Sunday, 6 May 2018

FIRST HOLY COMMUNIONS GO AHEAD IN KILDORRERY SEX ACT CHURCH




 FROM KILDORRERY PARISH FACEBOOK PAGE

*****FIRST HOLY COMMUNION*****

Best wishes to all the children who will receive the Sacrament of First Holy Communion tomorrow the 5th of May in St. Bartholomew's Church, Kildorrery. The grounds were looking beautiful today in the glorious sunshine and we hope the weather will remain kind to us over the weekend. Many, many thanks to Kathy Thornhill for the colourful planting in the Church flower beds and for always ensuring that they are beautifully maintained. And thank you to the workers on the Rockmills Community Employment scheme for assisting Kathy and keeping the grass cut.



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Fr. Eamon Kelleher PP Kildorrery

Presumably, the First Holy Communion ceremony was performed by the current PP of Kildorrery – Father Eamon Kelleher.

Was it wise to have innocent little 7 year old's receive Communion at an altar where a lewd act, a sacrilege and a descreation happened?

It seems to be a contradiction to sacramentalise children at a place of evil?

Father Kelleher is a relative newcomer to Kildorrery and up until this week, he had no idea of what happened on the altar of his church before he set foot in the parish.

In fact, locals say that Father Kelleher is deeply shocked at this week’s revelations and has been asking people to pray for him, his parish and parishioners.

Another Cloyne priest, who contacted the Blog directly said:

"This would be a very difficult time for any priest. Imagine your parish being in the media for all the wrong reasons. Imagine having to celebrate Mass every day on an altar where two men had oral and anal sex. I do not know how I would cope if it was my parish".

The priest went on to say that he and other Cloyne priests were deeply troubled by the way Bishop Crean was handling the issue.

"This could be a Waterloo moment for Wlliam Crean".


Father Kelleher is waiting on the decision of the bishop, Willie Crean, as to what will happen in the future.

CREAN

163 comments:

  1. Waiting... come on Bishop Crean has already established his reputation for burying his head in the sand and denying there is a problem.

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  2. The bishop needs to acknowledge the wrong that was done and do something to set it right. This would however be an admission of guilt by the church as a whole. Perhaps it could be the start of a proper clean up

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    1. I partly agree Sean but; a visit by the bishop, acknowledgement of an allgation that is being investigated and conditional reconsecration all admit nothing while offering pastoral support.

      Plus, where is the criminal charge in all this? Unless I am mistaken it is a moral offense so it is a civil offense - I am at a loss as to what the Gardai can do.

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    2. Crean is using the Garda to hide behind.

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    3. The law applicable to the allegation is set out clearly in the articles Pat has reproduced.

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    4. Does that mean that the man / Priest in the pictures will be prosecuted for public indecency? And the young man / seminarian too?

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    5. I don't think we should be blaming the Garda or obstructing them in their investigations. I think this story has been exhausted and we have now heard enough on the subject. Time to give it a rest now.

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    6. The Blog will not give it a rest until the matter is FULLY dealt with.

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    7. Thank you Pat. Right now you offer the only Catholic leadership in Cloyne.

      Our bishop should have demonstrated some outrage at this, instead he passively accepts it. Seriously, what is wrong with the man??

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    8. 9.43: It is very unfair of you Pat to attribute motives to Bishop Crean that may not exist. You quite simply do not have the full story and until then you should desist from encouraging the merciless and ugly rants and comments against the Bishop. You seemed very certain of the identities of all concerned, then changed the narrative. If the Gardai are investigating a serious matter, as in this situation, the Bishop has been advised to await the outcome of forensic analysis. You want a head on a plate. You have said enough to date and when all facts and truth are given, only then can any one, including the Bishop, make judgment. It's not the fault of the Bishop nor of the local priest that so vile and lewd an act took place on the SACRED ALTAR. They are as horrified and angry as you and I are. So, don't keep trying to pretend that you're the only one shedding tears over this sacrilege. Bishop Crean and the priest and parishioners need our prayers at this time, not the intrusive, mischief makers encouraged by you.

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    9. It's time now to reflect and pray about this not continue pointing the finger. It's so easy to sit on the side lines scoring cheap points.

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    10. From the pictures, the head seemed to be on a penis10.39 no a plate.
      Get real.

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    11. @10.39 - you are equally guilty of attributing things to Bishop Crean. Put simply nobody can say he is "horrified and angry", as you suggest. Crean has said nothing and done nothing to indicate such emotions. In any case his job is not to express his emotional state, it is to lead his flock, which he has not done.

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    12. 11.17: You are obviously an ilkiterate as you seem incapable of understanding my very rational, sensible and calm comment at 10.39: Find someone to help you read first.....idiot.

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    13. 11.19: Knowing Bishop Crean, I can categorically say that he is horrified and angry. So, zip your mischief making loud mouth.

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    14. @10:16

      FULLY dealt with?

      +Pat, even in the unlikely event the matter was referred to court, the three guys would only be bound over and be required to refrain from “certain activities” for a stipulated period.

      I hope the Little Brothers can give you some support and counseling to try help you to get over this.

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    15. I have nothing to get over.

      Of course I am disturbed by this but it has not impacted on me in any personal way.

      By the way, there are new developments today.

      This matter is a long way from being resolved.

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    16. Anonymous 13.30 - so you're seriously calling someone else "ilkiterate"? Really?

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    17. @13.32 behold I am shaking in my boots at your comment...not

      Crean may talk to another priest to assure that other priest, yet he does not talk to his flock. We cannot know his role or opinion in this while he is silent.

      But it is nice to see Crean's inner circle are reading the blog. Please tell him to have the good manners to acknowledge correspondence rather than ignore people such as +Pat. He is not answerable to +Pat but common courtesy means he should acknowledge correspondence.

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    18. Pat, reading what you have to say on here with the last few days, i am of the opinion that you know the names of those involved and thing that they are guilty. If you are so sure, name names and no stupid nicknames that you have put on people. If you are correct and know the names and are taken to court, you would have nothing to fear as you would be only telling the truth. For what it is worth, I think the photo's might be taken some years back and are photoshoped before you got your hands on them. In the past the camera was said to never lie, but in recent years it very much can tell lies.

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  3. As my mother would have said things are in a bad way.

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    1. I wonder how many times in the last week Crean regretted his ambition to become bishop? Should he have remain a PP? Can he go back to Kerry and be a PP? Would Ray take him? Would Ray put him in a parish with Puck?

      Being a bishop must be every good priest's nightmare.

      When I was a young seminarian I knew a priest who said no to being installed as bishop in two different dioceses. He was an excellent priest, but it is only now that I fully appreciate his guidance on the matter.

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    2. There's nothing wrong with having a vocation to be a bishop.

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    3. (Except it's not a vocation TB). The vocation involved is to priesthood but some ambiteous folk end up in administrative ministry as a bishop.

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    4. I'll be the judge of that.

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    5. Sorry, I'd not realised I was conversing with the pope.

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  4. Bishop Crean is handling the incident in a dignified manner by ignoring all the hysterical ranting and raving on here for a start.

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    1. @9.11
      Are you having a laugh?? There is nothing dignified in his lack of response. Closing communications is the worst possible response a person can make to a problem. It is unnatural, shows no leadership qualities and offers his flock no comfort.

      Crean is like a shepherd who stood silently as wolves slaughtered his sheep. He needs to take up his crook and be seen to exercise his responsibility - until then he is inept.

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    2. 10.29 Freedom for the wolves, is death for the lambs"

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    3. One would have thought that the Catholic Church would have learned from the recent car crash of Ulster Rugby. In a crisis situation being ahead of the curve and effectively closing things down or at least being in control is the name of the game. Silence allows speculation, innuendo and very damaging rumour. Hard to come back from. Whoever has been advising this bishop should be stood down.

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  5. "I do not know how I would cope if it was my parish."

    How pathetic! I wouldn't like to see her dealing with something serious.

    (... and it should be: “if it ‘were’ my parish.”)

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    1. 9.22 If you don't think this is serious, there is something wrong with you.

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    2. It has been over-hyped and over-humped and is now running out of steam.

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  6. Im guessing the families who attended were not informed about the truth of the matter! Imagine the impact on their faith when they discover their child's First Communion was celebrated on such a altar. It would be enough to never return.

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    1. Stop going on, the church and altar will still be there long after you're gone.

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  7. Bishops and priests are in an utter state of denial as to the depraved current state of the clergy. Unless they take their heads out of the sand and take affirmative action, things will only worsen.

    Recommendations to bishops:

    1. Clean up Maynooth for once and for all. It is in the seminary where all this evil starts and is let flourish, as asserted by Pope Benedict.

    2. Any priest or seminarian caught in perverted activity should be immediately defrocked/expelled. Celibate priesthood just isn't their calling.

    I doubt the bishops will take any of the above on board and will just enter more and more into Laa Laa Land. :(

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    1. Yeah most bishops will adopt your recommendation asap.

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    2. There's to be an emergency meeting of the Irish Episcopal Conference at 6pm today in Maynooth to implement these proposals in full.

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  8. As dear old Corporal Jones would say:

    'Don't panic!' 'Don't panic!'

    There is a rather embarrassing tendency among Roman Catholics to, er, panic. You know: to catastrophize. It's (tch!) juvenile. And it's not Heaven-sent, since there are no alarums and excursions there. It reminds me of the near-hysterical reactions reported from the past:

    What! You ate meat on a Friday? You'll burn in Hell!
    Or, yours hands weren't under the altar-rails' cloth at Communion? Sacrilege!

    It all reminds me of what Jesus supposedly said to Patricia Devlin when she ceased receiving Communion under both forms because, on one occasion, she, being blind, had accidentally spilled some of the sacred blood on her coat:

    'I've been in worse places than your coat.'


    'If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs...' .

    Yes, Roman Catholicism and neurotic over-reaction have historically gone hand in hand: the Crusades, the Papal Inquisition, Kildorrery, etc.

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    1. Unfair to blame all good Catholic people. Some of us don't panic but we quietly put right what we see as being wrong if it is possible for us to help.. No need for abusing us too...

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    2. What about the Penal Laws, the martyrs, Drogheda, Stormont-rule etc, 09:51?

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    3. 15:11, what of them? I was speaking of the tendency to overreact to profanation/desecration.

      Your issues are political.

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    4. 13:39, I don't 'blame' anyone as such. But I do blame a Roman Catholic Church culture which has taught ordinary Catholics to, as it were, go into overdrive at any profanation of the sacred.

      Calm down. There is no panic and no fear in Heaven. What is genuinely holy cannot be made unholy by the committing of sin, however grave and repugnant.

      Show Christ's victory over this profanation by reacting moderately and peacefully.

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  9. Father Kelleher's picture is striking. There is something deep there? Why is his picture not on the Cloyne website like all the other priests?

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    1. He looks like KOB when he was younger.

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  10. “Father Kelleher... has been asking people to pray for him, his parish and parishioners.”

    Sounds a lot more sensible than +Pat’s suggestion “the church might have to be closed or demolished.”

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  11. Faith will out live your wickedness and evil Pat.
    The Catholic Church will be still alive when you and James are gone!

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    1. The institutional Catholic church in Ireland is lying, dying on the ground.

      All the filth we see is oozing out of all its orifices.

      The stench is overpowering!

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    2. 10.53: Another over the top, hyperbolic statement. Yes, the Church is going through very challenging times and in the process a purification is occurring. The challenge is good - it presents an opportunity for true renewal and will be a more humbled church. Huge institutions with centuries of tradition and unchallenged power structures will always fail and be found in need of a cleansing. It is happening. Happening by many good bishops, laity, priests, and religious. It's a travesty of justice and truth to make so definitive a judgment. Pat, what is the overflow, ripple down effect of The lights of Larne Oratory? Criticisms are essential but not the vindictive, vengeful type you engage in, always presented with a sense of delight that someone other than you has fallen. My parish, by the level of activity and involvement is certainly not on the ground and I suspect there are even more dynamic, vibrant communities that what I have tried to bring about in my parish. Any priest of goodness and decency - and we are in the majority - is horrified at so lewd and vile an act taking place on the scared altar. Believe me.

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    3. 11:41 - Priest, +Pat is right. You are all "dead men walking". You colonised Ireland more deeply than the Brits ever did. The Revolution has started. Your days here are numbered.

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    4. Fr 11:41 I am not so convinced at your attempt to appear horrified at what has happened in Kildorrery. If you and all the so called good priests in the so called majority are really that disgusted, how come you are all not bombarding your bishops with phone calls and letters demanding that they start acting like true shepherds and clean up the church of all its filth?

      And I notice not a word of sorrow mentioned re the young man (seminarian?)in this horror show. Just the usual self defence and virtue signalling.

      If all the so called good priests called out the bad behaviour of their colleagues when spotted in seminary or parish life, there would be no need for all the money that is being wasted on child protection policies and personnel. No need at all!

      I am a practicing Catholic who loves the church but who feels very disappointed in the cowardice exhibited by priests and bishops.

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    5. @10:53

      Sadly, you are beginning to sound a lot like Michael Voris of Church Militant. You’ll be getting a syrup-of-figs next.

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    6. Pat can you tell us your congregation numbers in Larne? Surely with what you profess your Church is overflowing!

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    7. 11.41 'challenging times' sounds right, but is there really any purification. It seems to be anything but purification.

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    8. 13.47: When the truth is firmly established, then we can make our various statements of judgment and condemnation. I, like the majority of priests, am horrified at the vile act committed. I, like the majority of priests, and mostly on our own in parishes, am doing my utmost to be a good shepherd/priest. We try to give faithful witness to Christ in our everyday work, not always successful but we try. The onslaught we experience in negative criticisms is very demoralizing and we are constantly making our views known to our bishops at different meetings and gatherings. However, my priorities are first and foremost with and for the parish given to my stewardship. I trust God sees my efforts at doing what is right. May I ask you, when did you ever make a significant protest at wrongdoing? When did you ever put yourself out for the good of your community and have you ever engaged meaningfully with your local priest? Have you ever thanked him for his dedication? It's very disheartening to listen to read sweeping judgments from individuals like you, when, in all probability, you sit on the fence.

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    9. 19.18 I think people do recognise a good priest and are very grateful for them. That is why this is so heart breaking. It is a wonderful gift to have faith. Many people will be looking for something and this will put them off.

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    10. Quite apt that Pat quoted Pilate at 11:45 as they both share a love of being popular and a disinterest in truth

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      Could be worse, Roman Catholics Bishops in Ireland share a love for being unpopular and a disinterest on the Truth.

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  12. If you think the bishop has handled it all wrong and you are annoyed then email the Vatican

    vatio26@relstat-segsat.va

    mark it for attention of Cardinal Robert Sarah

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    1. Not ******* you again and Cardinal Sarah. Are you obsessed with this Prelate or related to him? Every time something happens in the Church your answer is write to Cardinal Sarah. Well he did a great lot of good for Maynooth when you, for the 100th time, wanted people to write to him then. Give us a break from Cardinal Sarah

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  13. Sounds like something that head the ball Magna would write.

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    1. Now-now. I'm your brother in Jesus, head-the-ball, or no head-the-ball. 😆

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  14. 10.44 The faith will survive. It's like the underground water table. The institutional church has served it very shabbily.

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    1. suppose that the faith ran out of steam in the days of John XII, well it revived again in the following very impressive centuries -- so we need not succumb to terminal despair

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  15. Id worry about the sacrilege of using faith superstition to stop women's rights to abortion. I really could not care less if every altar in the country was shat on. Pope John XII was an incestuous satanist. He drank toasts to the devil with the consecrated communion chalice. When gambling he invoked pagan gods and goddesses. So its nothing that new. We have to accept that if cells mutated and started growing into a baby inside any man or woman or child we would have the right to have it directly killed even if it were clearly a person. Thought experiments prove that the right to control the body comes before the right to life of somebody else growing in your body. What use is a right to life if you cannot make decisions for your body?

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    1. @11.18
      Please consider getting psychological help

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    2. 11:53, I can recommend a good shrink!

      Sorted me out. 😆

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    3. 11:18, except that there is more than one body involved in a pregnancy, however physiologically elementary the other.

      Bodily self-autonomy may be a right, but 'self' does not mean 'other'.

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    4. 11.18: What an ignorant comment. What school of hate did you attend? Your thought processes are very fractured and rather dysfunctional if you Can trot out that s**t. Take your brain out of your a**e....

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    5. @11.18
      There are many fallacies in your post. Come on! - - You surely don't need me to go through it line by line with you. It saddened me a great deal to read what you wrote..

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    6. John XII, Octavian, was only 18 when he was appointed pope by his father in 955 and died 8 years later allegedly while in bed with a married woman. This is the period of the so-called 'Dark Ages.'
      You don't equate a validly elected pope, such as the current one, with someone clearly unworthy and unworthily appointed.

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    7. The expression "Dark Ages" was invented by English bigots in the 19th century.

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    8. 15:22, it was actually an Italian who coined the phrase, 'Dark Ages'. And it was done in the 14th cent., not the 19th. 😆

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    9. for the time of John XII the phrase saeculum obscurum was coined in the 16th century by Cardinal Baronius: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum

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    10. Have you kept the receipt, 12:26?

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    11. 16:45, it was actually coined by Petrarch, an Italian scolar, in the 1330s. However, Cardinal Baronius may have run with that particular baton in the 16th century.

      But he wasn't the original holder of it. 😆

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    12. I know what you're bustin' t'say here should I answer 'yes'. 😶

      Hmm What t'do? I'll leave you in the agony of being unrequited. 😆

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    13. Mags at 17.26: I know you like us to believe you are quite a scholar but you could at least spell the word properly: scholar not scolar as you have it. Are you a boozin "agin"?

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    14. 19:04, nope.

      Broke. 😔

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    15. Petrarch did not use the actual expression "dark age(s)": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography)

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  16. Will this event affect your recent rapprochement with Armagh, e.g., is it Eamon or Amy today?

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  17. I'm convinced that these are Repeal the 8th supporters on the altar, the message being don't take any guidance from these hypocrites. I cannot believe that a priest was involved. The truth will out.

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    1. You are a blind fool if you think one of the imposter clerics could not have been involved. Read the Ryan report where you will read factual evidence about a priest inserting a crucifix into a minor's orifice. Fools like you have enabled monsters to destroy young people. My blood boils when I read such muck as you have written.

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    2. If that was the case idiot @ 13.41 The Guards would have cleared it up by now. Using the Referendum debate in this way does not do any justice to your cause. You sound foolish, petty and pathetic. I would almost be tempted to vote Yes in light of your ridiculous assertions.

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    3. Vote to kill babies because of a comment on Pat's blog, 16:24? Really?

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  18. Why isn't the press reporting that church owned buildings in Maynooth, such as Rhetoric, Logic, New House, Long Corridor, Pugin Hall and even Loftus Halls, where theology lectures are held, have their notice boards covered in pro-death propoganda ahead of the referendum. Why don't the bishops who are Visitors or Trustees of Maynooth intervene to stop this?

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    1. One word for bishops 14:00 COWARDS.

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    2. The bishops have allowed Maynooth to be degraded by lay students for decades. Even the college cemetery has been desecrated, with the crosses of 19th century seminarians being vandalised or removed. Satanic symbols were scratched into the stonework.

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    3. 15:19, your post is a case in point, about overreaction to profanation.

      'The bishops have allowed Maynooth to be degraded by lay students for decades.'? This is either an unfortunate an ambiguous turn of phrase, or you really meant that the mere presence of lay students on the seminary campus is a degradation in itself. Since you are a self-declared 'traddie', I suspect the latter.

      And the presence of 'Satanic symbols' in the college cemetry? Now steady on there! Before leaping to dark explanations for this, a tasteless student prank, perhaps? (I'll bet this wasn't the first thought to enter your head.)

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    4. the desecration of the graves was surely an anticlerical demonstration by outsiders to the college -- it was quite systematic, very nasty

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    5. The seminary class of 1963-70 has, with the college, being restoring the cemetery and replacing stolen and vandalised crosses.

      Maynooth has indeed been degraded by lay students, including those who rode motorbikes in the cloisters, vandalised the College Chapel (that's why it's closed), had sex in the Graf, set up pro-death and LGBT societies, put the Arts Block crucifix in the skip literally on Maynooth University's first day, and have Queering Space events in Renehan Hall in the very heart of the seminary. Is that enough?

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    6. Students who do such "pranks" have no place on a seminary campus.

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    7. 16:41, vandals don't usually have an agenda, as they aren't sophisticated enough to be motivated by an ideology. So their purpose is solely destruction: they aren't trying to send a message through that destruction.

      But you may be right. Perhaps they (or he/she?) was driven by hatred of Catholic clergy. (Can't for the life of me think why.) 😆

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    8. This isn't true

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    9. What's not true, 20:00?

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  19. What is pro death?

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    1. Those in favour of killing unborn babies. Obvious once you think about it. And before you mention the death penalty, it doesn't exist in Ireland though it will be introduced for the unborn if the referendum is passed.

      Quick question for +Pat. If he were eligible to vote would it be yes or no?

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    2. I’m voting Yes like so many others. I suggest 15.00 you get over yourself with your pontificating.

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    3. 15.22, one word for you - murderer. Look up the meaning of the word abortion. Look up the meaning of the word foetus, then look into the face of a new born child, perhaps hold that child in your arms. Look at its beauty, uniqueness, individuality: allow yourself to be open to mystery, awe and wonder at this precious bundle of new life. A miracle, which you once were. Then, after a little reflection, ask yourself this question - is it right that at any moment of its existence, any person should deliberately kill, harm or inflict hurt and pain on this miracle of new life, unborn or born? If you think It's ok to deliberately kill such a beautiful life in its mother's womb, then you are an accomplice in the killing of this unborn child. Let's not misunderstand the real meaning (horror) of abortion.

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    4. Just as well your mother wasn't "pro-choice".

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    5. 16.47 If that's your sad attempt at making me feel guilty - you failed sweetheart.

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    6. 16.47: Your comment is the typical, cold, clinical response of some one who can't even mention the phrase "unborn child" because to do so will mean you have to accept the TRUTH and REALITY that we are speaking about a HIMAN BEING. I thank God that my mother valued, cherished and held SACRED the gift of life and believed in the sanctity of the life of the unborn child and it's inviolable right to life. God bring you to reality and truth.

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    7. Well said @ 16.47!!

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    8. 17.47: What was "well said" by 16.47? Tell us the incredible piece of insight that's revelatory or a eureka moment! Are you another supporter of the deliberate taking, destruction and killing of the unborn child? One liners are a cowards way of responding.

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    9. I meant to say "Well said " to the poster @ 17.26 and was anxious to respond but very rushed circumstances prevailed.
      So I am very anti-abortion in fact.

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  20. Pat are you going to do a blog about the coverup ofthe Ann Lovett case by bishop Reilly and the local priest.

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    1. 14.26: There are huge inconsistencies in the story as reported in papers. I find it all very suspicious. I trust the truth will emerge but as told now, there is just a one sided story with comments attributed to people who never met with or spoke to the man. So, let's it run away with an agenda that has yet to be proven to be true.

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    2. Or just let us continue to cover up16.07

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    3. 19.03: No, not cover up but establish the veracity of accusations being made. Establish the TRUTH and then we can make condemnations. Till then, hearsay, speculation and innuendo are not foundations for truth and justice - which is what I earnestly want, not your typical stupidity.

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    4. The church loves to use silence so that the truth will never be established.

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  21. Is there anyone in the Roman Catholic Church today that can stand up and expose this? "Silence will fall" - a phrase from Doctor Who seems to be the correct phrase to use here with regards to the church.

    I feel sorry for those boys and girls who made their First Eucharist in that church. When the truth comes out, how their special day will be tainted for the rest of their lives.

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    1. Victory is never 'tainted'. And Christ's victory over those terrible acts remains intact and inviolate.

      However, by harping on these acts, you credit this depravity with the semblance of victory.

      The first communicants were nourished that day with manna from Heaven; evil cannot, and did not, take this from them.

      And remember whence that food came: the 'shame' of crucifixion on Calvary.

      You cannot (and must not try to) separate Christ's victory from the price he paid for it. And from the evil he overcame to win it.

      But renember: it IS overcome.

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    2. No, it won't be tainted . Their special day is not solely dependent on that. Their parents and teachers have far more sense than to let that happen. No way

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    3. "whence that food came". How quaint.

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    4. 22:09, but true, all the same,😆

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    5. 22:09, but true, all the same,😆

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    6. Their day is independent of the altar...

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  22. 15.25 I am 64 but I can still remember my first communion. If it was me or my child I would be furious. It really is beyond belief, all need now is priests disembowling babies on the altar.

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    1. What's the big deal about still remembering your First Communion aged 64? Lots of people much, much older remember every detail of their First Communion (including myself)

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  23. What lay person says "First Eucharist"? Are you an aged nun?

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    1. Church of England I am, not a nun. We call it First Eucharist.

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    2. Is this another Anglican "me too" affectation? First Holy Communion has never been an Anglican tradition or a special day.

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    3. 21:22, 'affectation'?

      Who the hell are you, arrogant Roman Catholic prick, to deny Jesus' presenting himself at whatever altar of love and service he chooses?

      Do you know what the liberal Jewish rabbi, Gamaliel, said to the Sanhedrin...? Oh, forget it! You're a bloody ignoramus!

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  24. Anyone interested.
    The term abortion was the word used for miscarriage...I was medically trained and yes that was the word/ term.
    Of course don’t let me stop you from using the word to suit your own agenda,

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    1. You’re not the only one who has a degree in medicine and I think you mean spontaneous abortion which is one of a few names for the natural death of an embryo or fetus before it is able to survive independently.

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    2. Miscarriage: induced by nature. Abortion: induced deliberately and intentionally by human agency.

      Yes?

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    3. Sorry Magna...you just can’t know everything.
      You might know lots of church history. Unfortunately much was covered up when I was being educated.i only got to know what was in my textbooks.

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    4. 19:00, where'd I go wrong? I didn't mention spontaneous abortion; that means something entirely different from abortion induced by human agency. 😕

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  25. Magna are you pro-life or pro-abortion?

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    1. 19.53. I don't think it is black and white. If I had a 14 year old daughter who had been taken advantage of, I would have to think very hard. My friend, who is now dead, had six children. As a good Catholic lady of that time she couldn't say no to her husband and she couldn't use birth control. She also had a very weak heart. When she got pregnant again, the doctors advised her that the pregnancy would kill her. She had a dreadful choice, she might leave her little ones motherless. She continued with the pregnancy but stayed bedridden. When the child was born she refused to leave until she was sterilized. I can could not have blamed her if she had had an abortion and I wouldn't blame a very young girl either.

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    2. 20:38, no, I don't think it's black and white either; that is a morally legalistic argument, and it misses the point entirely.

      When all is said and done (and much of both has occurred in this debate), it comes down to love, not our own, but God's. And to how open to it we really are.

      His love (akwardly for us sometimes) is open to everyone, even the unwanted baby of a 14-year-old taken advantage of.

      Despite my learning and intelligence, I am naive enough to believe, sincerely, that God's love for us as as much practical as majestically awesome; in fact, much, much more so. It is a love that rolls up its sleeves and gets its hands dirty looking after the ones it dotes on...us. And this includes, way up the list of priorities, that hypothetical 14-year-old girl.

      You want to put God to the test? Good! That is precisely what he wants you to do, so that he may prove to you, as he did to his disciples, that he is a living God, the same as he was 2000 years ago in Galilee, and the way he will always be. But here's the catch: you must not look to human resource to bail you out; you must look to him.

      But have we the b...s?

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    3. Hard cases make bad laws, 20:38. All of this was said ahead of the British 1968 Abortion Act. The killing was going to be rare and in tragic cases. Now it's on demand and hundreds of thousands of babies have been killed on the NHS. That's what you're voting for if you vote yes.

      The thin end of the wedge soon thickens.

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  26. What a shit stirrer you are and others on here.
    Voting for repeal of the 8 th amendment does not translate into pro abortion.

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    1. Of course it does, 19:43. The question in the referendum is whether the Irish State facilitates abortion, in an entirely unlimited way. If you vote yes you are pro-abortion. If you oppose it you vote no.

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    2. 19.43: What sort of a comment is that to make? Who are you referring to? The truth is: repeal of the 8th will mean the removal from the constitution the only acknowledgement of the RIGHT TO LIFE OF THE UNBORN CHILD. If removed, abortion - the deliberate killing/destruction of the unborn child can take place up to 12 weeks for any reason. Very quickly that will extend to 14/16/24 weeks, even up to birth. Repeal of the 8th = abortion. Look at the ultra sound images of a 10/12 week old unborn child. What do you see? True compassion does not kill, it saves both mother and child. If you don't realise the full implications of removing the only protection given to the unborn child, I suggest you fully inform yourself. And don't be persuaded into camaflagueing the truth of what abortion really is. Pro repeal means abortion (on demand).

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    3. The language is interesting. Those in favour of killing unborn babies call them embryos or foetuses. When are those words, intended to dehumanize, ever used when a pregnant woman wants to go full term. Say, for example, a woman announces joyfully to friends and family that she's pregnant.

      I don't think they'd say "congratulations, when is the embryo/foetus/clump of cells due? You must be so happy"

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    4. Why don’t you stand on O’Connell bridge and give your oration there.
      This blog is not about your misguided interpretation of the repeal of the 8th amendment.
      Get off the stand...21.38

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    5. 23.16: The truth of what abortion really means is obviously getting through to you. The truth of what repeal means is also something you need to inform yourself about. HUMAN LIFE IS SACRED FROM CONCEPTION TO NATURAL DEATH. HUMAN UNBORN LIFE IS NOT DISPOSABLE OR DISPENSIBLE IN A WORLD OF CRAZY, SELFISH FREEDOM OF CHOICE PHILOSOPHY. HUMAN LIFE OF UNBORN CHILDREN SHOULD BE VALUED, PROTECTED AND CHERISHED. ALWAYS. YOU'RE WELCOME TO O' CONNELL BRIDGE ON 12 MAY TO JOIN THOUSANDS FOR PRO LIFE RALLY.

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  27. If I had a vote I wd vote yes...that doesn’t mean I’m proabortion.

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  28. I’m pro life...I wd vote yes?..yes agree a lot of stirrers on here..
    Making up as they go along.

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  29. +Pat, will the "new developments" in the case be the subject of the next blog? I wonder.

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    1. I'll take that as a yes, then.

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  30. Is there a date on the photos? And do parishioners need any std tests regarding bacteria spilled on the altar which later contaminated the Eucharist? Will Cloyne diocese offer parishioners testing?

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    1. +Pat would have the whole village of Kildorrery quarantined and the church razed to the ground if he could.

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    2. You are one silly ass @ 21.02!

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  31. Pat. Four days on the blog, hundreds of contributors, thousands of visitors, wall to wall press coverage, bishops running about like rabbits caught in headlights? Is this your best outing so far? Lol lol

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    1. It's a big, big story.

      Pageviews today 8,570

      Pageviews yesterday 9,408

      Pageviews last month 144,031

      Pageviews all time history 4,352,690

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    2. I'm sure that's a lot more visitors than the Irish Bishops Conference gets. Though thanks to Pat there's been a sharp spike in the number of visitors to the Cloyne diocese website.

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    3. It certainly feeds you desire for attention.

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  32. Magna, why do you respond to your own posts. Do you post here under different names and as Anonymous and forget from time to time what name you used in some of your posts that you put on here.

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    1. 21:23, no, I don't answer my own posts. What do you take me for? INSANE?😨

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    2. Magna would never do such a thing

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    3. I responded to Magna....sorry to disappoint.
      He ain’t guilty this time.

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    4. I think you'll find that was me!!!!!!!

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  33. + Patrick. As the oft quoted Cpl Jones would say ‘ They don’t like it up’em’. Well believe me as a man in the pews I can sure say they are getting it “up’em” big time this last while. Your stuff on Maynooth, your making the running on the Dromore business, the various embarrassing scenarios in Armagh and now this carry on. They, the hierarchy, can put whatever face or dressing on these matters they like but you have them on the back foot. You are certainly wreaking your vengeance on them Pat and I have a feeling you have a lot more !

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    1. hmmm, Magna used that phrase when describing puck recently. I had never heard it before and here we have it again, interesting

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    2. Dromore.. that reminds me that Hugh Connolly has gone low profile but not forgotten. It must be comfortable in Paris.

      His appointment in exile was surely be agreement with his Ordinary... A near-final inept decision on the part of McAreavey to permit his stint in Paris rather than return to Dromore - will High ever minister to those laity who funded his extensive training? Can he even minister in a parish?

      ... but think it thus, exiting Maynooth after 'strange goings on" + recent blogs about psychological abuse in the seminary; + were any of the seminarians under 18, as some were in my day? + recent blogs on Cloyne alledge bishops still move around priests with questions to answer
      = were there children exposed to psychological abuse during the "strange goings on"?

      It is just a question and a valid route of enquiry. Do we have child protection concerns within the National Seminary??

      And if so has the Archbishop of Paris been informed of the strange goings on?

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  34. I'm no fan of Magna Carta but today he has managed to appear sensible in contrast to the many posts which are emotionally driven hysterical ranting.

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  35. Bishops 'the truth will set Manooth free'

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  36. Im Magna Carta! No im Magna Carta! No im Spartacus!

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