Tuesday, 29 May 2018

FATHER DAMIEN QUIGLEY MAY NOT MARRY THOSE WHO VOTED YES



FATHER DAMIEN QUIGLEY - A 2016 PRODUCT OF MAYNOOTH - WHO WAS IN MAYNOOTH WITH GORGEOUS, PUCK & CO - HAS TOLD A COUPLE BY FACEBOOK MESSAGE THAT HE MAY NOT CELEBRATE THEIR WEDDING IF THEY ADVOCATED FOR ABORTION IN ANY WAY.

The story of Father Quigley's actions and statements was aired on the BBC N. Ireland programme - NOLAN.


STEPHEN NOLAN

Father Quigley did not have the courage of his convictions to come on the Nolan Show to defend his position.

And when asked to comment on Father Quigley's intervention - Eamon Martin simply said he had nothing to add to Father Quigley's comments!


EAMON MARTIN
Several readers of yesterday's Blog said that one of the reasons for the recent YES vote was that the Catholic Church and its bishops and priests had been lazy about strongly promoting Catholic teaching - opting instead for "A COMFORTABLE BACHELORHOOD".

I think there is a lot of truth to this accusation.

The time has now come for the RC Church to either take a stand on its beliefs or to admit that they do not have the courage of their convictions. 

If it takes a convicted stand over its teachings it will gradually become a small and smaller church.

But is that not the price you have to pay for having your teachings and convictions?

The problem is that for so long the Catholic Church and its bishops had become very used to being the actual "rulers" of Catholic Ireland.

Now they are becoming more and more irrelevant and less and less influential.

Many bishops and priests are enraged by their decline and cannot cope with being irrelevant.

That is why people like Quigley are striking back and threatening to refuse people Holy Communion and the Sacraments.

These refusals in return will make people more anti-church and more anti-clerical.

Already many priests are afraid to wear their clerical clothing in public for fear of being abused.

To put it bluntly - the RC Church in Ireland has to either shit or get off the pot!

In other words - take a stand for your teachings and accept the inevitable rejection - or go on being a social religion that is about hatching, matching and dispatching - which will bring you the "reward" of being seen to be absolute hypocrites!

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136 comments:

  1. Help me out here, Pat. Do you want the Church to stick by its teaching or do you want to demonise those within it who are prepared to do so?

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    1. The Church should stand by its teachings and deal with the consequences.

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  2. RE: Fr Quigley,

    Good for him! They have effectively taken themselves out of communion with the Church!

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  3. Well done Fr Quigley. That photo from Stookie Nolan tells it all. Why do pro-abortion Catholics want to insist that they are in fact Catholic even though the Catechism says otherwise?

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    1. Are Roman Catholic clerics even Christians when they stand by a catechism which teaches qualified love of neighbour, even though Jesus commands otherwise?😆

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    2. I agree with Fr Quigley. While none of us are perfect Catholics and are always maybe not carrying out our lives fully to the Catholic teachings, I think agreeing with the killing of babies in wrong. I think Catholics who did are wrong and I believe they have committed a sin which is extreme. They have facilitated in allowing young women to kill wee babies who have every right to breath, become a person of Gods world. Voting yes in my eyes just ended your contract of being a Catholic and having Catholic views. Sad sad scary times now ! Watch out all elderly or those who eventually need a a lot of care. If a baby doesn't matter neither will they

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    3. 08:54, and what about morally supporting the killing of adult life? This is something the institutional Roman Catholic Church has done for nearly two millenia. Does this historical fact end ITS 'contract', then? Because ALL of human life is sacred, not just that in the womb. This is the official teaching of the institutional Church.

      If it is morally repugnant to take life in the womb because it is sacred, then it is equally wrong to take such life outside the womb since it, too, is sacred. However, this has NEVER been the doctrinal position of the ibstitutional Church.

      You, Quigley, and the rest are moral hypocrites, since you all support Roman Catholic catechetical teaching, which still (even in the 21st century and despite the clear teaching of Jesus to the contrary) morally approves the death penalty.

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    4. Back to the death penalty obsession.

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    5. 11:54: If the institutional Church believed, truly, in the sanctity of ALL human life and demonstrated this in its conduct (instead of merely paying Pharasaical lip service to it), then I shouldn't have to raise the subject ever again, now should I?😆

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    6. Maggie dear, by your own admission your Lord commands unqualified love of Catholic priests, you parishes.

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    7. Yes, 12:35, love of them, not subservience to them.

      And love does not preclude calling 'parasites' (truth demands it), because this is precisely what they are.

      Paul the self-styled 'apostle' refused to sponge off others and so supported himself by plying his trade as a tentmaker. But will these clerically collared parasites follow his example?

      Like hell they will!😆

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  4. Yes, there can be absolutely no doubt: the lifestyles of these clerically collared parasites truly calls to mind that of the poor Nazarene.

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  5. It's mad to think that any priest ca presume to know what way anybody voted. I'd tell a priest to fnck off if he asked what way I voted.

    Is that Dave lad renting out the presbytery? Money for parish funds??

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  6. Great apartment!
    Thanks for the tipoff..... just what we were looking for...

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    1. It's to the left 200 yds up from where King St leaves the promenade on Newcastle South side just before the police station. An apartment there recently for sale at £127K. Wonder if it's it.

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  7. Fr Quigley is discriminating. There is a human rights issue in here somewhere. Yesterday I said the church was lazy but now I think it is more like an egg without a yoke. Concentrating too much on "laws" and forgetting about God Prayer and the Bible

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    1. Stick to what you're good at, the Book of Common Prayer.

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    2. 9.02 likes to sling easy hits at Sean but Sean made a great point for the church is law-based. While it is not true of all priests there are too many examples that to be a catholic priest today appears to be a Pharisee.

      People will say that I overlook the huge numbers of good priests, but even the good priests are enabling the bad priests now.

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    3. How is it a human rights issue ffs?

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    4. Plenty of randy vicars in Sean Page's new church, which was founded on adultery. It's part of the instinctive low self-esteem of the Irish that they don't object to tiny Planter-stock Anglicans stealing and occupying ancient Irish Catholic cathedrals. At least the native Americans and the Australian aborigonies stud up and demanded back that which had been stolen by their coloniast oppressors.

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    5. 14:38: And your church was founded on murder. 😆

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    6. 14.38 do you want to demand back the plantation land too and send 3/4 of the country 'home'? Perhaps the CoI should request payment from Catholics for centries of maintenance

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    7. 3/4 of the country?

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    8. My dear allegedly misguided friend@9.02 All if not most religions and countries have horrible elements in their past. Not an excuse but a reality. How do we go forward. You seem to have a go at me with playground bully talk every time you get a chance. Where exactly are you coming from and what is your real point. Come out from behind the curtain coward. As for the human rights angle. Everyone is free to vote as conscious dictates and not be discriminated against in other forums. Pat do you think this person is an online bully. There is more to this ongoing attitude than me having a thick skin which I hope I have

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    9. 14.38. I don't own the Anglican Communion or CoE Do you own the RC church. Did Jesus own the Jewish Faith of His day

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    10. @21.06
      Yes, 3/4 of the country; i.e. the areas planted by the English. Maybe we should also welcome back the several million people who make up the diaspora? Sounds daft but 14.38 wants to rewind history.

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  8. In the wake of a historic referendum that legalised abortion in a country where 78% of the population identifies as Catholic, only one bishop has had the courage to speak out about the repercussions for the thousands of Catholics who have voted in favour of this legislation. Just hours after the results were publicised, Bishop Kevin Doran stated that any Catholic who voted 'Yes' had committed a sin and should go to confession.

    He said that if a practising Catholic 'voted Yes, knowing and intending that abortion would be the outcome, then you should consider coming to confession, where you would be received with the same compassion that is shown to any other penitent'.

    Bishop Kevin Doran was one of the few bishops who was outspoken in the months leading up to the referendum; he had personally travelled throughout his Diocese of Elphin holding conferences in numerous parishes where he encouraged the attendees to vote in accordance with the natural law and Catholic principles.

    He has also expressed his surprise at the outcome at the referendum which indicated overwhelming support for the legalisation of abortion, with only 34% voting to retain the Eighth Amendment. Interestingly enough, in the days following the referendum, the discussions have been centred on how to further remove from the State any ties that remain with the Church.

    It would appear that the many Catholics who voted 'Yes', did so more out of a defiant attitude towards a Church that they felt had let them down through the mistakes of individual churchmen. Rather than voting decidedly for abortion, perhaps the vote was inherently anti-Church because She had called for a 'No' vote.

    Nevertheless, the result remains the same. Hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics have betrayed their baptismal promises and voted against the fundamental right to life of the Unborn. It is now clearer than ever before that the 'cultural Catholics' who claim a Catholic identity have now distanced themselves from the Church, and only those followers who love Christ and keep His commandments (Jn. 14:15) are worthy to be called His disciples.

    Sources:
    The Journal
    Irish Examiner

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    1. Attempting to teach people high level moral theology is a joke. Teaching the catechism would be far better. Morals teach right and wrong, take it or leave it regardless of circumstances. The Catechism teaches things in a context, explaining why the church teaches things and bringing believers along. Sadly I know too many Irish priests who have never opened the catechism, and too many religious teachers who do not practice but needed an extra subject on their CV.

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    2. It’s well seen the old tosspot didn't say, practicing Catholics who voted Yes should stop paying money to the church.

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    3. I would say it wasn't necessary to tell the Yes voters to stop paying into the Sunday collection .. They probably have already ceased!

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    4. @ 8.04
      You are spot on correct!
      You are not afraid I tell it as it really is .. I agree with you completely.

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    5. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Shame on any yes voter who eats the altar rails. What a hypocrite!

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  9. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. So Quigley may not 'marry' couples who voted 'Yes' in the referendum. Who cares? Have you forgotten that until the end of the first millenium, there was no sacrament of marriage? A couple could tie the knot without the involvement of any priest-parasite.

    Martin Luther was right: most of the 'sacraments' (including the 'sacrament' of marriage) in the Roman Catholic Church are entirely man-made.


    You don't need a priest-parasite to receive God's grace.

    Some priest-parasites, like Quigley, think they control the flow of God's grace. Can't they see it is this monumental arrogance that has driven scores of Catholics away from the Church?

    No, they can't: they, being latter-day Pharisees, are wilfully (and, therefore, culpably) blind).😆

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    1. Have you booked your room for the Maynooth Union lol?

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    2. Well, the court is still out on the matter if he was right about the peasants or the Jews.

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    3. Please don't be rude about Fr Prior. He's soon taking up his first parish appointment in Kilmore diocese at the age of 51 and is understandibly very nervous.

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    4. 09:23, Luther was grotesquely wrong about the peasants and the Jews; no reasonable counter-argument here. (His anti-Semitism, however, he learned at the feet of, er, 'Holy Mother Church'.)

      But his remarks on the sacraments hit the bullseye, since there are absolutely no scriptural grounds for most of them. 😆

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    5. Francis is a great admirer of Herr Luther. They both share a taste for scatological language.

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    6. 09:45, yer talkin' s***e, boy!😆

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  10. You are right in saying that the church needs to preach the entire gospel, inclusive of Jesus so called hard sayings. You are also right in saying that the Church will become much smaller if she does so. But, then she will start to grow again as the faithful remnant left will be true Christians and will attract others who are thirsting for the truth in a world that is departing from God and back to cruel paganism. The church is now an object of scorn and derision because she is not being true to herself. There can never be a compromise between the church and the world because satan rules the world and he hates the church with an unchanging hatred. People admire integrity and people or institutions being themselves and being true to their beliefs. The church has to realise that if she tries to maintain the status quo that she will become more and more irrelevant as people will not know what she stands for. Preach the truth my beloved bishops and priests even if it means prison or death. The real renewal of the church will come about by the spilling of blood. It always has been this way. Love & God bless to one and all.

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    1. MournemanMichael30 May 2018 at 09:58

      "By the spilling of blood......"
      Now where have I heard that one before?
      MMM

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    2. The commentator meant the spilling of innocent martyrs blood MMM. Christianity was spread by the love and blood of martyrs who imitated our Lord and Master, Jesus Christ. In the end EVERY knee shall bend at the name of Jesus. Praise and thank you Lord Jesus.

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  11. Paul Prior will be very disappointed with Fr Quigley. Prior was a huge supporter for gay marraige and pro choice.

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  12. I always think of a woman who has abortion is similar to the woman caught in adultery. Let's he who is without sin cast the first stone. When you think of the Tuam babies, the Magdalen Laundries and the industrial schools, the Catholic Church cannot take the high moral ground. I am very lucky that I have never had to consider an abortion. I knew a couple of girls at school who got pregnant and I always thank God they weren't in Ireland. The church had this coming.


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    1. How can someone say the church was wrong with the Tuam babies but abortion is ok?? We either support infanticide or we do not.

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    2. Thanks for the free ad, Patrick! The phone hasn't stopped ringing!

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  13. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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  14. Paul Prior was not pro choice when he hurt Heterosexual seminarians.

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    1. Grow up and move on.

      Sincerely,
      Donal O'Neill

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    2. GROW UP!!! JOG ON!!

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    3. Why repeat my post?

      Sincerely
      Donal O'Neill.

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    4. Donal O'Neill30 May 2018 at 18:52

      Excuse me, I'm just about to lead EP for my Bon Secours colleagues.

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    5. You'd wreck their heads too

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  15. Pat, a very serious question- Why are you continuing to allow Magna speak such vitriol, poison and hateful words about priests? Why are you facilitating his bigotry and deeply offensive language?

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    1. Just scroll through Magnas tripe, I do. Also never respond to him, that usually works

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    2. 09:00, so you find my language about Roman Catholic priests offensive. You're sooooo sensitive, aren't you dearie?

      If only I could use the kind of language I'd like to about these useless parasites.😆

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    3. 10:15, no; it doesn't work, cos I'm still commenting. 😆

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    4. I always scroll past blue Magna and the cheery chat, prolix mountain man.

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    5. Was Magna bucked by some priest in his past? That might explain his vitriol and make it understandable.

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    6. No they didn't allow him to become a Priest and booted his hole out the door.

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    7. Thank God for Maynooth. Imagine MC in a parish.

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    8. 18:55: I have been in a parish and (guess what?) they loved me there!

      Isn't this crazy? Maybe; but it's true nevertheless. 😆

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  16. From today's Belfast Telegraph:
    'But west Belfast woman and former Irish senator Mairia Cahill, who had a medical termination in her 20s and publicly campaigned for the repeal of the Eighth Amendment, called Fr Quigley's message to the couple "petty" and said that it showed the Church was "out of touch" with many Catholics.

    Ms Cahill, who has claimed she was raped in her teens by an alleged IRA member, said: "Hundreds, if not thousands, of Catholics have had abortions and continued to practise their faith - if the Church believes otherwise it is extremely naive.

    "If they want people coming through their doors, they need to change to reflect society and the people they are preaching to.

    "The Catholic Church is perfectly entitled to take a moral position on abortion, but I don't think they are entitled to judge others who take a different point of view.

    "I have a huge problem with men in frocks telling women what to do with their own bodies.

    "If they think they will entice people to become members of their congregation, they are going the wrong way about it."
    How gormless is this woman? I'm not a fan of the institutional Catholic Church but this takes the biscuit for pick and mix theology or just bloody stupidity.

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    1. 09:21, 'pick and mix theology'? Are you for real? The institutional Roman Catholic Church is the prototype AND archetype of theological pick-and-mix! Since the early centuries of Christianity, it selected which of Jesus' teachings to follow and filled the gaps with worldly, paganisitic compromises.

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    2. Or rather, many Catholics are out of touch with the Church!!

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    3. 12:11: Those 'many Catholics' are part of the Church. Or is Church, to you, just the parasites: priests, bishops, etc. ?

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    4. Well catholics voted for abortion... right in touch with child abuse, Tuam babies, baby selling by catholic adoption societies.

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    5. 'The institutional Roman Catholic Church is the prototype AND archetype of theological pick-and-mix! Since the early centuries of Christianity, it selected which of Jesus' teachings to follow and filled the gaps with worldly, paganisitic (sic)compromises'. One could be that reductionist on the matter of borrowings and syncretism but in that case, it does leave the entirety of Christian and biblical teaching somewhat dreadfully exposed to similar accusations. Where does one stop in that case, as it goes way back beyond Catholicism and Constantine?

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    6. 13:34: What on Earth is your point? 'Reductionist'? Borrowings and syncretism? Christian and biblical teaching?

      Could you be any more obscure?

      And since when has history been reductionist?

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  17. Eamon Martin had a lot to say on Nolan- absolute silence. Then they said he was on holiday - do mobile phones not work on holiday or Area Coeli close down. It's a lie anyway. Maybe Nolan will be in Magherafelt on Sunday at 3pm when our Eamon appears. He won't be on holiday then.

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  18. I am sure many a happy couple will be effected by Quigley's decision. In fact he is very humble in his belief that they want him to marry them. Maynooth must have formed him very well indeed.

    Another load of rubbish from a church with no self-identity, no link to the pews, dillusions of self-importance and confusion about the church's place in Irish society. Its time for the bishops to take a seat with all the other lobby groups.

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    1. "affected"

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    2. 12.04
      Grammar patrol adds so much to a debate. You should be proud of your capacity to ignore an entire point for the sake of a minor detail.

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    3. The minor detail reveals the thickness of a commentator.

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    4. 14.27. Your point reflects the ignorance of the commentator.

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    5. For heaven's sake 12.03. Are you that ignorant that you consider a point invalid because one word was mixed up with a word that it is commonly mixed up with? Clearly you are a narrow minded ignoramus who would place syntax above meaning. I suppose of you cannot argue with the point you would nit pick. 12.03, you need to get a life.

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    6. The commentator opines on life and death yet does not have a basic grasp of Engliish.

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    7. "English"

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  19. I'm slowly beginning to question is there more sanctity in the working class person than the priest?

    It is very clear that the lifestyle of an average priest contradicts Jesus teaching. How then can they judge anyone else with voting, marriage etc?

    It seems that the majority of Ireland (with reference to abortion result) no longer seeks the Churches opinion or requires it.

    Through the latest evidence we see a church with an inability to be effective. It is making itself redundant from its incompetence.

    I'm starting to wonder is it self sabotage on the Churches part - are they aware of their corruption and want to destroy themselves from the only way - the inside?

    Just some reflections. Keep up the marvellous work Pat! Hope your getting a nice tan in this great weather we've been having!
    John

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    1. Plenty of babies won't have the chance to see the sun because of so-called Catholics like you.

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    2. Tuam... baby sales by catholic adoption societies... stolen babys and locked up mothers.... child abuse...

      Sorry catholics like who did you say?

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    3. Tuam is a lie but Pat won't publish this.

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    4. 14.16; I suppose the holocost and moonlandings were but propaganda too.

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    5. @ 12.43
      The plural is "babies".

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    6. John at 11.33: If you depend on this blog for TRUTH, you'll be very disappointed. Open your blinkered eyes and notice the real, living, Parish Christian Communities scattered around the country. Don't believe all the twisted negativity posted here.

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      Your compassion for the babies is overflowing. I cannot cope.

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  20. I would have more respect for Fr Quigley if he showed the courage of his convictions and debated with Nolan on live radio. Was he afraid of Nolan?

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    1. Maynooth will have thought him to dictate not debate. It is a weak formation system dependant on their graduates working in a culture with church domination.

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    2. Anyone who goes on the fat man's shock jock show is a fool. Stookie couldn't even say 'diocese' correctly the other day so why bother trying to debate with him?

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    3. 12.31 By your logic a large number of people in N. Ireland are fools because they listen to Nolan. He has the highest listening figures of any radio show in the North several years in a row. Just because you don't like him or his style doesn't mean everybody else shares your view.

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    4. 14:12, there are a very large amount of fools and ignorant bigots in Norn Iron and the Nolan Show is like a light for moths with them.

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    5. Anybody who is able to listen to the large man during the working day is ipso facto economically inactive. Enough said about his listenership.

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    6. You must be one of those fools & ignorant bigots 14.29 as you say you heard him mispronounce the word diocese on his show. That's strange if you claim you don't listen to it. Idiot

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    7. It was one of my rare days off work.

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  21. As a Priest I would marry this couple and would have no hesitation in doing so. Priests are marrying people who live together, who use contraception, who disagree with the Church on many issues. No questions are asked and no problem with marrying them in Church. When people are honest about their situation they get punished and the dishonest get rewarded. No justice or fairness.

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    1. 12:08 you’re an idiot and part of the problem.

      There is hell of a difference in gravity of disagreement about contraception and refusal to accept the teaching on abortion/legalised murder of the most defenceless of all of us.

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    2. 14.27 Get off your high horse you fool.

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    3. Father @12.08. Thank you for your understanding and conpassion. Can you leave your details with +Pat as I have a feeling you are going to get busy.

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    4. 14.27... difference in gravity... thats the catholic attitude. "We will ordain puck and gorgeous, sure they're only a little bit gay"

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  22. "The Church will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning. She will no longer be able to inhabit many of the edifices she built in prosperity. As the number of her adherents diminishes… She will lose many of her social privileges… The process will be long and wearisome as was the road from the false progressivism on the eve of the French Revolution — when a bishop might be thought smart if he made fun of dogmas and even insinuated that the existence of God was by no means certain…

    But when the trial of this sifting is past, a great power will flow from a more spiritualized and simplified Church. Men in a totally planned world will find themselves unspeakably lonely. If they have completely lost sight of God, they will feel the whole horror of their poverty. Then they will discover the little flock of believers as something wholly new. They will discover it as a hope that is meant for them, an answer for which they have always been searching in secret.

    And so it seems certain to me that the Church is facing very hard times. The real crisis has scarcely begun. We will have to count on terrific upheavals. But I am equally certain about what will remain at the end: not the Church of the political cult, which is dead already with Gobel, but the Church of faith. She may well no longer be the dominant social power to the extent that she was until recently; but she will enjoy a fresh blossoming and be seen as man’s home, where he will find life and hope beyond death". Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (POPE BENEDICT XVI), Faith and Future, Ignatius Press, 2009

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    1. Sweet Jesus! I somtimes can't believe that bloody German ex-Nazi pope is being serious, that his sense of self-irony is so underdeveloped.

      Benedict hints that he is on the side of moral and ecclesial right, and that it is the rest of us, just like those 'progressive' bishops on the eve of the French Revolution he credits with ushering in that era of revolt against monarchical AND ecclesial tyranny, who are destroying the Church that it might be reborn.

      'And so it seems to me that the Church is facing very hard times.' Yes, it is, you Nazi bastardo! Because of you, and others like you. Who worshipped the Church (institutionally) rather than the God of the Church. And so you sacrificed the welfare of innocents (children) rather than have publicly compromised the reputation of the institution, that your reputations as holy men (and, therefore, your self-perceived 'moral authority') would not be questioned. In this way, you, and others like you (including the Polish fathead JPII), became deceivers, allowing (and wanting) the world to believe what you knew to be untrue about the institution you all worshipped before your Lord and God.

      Paradoxically, your attempts at deception and concealnent became self-fulfilling prophecy, because what you strove (lied, cheated, etc.) to prevent happened precisely BECAUSE you tried to prevent it. And so Catholics, disgusted and disillusioned, by the terrible unchristian behaviour of you and your kind, left the Chuch in droves.

      You, you odious little man, bear heavy responsibility for the turmoil that is now in the Church.

      May God forgive you, and your kind, for allowing the smoke of Satan to enter the sanctuary.

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    2. This website would gain enormously if comments which
      include insulting and abusive language were rejected.
      It is, of course, acceptable to criticise the views or actions
      of others, Popes included: it is wholly unacceptable to refer
      to them in the terms used above.

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    3. 17:35, is mine the only comment you singled out for criticism? Looks like it.

      Funny that.

      I think it's not so much that certain expressions in my post upset you as the fact that I did criticise those two popes.

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    4. Is it just me or does 'Magna' have a knowledge of Christ, but no relationship with Him, no spirituality, no reflection, no depth. Because it doesn't come across as someone who is spiritual just angry and posting knee jerk reactions without deeper thought.

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    5. @18:58 - spot on! I have thought the same for quite some time listening to that troll’s toxic outpourings.

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    6. 19.58: You are right, your observation on Magna very astute. Because he lives in a world disconnected from any meaningful, human interaction he is an emotionally dead person. He hasn't changed since seminary days, thus his unsuutability and eventual rejection. It hurts him deeply as evidenced in his continued anger, hate and bigotry. We who witnessed his bizarre behaviour in college endeavoured to help him but he chooses to live in isolation, thus his descent into inner chaos and dependency on drink. Pray for him.

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    7. Bravo, Magna!
      Pay no attention to these old mother.......! Imagine having to spend all eternity with the likes of them?

      Just eat your delightful chocolate and continue your thought provoking postings!

      Magnae Cartae amicissimus

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    8. 21.48 Great post from you Magna, well done.

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    9. 21:48: why thank you! ☺

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    10. 14:18 MC - you are really quite deranged.

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  23. I don't know why people are posting large extracts of books and newspaper articles, totally boring. A simple link would be better for those who wish to read it.

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    1. Your comment is boring.

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  24. Prediction one: Abortion will be more liberalised in the Republic in a year or two.

    Prediction two: The GP service framework will fail and abortion clinics will have to come in.

    Prediction three: The new wording in the constitution is problematic and case law will have to understand it a different way than from what we think. The wording is, “Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancies.” I see this as only saying that doctors have a duty of care to abortion clients. It does not say that abortion in itself is the laws business. In fact, there are many who feel that abortion is a private matter and thus governments need to butt out as their business is public order not private morality.

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    1. There is always a public dimension to anything that involves another's life.. You cannot murder your own young child and say that it's nobody else's business but your own. You couldn't murder your grandmother and say "She was MY relative and so,none of your business!" But the age and status of the relative do not make any difference to the rule of morality which regards everyone as equal in God's eyes and deserving of the same nurturing respect.
      I hope this clarifies some very muddied waters. You have a very special privileged duty to respect the rights of your own little child who initially is so dependent on you doing that.

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  25. Re AirBnB

    There is a lot of work associated with AirBnB like all the cleaning and changing bed linens, etc. between guest arrival dates.

    Is Fr DeeDee doing all this in church time? I wonder.

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    1. He will be giving employment to people who look after the apartment. That is what generally happens with Airbnb. I see no difficulty with him having this flat for his own and others' use. It is completely reasonable for a priest to get away from his presbytery and, if possible, live in another place from time to time. Note that Fr D also gives a lot of money to charity. That is documented.

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    2. There are several convents in Rome that function as hotels -- the sisters work hard running their hotel and continue their community spiritual life as well. What's not to love?

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  26. Isn't he just simply living the rule of the Church.
    The intending married couple should move to a Church which is pro-abortion and get married!
    Live by the law, die by the law!
    Strange they'd actually do this on their Minister/ Priest, not so genuine or sincere people.

    I'm not nor never was Catholic!

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  27. A priest should be familiar with the canon law of marriage.

    Here are some key points.

    Canon law requires Catholics to marry in church. It regards as invalid any civil marriage involving a Catholic. A priest cannot therefore tell a Catholic to go and get married in a Registry Office. It is an absurdity. The Church CANNOT refuse to marry a Catholic who can produce a Baptism certificate and proof that they are not already validly married. It is of course strongly recommended that they should marry a Catholic but "permission" is readily granted to those who wish to marry a baptised Christian of another denomination and likewise a "dispensation" to those who wish to marry a person who has not been baptised. Should they wish to marry a "lapsed" Catholic no particular formality is involved. The hope would be that their own witness would over the years bring their partner back to the faith. This would seem to cover the case currently under discussion.

    A priest should have the canon law of marriage at his fingertips and before attracting the ire of Stephen Nolan he should consult with a more experienced priest or the diocesan office or indeed even the bishop himself (if he is not on holiday).

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    1. Technically a Priest can advise a couple to get married in a registery office if they are both free to marry. They can then go to Church at a later date and have a quiet convalidation so the marriage is then recognised by the Church and the State is left out of the equation.

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  28. Pride goes before a fall.

    I have a feeling that picture of Fr Q will one day feature in +Pat's rogues' gallery.

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  29. Quigley, Wilson, Marshall and Moriarty are the one crew.

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    1. The gang of four.

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    2. Just listened to Nolans show today on the BBC Radio Ulster website. Is what I heard true? The Primate of all Ireland couldn’t comment today because he was on holiday!!!! All I will say is FFS.

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    3. Give it a break 17:52 old news

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  30. The Moral Maze on Radio 4 is discussing this now, though in a one-sided way.

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  31. The Moral Maze on Radio 4 is discussing this now, though in a one-sided way.

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  32. Who was the Priest interviewed on RTÉ Radio this evening who said he would happily marry a couple who voted Yes? I was in a friends car and only managed to hear the end of the interview. He claimed the Church did not own the sacraments and I think he was from the North, he seemed very articulate.

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  33. Whatever happened to Rory Connor BIshop Pat?

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  34. +Pat do you know any Priests in good standing that would be prepared to marry a couple who voted Ta in the Referendum?

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  35. The Hughie educational settlement is bigger than the Ledwith scandal.

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  36. 21.44 Will you ever go away and give our heads peace about this Maynooth crap.

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  37. Poor Fr Quigley. He’s obviously a fully paid up member of the RC church clergy slow learners club. He doesn’t seem to understand that whether he marries a couple or not the vast majority of people couldn’t give a f**k

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