

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    7. @13.21 Some Father/Fathers are obviously disgruntled on here

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    8. 12:08,how Mr Muldoon handled the unfair treatment of his child is a matter for him alone. I'm sure that if he had wanted your advice, he would have asked for it.

      He didn't ask for it. So mind your own business.πŸ˜†

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    9. Pat at 12.17: In my view you have made matters worse by interfering. No doubt you promised the child and his parents a freebie at your Oratory with fizzy drinks, 'wafer' ice creams and bouncing castles - oh, I forgot, you charge for sacramental celebrations, like the sham weddings - hypocrite big time Pat.

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    10. I googled bishop buckley sham weddings and I AM SHOCKED. bishop really? why did you do this? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE say you did it for the right reasons

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    11. 20.05. Amazing what people will do while at the same time condemning the "abuse" perpetrated by others! Hmmm...interesting what Google will tell you. There were no right reasons as the Judge pointed out and as you'll have read in the articles you unearthed. Yes, we all make mistakes and have our flaws...

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  19. I must not be a real catholic, as I never heard of first reconciliation.
    Didn’t happen in my day.
    One just made up sins to tell, much like nowadays, except I haven’t been to confession in years.yes I do receive holy communion.
    Please do not tell Gates this or he will excommunicated me

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    1. You're not in a state of grace and as such you are commiting the mortal sin of sacrilege by receiving Holy Communion.

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    2. 12:31, how do you know that 12:18 is 'not in a state of grace'? How do you know that he doesn't confess directly to Christ?

      Your presumptious arrogance... Jeez!πŸ˜†

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    3. 14:24, g'wan outter that!. go outside ya fecking old mary and kick a ball around!

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    4. 15:44, why don't y' offer wan o' yours...and I'll kick it as hard as y' like.πŸ˜†

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    5. Magna, 14.24: the correct spelling is "presumptuous" not as you have it. Too much drink perhaps....

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    6. 16:24 LOL love it!

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    7. This Magna Carta character is quite the vicious queen! I distance myself from such vile and degrading commentary.

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    8. Good man Canon. how are ya keeping? great day out today altogether

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    9. Canon Hep I have that brandy you requested x

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    10. The Reverend Dom the Honorable Piers Grant - Ferris (monk of Ampleforth) used to tell the children in a Catholic school in Warrington that they couldn't receive communion if they'd missed Mass and hadn't been to confession. I remember the RE teacher's glee when the police caught up with him in his state of grace!

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    11. Good man, I do like a large brandy of an evening. The sun is shining down here. I shall sit with my brandy in the shade. how good of you to think of me.

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    12. We are of like-mind, then, Canon Matt Heartburn.πŸ˜†

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  20. What a plonker!! Gates job is to minister to his community not ostracize them.

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    1. Gates is a rather small insignificant little man who wants to be a Canon. Sad really.

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    2. With a big head in every sense of the word!

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  21. Imagine this man being your parent! saints preserve us! don't drag your child into a public spate with a cleric, or anyone else for that matter. sort this out with the DIOCESE!

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  22. So you can read into my soul.have dare you...are you Fr Gates dictating as to how often I need to go to confession?
    If you walked in my boots every day, you certainly wd not need confession either.
    I’ve met people like you in Lourdes and medjogoria sp
    Holier than thou sort of people.
    How many cash handouts did you get slipped into your hand this past week?
    Go and wash your feet, and perhaps your hair too.
    I always notice that many priests forget those areas.

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    1. I have to share the truth in season or out of season, whether welcome or not. I'd urge you to return to the wonderful, healing sacrament of confession, which is a most powerful channel of grace.

      http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/11-27.htm

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    2. 13.42: An ignorant comment. I suggest you should wash your soul too along with your tongue and mouth!!! You are slandering good names and probably have no knowledge whatsoever of Fr. Gates except the biased and poisonous picture painted here. Disgusting viewpoint, you slanderer.

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  23. So when did first reconciliation start
    After the de la Sal debacle...a priest asking boys about sex.
    What is wrong with theses priests.
    Sure the boys learn biology ...they don’t need a confessional box to understand right from wrong.

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  24. So if I go to confession and tell a few pretend sins....all will be ok.
    Now you are having a laugh.

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    1. 13.46 - "... and you are being utterly stupid, silly and juvenile..."

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  25. There are many comments today condemning and criticising priests on the evidence of Fr. Gates issues, whatever they are. I suspect by the nature of some contributors that they've never darkened a church door for years, yet seem to know everything, believing they should dictate procedures and practices to priests and parishes. Let's state facts, not hearsay, speculation and idle gossip. Most parishes now are reduced to one priest, maybe with a retired priest, and the workload is huge. Priests are first and foremost human beings, like the rest of us, and therefore are subject to the vagaries of flaws, mistakes, failures and getting it wrong sometimes. I don't condone any arrogance, abuse of power, abrupt approaches or making life difficult, but some comments arise out of a deep anti Church sentiment, with a vicious bigotry, bias and prejudice. Sadly, some comments (Magna) are an incitement to hatred and encouraged by Pat. Innuendo, hearsay and gossip are not a foundation for truth and justice.

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    1. All on here are part of Pats congregation of 14 it seems, although 14 believers are better than none!
      They couldn't spell Church the majority of Pats posters!

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  26. Isn't it true Pat that canonically this Child cannot be refused the Sacrament by Fr Gates.

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    1. I'm afraid Canon Law does provide, under certain well-defined situations, for the public refusal of the Eucharist.

      Canon 915 allows for refusal of such to, for example, those formally declared excommunicates.

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    2. I'm afraid it excludes donkeys though ��

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    3. Now, 19:38 my beloved, you're just being silly again. Rome would NEVER exclude you. If it did, why I'd fix it good and proper!

      (See? I do have a feminine, caring side.πŸ˜†)

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  27. As a parent I wouldn't have my child's name and situation bandied about the internet. Why were the names disclosed?

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    1. 14.26: A very good question to ask. I wonder why Pat hasn't given a plausible answer. I think he knows It's so wrong to use this story for his own agenda and will probably tell us - the parents said I could use their names. They're worse fools.

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    2. And you two are presumptuous, neurotic ninnies.πŸ˜†

      (SEE? I spelt 'presumptuous' correctly this time! Do I get a gold star, Miss Stake?)

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    3. Magna at 20.44: Must be humiliating for so erudite a man to have to accept corrections, not for the first time. I understand that an overflow of booze can make your eyes very hazy and your mind deficient! So, get help my dear Mags: Miss Gon Dotty - (your former teacher).

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  28. “Chris Derwin is from Milltown and Rathmines in Dublin. Aged 32, he will be the youngest priest in the Archdiocese of Dublin. He said he had drifted from his faith in his early teens but returned to his local parish after the age of 16. After some year s of indecision he ended up joining St. Patrick’s seminary in Maynooth in 2008.”

    Chris was ordained on 3 June 2015 the feast of St Kevin.

    Seven years he stole from the people of Dublin. How much did it cost to fund his seven years in Maynooth?

    He isn’t academically gifted either. Had he been it would have taken only 5/6 years like Fr Paul Glennon who entered the year after and was ordained in 2015 with pint puller Chris. Then again Paul wasn’t pulling pints he was an engineering graduate.

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    1. And Fr Derwins connection to this blog today is because of .....???

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    2. Fr Paul is not in Dublin either - he is in New York with the Emmanuel Community.

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    3. 15:30 - because we want to know why he is not in active ministry and we know +Pat will find out why.

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    4. 16.16: You sound like a vicious, gossipy little Minnie. Get yourself something worthwhile to concern you - go out and feed the poor and homeless.

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    5. A tramp I'd call 16.16. Trailer trash....

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  29. I wonder Pat if you would get refused Holy Communion if you turned up in Magherafelt? Would Gates do a Phonsie on you?

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    1. Pat at 15.28: Another abuse of the sacredness of the Eucharist. Need I say more.

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    2. Pat disappointed in that response from you!

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    3. Why on Earth are you disappointed with Pat's response? The Mass is quintessentially a meal, a symbolic and sacred meal, but a meal nonetheless. And what does one expect to do at a meal? Why partake of the food on offer, of course.

      If people like Fossilised Phonsie would refuse Pat the food intended for him by the Head Chef (all heads bow here), then why shouldn't he bring his own grub? After all, what is the point of attending a meal and not eating?

      It's a shame Pat has to, though.πŸ˜†

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    4. 19.13: Magna, you prove more each day your silly, childish, immature ways. Grow up. And, as said so often, seek help for your drink problem. It would make you a better human being and help restore your self esteem and self worth. Stop making an utter fool of yourself here. Pat is your enabler in making you look so ridiculously foolish.

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    5. that magna carta isn't the full shilling. going around looking for trouble. on here, day in day out, no friends.

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    6. Boys, why don't you answer the points I made. Oh! I see: too stupid, too unlearned, to do so.

      I suppose being intellectually disabled is no picnic.πŸ˜† (Tears and sympathy😒)

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    7. 20.49: Maggie, why waste time with a total loser and silly tosser like you. Bin trash you are...We'd have more inspiring conversations with rats...

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  30. I know Fr David Moore was a great priest in Magherafelt. Did Fr Gates get him ousted out. I know the people loved Fr David.

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    1. Father Butley what do you think should happen, are you making representation?

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  31. https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/the-kerryman-tralee-edition/20180322/284039077461576

    Deacon Jones is doing funerals now. God Bless him.

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    1. He was with Ryanair the last time I read anything about him on here.

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    2. God bless him?

      I'm afraid God is 'pickier' than that.πŸ˜†

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  32. Pat there is a secret connection between Fr Derwin and the notorious Trolley Dolly seminarian. It can be all traced back to Maynooth.

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  33. Yes, Fr. David Moore is a great priest......lovely guy. Popular with everyone.

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    1. His nickname in Wexford Seminary was “Mammy Moore”

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    2. I hear yours was suckie suckie

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    3. @20.00 Was Yours ‘Big Mary Anne’. Probably.

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  34. Who cares about Derwin - he’s old old news.

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  35. Fr. Ronan Drury in Maynooth left 890,000 euro in his will! Almost 1 million bloody euro!!! What would Jesus say?

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    1. 16.43: Are you jealous of Fr. Drury's will? What a peculiar interest of yours. The man was on a professional salary and inherited property from family. So, shut up! And mind your own business.

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    2. "Go sell everything you own and give it to the poor. Then come follow me".

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    3. how do you know this.

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    4. 16.59: What are you giving to the poor? Nothing probably. So, shut up about the will of Fr. Drury.

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  36. Tut tut Derwin and Trolley Dolly are key to the fall of Maynooth. Everything is screenshoted and all will be revealed in due course.

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    1. I've been hearing that for the past two years.

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  37. Magna Carta's Mum28 April 2018 at 17:37

    In response to the question yesterday as to why Magna couldn't take his sheets to the launderama in Greenfields like the other lads, it was I who instructed him not to. As a family we have always maintained our privacy and he always had such trouble with cleanliness, even as a little lad. We thought that taking him out of combinations and putting him in vest and briefs would help with his problem, but it didn't. He still has it now. Lucky he doesn't have any lady friends.

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    1. sat at the kitchen table and that comment made me spit my tea out hehehe

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    2. had your son a tendency to erm...soil himself?

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    3. Magna Carta's Mum28 April 2018 at 20:28

      Oh the embarrassment! I must have told him thousands of times: one to wipe, one to polish, but it was no good. He used to say the paper hurt but I told him Izal is healthy. No good, any of it. The shame of our washing line on a Monday, which I've never shared before, but talking to you helps, Canon, I can tell you're sympathetic.

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    4. 19:58 scuttered all over himself he did.

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  38. Pat Michael Collins reported Byrne in his first year of seminary to the Arch Bishop for compromised behaviour patterns and then few years later signs off as deemed fit for oordination.

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  39. Indeed Bishop Pat strange goings on especially Mick Collins role in protecting Byrne. Believe me Bishop Pat Collins is no saint.

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  40. whose Bishop Pat Collins?

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    1. 19:58 it’s bad grammar. It’s Fr Michael Collins Director of Formation they’re talking about.

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    2. 19.58: Your grammar is awful: your comment should begin with "Who is..." not "whose"! Another member of the prospering ignorami on this blog. Many of the lazy commentators should return to primary school.

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    3. the plural of ignoramus is not ignorami -- it is a Latin verb that is used as a noun in English, where the plural is ignoramuses

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    4. Ignoramus is not a Latin verb, as even an elementary knowledge of the language would show.

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  41. Collins the goon should leave with what little dignity he has left,it would save Killaoe alot of embarrassment. Collins is just a lap dog for pp and fanny.

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  42. Pat its truly strange goings on for example Collins would always walk at the exact same pace as PP during their timed walks to Cafe Bon bon, its stange Collins is never seen walking with Fr Surlis. Surlis prob cant stand him. What would Collins no about governance or etiquette.

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  43. I wouldn’t go to confession. Why would anyone want to tell a dirty old man his or her sins? Probably sitting in the little dark box playing with himself. Talk to God like we Talk to Joe !

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    1. Yes, I suspect that many of them did 'play with' themselves. What else was likely with such intrusive, droolingly lascivious questions as 'how many times?'

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    2. I suspect you play with yourself too a helluva lot, Mag.

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    3. 23:01,I do actually. But I shall always purity.

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  44. Collins as senior dean is a massive mistake. Collins is continuing to take out his deep anger issues on seminarians. The man needs at least a month in a psychological facility which deals in suppressed anger and trauma.

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    1. Was Paul Prior the Senior Dean? Is Collins living in the Vice-President's apartment in St Mary's.

      I'm not surprised about the will of that mincing old fraud, Ronan Drury. He never did a day's work in his life. Imagine a parish-dodger teaching future PPs how to preach!

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    2. Ronan Drury did an immense lot of good, especially away from the lime light, including great generosity to people in need. If everyone had their own, the amount he bequeathed would have been much greater.

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  45. Great buzz on this blog +Pat. Magna Carta should do stand up and you can be his MC

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    1. Well he could do, but sadly the occasions on which he actually can stand up are so few and far between he would not really give the full effect. People won't pay money to hear him roaring 'the w***e wouldn't ordain me', lying under a table.

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    2. 23:18, oh, I perform even better when my whistle is wet and when I'm lying down.πŸ˜ŽπŸ˜†

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  46. I fell sorry for Fr Surlis he has to endure Collins especially bad manners and no clue of leadership. I often wonder what will Mick do after Maynooth is closed, will he follow his idol pp to never returning to Parish and his diocese.

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  47. No child should be refused their First Holy Communion, I do hope Fr Gates recognises the errors of his wrong decision.
    (The Real Sister Mary)

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  48. 20.39: Keep on enjoying your sexual fantasies. You are probably a pervert as only a pervert would write such an ignorant comment. And no doubt you've "played" around a little too, not just with yourself!! Dirty old pervert.

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    1. 21-47 is that why people were interrogated as part of being”churched” the late Gerry Ryan RIP said his own wife was subjected to a sinister interrogation as part of being “churched” having had a baby.

      We know priests molested and raped in the confessional.

      Scum!

      Thanks Magna for your input regarding how far these old filthy men went in their inquisition.

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    2. ... and what about KOB? He turned the confessional into a peep-show booth. In St Mary's Cathedral, Edinburgh, presumably.

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  49. 22.26: The said G. Ryan had an anti Church agenda, so don't quote anything he said as absolute truth. I still think you are a pervert - no, scum, to use your own word.

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  50. Has anyone enquired why the team manager would refuse to allow the boy to join the trip for one absence? God forbid that Catholics should make any sort of sacrifice for their religion. Football comes first as we all know. What a non-story, just more anti-Catholic rant.

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