Friday, 4 May 2018

ALLEGED SACRILEGIOUS INCIDENT AND CLOYNE DIOCESE




IT IS ALLEGED THAT THE SACRILEGIOUS SEXUAL INCIDENT REPORTED YESTERDAY ON THIS BLOG TOOK PLACE IN A CHURCH WITHIN THE CATHOLIC DIOCESE OF CLOYNE.


WILLIAM CREAN


When I received the allegation on Tuesday I immediately sent the Bishop of Cloyne - William Crean - an email giving him full details and enclosing the full unredacted photographs.


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BISHOP WILLIAM CREAN
BISHOP OF CLOYNE

30th April 2018

Dear William,

I have been contacted today by a young man who has supplied me with photographs he says shows Father Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx having sex with a young man on the altar of Kildorrey parish church.

Father Xxxxxxxx sent these pictures to another young man who he was attempting to seduce.

I would be most grateful if you let me know you got this email and assured me you would investigate.

+Pat Buckley

0044 7488 374364

bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

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THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ASSERTION THAT THE PRESENT PARISH PRIEST OF KILDORRERY HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS INCIDENT - OR EVEN HAD ANY KNOWLEDGE OF IT.

The incident allegedly predates the current parish priest's time in the parish.

The pictures show a man naked under a priest's alb engaging in sexual acts with a younger man who is lying on the altar with his jeans pulled down.

My informant says that the man in the alb is a priest. However, the picture shows a half-naked man from behind with the alb raised to show his genitalia.

The younger man's penis is in the mouth of the man in the alb.

Another picture shows a man with his erect penis protruding from his trousers with a priest's clerical collar draped over it.

The young man, whom I am in contact with by telephone and email is alleging that the man in the alb is, in fact, a priest and that he has been emailing these pictures to other young men in an attempt to engage them in sexual activity.

Below you will see picture comparisons of the indecent pictures and an independent picture of the church involved.

The round window behind the altar is a match.

The decorations on top of the brass tabernacle match.

The carving over the brass door matches.

The altar front matches.

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William Crean has not even acknowledged my email!

However, Cloyne Diocese has acknowledged to others that an investigation is taking place.

The parish priest of Kildorrey acknowledged yesterday that he and Bishop Crean knew about the alleged incident.

Yesterday the Kildorrey Community Development organization also received information.


This is more bad news for Cloyne after:

1. The Cloyne Report into Abuse.

2. The resignation of the previous bishop - John Magee.

3. The resignation of the Cloyne Safeguarding Officer after a dispute with Crean last year.

4. And now the sacrilege allegation.


Cloyne is not functioning well.




THE IRISH INDEPENDENT TODAY


Altar sex act by man in priest vestments is caught on camera

Gardaí investigate 'sacrilege'

Sarah MacDonald
May 4 2018 2:30 AM

The Catholic Church has called gardaí to investigate images apparently showing a man in priest's vestments performing a sex act on the altar of an Irish church.

It is understood that several senior clerics, including bishops, have been made aware of the shocking images over recent days.

The Catholic Church confirmed to the Irish Independent the matter had been reported to gardaí and a full investigation is expected to follow into the apparent sacrilege.

A spokesperson for the diocese declined to comment further for legal reasons in view of "the criminal nature of the alleged incident".

A source who obtained the images, and who wants to remain anonymous, described what is depicted as happening in the church as "an abomination".

The graphic images show two men engaged in sexual activity across what appears to be the altar of a small country church, or in intimate poses.

There is no suggestion that the intimate act is not consensual.

However, they have been described as deeply sacrilegious in their depiction of a priest, or man dressed as a priest.

Any investigation will examine the veracity of the images, and the church where the act is alleged to have taken place. "The photographs depict something that appears somewhat satanic," the source told the Irish Independent.

He called for "some sort of an exorcism at that church".

He also questioned how many people had received communion at the altar of the parish church since its violation, or had been confirmed, buried or married from it.
He urged the bishop of the diocese to launch an investigation to determine whether the man in religious vestments is actually a priest.

The diocese concerned declined to give an indication as to whether the church has been re-consecrated.

The Catholic Church teaches that sacrilege occurs when sacred objects are used for an unworthy purpose. This includes the profane use of sacred vestments.

Church law also teaches that defiling a sacred place by sexual acts is sacrilege.

According to Church law: "A church is desecrated by actions that are gravely injurious in themselves and a cause of scandal to the faithful."

The concerning images will be investigated during a year when the Catholic Church in Ireland is facing challenges including the upcoming abortion referendum.

The papal visit in August is expected to be a celebration of the family, but there will also be a strong focus on his response to victims of clerical sex abuse scandals.

The Church has also been under scrutiny over its attitudes towards same-sex couples in the run-up to the World Meeting of Families later in the summer.

Irish Independent


MAN DRESSED AS PRIEST PERFORMS SEX ACT ON ALTAR





198 comments:

  1. The sad picture I am seeing here is one of a church without God. Not that God has abandoned the church but part of the church has abandoned God. When this kind of stuff happens the comments flood in. Many are ballanced but some reflect the frustrations and perhaps the issues of the posters. Like the people of the Exodus all need to return to God

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  2. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/altar-sex-act-by-man-in-priest-vestments-is-caught-on-camera-36872132.html

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  3. "The parish priest of Kildorrey acknowledged yesterday that he and Bishop Crean knew about the alleged incident."

    Do you mean, +Pat, they already knew about it before you brought it to their attention?

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  4. +Pat, did the incident take place before or after Coyle and McCamley? It seems strange another priest would take such risks after these big two scandals.

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    1. I do not know the date of the incident.

      Priests continue to take these risks right up to today.

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    2. Extraordinary.

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  5. Pat, there is an article on Independent.Ie re: altar sacrilege but the giver of information is "anonymous". Presumably you are the anonymous source. Why the secrecy? Also, as is possible, the two people caught in the act may well have been crazy, out of their minds individuals, not who is suggested on blog. A complete investigation hopefully will establish the truth. What if, in the meantime, you rush to wrongful conclusions? Where to from here?

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    1. I did speak to the Independent and told them to attribute everything I said to me.

      The fact that they didn't was their decision.

      The source if this story is a young man who claims he received these pictures from a priest.

      He provided the Independent with information and agreed to meet their journalist.

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    2. PS: The Independent was given the name of the alleged priest.

      I imagine this is their first bite at the story.

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    3. Is it true that the priest in question offered his resignation to his bishop in January of last year as a Parish Priest.

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  6. Bishop Pat, How many people read your Blog?

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    1. This is from the "stats" section of the blog.

      Pageviews today 1,272

      Pageviews yesterday 8,008

      Pageviews last month 122,713

      Pageviews all time history 4,320,093

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  7. I’d say these are repeal the 8th activists. This will discredit the Church now for any argument they put forward as to why repealing the 8th amendment is wrong.

    I’m surprised they didn’t think of doing this for the same sex referendum.

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    1. This is what you get when you demand a secular society which has no respect for God and his rightful place in the lives of those He created. More and more, He is marginalised.

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    2. 08.43: Undoubtedly there are mischief makers about but I think you are confused - if It's repeal the 8th activists, then your sentence should have word "right" instead of "wrong"...It's not inconceivable that anyone might deliberately carry out this sacrilege, not necessarily a priest, but if it is a priest, he should be stood aside for ever. Hopefully the truth will fully emerge soon.

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    3. They didn't do it before the same-sex referendum, 08:43, because they probably weren't responsible for those pics. Yes?😆

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    4. 09:20, God was 'marginalised' by many in the Church way before the advent of your 'secular society'. Secularism has little to do with it; insincerity and hypocrisy have everything to do with it.😆

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    5. You are entitled to your opinion. as I am to mine in light of my experience.

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  8. +Pat - it wasn’t that long ago this Bishop said that it was unsuitable for a coffin to be open in the church where the Blessed Sacrement is reserved.

    Yet William won’t denounce sex on the altar ?

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    1. I did not know he said that stupid thing.

      If the deceased's soul is with God why can't their body be seen in the Church.

      Also, Crean has so far failed to reconsecrate St. Bartholomew Church I Kildorrey where the sex act happened on the altar.

      Crean is stubborn and arrogant.

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    2. 08:56, when did open coffins in churches start? That was always for the "viewing rooms" in hospitals and funeral parlours. They do it in St Peter's for Popes and they used to do it in Red Square for deceased senior Communists. In all cases it's undignified. A coffin should arrive in a church closed. It signifies the finality of death and helps the horrible process of grieving.

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    3. 20.46 Poppycock! Open coffins have been a tradition since I was a lad. Who says a coffin should arrive in a Church unopened? You seem to make up your own rules, thank God many don't share your thinking.

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    4. In which diocese do you live? I've never seen an open coffin in a church in my NI diocese (and aren't I glad that the diminishing word "chapel" is falling out of use as a way of describing a Catholic church in N Ireland.

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  9. 08.43 Do you realise how utterly ridiculous and stupid your post sounds and comes across. Repeal the 8th activists you claim? Where was their banner and propaganda in the photographs or any statement to follow the incident from them. I have never in my life heard such ludicrous trash. Wise up 08.43 for God sake.

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  10. Crean is a thick man, totally stubborn and has no pastoral sense whatsoever. He is only interested in watching his back, protecting himself and his diocese. To allow Mass to be celebrated on that altar until at least an investigation is concluded is a grave error of judgement on his part. Shame on you Crean.

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    1. Crean is allowing the Body of Christ to be placed on an altar which has been desecrated.

      There are TWO churches in Kildorrey parish.

      The non desecrated church should be used until the desecrated one is reconsecrated.

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    2. can you please email the Cardinal Robert Sarah at the Congregation of Devine Worship and the Sacraments and let him contact the Bishop.

      you will get the email on google

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    3. Not one of your better ideas, 13:25. Sarah would insist on nothing less than Mass ad orientem in perpetuity. 😆

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    4. That would be a very good thing. If it was good enough for centuries upon centuries and for our greatest saints it's good enough for me. Away with Cranmer tables!

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    5. 09:24, wish I had Cranmer's strength of faith and the courage it gave him at the end to die heroically, spitting in the face of institutional Roman Catholicism.

      As for Mass ad orientem, did Jesus, and the men and (likely) women at the Last Supper, face away from one another? Or were they gathered round Cranmer-style?

      Whadaya think? 😆

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  11. I wouldn't put it past them.

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  12. Article written by Sarah MacDonald. Pat can you get someone with credibility to write on this. No one ever believes her far fetched stories. Thanks

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    1. To my knowledge Sarah McDonald is a good journalist who tackles things others avoid.

      Don't forget that editors, sub editors and lawyers change her writing all the time.

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    2. Sarah MacDonald is more inclined to write on the basis of gossip and rumours which in turn is why editors, sub editors and lawyers have to redact her writing so much. In my opinion she is not a credible writer.

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    3. 09:12 +Pat that’s true. I worked with a lawyer whose job it was to review and edit before going to press. We have a culture in Ireland where defamation cases can destroy a business. They have to be extra careful.

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    4. 9:16 I have found Sarah Mc Donald scrupulous in checking out facts and sources.

      I think you must be prejudiced.

      Have you ever even met her?

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    5. Yes I have. She is a nice person. I am not attacking her. I am talking about her writing credibility. I never said this story is not true either, i think it is. I was talking about the general articles she writes.

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    6. Why don't you call her or meet her and tell her your criticisms?

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    7. 10:19 Sarah is a fine journalist and you are talking through your ass.

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  13. If the story is not credible the Irish Independent (of all Papers} would not have it on the front page. 09.09 What do you base your wild assertions on that it isn’t credible? You don’t back up your claim with any proof.

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    1. The Irish Independent KNOW this story is true.

      They will be back to it.

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    2. The newspaper also knows, better than most, that the old days of "the camera can't lie" are well and truly over now in the era of digital photography and computer put-togethers . Last week at the office of a very prestigious English broadsheet newspaper we saw a picture of Pope Francis scoring a goal while playing in his Man. United gear with the full team! Well you put a head on a different body pictorially nowadays and then place your picture in any background you want.

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  14. 09.16 Please provide examples of the journalist writing on the basis of gossip and rumour. I think you are talking through your hat to be frank. If a newspaper like the Irish Independent printed gossip and rumour it would have been out of business many years ago. All national newspapers have lawyers scanning many journalists contributions before going to print. I think you are being very prejudiced.

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  15. Pat, I'm glad you see how utterly wrong this act is. I know you are estranged from the Church, but the least you could be doing is encouraging your readers to pray for the Church, pray for the Parish, pray for the Bishop to make the right decisions... but you don't. Instead you keep regurgitating hatred and gossip.

    I also implore you to counsel James McConnell who is quite literally flying off the handle and terrorising his family and neighbours, thinking he's best buddies with you and that you're working together.... you have a duty.

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    1. I have absolutely no input into what James does.

      I know him because a female relative of his came to me years ago and claimed to have been sexually used by a priest.

      To my mind this is where all the trouble started.

      As you know, James is very independent and does his own thing.

      I have tried to mediate between him and the archdiocese of Armagh.

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  16. It’s on the front page +Pat. They didn’t show the pictures. Probably better off.

    Hopefully we will get answers soon.

    Thanks for raising this abomination +Pat.

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    1. Bishop Crean, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop Eamon Martin and the Papal Nuncio all have the NON REDACTED pictures - and the name of the accused priest.

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    2. Thanks +Pat. Me again from 10:12

      I understand. What I meant was I think it was probably better off that the paper didn’t publish the pictures (modest or indecent version) as they would not be “suitable” for national publication.

      Sorry for the confusion.

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  17. BTW it's Kildorrery, with three "r"s.

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    1. There's a bit of of overkill with the "r"s in that placename.

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  18. Surely any priest who has had sex of any kind (except a validly married priest with his own wife) is more thoroughly "desecrated" than the Kildorrery altar. What provision is there to ensure that such a priest has been absolved in confession and has completed an appropriate penance before being allowed to say Mass again? Does he not need some kind of "re-consecration"? Can't imagine that Jesus would have made such a fuss about an altar or a church building - much too "Old Testament".

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    1. By the same rather grim logic the church is desecrated by all the laity who have been up to god knows what the night before. Let's start a new church, for angels.

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    2. Don't try to compare the laity with clergy. The laity did not have seven years free formation which was meant to be devoted to growth in holiness and virtue with which to be an example to lay catholics. It is no wonder why this country is on the path to barbarism when the chaotic state of the church is apparent for all to see.

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    3. No lay person ever had the title "alter Christus"

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    4. 14:53, nor should any priest. 😆

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  19. Since the diocese has referred the matter to the gardaí, it indicates they don’t think it’s a priest or anyone associated with the church.

    Perhaps it is someone with a grudge against the church (that wouldn’t come as any surprise), or someone has done it for a dare, or just for a laugh.

    Whatever the outcome I imagine the gardaí would just give them a ticking off and tell them not to do it again.

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    1. @11.30 How do you reach such a conclusion that the Church referring it to Gardai means it's not a Priest!! I don't quite follow your logic. Surely by referring it to Gardai it saves the Diocese having to issue any statement because they can then say they can't comment on an investigation - which is what they have done. It's a thing called church politics and manipulation of the media

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    2. My understanding is that Bishop Crean has asked the Garda to compare the pictures to the interior of Kildorrery church.

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    3. @11:51

      Whatever, they’ll still end up being admonished by the church or gardaí (unless they’re repeat offenders). It’s hardly the crime of the century.

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    4. 11.51: That's a ridiculous comment. The Bishop did the right tning as is mandatory by law, to report any abuse or suspicion or awareness of abuse to relevant authorities, the gardai, Tusla or HSE. If he didn't do that, you'd be calling for his hanging.

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    5. Pat, in The Herald today,you, the source obviously of information to Sarah McDonald, is quoted as saying "you want to remain anonymous". What's going on??

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    6. I never told anyone that wanted to remain anonymous.

      I do not do anonymous.

      Everything I say I say openly and publicly.

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  20. Pat, reading Sarah McDonald's article: She said that the source of her information- presumably you - has asked for the Bishop to ascertain if the man dressed in vestments is "actually" a priest. Yet, you seem certain on this blog of the identity of "the" priest. If so, why express a different version to the journalist? Just wondering. I hope the truth can be established and I hope the Gardai will help establish the truth. Can we be informed accurately. The incident, whoever the people are, is sickening and if a real priest, I am shocked and saddened to the core.

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  21. The deluge continues Pat. The abuse that was mainly aimed towards minor males has now crystallized and fossilized into sexual predation on young impressionable vulnerable men.

    Clerical abuse has metastasized into a more dangerous and surreptitious form in that it masquerades as "consensual" private sex between two "adults".

    However, this abuse is far from private as the public effects of this scandalous behaviour on the faithful is unquantifiable and will only increase mistrust of good priests by many people in this country who are reeling and almost inoculated at this stage towards clerical sexual degeneracy and debauchery.

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    1. Were you salivating as you wrote your post?

      Just wonderin'.😆

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    2. No MC. Just extremely sad at the state of a once glorious and renowned Irish priesthood.

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    3. You would know all about “salivating” Magna, now, wouldn’t you?

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    4. 13:22, I do indeed! Nothing like a succulent roast of a Sunday to stimulate those oral glands.😆😆😆

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    5. I love making gravy out of the chicken fat in the tray of a Sunday.

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    6. Magna has his with white sauce.

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    7. Magna Carta's Mum4 May 2018 at 17:51

      Oh bless him, he's never noticed. It's actually the little bell I ring as I put the dinner on which makes him salivate. It started as a way of getting his father out from under my feet, before he was taken, of course.

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    8. 17:42, a roast with white sauce. What a queer suggestion...from a culinary ignoramus. 😆

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    9. 17:51, no it wasn't that stupid bell, mommie dearest. No one could hear it anyway.

      As for daddy's being taken, tell the truth and shame the devil: he succumbed to food poisoning through too many of your undercooked Sunday roasts. 😆

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  22. 11.32: Pat, now you are saying " you think it was a priest". You are changing the narrative. You seemed so certain of identity if the priest - what's changed that you've moved from being certain to "I think"? Clarity is essential. It is not unusual for churches to be desecrated by individuals behaving sacrilegiously or profanely.

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    1. I am changing nothing.

      From what my informant says I do believe that it was the priest named to me.

      However I do not have SCIENTIFIC certainty as I have not been able to test the priest's bodily fluids in a lab!

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    2. 11.58....Now, You're a comedian!! But a very poor one. Your comments are belittling the seriousness of the alleged incident. But You're getting incredible mileage....Please verify. TRUTH IS IMPORTANT. TRUTH.

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    3. I do not need any mileage.

      I get no gain from this blog.

      My ambition is to expose rottenness as a step towards reform and cleansing.

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    4. @12.28 Pat, "belittling the seriousness of the alleged incident". I rather think it's you doing that 12.28. If it wasn't for Pat making us aware of this situation we would still be in the dark about it. If you haven't anything constructive to say then don't say it.

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    5. 13.00: And, if you haven't anything constructive to say, then don't say anything! Same principle applies to you. Abuse of any kind is horrendous and life changing. Therefore any incidents of abuse should be treated with the utmost seriousness. Making filthy jokes and expressing lewd comments and attempting to be comedic about the awfulness of any abuse is unacceptable. Just read some of the comments today. No argument otherwise.

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    6. You sound like an old maid and a gasbag

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  23. Surely this can be cleared up quickly by Gardai if the Bishop and PP can confirm any break ins at the Church in the past. They can also confirm any break ins to the vestment cupboards which remain locked in the sacristy at all times. I'm sure the local Gardai will have records of any break ins at the Church presently or in the past. If not then that raises more questions for Bishop Crean and Cloyne

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    1. The sacristy in Kildorrery Parish Church is kept locked at all times - even when the priest is on the sanctuary celebrating Mass.

      A parishioner of the church confirmed this for me yesterday.

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  24. An Irish religious order priest asked me to perform a sex act on him as he lay on the altar of his order's chapel. I thought I was in love with him and I did what he asked. He later dropped me for another woman. Rural Ireland middle aged woman.

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    1. Why not expose him again - this time publicly?

      He will have done the same with other women.

      You can do this and remain anonymous yourself.

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  25. 12.14: Incredulous. Now we can expect a deluge of stories!! Can we believe everything we hear and read? It's so easy to tell a story and be believed, such is the horrendous, whipped up anti Catholic sentiment here and elsewhere. I do not condone abuse of any kind and am horrified at the thought of any priest behaving in so vile a manner. Many clerics have been falsely accused and were vindicated through the courts. Abuse is abuse and is wrong and sinful and warrants the appropriate consequences.

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    1. So, unpleasant truths about the RC Church and priests and are always incredulous.

      I wonder if denial such as yours creates a safety net for naughty priests?

      There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see.

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    2. 12.30: Pat, re: my comment at 12.25, I am certainly no denier of abuse incidents or of potential abuse situations. My point being, it's easy to make a claim without truthful clarification and it's too easy for any person to be falsely accused, not just clerics. I did say, when abuse is proven to have occured, the abuser should face the consequences of the law. That I believe without any equivocation.

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    3. 12:25, actually very FEW priests have been falsely accused. The majority of those accused have had a case to answer.

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  26. Dear Bishop Pat,


    Please stop giving Diarmuid Martin credit as a Primate of Ireland he is useless and only an Archbishop Of Dublin.


    Ireland has Four Archbishop's with two due to retire over next couple of years .


    Eamond Martin is the Primate of Ireland and maybe in November be Cardinal of Ireland.


    It is Good you are keeping them on their toes but really the new younger Bishop's have inherited this shocking situation and really want rid of these Deacon's Clergy and Seminarians and in the fastest way possible.


    Sadly they have a right of appeal to Rome and it takes time and they get kept in Grace and Favour homes.


    God Bless

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    1. My understanding is that DM is the Primate of Ireland.

      And that EM is the Primate of All Ireland.

      A border related distinction.

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    2. Nothing to do with the border at all, in fact. These two titles have existed in parallel for centuries. In pre-Reformation England, York was Primate of England and Canterbury was Primate of All England.

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    3. @12:44 - useless indeed he well may be - but, whether you, I or anyone else, likes it or not, he is still Primate of Ireland! It goes with the title.

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    4. Eamon Martin is The Boss in Ireland he is the Chairman of the Bishop's Conference and prelate of All Ireland.

      And Cardinal in Waiting.

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    5. He is not Cardinal in waiting. Dublin has got the red hat before Armagh in the past so I wouldn't assume anything.

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    6. 13:16, the historical rivalry between York and Canterbury arose through a personality clash between two archbishops, that is, through episcopal machismo and vanity. Which of the two men should be ecclesiastical top-dog (Primate) in England. Rome diplomatically settled the matter (as it believed) by conferring these confusing titles, but with an obvious nuance that purposefull favoured Caterbury as the primary see.

      'Primate of...' and 'Primate of All...' are legslistic (canonical) face-saving devices by Rome; their function and purpose is more concerned with ecclesiastical and secular politics than with anything else. Hence, the titles can be used in delicate constitutional situations, like the partition of Ireland in 1922.

      Bishop Pat is right and you are wrong.

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    7. Wikipedia

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    8. 14.08 A Bishop is Rome is waiting to be appointed Archbishop of Dublin in the next 18 months and certainly will not be a Cardinal.
      The Church says Armagh is the main see of Ireland so it likely go to Eamon Martin.

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    9. Lol if these two bishops were so macho couldn't they just have boxed each other for the primacy?

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    10. The twin titles of primacy in Armagh and Dublin are not post-partition diplomacy. They have existed since 1353!!! Pope Innocent VI decreed that “each of these prelates should be Primate; while, for the distinction of style, the Primate of Armagh should entitle himself Primate of All Ireland, but the Metropolitan of Dublin should subscribe himself Primate of Ireland.”

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    11. Francis has been giving the red hat to Sees that never had one before, and denying it to Sees that thought it was more or less automatic. There's no guarantee that any Irish See will get it.

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    12. It was the blue Magna who originally put forward the notion that these ancient titles were something to do with Partition lol. Unlike Ronan Sheehan, blue Magna didn't win the Ecclesiastical History Prize in Maynooth.

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    13. Oh, God! How can I admit this? How can I find the humility to fall on my metaphorical knees and confess that Magna (the real one) was WRONG about the Irish primacies?

      Oh, God the shame! 😁

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    14. 17.37 Armagh have always displayed a degree of arrogance in assuming they should get a 'red hat' automatically. Armsgh will not get one whildy Brady still hangs around like a bad pong. It's not that long ago that Desmond Connell became Cardinal - not Armagh. With its track record recently Armagh doesn't deserve it.

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    15. Ronan Sheehan5 May 2018 at 05:40

      Don't forget Cardinal Cullen.

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  27. MY COMMENTS TO THE IRISH INDEPENDENT:

    If two people have had sex on top of an altar that act would be a clear act of sacrilege and desecration. In such circumstances the proper procedure of the bishop in whose diocese the sacrilege and desecration occurred would be to reconsecrate the Church and altar.

    Those guilty of the sacrilegious and desecrationary act would clearly have committed a very grave sin and would not be fit to receive Holy Communion without first seeking absolution.

    If one or both were either a religious or Priest the local bishop would need to urgently order a canonical trial that could lead to dismissal from priestly or religious life.

    The church in question should be immediately closed pending a full canonical investigation.

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  28. WRITTEN QUOTES FROM YOUNG MAN WHO NAMED PRIEST

    Bishop,



    The priest sent the photos of himself.

    It is sickening that a priest would send those images to anyone. It's an abomination and I'm not easily shocked. I mean sex on an altar with him wearing his vestments. Bent over in his vestments showing himself off? Performing oral sex on a young male on the altar? You actually couldn't make it up. It's off the scale. 

    Then another picture sent defiling his clerical collar.

    Bishop Pat Buckley exposed the hypocrisy in Maynooth. Relevant bishops and the authorities in Maynooth had been alerted to that hypocrisy and continued to allow it to be covered up until it was covered by your paper. That is why I contacted Bishop Buckley.

    I know it sounds a bit excessive but I feel that the pope ought to visit the diocese of Cloyne and have some sort of an exorcism in that village or at that church. The photographs depict something that appears somewhat satanic. How many have received communion at that altar? Perhaps been confirmed from it? Been buried from it? Married from it?

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    1. I would be in agreement that an Exorcism of the Altar/Church might be in order.

      I am not particularly “into” the whole Satanic conspiracy theories that circulate. They are an interesting sociological study that tell us more about ourselves than illuminate us about any real Satanic Cult.

      However Violence, Nakedness and Division are always the tell tale marks of the Demonic. As is the reversing and defilement of the Profane.

      We need not be afraid or concerned though. We have received the full Victory over all the forces of darkness from Jesus.

      An exorcism of the Altar/Church May be a good way to clean and reclaim the sanctity of the place.

      Always bear in mind too that if there is a demonic presence involved they want to destroy the Priest involved in the act too. Having seen him defiled through the lewd act destroying him will be the final chapter.

      Please pray for the people in the photographs.

      And remember: however grossly offensive anyone’s actions may be pointing the finger at them and making hurtful comments might not be helpful.

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  29. Pat, isn't it revealing that a senior clergymen you sent information to does not acknowledge you. I had a similar experience with Dermot Martin in Dublin. It's almost as if it's normal to treat a certain section of people as second class citizens.

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    1. 14.33: The Bishops are not answerable to Pat. Never. In matters of alleged or real Abuse, they are answerable to the relevant authorities, the gardai, Tusla and HSE....not Pat.

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    2. They are answerable to the people they serve - what is the purpose of their existence otherwise. They are here to serve not to be served.

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  30. So if you have givenhis name to his bishop, Pat, where is he now?
    Has he been taken off duties?
    Would his parishioners know who he is?
    Why don’t you name him, just like you did Mc Camley?

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    1. I'm told he is in a "facility"?

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    2. PS: The parishioners of Kildorrery know who he is.

      They told me so yesterday.

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  31. Pat can you confirm thst the priest involved was PP in Kildorrery but is now curate in another parish in Cloyne

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  32. Kildorrery Church today at lunchtime items being removed and put in clear plastic bags. It appears to be Priests robes and altar cloths. Some of the locals are saying they were taken away in an unmarked Garda car. Nobody allowed in or near the Church during that time.
    Limerick Road Resident

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    1. That seems a bit OTT.

      Has Mass been celebrated in the Church in the past few days?

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    2. 'UNMARKED Garda car'? 😲

      Who says the institutional Roman Catholic Church no longer has political and legal clout in the Republic?

      Unionists were right: Home rule is Rome rule.

      Long live NI! (Up Rome!)

      Just sayin', like. 😆😆😆😆

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  33. Yes, Mass has been celebrated. There are a few candles burning outside.

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  34. Pat is there an email to the Nuncio where we can all send emails voicing our disquiet over this situation and asking what is being done about it.

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    1. Thanks Pat.

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    2. I myself would like to contact the nuncio about a separate issue (Non scandalous). all joking aside, how likely am I to get a reply of some sort, or some assistance?

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    3. +Pat, when you contact Eamon Martin do you use a personal email or the generic address on the website.

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  35. Nothing is OTT now and I am shocked you say that you want the Church cleansed in Ireland and when action is taken it is OTT The Church is dammed if they take action and dammed if they don't.

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    1. Its just that I cant imagine the Garda getting much evidence from the vestments.

      Maybe I am wrong.

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    2. I agree with you, Pat. It seems OTT. Maybe they are hoping to 'prove' it wasn't a clergyman.

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  36. Blue light will reveal any bodily fluid stains. Cross match a sample of DNA of suspect. Proves sexual activity in the garments

    Possibly a bit technical for the Garda tho.

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    1. I don’t think it is the public interest to go to that extent... LOL.

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    2. Like Clinton and Monica Lewinsky's frock.

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    3. Standard procedure for any modern police force. Forensics will ascertain presence of any DNA in traces or stains of semen, blood, etc..

      Are you saying the Garda are stupid? Stop being a moron, “Rusty Madra”. Some pr**k from the North looking down his nose. Typical.

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    4. 15.53 I agree. It's surprising what forensics can discover and DNA can tell a lot. The Gardai are well up to date with such technology and more advanced than people give them credit for.

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    5. 17:47 ..... your making a lot of assumptions about what I know and don’t know based on very little information you know about me... and you call me the moron ������

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  37. What is your interpretation of a facility. Pat?
    Also I don’t think anything need excorcised ..it was just a disgusting way to behave where people pray.
    I don’t believe in satanic or Satan..I’m a practicing Catholic, but I don’t have to believe in a devil.

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    1. 'I’m a practicing Catholic, but I don’t have to believe in a devil'

      I reject SATAN and all his works and all his empty promises?

      Holy Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the DEVIL

      Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.Then the DEVIL took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point

      you remind me of the man who said hes an atheist... but still catholic!

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    2. Pope Francis would disagree with you, 16:40. The Faith is not a menu board, from which we pick the things we life and ignore or oppose the bits we don't like. And always remember, membership is optional. Are you aware of the bit in the Bible where some of the Lord's followers fell away because of his "intolerable teachings"?

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    3. @16:40, you will believe in Satan and Hell when your sorry ass is being dragged there by old nick and his demons.

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    4. 17:31, some of Rome's teachings have been (and one or two still are) not only intolerable, but downright harmful to the soul.

      Can you guess what they were and are?😆

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    5. Magna : 20.37: Apart from some teachings that may be bad for the soul, it's also true that some "people" are downright detrimental to the soul. You, Magna, are one such person. Monumentally damaging not just to your own dignity and soul, but to that of others too. "Downright harmful". You often come up with brilliant descriptions of yoursef, unconsciously!

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  38. The young fella lying down didn’t seem to be getting any pleasure from whosever lips...all prob a set up for a laugh, a bit like the rugby players...flutes or a flute let loose.
    God help the parishioners, it is an eye opener for sure?

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    1. Jesus spoke clearly of Satan and Hell.

      How do you about that?

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    2. My understanding from a very very senior source is that the individual is not a priest and that this is a relief to the community affected. I have great faith in this source and they have never lied or mislead me before. A small mercy at this time indeed.

      it does however raise the question about Church's being opened and unattended. On the one hand, we can't keep the doors shut, on the other hand, we must take care to ensure the church is respected and not abused.

      RC_eire2016

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    3. My source says it was a named priest?

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    4. 16.59 I think you need to find a more reliable source. You will soon find your present one is unreliable.

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    5. 16:45, howbdo you know he wasn't getting any pleasure?

      Were you there?

      Are you HE?!😲

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    6. its defo not a priest. church militant quoting a source saying its not a priest and that the church remains opened during the day. also said its a wealthy church, not sure why they threw that in

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  39. I’m surprised at you Pat saying it was sinful.
    Sure all these robes are sinful
    Our Lord never dressed up or put on lace or gold coloured material
    Get a grip Pat..The church does not need any praying over.
    It’s just a building....mass can be said in on your kitchen table....by a priest with faith.

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    1. We Catholics believe that the faith or state of the priest does not affect the validity of the Eucharist.

      Although I do think every priest must approach Mass with tremendous reverence and be as Grace filled as possible.

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  40. Rehab..well now that’s a coverup.
    Does one need rehab after performing a sex act...don’t think so.
    Maybe he had alcohol taken...it’s always an excuse anyways.

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  41. 16.33 The laity will never see that alter the same again
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    1. Indeed and as for the altar, well.....

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  42. Next you will be saying you believe in ghosts.
    Yes I heard a priest exorcised the cooneen ghost in Co Fermanagh, or maybe tried to.

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  43. People were very badly behaved and uneducated in our Lords time.
    Most nowadays have to make a living, no time for Moses on mountain tops
    Or st patrick praying and fasting.
    There are mental ill health facilities these days for paranoia and hearing voices.

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  44. Wher is Cloyne ?

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  45. Further to the comments about blue lights and DNA testing, I was once asked by the RUC to provide stool, urine and semen samples. I posted them one of my old pair of keks.

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    1. That is incorrect @ 18.40

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  46. Jeremy Corbyn4 May 2018 at 18:44

    Even I find that a bit anti-Semitic @ 1716.

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  47. Not true, 13:26

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  48. Why is the Irish Catholic not reporting this? They have reported much more minor matters such as church poor boxes being broken open.

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  49. 19.05: The Irish Catholic didn't report this incident because it only came into the public domain on Thursday. The I. Catholic is printed on Wed and distributed to Churches on Thursdays and Fridays. Anyway, the I. Catholic would only print when all facts are established. I'm sure you're intelligent to appreciate this procedure!

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    1. The Irish Catholic bends the knee to the bishops.

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    2. I wonder what will emerge about what Bishop Crean knew? Did certain Priests in Cloyne get moved from place to place in order to deal with underlying issues and problems? Crean may have lots of questions to answer.

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    3. Cloyne has some strange priests.

      It is full of stories.

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    4. Just had a look at the Cloyne website and the pics of its clergy. My God, talk about a rogues gallery.

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    5. Me too. Some really odd looking bods among the Cloyne clergy. Some of them look stark raving mad!

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  50. 20.34: You have an answer for everything Pat. Michael O Kelly, editor of Irish Catholic is not at all restrained by the Bishops. He edits a well informed, balanced and challenging paper. And again, the Irish Catholic is printed on Wednesday, so stop trying to insinuate sinister motives...

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    1. Michael O Kelly.

      Now there goes an "interesting" man.

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    2. Irish Catholic and Irish News are rags controlled by right wing owners who allow the Bishops to dictate to them. Any idiot would tell you that.

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    3. Was Michael O Kelly a seminarian at one stage ?

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    4. You are wrong about the Irish News - quite anti-Catholic nowadays.

      And it’s Michael Kelly (not O’Kelly) of the Irish Catholic; and yes, “interesting” he is indeed.

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    5. The Irish Catholic has a website and was publishing articles on it yesterday and all week.

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  51. 20:46, well, that's YOUR opinion. 'A coffin should arrive in a church closed.' But they may be opened later, as it was for the fat-headed Pole.

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    1. I have often coffins opened for relatives who arrived too late to view the corpse at the wake.

      What's the issue?

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    2. I attended a funeral of a lady from the Caribbean before her coffin was taken back to St Lucia. Inside the Church the coffin always has a glass viewing panel on the lid so people can file past usually after Holy Communion to pay their respects. No big deal, it's their culture and the Church after all is universal and accepts such traditions. Open coffins in Church- who is to dictate otherwise.

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  52. What a magnificent specimen of a man the alleged priest must be. Little wonder the blog has gone into melt down the last couple of days. The Kildorrey community should be proud.

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  53. I’d say it was that fella Magna Carta filling up transparent plastic bags with vestments and altar wine. He will be at home now on Sunday while his mammy is making a half cooked Sunday roast doing benediction.

    Was it a clapped out Ford Escort by any chance ? I hope you paid your tax and insurance maggie. X

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  54. A bishop admitted that c. 50% of priests are sodomites. And this story is surprising?

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  55. Brendan Marshall has a big scandal on the way.

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    1. 22:51 don’t be so malicious. Brendan’s a fine seminarian and you’ve more skeletons in the closest than anyone who ever went to Gaynooth.

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  56. has anyone heard from Mrs Carta, I'm worried that her sons public exposure may have affected her. Please God shes only drowning her sorrows in a bottle of brandy. people have no idea of the things that woman has to put up with.

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    1. I am more concerned about Magna's wife, Mrs Carta, she should have ran a mile after she saw his tiny penis.

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    2. MC's wife offered it up. I wonder how the two Mrs C's get on? I heard that Magna's better half gave her mother-in-law a razor as a Christmas present.

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    3. Canon Heartburn, the bacchian person who claims to be my mum cannot, unlike you 😆, afford the luxury of drowning either herself or her sorrows in brandy; it's either Buckfast or Adam's Ale, I'm afraid. 😆

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  57. Went into a chapel in the algarve, a few women were sitting inside the altar area with an open coffin, possibly ones husband.
    People were coming in shaking hands with them or hugging and bearing lillies.
    Have to say that on the Sunday only a couple of men present, most were women.

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  58. Location of Fr ****** ***********

    Sisters of Mercy of Ireland

    Address: Bathview, Mallow, Co. Cork

    Phone: 022-21395

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  59. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/priest-given-18-month-suspended-sentence-1.676194

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  60. Just change the altar cloth. It’s like changing the bed sheets after a wild weekend.

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  61. Did William Crean reply after you published the blog today?

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    1. Crean has yet to acknowledge my emails!

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    2. As I thought. He is ill-mannered at best.

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  62. I want every one who posts here today to remember that there is only ONE redeemer, JESUS THE CHRIST.

    The Latino in Rome cannot save you, nor can the Polish FATHEAD JPII, nor can the German cowardly Nazi , Benedict.

    Turn to Jesus the Christ.

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    1. Yikes, the BNP has hacked Magna's account.

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  63. Did the clergy ever reconsecrate the church or sacresty after they raped and abused vunerable children in the church??its mild compared to what has gone on in the Catholic church,at least its all are adults involved in this.magee been fed and found in the diocese of cloyne after sweeping all the abuse under the rug.

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