Saturday, 28 April 2018

MEANWHILE - BACK IN MAYNOOTH




OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS I HAVE BEEN RECEIViNG MESSAGES AND EMAILS SUGGESTING THAT THE "STRANGE GOINGS ON" ARE STILL HAPPENING IN MAYNOOTH SEMINARY?

These emailers and posters have been naming names - and while at the moment I have no reason to doubt them - I do not have sufficient evidence to name names.

One "seminarian" is claiming that a senior seminarian with King Puck connections is harassing younger seminarians?

Another "seminarian" is suggesting that a seminarian with a track record for "strange goings on" has now got a new, junior seminarian in his clasp?

Another "seminarian" is suggesting that strange things happened on a fairly recent Maynooth trip to Prague.



A priest is named in connection with the Prague trip.

We know that there are circa 20 seminarians in Maynooth at present.

We also imagine that after last year's big Grindr scandal that seminarians would have been wise to keep their heads down.

But is it the case now, as the big scandal is receding into the past, that heads are now popping above the parapet again?

Is this human nature coming to the fore again?

Or are these suggestions not true and that someone. somewhere is just making trouble?

The answer is, that as of yet we do not know.

However, as names have been named to me I feel that it should be investigated.

The proper people to investigate these claims are the particular seminarian's bishops.

So I have written to two bishops, passing on the information, and asking them to investigate.

Of course, I have very little confidence in the Irish Bishop's trustworthiness.

And the Blog will, if the evidence truly emerges, will publish it.

In any event, it looks to me as if Maynooth may not have changed at all and the foxes have been keeping quiet until the chickens have stopped squawking?



BISHOP PAT BUCKLEY

bishopbuckley1@outlook.com
UK: 07488 374364
NON UK: 0044 7488 374364


105 comments:

  1. Why are seminaries going to Prague?? For goodness get praying, studying and serving. We need real men in the priesthood, not distracted young men who have entered seminary with no intention of working at a celibate life... The future they have signed up for.

    PP of Keady

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    1. Prague has earned a seemingly permanent spot on the LBGT nightlife circuit and accrues a wide variety of clientele.

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  2. 'There are dark forces at work in Maynooth'

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  3. Close the place down before the Pope arrives.

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  4. There are certain Seminarians from Kerry & Armagh who should never ever be ordained. Nothing but very very dangerous men.. An expression on their face that says it all... Cross them at all and they’ll make sure you’ll never see the Bishop’s hands upon your head...

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  5. Don't you mean sememarian?

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  6. To quote Bishop John Buckley (in a private meeting which I attended). "Maynooth are the experts in formation, they are not to be challenged".

    To quote Tom Deenihan, "clearly you have never dealt with priests except in a pastoral role".

    Enough said.

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    1. "Maynooth are the experts in formation" - isn't that a big part of the problem?

      The RCC would do better if its seminaries only admitted men who could clearly demonstrated that their characters, godly and resolute, had already been firmly formed and weren't likely to be changed.

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  7. It is very difficult to validate the accuracy or inaccuracy of information given to Pat. I would have thought that in light of investigations over the past 2/3 years that the system of formation and training would be much more open, transparent and accountable. Can we actually confirm if it is students who are forwarding stories of alleged "goings on"? Is someone, somewhere (?) making up stories, a student from the past, a former priest? We Don't know for certain and in the meantime suggestions, innuendo, half truths, gossip and hearsay will be flung around like confetti at a wedding. It is morally and ethically unacceptable to write a story simply intimating "goings on" without 100% proof. In the waiting game of verification, people's names and reputations are smashed. Can any person justify this type of journalism - throwing out "alleged" stories and allowing the public have a carnival of judgment, vicious name calling, prejudice and condemnation. I work only on THE TRUTH only.

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  8. ***** MESSAGES

    I want to acknowledge all recent messages about Maynooth - including the long one received this morning.

    I am acting on these messages.

    The more information I have the better.

    Pat

    bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

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    1. MourneManMichael29 April 2018 at 10:17

      Pat: can you share with the blog the nature of the "messages"?
      If they are simply posts/comments to the blog site or similar unidentified informants via email, then indeed there is much good sense in what Anon@ 08:55 above says, and great caution is proper.
      You will certainly know that I am certainly no apologist for Maynooth! But fair play to all.
      MMM

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    2. I have received very detailed information from several sources.

      I have passed on these details to the bishops for investigation.

      I think that this is a responsible first step.

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    3. MourneManMichael29 April 2018 at 11:49

      Not asking for the information or messages! Just what kind of communication: personal e mail with name of sender/anonymous; unsigned/signed with address letter; anonymous post to the blogsite , etc etc.

      You say: "detailed info from several sources". Are there similarities in the various sources revelations? Have they come to you at different times? Is there a possibility of mischievous collusion by several informants, or even one anon?
      I'm instinctively curious, suspicious,..... and cautious.
      MMM

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  9. "The more information I have, the better", says Pat. It's like reading a script from Crime Scene Investigates. Who has authorised Pat to investigate on hearsay evidence? We have to be very circumspect and careful about allegations made. I'm always wary of anonymous notes given through a blog because there is no verification process. It is not acceptable to infer all kinds of conclusions without the truth. It is very morally wrong to subject named individuals to imbalanced scrutiny and analysis.

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    1. Those who ask the intervention of the Blog and myself authorise investigation.

      If only you knew what is going on!

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    2. @09.45 Sounds like you are worried your name might crop up.

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    3. 14.49: It's the right of every citizen to be innocent until proven guilty: It's a foundational principle of every judicial provenance. Sadly, on this blog people's name can be dissected, defamed and torn apart. The principle is turned upside down - guilty till proven innocent. But then, Pat doesn't care.

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  10. Pat this is easy just get the cctv video footage of the two maynooth seminarians enerting Sauna Babylonia the gay sauna in prague.

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    1. One travelgay review said: “The reception and staff at Babylonia are friendlier than at Labyrint sauna, more welcoming. We went on a Saturday evening, not that much of a crowd the whole evening (5:30pm till 1am).
      The crowd is mixed with mostly 35-55ish. Also some 55-70ish and a few I’d say in their eighties. The steam rooms are very hot and standing up in them isn't something you will do very long because of the heat. Some activities there, but it seems most happens in the cabins in the basement (I guess because of the heat in the steam rooms).Too bad they don't have a jacuzzi, but they have a sitting area in between the two steam rooms and a very nice area with loungers to take a rest at the end of the very nice shower area. We always wear slippers and can only advise everyone to do so. The cleanliness is okay, but the crowd and activity level was a bit disappointing. One improvement would be to give out a condom with the towel plus the option of a PrEP tablet. They have a small glass with some condoms at the bar, but everyone is watching you when you take one.”

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  11. Wonderful news!

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  12. Pat would you have currently substantial new information on Maynooth seminary which you could pass onto the media.

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    1. For now I have written to a number of Irish bishops.

      I am also in contact with a journalist with a national publication.

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  13. Bishop Pat thank you for acting as a voice for us in Maynooth seminary. If I may also please contact the political elite both sides of the border. Time is running out before Fr Fanny strikes again.

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    1. I can assure you that I am raising all your concerns at the highest level - and will continue to do so.

      I'm not sure the "political elite" would be of much use on this matter.

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  14. I was pondering there why the Priestly life seems to attract so many Gay folks.

    Then again if we had as many heterosexual Priests there’d be all kinds of shenanigans just as bad if not worse.

    People are just people I guess: they get lonely, sometimes they feel the need to satisfy sexual urges.

    This may be a bit on the fringe of established thought (I like to think this blog deals with the fringes tho) but I’m personally not that bothered if Priests are having relationships in Maynooth: as long as they are healthy in themselves.

    Some of the examples I’ve heard are absolutely shocking/abusive and rightly held up to public scrutiny. Abuses of power etc

    But if two young seminarians do whatever I’m not really that bothered as long as they come through the Seminary ready to be Priests and in a good place.

    By the way this kind of craic is not particular to the Priesthood/seminary.

    Whilst I don’t know about the Gay side of things I’ve seen similar institutions first hand. Student Nurses accommodation, army Barracks etc.

    When you get young people, take them away from home and into an institution funny things happen. Add professional pressure and hormones into the mix and it’s quite cocktail of opportunity, loneliness and lust.

    This applies wither it’s a seminary, student accommodation block, army barracks, Junior Doctors accommodation: whatever.

    Young people will do these things. I guess the difference is if I’m tip toeing out of a nurses accomodation block in the morning I’ll probably be feeling quite pleased with myself.

    If a seminarian is tip toeing our of a room in Maynooth they will most likely be feeling ashamed, guilty and very disturbed.

    Society says that one is ok and the other is not.

    They’re both essentially the same thing tho. Maybe heterosexual young people should feel a little less caviler and homosexual seminarians should cut themselves a bit more slack?


    Just a few thoughts.

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    1. “If a seminarian is tip toeing out of a room in Maynooth they will most likely be feeling ashamed, guilty and very disturbed.”

      Obviously, not, if the ongoing strange goings-on is anything to go by.

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    2. True, Rusty Madra. And there has been a lot of reports of sexual abuse of young army cadets in the Britain and the USA by their superiors and fellow cadets. Some victims have taken their own lives. But we expect better in the Church.

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    3. 13:37, these days, most of us DON'T share your expectations of institutional Roman Catholicism; on the contrary, we expect considerably less and are rarely disappointed.😆

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    4. I was very disappointed by your comment about "degrading" and "receiving feminine roles". You've really crossed the line, Magna Carta!

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    5. Don't know why you're disappointed at my comment, 18:13: it doesn't contain that word and that phrase.

      You can't read well, can you?😆

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    6. You can't read your very own post at 16:07, MC. The shame of it.

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  15. What do the two deans do all day and why does such a tiny community need two deans and two spiritual directors? I thought there was a priest shortage?

    Having three seminaries for the Irish church (Maynooth, Rome and Belfast) is a grotesque waste of money and personnel.

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    1. Some seminaries dont even have deans! And produce better priests from better seminary communities

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    2. I think "dean" refers to "directors of formation". Surely every seminary has a director of formation?

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    3. No they don't. For example in Maynooth the priests living on campus could take a small number of seminarians as their students - perhaps it is better to say that every priest living in is a dir of formation. In such a system there is a greater array of opinions (greater checks and balances), and power is spread thinly to avoid corruption of priests. Maynooth's (& the Irish College's) structure of focusing power in the hands of the few is not the norm any more.

      Also a seminarian struggling with a particular formator can move easily to another - which helps avoids psychological damage (it is a fact that a psychologist will not be suitable for every client and priestly formation is a psychological relationship). If the seminarian struggles with two different formators having changed well then that may be a suitability question.

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    4. Paddy Hannon a director of formation? Only if the meetings were held in the Roost or Caulfield Arms, lol.

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  16. Bishop Pat have you contacted Maynooth about the Sauna Babylonia visit by two seminarians.

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  17. Well i know Mick Collins uses skype to video call pp everyday. Collins needs pp soft voice to suppress the deep anger issues of why did i take the job and ruin my reputation in Ireland.

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  18. Speaking of Maynooth, does anyone know what has happened to M Byrne? The last I heard, he had decided against pursuing a career in the Garda, and had requested a return to priestly ministry?

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  19. Bishop Pat this new scandal is worse as it involves a systematic cover up of a so called football trip.

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    1. It must have been fun though, I can just imagine their excitement and anticipation of meeting some lovely big Czech guys.

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    2. 13:59, you're gay, aren't you?

      Why do some gays take such risks with their physical health (not to mention risks with their souls) through anonymous sex with 'some lovely big Czech guys' and the like?

      The kind of sex that seems to interest you (anal) must be dirty, smelly, and downright painful no matter how much 'lube' is involved?

      Why do you take such risks? And why do you allow yourselves to suffer so much?

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    3. It is dirty, smelly and painful and for the "bottom" degrading as it puts him in the feminine receiving role.

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    4. Magna Carta, what’s “degrading” about “receiving” and being in a “feminine role”? You’re mask has slipped and your naked homophobia is showing.

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    5. 16:16, I think you are referring to Magna CarTAR, since my post does not express the word 'degrading', nor the phrase 'feminine receiving role'.😆

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    6. This time it is "Your mask.. 'as it does not mean "You are"

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    7. Actually the fake Magna Carta's prejudices are showing. 13:59 gave no indication of his/her sexual orientation or even gender, and was only commenting on someone else's enjoyment of big Czech men. But on the basis of no evidence Magna feels the need to ask whether 13:59 is gay (as if it matters or is any of his business).
      Once again he not only displays his own puerile sexual preoccupation but also his inability to analyse evidence.

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    8. Magna Carta's Mum29 April 2018 at 17:41

      Oh please don't confuse our family name. It upsets Magna so much, and has done since the boys at school used to call him 'Catarrh'.

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    9. And fake Magna introduced the words smelly, dirty and painful. A most unfortunate individual is fake Magna.

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    10. 17.39: All you Maggies are annoying. One worse than the other. All efforts at humour are abysmal. Seems to me whoever "you" all are that you are all stuck in your adolescent phase, psychogically damaged, and in need of healing psychotherapy and counselling. You're all daft, bonkers and mad, Magna Carta, Magna Black and Magna Carta Mum - boring, infantile, stupid....

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    11. @19:34 Thank you so much for the kind words of encouragement. I have made such efforts to make quality contributions here, without stooping to the continual name calling and criticism which prevails so often, although of course I do not claim to be as educated as Magna Blue does. I am glad my efforts are appreciated and will redouble my efforts in future.

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    12. 20 22: You idiotic moron. Get a life beyond this blog. Crap.

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    13. @20:51 More encouragement! Thank you once again. I have my notice letter all ready to hand in at my day job (as Chair of Theology in a university which shall remain nameless because Magna Blue gets so jealous) so that I can devote my entire day to this blog. And all through your encouragement! X

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    14. My Kind regards and best wishes to Mrs Carta.

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    15. 16.16, As we all know by now, Magna hasn't developed beyond adolescence. Nor has he, despite his "learning" matured - emotionally, mentally, humanly or psychologically. Don't be surprised at his homophibia: he's been rejected by many - men and women - in his miserable life. He's a pitiable creature.

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    16. Magna Carta's Mum29 April 2018 at 22:52

      Thank you, Canon. I have passed on the hints you gave me about cleanliness and purity, to little Magna.

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    17. Magna Carta at 15:22: wot gay dear, me dear, gay dear? No dear! Just wot are you inssssinuating? I find you impertinent. Derek.

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  20. Pat

    Would you have an update on Conan McGonagle?

    It would be nice to get an update on the Armagh student B. Marshall who got him kicked out too. I heard he does not sleep in his own bed anymore?

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    1. Hahahahah true

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    2. Predator Marshall

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  21. I wish someone would leak the full report arising from the Apostolic Visitation to Maynooth. The one on the Irish College was leaked, leading to the departure of Paul Prior.

    Missing the point somewhat, the disgraced Prior was appointed as a Dean in Maynooth, where he terrorised seminarians for years. One of his favourite questions was "if you get an erection during Mass how do you integrate it into your prayer?"

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    1. 13:44, I should have thought an erection's occurring during Mass would be brought on by an absence of prayer and the presence of lustful thinking.

      So how to integrate this into prayer? What a silly question from a silly Paul Prior!

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    2. Magna Carta, erections can occur anytime, anyplace, anywhere. Involuntarily quite often and not necessarily lustful thinking at all. What do you do? Ignore them! Paul the Pry-er was getting his jollies. What a perverted question!!

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    3. @16:13 go easy on the fake Magna Carta! At his age he probably doesn't remember spontaneous erections.

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    4. Ugh ! I was eating my dinner just now...

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    5. 16:42, hope you weren't gorging on German sausage.😆

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    6. I have never got erect in Mass.Prior clearly does not preys rather than prays.

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    7. It was a chipolata, if truth be told, 17:02.

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  22. What’s all the talk about a “trolly dolly” in Maynooth? Can’t keep up with the cryptic comments. What’s a PrEP tablet?

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    1. PrEP is Pre Exposure Prophylaxis - it's taking HIV medication just in case, usually because you plan on unprotected sex. It's bonkers in my opinion.

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    2. The trolley dolly was a former member of that notoriously masculine trade, cabin crew, who was reinvented as a sem for an NI diocese. A music student, inevitably.

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  23. Paul Prior a man in his 50s now look at what he has accomplished lol never in a parish, run out of rome in disgrace and Fr Fanny recuses him and then look what happens Maynooth. It's beyond me Bishop Pat how Mick Collins looked up to Prior as God. Poor Collins has no clue of the past history of Prior.

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    1. As Paul Prior is 5ft 2" it's a case of Fr Collins looking down on him.

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    2. Poor Collins??? Give me a break. I'm surprised he has gotten out of these scandals relatively unscathed.

      As for him looking up to Prior - no. I'm pretty sure he'd be looking down to him.

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  24. Pat have you made contact with the Irish Independent. This new scandal with regards to Sauna Babylonia goes beyond the grindr scandal.

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    1. Babylonia-gate seems tame compared to Grindr shame.

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    2. In both cases scandal is in the eye of the beholder.

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  25. I have read the posts here with interest over the last few days, mainly because I am pleased to see what passes for 'formation' and clerical bad behaviour is now being exposed on the Internet. What you read here is only what has been the subject of clerical gossip for years.
    Now hopefully this will continue, as I can think of a few RC institutions where there have been multiple complaints to the 'responsible authorities' for years, which have been ignored. Farnborough Abbey springs to mind, for example.

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  26. So much talk about allegation. Round and round the garden. The proper steps need to be taken to sort the matter. Then share as appropriate.

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    1. Sozzled again, Miss Page.

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  27. Bishop Pat can we expect new information to follow on tomorrow with regard to this new Maynooth Scandal.

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    1. 17.07: Your question is reminiscent of childhood school days when as children we had to say - "Please sir/miss, can I go to the toilet?" or "Mammy, can I have an ice cream?". - What age are you asking such a quizzical question like a child? Are you still in adolescence looking upon Pat Buckley as an imaginary "father figure"...You must be very stuck for conversation material. Get a life.

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  28. What's all the fuss about?
    Some salient points to make and remember:

    1. Young people are sexually active today at an earlier stage than they were even one generation ago.

    2. It's rare today for someone to enter seminary immediately after school. Candidates could have years of sexual activity, straight and gay, behind them when they decide to move in the direction of priesthood and religious life.

    3. It's going to take them some time to adjust to see whether they are capable of living a celibate life.

    4. Irish (and the broader European) society officially has parity of esteem for same-sex and other-sex relationships.

    5. There are non-celibate priests in active ministry and in good standing with their diocese.

    The cumulative effect of these factors suggests that we are witnessing a cultural shift in relation to a celibate, male priesthood. Current seminarians are men of their time.

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  29. Pat, some of the comments approved by you today are pornographic and unacceptable. On a Sunday, isn't it a peculiar pastime for you? And immoral....

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  30. Talking of scandals, Maynooth and strange goings on. Does anyone know the identity of the drunk English Seminarian (now a Priest) who was attacked by an Australian Seminarian who broke his leg in the Beda, Rome a few years ago. What could have provoked such a reaction?

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    1. that would be a Fr.Fake Story. lovely guy. often appears on here

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    2. The now Fr. Tom Montgomery (who has an issue with alcohol) came onto him and he punched him broke his nose and then the drunk Fr. Tom fell down the stairs and broke his leg. Fr. Tom was promsied ordination if he did not sue. Scandal !

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    3. Yes 21.36 He has big issues with drink. The Australian who thumped him was sent packing and Montgomery was saved by Vin Nichols. He is well known in Lourdes for his drunken antics during the Westminster pilgrimage.

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    4. He made it through the Beda by the skin of his teeth, was held back a year from Diaconate because they were so unsure.

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  31. The Sauna Babylonia scandal does go beyond the grindr scandal as this trip was sponsored by Maynooth. Maynooth gave a discount for flights, food, accommodation and I wonder was College money used for the entrance fee into the gay sauna. These questions need investigation and answers.

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    1. It doesn't matter, everything in the Czech republic is as cheap as chips. It hasn't cost parishioners much, a couple of quid at most, so stop worrying.

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    2. Usual crack of selling "charity" tickets to parishioners during the holiday to fund the inter-seminary football trip. I think it immoral.

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  32. Collins has one major Skelton in his past. My advice for Mick is get out while its relatively calm.

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    1. Is it a BBC? I wonder.

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  33. Bishop Pat will there be a national publication in the media with this new emerging scandal.

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    1. Can't see it myself, despite the feeding frenzy.

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  34. Lol Mick Collins was a wild seminarian I could never keep up with him, loved his pints and the women. How did he ever get ordanied he doesent know his arse from his elbow.

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  35. Collins is just an angry mental case. He controls the hetero sexual seminarians by instilling fear and I'm unsure how he controls the gay seminarians.

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    1. "I'm unsure how he controls the gay seminarians."

      How about: "play with my balls, they're an athlete's balls."

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    2. I'd fall for it every time, +Pat, I am sorry to say.

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  36. Omg Collins found of drink and women no surprise.

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  37. Collins is nothing but a bully and a sadist. Always leaves you hanging and never knowing what he’s gonna do to or about you next.

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