Friday, 11 May 2018

IRISH TIMES CONFIRMS IRISH COLLEGE EXPULSIONS OVER HOMOSEXUALITY





Two trainee priests sent back to Ireland after being found in bed together
Future of the seminarians unclear after they are sent home from Irish College in Rome



It is understood both men had been drinking earlier at an event marking the 50th anniversary of Pope Paul V1’s 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae, which banned artificial means of contraception.

It is unclear whether either man will be permitted to resume studies for the priesthood. A spokesman for the Catholic bishops said it was “not appropriate to comment about individuals” when asked about the matter.

MONSIGNOR CIARAN O'CARROLL - RECTOR OF THE IRISH COLLEGE


In August 2016, the Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin said he would no longer send trainee priests from the diocese to St Patrick’s College, Maynooth, because of a worrying “atmosphere” at the national seminary.

He said he intended instead sending trainees from Dublin to the Irish College in Rome as it offered “a good grounding” in the Catholic faith.
As regards Maynooth, he said “there seems to be an atmosphere of strange goings-on there, it seems like a quarrelsome place with anonymous letters being sent around.”

Speaking in Krakow, Poland, where he was attending World Youth Day, he said: “I don’t think this is a good place for students. However, when I informed the president of Maynooth of my decision, I did add ‘at least for the moment’.”

His decision followed anonymous allegations then being circulated about seminarian activities in Maynooth, including that some had been using a gay dating app.

Earlier in 2016, there was controversy at St Patrick’s College when a seminarian who claimed he found two colleagues in bed together was dismissed.

It followed an inquiry into allegations by the two seminarians alleged to have been in bed together that he was bullying them and talking about them.

More generally at the college it was claimed that a core of seminarians were active on the gay app Grindr and that some had been engaged in sexual activity with priests of the Dublin archdiocese.

In 2009, a complaint was made to Maynooth authorities by a seminarian from Dublin alleging sexual harassment against another adult at St Patrick’s College. An internal inquiry found the allegation unproven.

The complainant was asked to return to Maynooth but felt he could not. When he took the allegation to senior church figures outside Maynooth, it was proposed to him that he might go to Rome and complete his studies there. He decided not to do so.


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This Blog has revealed two days ago that the seminarians expelled were from Dublin and Kildare dioceses respectively.

The Dublin seminarian is Connor Gannon who trained as a barrister and had also spent some time with the Jesuits.

CONOR GANNON

The Kildare seminarian is Sean Fitzpatrick and it is reported that this is not the first time he was in a seminary.

SEAN FITZPATRICK WITH BISHOP DENIS NULTY OF KILDARE AND LEIGHLIN

DIARMUID MARTIN and DENIS NULTY who are both prominent media bishops are refusing to comment on the gay expulsions story.

In the context of the massive media scandal about Maynooth a short time ago the question of promiscuous gay seminarians and priests is a story with national and international public interest.

Diarmuid Martin thought he could solve the gay sex problem by sending his Maynooth seminarians to the Irish College in Rome.

This has now turned out to be a total failure - and Diarmuid simply removed the seminarians from the frying pan and landed them in the fire!

It is now clear that neither Maynooth or The Irish College are fit seminaries.

There has also been a recent new outbreak of promiscuous homosexuality in Maynooth with some seminarians writing to this Blog asking for protection.

And all the time the Irish bishops have their heads in the sand and are doing nothing.

They are co-operating in the systematic destruction of the Irish Catholic Church.




FROM QUEERTY WEBSITE
By Graham Gremore May 11, 2018 12:05pm · 9 comments

Two seminarians from the Irish College in Rome were sent home this week after the rector discovered them naked in bed together.
Both men had reportedly gotten wasted at an event marking the 50th anniversary of Pope Paul V1’s 1968 encyclical Humanae Vitae. When they got back to their dorm that evening, they started going at it.
And then the rector walked in.
The Irish Times reports:
It is unclear whether either man will be permitted to resume studies for the priesthood. A spokesman for the Catholic bishops said it was “not appropriate to comment about individuals” when asked about the matter.

Scandalous!
Ironically, the men were sent to the Irish College in Rome after the Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin became concerned St Patrick’s College, Maynooth, where Ireland usually sends it seminarians, developed a reputation for being a party school.
“I don’t think this is a good place for students,” Martin said back in 2016. “There seems to be an atmosphere of strange goings-on there.”

Some of those “strange goings-on” included an underground ring of young seminarians with Grindr profiles hooking up with priests of the Dublin archdiocese.

204 comments:

  1. Fair play to Msgr O'Carroll for kicking them out.

    If they were in Gaynooth under Hughie, Fanny and Prior, Gannon and Fitzpatrick would have been promoted and protected and whoever caught them in bed would be at the front gates with bags packed and taxi called.

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    1. What a pile of judgemental tripe - they have done no harm.

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  2. Hormones, hormones, homormes, Pat. It's the time of year. End of term, exams, spring weather. Just like hay fever. That's all it takes to trigger these boys to jump each other in Maynooth or Rome.

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    1. No excuse. Clerical life is both celibate and full of pressures

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    2. 13:10, 'Clerical life is both celibate (ha, ha , ha 😅) and full of pressures? Pressures?😕

      Let's see. What pressures? Oh, yes! How to pass a long, long day with absolutely nothing to do. Now: should it be golf today? Or how about a stroll on the beach? Maybe I'll drive down and see so-and-so from my student days. Maybe I'll just have yet another lazy day, slumming around my huge, well-appointed presbytery and watch Sky sports all day. Or perhaps I'll take a day off and watch movies instead...

      Behave yerself. I have NEVER met a hard-working priest, because there is no such thing as hard work in the priesthood.

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    3. You fill your long, long day with booze and trolling. Do you have a job, MC?

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    4. 22:08, wow! I've hit a nerve, haven't I? 😅

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  3. I am out of patience and tolerance with all these seminarians.. If they are unwilling to behave and try to keep the rules, then throw them out. It wouldn't be tolerated if, for example, they were Royal Navy cadets in training. They need to learn respect and discipline .

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  4. Honestly, +Pat, it doesn't look like the Irish Times has confirmed anything. All of the details about the Rome "incident" had already appeared on your blog two days ago. Patsy McGarry has not gotten any official confirmation of anything, and most of the article is composed of info from the 2016 Grindr scandal.

    If anything +Pat, this Irish Times article confirms the influence of your blog!

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  5. I don’t think the “frying pan into the fire” analogy fits at all, Pat, as that has connotations of hapless victims.

    The guys DM moved to Rome where actually the FIRE!

    He moved the fire from Maynooth to Rome and talked out of his backside about it to boot!

    Naturally, the fire burned brightly in Rome as in Maynooth.

    The whole thing is an absolute shambles. It calls for radical action.

    Seminary formation in Rome and Maynooth is on the rocks and it has been steered on to them by degenerates - both seminarians and priests on the staff.

    Scrub it all out and start again from scratch.

    I would say also there is a real danger of these two not going quietly and that there is a lot of anxiety around what tales they might tell now they are caught.

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    1. A full centre-page story in the old News Of The World used to be worth £25,000.

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  6. Bishop Buckley please send all to Rte Prime time. The abuse which is systematically denied and coverd up by the current Maynooth seminary Council needs to be exposed.

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    1. That’s all very well, but Prime Time would be expecting +Pat to come up with some feasible solution to the problem.

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  7. Bishop Buckley there is serious Human rights violations by Maynooth seminary Council. The violation is inflicting psychological abuse on seminarians who are adults. Pat there needs to be an independent psychological evaluation to understanding the impact of this abuse especially with regard to the areas of current and future psychological impacts on these men.

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    1. Stop going on and on about human rights abuses. We heard you on your fiftieth repetition. As if Amnesty International is going to get involved. Your allegations were invested by the college and you tried to reopen it when you emailled Dr Mullaney recently. Please let it go. It's not good to live in the past.

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    2. Interesting reply 12.47 however I did not post the comment at 1.28 but I am the person who recently shared Mullanney's lack of pastoral ability in his response. So I guess there are two of us concerned about the psychological effects of what is clearly dysfunctional formation.

      In any case it is clear from the media, comments and investigations that Maynooth is an unhealthy place to live. The onus is on those in authority to do something yet they do nothing. As a catholic I have a duty to speak up to seek a better standard in the seminary for the sake of all.

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    3. Nice to see someone think it legitimate that Fanny be defendant and judge before standing over the college not being psychologically abusive. Clearly 12.47 is not mentally well-formed.

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  8. Collins has alot to answer for now. Collins is a twat for not following through on his exit strategy like Donal O'Neill.

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    1. Donal + the exit strategy?
      He left Maynooth 6 years into a 2x5 year appointment and did so near immediately after a complaint was investigated against his conduct in Maynooth.

      He clung on as a bishop's pet/secretary until it became clear the he was not getting his much desired mitre.

      Instead of accepting life as a humble priest he took off for his 3rd or 4th sabbatical- found a comfortable ministry without obedience, rushed into a marriage (assuming it was not an ongoing affair when he was a priest) and then was cast out by Bishop Ray.

      Pushed from Maynoth, repeated 'sabbaticals', wanting the power and walking away in a huff when he failed to get it... not much strategy there.

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  9. Excellency, I can't understand why you find it necessary to identify these young men. It's one thing to "out" the priest who was defiling the altar, but it's another thing to "out" these two men. What if they were to harm themselves over the anguish of having their names and faces connected with (what many regard as) moral turpitude. Just a respectful question.

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    1. You did the right thing, Pat. Always knew Gannon was a ticking bomb! Filthy!

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    2. Sure how many times have they tried and messed up. Out them so they face reality and move to another lifestyle.

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  10. Good to see Fr Gates last night in the parish , he's back where he belongs.

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    1. His auntie must have thrown him out.

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  11. It is obvious Pat you have not been talking rubbish for ages. There is a crack in the wall. Let's hope God will protect the innocent

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  12. I think Connor likes a bit of rough!

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    1. He's a bit of "alright" is Conor Gannon........looks much better in the flesh than his picture might suggest. I can see how young Fitzpatrick jumped into bed with him.

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  13. Xxxxxx needs to come clean about Pleasuredrome Sauna Cornwall road lambeth london and his time in Apollion Sauna Rome during his 2018 visit to rome. Like the fella must of forgot his snapchat map was on and showed his location in the gay sauna.

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  14. Looks like the Irish Times lifted all the material from your blog, Pat, without crediting you as the source.

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    1. It's the message that counts, not the messenger :-)

      I am used to not getting credit.

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    2. You've been on a winning streak.

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  15. I get the concept of exposing things in the Church to stimulate real change. I very much support Pat in this endeavour.

    I wonder though would the cause of positive change be furthered by taking a policy of refusing to name names in scandals?

    Would this gain a moral/ intellectual higher ground so that the credibility and integrity of the argument for change?

    This would force everyone to consider the real issues: instead of letting a small few be used as scape goats.

    Also remember to pray for those involved in these scandals. Whatever they have done we have a duty to care for everyone.

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    1. With one or two exceptions, e.g., the Kilodorrery scandal; most of the others have just been part of human nature.

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  16. In the Indo now as well. You'd make a great press officer, Pat.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/student-priests-face-expulsion-after-being-found-in-bed-together-in-rome-36898284.html

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  17. Sean Fitzpatrick is back in Askea.

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  18. God be with the days when the dismissal of seminarians caught in fragranti was a routine matter of no interest to the gutter press.

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    1. Oh, God was never with those days. Those were times of long shadows cast by the institutional Roman Catholic Church to conceal its moral filth.

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  19. Now in The Sun as well. This news has legs, as they say in the trade.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/2561963/two-trainee-priests-at-irish-college-in-rome-sent-home-after-being-found-in-bed-together-as-investigation-is-launched/

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  20. There are some good points in the comments box below this article including why are two consenting adult sems punished, when adult priests having sex with non-consenting children went unpunished?

    https://www.queerty.com/two-trainee-priests-sent-back-ireland-caught-bed-together-20180511#comments

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  21. Martin Long must have the hardest job in Ireland.

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  22. If Gates is back in Magherafelt, why is he not at the First Holy Communion Mass being broadcast at the moment on the parish webcam?

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    1. No, Eamon Martin has sent his own Gaynooth spy from Armagh to oversee proceedings and report back to him.

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    2. Ah yes! Wee Thomasina, God bless her cotton socks.

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    3. What was that screeching Queen McHugh doing there?

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    4. Thomas is a native of Magherafelt Parish.

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    5. When is this Magherafelt thing going to end? I notice the Archbishop is unsurprisingly silent as usual. Does the man actually speak or possess a voice?

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    6. Ah, dear Thomas McHugh. One of the lads at the notorious Krakow WYD, friends with Rory Coyle, Byrne, Marshall etc. Likes the lace and anything liturgical frilly plus the old fiddlebacks. He is Eamon Martin's eyes and ears. He was probably testing the atmosphere in Magherafelt before Amy arrives for Confirmation on 3rd June. I hear the parishioners are organising a welcome committee for his arrival. All very sneaky spying going on.

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    7. So Amy sends his sleekit on a reconnaissance mission?

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    8. Archbishop of Armagh has now censored the webcam of Magherafelt parish. Other local parishes on the MCN network are working fine but Magherafelts has been taken down. Well done Archbishop Eamon & Fr McHugh - is this any way to run a diocese or treat it’s people in this way.

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  23. The online Irish Catholic (aka Pravda) is ignoring the strange goings-on in Rome. How very loyal.

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  24. DM has known for years about Gannon and Gorgeous. He knew their form when he shipped them off to Rome and blamed Maynooth for a situation that should never have arisen had his own pre-seminary screening been of any use. The seminarian are expelled but what of the Dublin sugar Daddy
    priests who ruined them with expensive gifts, lavish hotels and restaurants, poncy clothes and lotions, Barcelona trysts? One 'sidelined' to a Dublin
    hospital another to a semi rural retreat, the others still wreaking havoc in
    diocesan offices and parishes! Where's the justice? Shame on DM and his clique.

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    1. And what responsibility do Connolly, Mullaney, Prior and Collins have? A. Far more than DM. Your analysis is very superficial and places way too much responsibility on DM.

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    2. 21.38 I disagree with you there. DM facilitated all these players - established clergy and seminarians. He helped them trample on many others over his years in charge. He is very much responsible for the current mess. I knew CG was well in with the Pro Cathedral's Canon O'Reilly but I didn't think he would be involved in such stupidity in Rome. The blog had it right. It is such a mess, but I believe it is the strange goings on of core clergy in the diocese (sponsored by DM and others) that is causing the problem. Any decent bloke may have to stay arms length from the all to stay safe.

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  25. There's a great video on the RTE archives showing Maynooth when it actually was a seminary.

    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2018/0412/954019-men-for-the-harvest/

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    1. “The (1963) film deals not only with the students who are ordained but will also report on those candidates for the priesthood who, for one reason or another, do not complete their training and drop out.”

      Time for a follow-up... LOL!

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    2. Yes it's fascinating and an interesting contrast from this one about Cardross:
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5K8d2n1j-ak

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    3. The Cardross sems look like extras on a Star Trek set. It's derelict now but there are plans to restore it, but not as a seminary obvs. The Scots have fairly got through their seminaries over the past decades.

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  26. What does Pat want the RCC to do? I suggest that this is a teaching moment -- the church should just admit that its clergy are mostly gay, and ask understanding of them as for any other gay men ("who am I to judge?") while urging the men themselves to be more scrupulous in how they live their sexuality. If more radical steps are needed, then open the clerical ranks to married men and women, but that will take some time. Or is Pat saying we should abolish clergy altogether? I think many people are asking, "well, Bp Pat, what do you think we should do?" Even Archbishops and seminary rectors must be asking this. Calls for a crackdown and "just say no" and so on have not worked, and as Pat said on the radio the system is just not working, so those policies seem to be impracticable. For the moment, I think the bishops should come right out and make a plea for understanding and acceptance of their gay priests (who are often the only priests they seem to have).

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    1. How on Earth can the bishops credibly make such a plea when Pope Francis himself endorsed Benedict's ban on gay candidates for seminary?

      You don't get it: the institutional Roman Catholic Church does not want to admit to having ANY gay priests, because that might be seen as scandalous behaviour: conduct that would undermine Rome's perennial moral teaching against 'homosexual acts'.

      Gay priests are the trumpeting elephant in the room, but Rome pretends it isn't there.

      And so the problems continue.

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    2. 12.02 I never heard such absolute tosh!

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  27. I believe Ciaran Dallat's behaviour was much more morally scandalous than the behaviour (wrong as it was) of Gannon and Fitzpatrick. And yet, Dallat remains in place. (Oh, I forgot! He's ontologically superior and of infinitely more value to the People of God.)

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  28. Pat this goes beyond finction now. I have been speaking to serveral Lawyers and activists of Human Rights Watch who work in the field of Syria, Gaza, Beirut and Berlin. All suggest there was numerous human rights violations by seminary council. Interestingly one significant breach was freedom of thought and expression. Seminary Council's under Hughie and Mullaney suppressed are freedom to express that there was an active gay subculture and harm was undertaken by senior seminarians. Secondly the human rights breach of Torture which includes using psychology to inflict damage or gain information. Collins inflicted the psychological damage. At this moment statements are being taken by Human rights watch. The NGO thinks a 30yr trace back and collecting testimony is very possible.

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    1. Not this human rights nonsense again, please.

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    2. 12:16, get a grip on your faux-self, you drama queen.

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    3. 12.16: What the he'll is going on in your mind? You are way OTT - a drama queen - you should put on your frilly lace dress and head for the Gaiety or Westend or a drag night in town? You'd suitably fit the part...

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  29. I can tell you one thing, Humanae Vitae never made me want to jump anyone, especially in Maynooth when Dr. Twomey was presenting it. He and it were passion killers.

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  30. Sean Fitzpatrick's name never appeared on the long list of miscreants often mentioned here (Jones, Wilson, Byrne etc, etc, etc). Was it that he was below the radar or was this a one-off moment of madness on his part?

    I'd love to know what the rector said when he walked into the room and what the two lovers said in response.

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    1. He wasn't in seminary when all the gaynooth stuff "came out" in 2016 - he had left Maynooth and then returned to seminary in Rome.

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    2. Thank you, that explains things. It must be embarrassing for Bishop Nulty for it was he who conferred acolyte as the presiding bishop at the ceremony in Maynooth.

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    3. Acolyte for Sean Fitzpatrick? Did he have holy cards printed?

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    4. Pat has been in contact with him for a long time.

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    5. Pat expose this man.

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    6. President Mullaney was the first and only seminarian to have Holy Cards printed when he received acolyte.

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  31. I suspect the rector was tipped off.

    No locks on those Roman doors? If not, then these two deserved to be sent packing...as much for stupidity as anything else.

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    1. The rector and the director of formation have master keys.

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    2. Do they knock on seminarians' doors and enter only when invited?

      My door at Maynooth had a lock on it. Had anyone entered my room, unlocked, without having knocked and been invited in, he wouldn't have done it again.

      There is something decidedly 'pervy' about Roman Catholic rectors and so-callec 'formators' (in my time, 'spiritual directors') who want to enter seminarians' rooms unannounced. Probably gave them a sexual frisson (a 'boner').

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    3. Noone ever entered your room, lol. Formators is the new name for the deans and the ancient nun who decide the fate of sems in Maynooth. The spiritual directors still go by that title.

      In my time the deans gave a quick rap on the door before deploying the master key. It was an announcement of entry rather than a request for admittance.

      Prior to the admission of lay students the seminary bedrooms did not have locks. There are no keyholes in the old doors, just modern Yale locks or Vim cards.

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    4. In Thurles in the 1990's there were no locks on doors. Anyone could walk in day or night. Some students used coat hangers to lock the door from inside but were reprimanded for doing so. Cruel mental regime.

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    5. 14:15, you didn't think this one through, did you? Did I say that my door at Maynooth had a deadlock? That it could be locked from outside? No, I said neither, but you inferred both.

      Let me spell this out for you, slowly: in my time, the doors at Maynooth could be snibbed (locked) from the inside, thus denying anyone entry (master key or no) and affording students some privacy.

      Prat. 😆

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    6. Magna Carta's Mum12 May 2018 at 15:17

      Now Magna, darling, tell the truth. You know full well the lock was on the *outside* of your door!

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    7. But, Mommie dearest, you know this wouldn't have worked, because I was already a highly accomplished lock-picker. And you know how I came by this craft, don't you? Don't you?

      When I was a little boy and you would lock me in my bedroom over long periods (for my own good, you said), it was because you didn't want me playing with all the 'rough' boys outside. You thought this would make me too much like papa. You know: belching habitually, ear-crackingly breaking wind at the dinner table, and clearing my nose without a handkerchief. Oh, mummy dearest! You didn't want little Magna growing up so coarse!

      But your little Magna had to escape his unnatural confinement, and so he used your hairpins to unpick the lock of his bedroom door. Remember the fuss you made when your hairpins went 'missing'? You blamed papa because your 'pins were, he said, better than a digit for clearing nasal congestion. You didn't know he was being abstract, did you? But he was. And I was the culprit all along.😈 (Don't fret; you never had much head for nuance.)

      You still love me, don't you mommie dearest?

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    8. Magna Carta's Mum12 May 2018 at 17:46

      Yes, my darling, of course I do.
      But you miss one essential detail out - your escape and your use of my hairpins (brown ones, all wrong with your colouring, dear) were both for the purpose of going out on the town in drag.
      I hope now that you've had gay conversion therapy you would have the taste to use black hairpins when you drag up in future.
      I noticed the sparsity of your comments yesterday. Did you enjoy your sauna and meet lots of interesting priests?
      Kiss kiss darling.
      Your ever loving
      Mommie dearest.

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    9. Mommie dearest, I was only five! Back then, drag, to me, was passing a stubborn motion.

      Mommie dearest, you ARE taking your meds aren't you? For early onset Alzheimer's? You know what the doctor said: 'A tablet a day keeps confused memory at bay.' (For a while, at least.)

      Magsie-Wagsie 😆

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    10. Very droll.

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  32. Fitzpatrick is like some in Maynooth, cunning and therefore remained under the radar.

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  33. When Fitzpatrick was Maynooth he used to spend hours in Prior's office.

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  34. This is absolutely hilarious Pat. Dermo sends his nest of queens from Gaynooth to Roma and just like sending alcoholics from one bar laden with alcohol to an even bigger one, same result. ROFL. Ya big eejit Dermo.

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    1. Don't be a plonker! He obviously didn't know their behaviour. Or, if he was told of it, then this was later denied by those involved.

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  35. The Fitz and wee PP were like two peas in a pod when Fitz was in Maynooth. Another one of the coddled ones has let the side down and exposed the charade.

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  36. Pat, Readers of this blog may well recall that I warned some 2 years ago that the RCC in Ireland needed to get its head out of the sand and sort out both its problems and its PR strategy otherwise Pat Buckley will dictate the running. Obviously the church felt that Buckley was just an irritation who would go away. Eventually.How wrong that judgement,if it was so, is now turning out to be.
    Without question the media people are reading this blog every day now and looking on it as a credible source for stories. And most of these stories do little honour to the church or its senior figures.
    And it can only get worse. The genie is out of the bottle. Every priest,seminarian, church worker, wronged parishioners and anyone with a gripe, justified or otherwise who wishes to expose wrongdoing or knows what cupboard the skeletons are in will now be on here.
    The result. The church and it’s totally inept PR machine will be overwhelmed by a surge of negative publicity that will make even the most ardent worshippers wondering what’s going on and wrong with my church.
    The hierarchy, past and present, who have treated Buckley with dismissive distain have now fallen prey to that old time honoured phenomena. The law of unintended consequences!

    Dalriada Dick

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    1. I don’t always agree with you, DD but you are spot on about this/these debacle(s).

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  37. JUSTICE FOR CONAN. CONNOLLY, MULLANEY, PRIOR & COLLINS ARE LIARS.

    EXPOSE THEM PAT.

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    1. Conan has a boyfriend now. Homophobic homosexual

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    2. 1345 may God forgive you for this lie! You shall not bear false witness!

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    3. It’s fact that Conan has a boyfriend

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    4. It's fact that you're lying!

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    5. Conan was due to return back to seminary and has postponed again. Conan has a boyfriend

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    6. 1547 "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, the murderers, the fornicators, the sorcerers, the idolaters, and all LIARS, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.” (Rev 21:8)

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    7. Pray for Conan #PrayTheGayAwayFromConan

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    8. 15:59, you do know where the Book of Revelation was 'written', don't you? By tradition, the island of Patmos, to which the author, a man named John, had been exiled under Emperor Domitian.

      And do you know what purportedly grew there (perhaps still does)? A type of fungus (mushroom, if you will), which was a powerful hallucinogenic. What are the chances that a hungry John tried out some of this stuff and started seeing things that did not objectively exist? Like dragons, and suchlike.

      A 'bad trip' (or 'trips') might explain better the surrealism of this book than the apocalyptic tripe that has been written about it down the years.

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    9. Conan is a great fella. A true servant of Christ. He will make a wonderful priest. As for the two he found in bed, they will cause pure scandal if ordained. They are incapable of staying out of bed with each other.

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    10. If there is an ounce of decency in Donal McKeown, he will send Conan to a decent seminary. He is the epitome of what a seminarian should be. What Maynooth have done to him is scandalous but the Lord will not let him down. The truth wins out.
      Marshall and Sheehan will cost the church a huge pay out

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    11. 20.27 If past form is anything to go by, then the bishop won't reconsider. Once they make their blunders they will then defend them to their dying day. After all, how can they make a mistake or perhaps more, who are you to suggest they made a mistake. That's their thinking in my view. Like the former bishop of Medjugorje losing it with the visionaries saying 'They're praying for me as if I am a sinner'.

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  38. Pat i do not wish to disclose my Identity. I wish to reassure the seminarians in Maynooth and previous seminarians that a team of analysts in Berlin, Brussels and New York are collecting evidence and statements of human rights violations while in Maynooth seminary. At this moment three judicial breaches have been recorded under Irish, European and international law.

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    1. As lay helper a retreat centre, I was never allowed to be believe the evidence of my own eyes. This I believe, is a form of psychological torture. Also they tried very hard to manipulate my conscience. I have never come across such a bunch of rogues. I will never set foot in a church again.

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  39. DD@13.14 I didn’t read your warnings a couple of years back. But a few months ago even I could see what way this was all going and that the press would latch on to this blog for leads. The church have only themselves to blame. I think they don’t understand the power, reach or influence of social media. A mess.

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    1. Yes Dalrida Dick. You’re bang on the money. Were u been?

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  40. I wonder what does Fr Tom Norris feel about all this carry on. He is the spiritual director at the Irish College. He has a reputation as a very holy man.

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    1. Fr Tom Norris is both holy and learned. But he has a very other-worldly aspect and it would be easy for the lads to run rings round him.

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  41. The junior hse seminarians need to be protected from the two predator senior seminarians. Pat it has gone to far. Pat what State agency could protect us from these two powerful seminarians as they are under Mullaney's protection.

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    1. If you are a seminarian then you need to go home. You have the mentality of a fish.

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    2. I disagree.

      Seminarians suffering any form of bullying or abuse need to step forward.

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    3. Step forward Pat? That is suicide. Look what happened the young Derry man. Those of us who feel truly called but have had awful experiences and given the road can't open our mouths if we want to be ordained. There is nowhere to turn. They refuse to listen.

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  42. In the English College we are wetting ourselves laughing.

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    1. Poor bladder control suggests psychological immaturity. 😆

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    2. Magna Carta's Mum12 May 2018 at 17:48

      But darling, that's not why you suffer from it! X

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    3. Mommie dearest, you aren't taking your meds, are you? I was only three when that last happened. See? I was such a precocious little s... . Wasn't I? 😆

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    4. Mommie Dearest12 May 2018 at 20:20

      Yes I am, Magsie Wagsie, and in fact I'm taking yours as well - the colours are pretty and the calm feeling they give me is lovely. I have been replacing them with sweeties.
      You were too drunk to remember but I have to tell you your last incident of incontinence was last week, when the police gave you a lift home again. Actually - you must take those trousers off so I can wash them.
      Mummy

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    5. 20:20, I appreciate you effort at retort, but you're a student, aren't you?

      Bless. 😆

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    6. Mommie Dearest12 May 2018 at 22:15

      Magna darling, don't speak to mummy like that. I'm the same mumsy wumsy as commented above. I changed my nom d'ordinateur to your favourite name for me and you don't recognise me.
      As for being a student you know full well I am - of the racing pages and my tarot cards.
      Now come and give Mummy a big kiss darling.

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  43. Pat the abuse goes beyond horseplay its very scary now. The victims in the hse need a safe environment free from all Mullaney involvement where they can make a disclosure. Support of a redress scheme must be addressed.

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    1. I agree.

      But I must have contact and information.

      I DO NOT reveal my sources.

      00447488374364

      bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

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  44. The scandal is yes one of Grindr and more serious active Maynooth institutional abuse. The current situation is Seminary Council know they are compromised under Human rights violations, however at this moment Mullaney and Collins are out for revenge.

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  45. Pat just in from Amnesty International the legal team is also examining the possibility of seeking a Maynooth redress scheme for post traumatic stress and psychological damage for suppressing emotions and the development of future psychiatric illnesses due to the approach of Prior and Collins in a formation meeting.

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  46. Gannon won’t go. He will be told off but Dermo likes him and sees potential. He’s made a mistake. It won’t be the end of Conor. Maybe AB Martin will send him to another seminary.

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    1. They'll try to have him defagged first. More money down the drain.

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    2. Gannon is GONE ALREADY. He is finished as a seminarian.

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    3. He will be a great loss to the blog.

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    4. 17:02 that is your opinion and I’m voicing mine. Conor is aside from this incident a good highly intelligent young man.

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    5. 19.10; what are you hoping for? 3rd time lucky?? Ya clown.

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    6. Yes, 19.10, CG is pleasant and cordial but how stupid and immature also. Let him go and get a life. But I feel this incident will really hurt him. I wish him well.

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    7. "Let him go and get a life." Hopefully, there will be more than the Giant's Ring and the local Gents for him.

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  47. Pat I do fully believe that are personal safety is under threat in St Mary's hse. The two deans have access to our rooms and have been spotted walking on our corridor in the middle of the night. The second threat is from two significant senior seminarians who where implicated in the scandal of two years ago. Maynooth institutional abuse. There is no point locking the rooms the deans have a master key. Derwin made copies of the master key and supplied it to the two predator seminarians.

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    1. Rape alarms only cost five or six pounds.

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    2. 16:41, and a well-aimed foot between the legs costs nothing. 😆

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    3. Your personal safety is ok by the sounds af ye!! Maybe a life will help you?

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    4. I agree. This tedious fantasist is nowhere near Maynooth and has probably never been there. I'll put him to the test. If there's no answer he's a liar.

      1. Where is inner sanctum?

      2. Where is High Field?

      3. In which building are Fr Surlis's rooms located?

      4. Where are the sacred music room, and Dunboyne Hall.

      Is this fantasist also resposonsible for the interminable comments about human rights? I scroll past him even more quickly than I scroll past that other bore, blue Magna Carta. It's excruciating when he trys to be funny.

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    5. 18:36, you're just excruciating. 😆

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    6. I remember a dean calling to a room party one night. Tommy and the other queens were all sent to their own beds. Donal was only too happy to have a queens only seminary - he knew who they were and when caught he mammied them instead of disciplining them. Gay was the order of the day under his watch.

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    7. 19:40, I don't understand this inclination, to gay and otherwise, while at seminary. Have you any idea how much I struggled to be 'holy' while there? Why don't these sems feel the same? What's the attraction to seminary, then, if it isn't God? Can you give me a sensible answer?

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    8. Still waiting for the answers to the questions posed at 18:36.

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    9. There is no such place as "inner sanctum". "Sanctum" refers to the two floors above the oratory - middle sanctum and top sanctum.

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    10. Inner sanctum was the common room above St Mary's oratory, it had a fireplace, I think it must have been a priest's bedroom many years ago.

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    11. Inner sanctum is now the Junior Dean's office. It no longer has that name. Many only names are being forgotten. Few people know where fiddler's green is or can tell the difference between Gunn and Pupp.

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    12. Who remembers Sinn Fein, Music Hall, The Pond or Pup Square in the college? Who was the vigilent night watchman who stumbled into something in the Junior Infirmary? The pretend Maynooth commentator has been silenced by these questions.

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    13. @20:21 The attraction is the "cock" pure and simple. Gays will go to the ends of the earth for it.

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  48. This needs immediate action the seminarians who feel under threat by either staff or senior seminarians needs immediate protection. Pat if this was the Uk or USA the police would be called in. The Dep of Justice and the office for public prosecution must be notified.

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    1. Mass hysteria

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    2. 2 boys in bed are a threat to the foundations of the universe? -- wildly OTT

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    3. Are you having a nervous breakdown? You're not a sem, btw.

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  49. They can always join the Dominicans. A seminarian was let go from Maynooth for sexually harassing another seminarian. After a short period of cooling off he joined them.

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    1. And has already featured here for his conduct as a bad priest!!

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    2. The Dominican provinces throughout the UK and Ireland are undergoing problems with homosexual scandal and cover up. Those of us here in the UK are well aware of what's happening between two certain priors.

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    3. Dominican's were known in Maynooth for the pink exit they provided. A few years ago their only concern was the photocol with such a large intake of novices... a photocol demonstrating pride - a deadly sin.

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  50. The Garda confidential line is 1800666111.

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  51. Send all to investigations@rte.ie .The rte investigation unit can expose what is going on currenty within the Irish Seminaries. If criminal acts by staff or students are discovered the rte unit would immediately forward all to An Garda Siochana.

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  52. I hope these Archbishops and Bishops pay attention to the Pope as he has stated guys like these are a mortgage for life on the Church and must be prevented.
    I just hope the Papal nuncio reminds the Archbishops and Bishops of this as the sex priests and Seminarians MUST leave and NOW.

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  53. "DIARMUID MARTIN and DENIS NULTY... are refusing to comment on the gay expulsions story."

    The old hens are probably too embarrassed and humiliated by it all.

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  54. A systematic cover up. Pat use all measures to expose the truth and bring those to justice.

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  55. I'm reminded of the bus picture that has featured on here a number of times. Puck, Byrne and Gannon all smiles. little did they know when that picture was taken each of them would contribute to an international scandal that has rocked the Irish church.

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  56. Free legal aid must be made availbe for current and past Seminarians who wish to seek Justice.

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  57. The reality is this we are adults in the seminary and are not covered under the safeguarding office as we are deemed adults due to our ages. There is no where to go to and be safe. Its hopless, look what happened two years ago. It just continues on.

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    1. Never mind going on about safeguarding I thought that would be one of the TOP subjects.
      These are consenting ADULTS all over 16 so it is just that the Priesthood or Religious Life is NOT for them and the quicker the Archbishops and Bishops get RID of the active sexual Clergy the better their Numbers are up and same with any students.
      The safeguarding people cannot help you IF you are in any Irish colleges but I am sure any Archbishop or Bishop would be delighted to hear from you.
      Furthermore so would the Papal Nuncio as the last thing the Nuncio wants is the Holy Father doing an enquiry.
      So instead of on this blog drop an email to the Nuncio or a letter.

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    2. Indeed. I went to the safeguarding lady when I was in your shoes. Her role is to gather any evidence to have and assess the likelihood you might have for gaining compensation in the courts.

      Then she says you have no safeguarding claim (as an adult you never had). Then all evidence is given to the seminary council.

      She is a 100% con-job.

      But consider this - the church continues to refuse cleaning itself up. It only changed in relation to childabuse by force (there has been no genuine change).

      I ask you this; do you really want to be apart of this for your whole life? I did not so I walked away with a healthy faith. I am better off.

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  58. If Maynooth had stayed like this there would be no "strange goings-on".

    http://www.rte.ie/archives/2018/0412/954019-men-for-the-harvest/

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    1. I don't even think +Pat would like Maynooth to return to those dark days. So creepy.

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    2. They all looked happy, studious, sociable and prayerful. The very epitome of a seminary.

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    3. But looks can be deceptive. Don't forget this was filmed in the sixties when many of the priests who later were accused of paedophilia were in formation. This is also on the cusp of the post Vatican 2 exodus from priesthood and religious life.
      The problems are the same as now - problematic sexual behaviour and priests leaving. This suggests there was also something wrong with formation then as there is now, just perhaps something different.

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    4. KOB was also at the height of his (sexual) power in 1963.

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  59. All the Amnesty International stuff is a load of s***e. AI has a lot more to concern itself with than a load of screaming queens and prima bitches slapping it into each other

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  60. The church knows how to pick them. From peados, perverts and now homos. God only knows what might be next.

    Sexually dysfunctional lunatics gravitate towards the church for some reason.

    As Pope Francis said - if you’re sick see a doctor. Don’t join the priesthood.

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    1. 19.14: Back up your lunatic claim with facts, figures and proper research. You need to widen your reading and research beyond this blog. Your comment is racist, homophobic, bigoted and ignorantly offensive. What a crazy, hate-filled comment!

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      19.14's comment is also true. Some times the truth can be offensive but that is no reason to deny the truth so suck it up.

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  61. @19.12 Totally agree! Those allegedly writing from Maynooth in feat for their safety sound like petty children. They would be an embarrassment to any diocese and the Priesthood in general. They need shown the door.

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  62. There is nowhere to turn for seminarians. The seminary council are corrupt. Bishops listen to Mullaney and Co when a seminarian voices his concerns. If you make a complaint then ya can forget about ordination

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    1. 20.01 It's a question of survival. Keep the management safe in their little world. They have been there for so long they are scared of the real world. The semenarians are part of the food chain. What the public don't know won't hurt them. The world is changing. Social media when used properly is liberating. Some comments on the blog show how unrealistic and biased some alleged committed R Catholics can be

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    2. More from the RTE archive: https://www.rte.ie/archives/2018/0501/959448-ordination-of-a-priest/

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    3. @ 21:50 the number of ordinands in 1963 is twice that of the entire seminary now. The renewal was soo successful!

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    4. And one of the great acclaims of Dermot Farrell is his renewal of the formation processes in Maynooth. I guess he cannot see his own failure.

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  63. To seminarians who don't feel safe or are being bullied:
    Just get out of there. Do you seriously want to spend your life at the beck and call of an institution which treats people like that?
    From a former Farnborough novice who is glad he listened to his own better thoughts.

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    1. Pat, I know O'Carroll in Rome gets a poor press here from time to time but I have to give him credit for moving decisively here. He made the effort to find out and then acted strongly and swiftly.

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    2. Will there be some new scandal(s) soon, +Pat? A really good one, like two seminarians are discovered to be a married couple!

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    3. i couldn’t agree more. Four years in seminary life left me virtually spiritually bankrupt and totally drained as a human being. Like 20.15 I listened to my inner self and walked. Thank God. I’m now spiritually well or as well as can be expected and feel whole again as a balanced and emotionally aware person.
      Went into medicine. Hard work but rewarding.

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    4. 21:32 delighted to read your comment. I am discerning at the moment. I graduated from medicine myself. It’s disturbing to hear these stories of former seminarians - real people. I may reconsider discerning any further.

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  64. That video of Maynooth in 1963 is very thought-provoking.

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  65. I’m sweating like a pregnant nun reading these comments.

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    2. Sister, at least your only pregnant. You could be sweating like a priest in a playground.

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  66. +Pat - here is a quote from Conor to the Catholic Register. This was given in 2015.

    Conor is a hypocrite. This was in relation to premarital sex.

    Gannon says waiting is important because for a healthy relationship in the long term, you need more than good sex. He says waiting until marriage is a great way to prove you’re going to be able to cope with dry patches caused by illness, age, travel, kids and conflicting work schedules later in life.

    “It’s important to find someone who values chastity and who you have respect for,” said Gannon. “If I were dating a girl who wanted to wait and I respected her as a person, I would never have sex with her even if I wanted to. That last point cannot be emphasized enough. Don’t date people you don’t have a high regard for.”

    Little did he think we’d find out he wouldn’t be only having premarital sex but gay sex in a seminary bed.

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    1. Young people say stupid things, but this guff, as well as being blithely hypocritical, is just the sort of thing that reminds us why priests should just shut up about courtship and marriage, on which they know zilch. It's also highly embarrassing that Humanae Vitae was celebrated by the two lads just before their "homosexual activities" -- maybe as an unconscious protest against the guff they are wallowing in?

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  67. +Pat, I don't think it's working.

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  68. +Pat I have to say without your commitment to the truth we would be in the dark. I am very grateful for this. Please continue your good work.

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    1. Fast forward to 12 May 2028 at 23:18

      +Pat I have to say without your commitment to the truth we would be in the dark. I am very grateful for this. Please continue your good work.

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