Saturday, 5 May 2018

KILLDORRERY - WHERE ALLEGED SACRILEGE HAPPENED



SAINT BARTHOLOMEW'S CHURCH KILDORRERY

THE ABOVE PICTURE IS OF ST. BARTHOLOMEW'S CHURCH, KILDORRERY IN THE DIOCESE OF CLOYNE WHERE ALLEGEDLY A SEXUAL SACRILEGE WAS COMMITTED ON THE ALTAR.


CHURCH INTERIOR SHOWING THE ALTAR


BISHOP OF CLOYNE - WILLIE CREAN

There is a second church in the parish of Kildorrery called Saint Mologas.


SAINT MOLAGA'S CHURCH


COMPARING THE PHOTOS


PHOTO OF ALTAR OF KILDORRERY CHURCH

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PHOTO OF ALLEGED INCIDENT HAPPENING


NOTICE THAT THE DARK MARBLE PILLARS AND THE MARBLE CARVINGS MATCH


CANON LAW ON DESECRATION

This topic is dealt with in the Code of Canon Law and in the Ceremonial of Bishops. Canons 1211-1112 touch upon the violation of sacred places.

"Can. 1211 Sacred places are violated by gravely injurious actions done in them with scandal to the faithful, actions which, in the judgment of the local ordinary, are so grave and contrary to the holiness of the place that it is not permitted to carry on worship in them until the damage is repaired by a penitential rite according to the norm of the liturgical books.

"Can. 1212 Sacred places lose their dedication or blessing if they have been destroyed in large part, or have been turned over permanently to profane use by decree of the competent ordinary or in fact."

To this must be added the norms of the Ceremonial of Bishops, Nos. 1070-1092, which describes the public prayers to be made after the desecration of a church.

First, it specifies further the nature of the crimes that can desecrate a church as those that "do grave dishonor to sacred mysteries, especially to the Eucharistic species, and are committed to show contempt for the Church, or are crimes that are serious offenses against the dignity of the person and society."

It continues: "A church, therefore, is desecrated by actions that are gravely injurious in themselves and a cause of scandal to the faithful."

Reparation for the desecration is to be carried out with a penitential rite celebrated as soon as possible. Until that time, no sacred rite may be celebrated in the church. Preaching to prepare for the penitential rite may be carried out. The people are encouraged to avail themselves of the sacrament of reconciliation, which should be celebrated in another church. To symbolize penance, the Ceremonial recommends: "The altar of the church should be stripped bare and all customary signs of joy and gladness should be put away, for example, lights flowers, and other such articles."

It is fitting that the bishop presides at the rite of reparation, which may be either a celebration of the Eucharist or a Liturgy of the Word as circumstances suggest. It may be celebrated on any day except the Easter Triduum, Sundays and solemnities, but may be celebrated on the vigil of a Sunday. The Mass of reparation is the preferred mode.

The most suitable Mass formula may be chosen; for example: the votive Mass of the Holy Eucharist (in cases of profanation of the Blessed Sacrament) or for promoting harmony in the case of violent clashes.

There are several forms of carrying out the rite. One is a procession of the people from a nearby church or another suitable place during which prayer and the litany of the saints is sung, including the patron of the desecrated church and other prayers found in the Roman Ritual. If a procession is not possible, then the people gather in the church and the bishop and other ministers enter from the sacristy.


In the case of desecration of the Eucharist, the concluding rites of Mass are replaced by exposition, adoration and Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament.

If there is only a celebration of the Word, then everything is done as above, until after the homily. A prayer of intercession asking for God's mercy is carried out. The altar is then dressed and decorated by the ministers or the faithful. The bishop then approaches the altar, and kisses and incenses it. He subsequently introduces the Our Father, followed by a suitable closing prayer and the blessing.

When the Ceremonial of Bishops was published, the official rite of reparation was not yet promulgated. However, the elements provided in the Ceremonial and described above suffice for the preparation of an adequate celebration.


This article has been selected from the ZENIT Daily Dispatch

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PAT

QUESTIONS FOR BISHOP CREAN:

1. William, why have you not closed St. Bartholomew's Church pending the outcome of the investigation when you may have to reconsecrate it?

2. William, Why not have all religious services in the parish's second church, St. Mologa's pending the outcome of the investigation.

3. William, have you or the parish priest of Kildorrery informed the people of the parish about the alleged sacrilege and desecration?

4. Is the priest I named to you involved in this matter?

5. Is this priest currently in a rehab facility?

6. Has that priest previously been removed from ministry for other related/unrelated matters?

7. Have you attempted to ascertain the identity of the young man on the altar?

8. Is that young man a seminarian in Maynooth?

9. Have you informed the Papal Nuncio and Rome of the alleged sacrilege and desecration?

10. Have you observed canon law in your handling of this matter?


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GARDA CONFIRMED LAST NIGHT THEY ARE LOOKING INTO THE KILDORRERY INCIDENT.


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DIARMUID MARTIN TAKES A WOBBLER.





ARCHBISHOP DIARMUID MARTIN IN EMAIL TO PAT

"Please refrain from sending me photographs of pornographic nature.
DM:

PATS REPLY TO DIARMUID


"They are allegedly pictures of an Irish priest. YOU are the primate of Ireland and vice chair of the bishops conference.
It is your business.

Pat:

DIARMUID

This pornographic material was sent to me at 15.28when it was already publicly known that the matter was already under investigation by civil and church activities.
There was no reason at that time to send pornographic material to me.
Please refrain from sending pornographic material to this email address.
DM

PAT


They were sent to you on Tuesday and your press officer said you did not receive them!
As a result they were resent.
Do you not want to know and see what Irish priests are sending out to lay people?
Are you wanting to shoot the messenger and ignore the message?
Diarmuid, get real. Face up to what is currently going on in the Irish Church - and indeed in you own diocese.
We are in melt down.
Pat.

DIARMUID


I can find no trace of any e-mail from you on Tuesday.
By the time you then “resent” the images, the matter was already in the public domain and the matter had been taken in hand by church and civil investigation.
I do not think it was necessary at that stage to send me such horrendous images.
I have no wish to hide anything as you know.

DM

PAT
I was telling journalists that I sent you the worrying images allegedly sent by a priest.
They were telling me you were denying receiving them.
I have been open and trusting in providing you with worrying trends in the Irish Church.
As painful as it all is, if we do not see what is happening, How can we address it?
The pain of seeing these images is the pain of looking on the wounds of the Church.
Pat.



DIARMUID

The truth will set us free even if the truth is revolting.
Let the investigations now proceed.

DM


PAT

Agreed.

The Holy Spirit is cleansing.

Pat



THE IRISH INDEPENDENT TODAY


Gardaí try to verify images of sex act on church altar

Gardai are attempting to verify images that appear to show a sex act being carried out in a provincial church. Stock photo

Sarah MacDonald and Robin Schiller
May 5 2018 2:30 AM
Gardai are attempting to verify images that appear to show a sex act being carried out in a provincial church.
This week photographs began to circulate showing a man in priest's vestments engaging in a sex act on the altar of the parish grounds.
A formal complaint has been made to officers at a district Garda station, who are now leading the investigation into the incident.
However, the alleged sex act occurred in a nearby town and not in the parish where investigating gardaí are based.
A Garda spokesman yesterday confirmed that an investigation was under way after gardaí received a report on May 2.
A source told the Irish Independent gardaí were now trying to verify the images of the alleged incident, and would have to establish what crime, if any, had taken place.

"There are a range of different offences that could have been committed here, but gardaí first have to establish if the images in question are authentic.
The investigation is still in the early stages, a lewd act may have been committed but that will become apparent at a later stage," the source said.
It is understood that a person connected to the church made the formal complaint.
A person who obtained the images, who wished to remain anonymous, described the incident as "an abomination".
They also questioned how many people had received communion at the altar of the parish church since its violation, or had been confirmed, buried or married.
The individual also called for "some sort of exorcism" of the church.
"The photographs depict something that appears to be somewhat satanic," they told the Irish Independent.
The graphic images show two men across what appears to be the altar of a small country church, and engaged in intimate poses. There is no suggestion that the intimate act is not consensual.
The diocese concerned declined to give an indication as to whether the church has been re-consecrated.
Profane
The Catholic Church teaches that sacrilege occurs when sacred objects are used for an unworthy purpose. This includes the profane use of sacred vestments. Church law also teaches that defiling a sacred place by sexual acts is sacrilege.
According to Church law: "A church is desecrated by actions that are gravely injurious in themselves and a cause of scandal to the faithful."
The concerning images will be investigated during a year when the Catholic Church in Ireland is facing challenges including the upcoming abortion referendum.
The papal visit in August is expected to be a celebration of the family, but there will also be a strong focus on his response to victims of clerical sex abuse scandals.
The Church has also been under scrutiny over its attitudes towards same-sex couples in the run-up to the World Meeting of Families later in the summer.

Irish Independent


159 comments:

  1. "Please refrain from sending me photographs of pornographic nature"

    Pat, I'm sat in the bed reading the blog and when I read that I burst out laughing. Your a great man for the craic. thanks for giving me a laugh before bed.

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    1. If that's the worst that Dermo has seen in his 73 years he has led a very sheltered life.

      What planet is Dermo living on after "strange goings on", Maynooth, Gorgeous, Darwin et Al.

      The pics were sent to Dermo to let him know what Irish priests are up to - not to get him "all worked up".

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    2. have you more pictures?

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    3. You should have said "no need to go down my throat".

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  2. I should have said you're. typo :)

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  3. He won't. Don't you yet realise, Bishop Pat? These Roman Catholic WHORES (LIKE DEAR OLD NOEL TREANOR, WHO, UNDENIABLY BY HIM, SPENT FOUR ****** MILLION QUID, DOING' UP HIS PALATIAL HOME, these ********

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  4. Yes, Cloyne has some odd looking priests alright but a few quite attractive ones too. Have a glance at Gerard Condon & Brian Boyle - very hot indeed!

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    1. I like Francis Mannion. He's improved since Maynooth.

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  5. yes, I came across brendan doyle yesterday while I was scurring around on the page and he caught my eye

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  6. So people are still being blatantly judged according to their physical appearance..

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  7. Dear oh dear, Pat. One hopes you were not the cause of the Archbishop of Dublin and Primate of Ireland having an irregular motion of the flesh! ROFL

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  8. 00:40 I presume you mean Brian Boyle? I don't see a Brendan Doyle among the Cloyne clergy? Brian Boyle is very attractive indeed.....he has aged well since his time in Thurles.

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  9. It's a fair comment on one hand by DM to cover himself, but it is quite revealing in another sense. Typical DM. It's a pity you said it was not an archdiocese so early, pat. They could have done with the runaround. Better to have sent the blobbed pics to them and wonder if it was any of their churches. Maybe they would have pleaded to get the full pics. Now they are happy to play politics. Bless them all.

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  10. Bidhop Pat, please don't be put off. Your enemies are gathering around you, ready to devour you. You are stronger than they; you are morally better than they.

    Stand up to these filthyy whores, strong in truth.

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  12. Diarmuid, please get down off your feckin high horse and refrain from your affected moral indignation. You’re fooling no one.

    Why don’t you act just for once like a true Christian leader and do something to sort out the degenerate and perverted priests and seminarians who are running amok in the Church?

    Why don’t you and your fellow bishops sort out the sorry excuse for a seminary that is May/Gaynooth?

    Save your moral indignation for the likes of “Gorgeous”, “King Puck”, “Horny Andy X” and all that merry crew!’

    What sort of state have we reached when a priest would desecrate the Altar of God in the House of God???

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  13. Pat, could the seminarian suspect possibly be from a diocese a good bit further up the country from Killdorrery and Cloyne?

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    1. Yes.

      But we have not yet fully established it was a seminarian.

      The name of a seminarian was sent to me.

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    2. Some seminarians build up circles of priest friends into such carry on all around the country.

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    3. So all seminarians north of Killdorrery are suspects. How many is that do we know.

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  14. Ah Pat you've definitely gotten up Dermo's left nostril bringing uncomfortable facts to his attention! At the start of WW1 elite German regiments were turning down recruits if they had a tooth filled, at the end of the war they were taking anybody. The RC church in Ireland is like the German army in 1918 they will take anybody just to make up the numbers and are suffering the consequences.

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  15. I wish my bishop, William Crean, spoke out about these matters that is leaving every priest in Cloyne under a cloud of suspicion. He should also speak at Masses tomorrow in Kildorrery. Cloyne PP.

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    1. Father, you are right. It is not good for the presbyterite of Cloyne as a whole to be tarnished.

      It is FIVE DAYS since I informed Crean of this matter and he did not have the good manners to acknowledge.

      I'm afraid your bishop is not a Good Shepherd!

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  16. Archbishop Diarmuid Martin is right. He should not be subject to harassment or intimidation of any kind. He's already aware of the issue and no one more than this man has done more to ensure the full and total implementation of policies around child protection. No one more than this Archbishop has ensured the highest standards of Child Protection Policies and responds swiftly to situations and personnel at the centre of abuses, real or alleged. Name calling, innuendo, vulgarity (Magna) and hate inciting comments are unacceptable. The Gardai are incestigating alleged incident as discussed here. Hopefully the truth will be sought and shared. In the meantime is it just and fair to engage in this horrid judging of the Bishops in so vicious a way? And, I find the aggressive approach here unacceptable.

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    1. Diarmuid Martin? "If you get a name for early rising,you can lie all day".

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    2. @08:18 - are you the albed private lay secretary?

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    3. Yes, and so what if I am? It detracts nothing from the reasonable points I've made.

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    4. I only wore the alb, under instructions from the sacristan because I was assisting the Archbishop and I would have stood out in lay dress. It's fake news, I'm afraid.

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    5. 8.18 except we are not talking of child protection here.

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  17. Indeed Pat, 08.35, a minor typographical error in my spelling- investigating!! However, my argument stands without your cynicism. Principles of justice, fairness and truth don't always prevail on this blog. You swirl from one issue to another without proper verification of facts. I suspect you are interested in the truth but let it be fact based not through innuendo and hearsay.

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    1. Thank you.

      I am interested in the truth.

      But truth, like gold, is often deeply hidden and a lot of digging is required to get at it.

      When someone tells me of a hidden truth I start digging.

      Where else can you start?

      It's the ones who refuse to search and dig that never find the gold.

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  18. DIARMUID MARTIN:

    Diarmuid, like us all, is far from perfect.

    But at least he will dialogue with you and if you speak plainly to him, as I try to do, he will see your point of view and at least think about it.

    Compare him to men like Crean who will not even have the good manners to acknowledge communications.

    Diarmuid did act by withdrawing his seminarians from Maynooth.

    Gorgeous is not a Dublin seminarian anymore.

    A prominent Dublin priest was moved sideways.

    I think we must give credit where credit is due?

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    1. +Pat. You are right to be fair about DM.

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    2. The day you become a bishop is the day people stop telling you the truth. I know this personally. Emeritus.

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    3. I think Diarmuid Martin is one of the few Irish bishops with any credibility left.

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    4. Pat, remember Dermo is responsive to you because you have clout through this blog and your work. Others who have been terribly ill treated by his errant clergy have been trampled on again when they turned to Dermo for help. Look at the abuses that has gone on in his own cathedral for the past several years.

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  19. This entire saga is deeply troubling Pat. I've been a follower of your blog for many years and have trust in you to do the right thing by exposing this kind of story as it shouldn't go unreported. I've been exploring my vocation for about eighteen months now and right now after following this story for a few days, my feelings lead me to believe that the priesthood isn't the calling for me. Please say a prayer for me.

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    1. I will offer my 12 noon Mass for you tomorrow.

      Do not make a rushed decision.

      The fact that you are probing so deeply is a very good sign.

      The Church never need good priests more.

      I worry about the current batch of seminarians who think they are God's gift.

      If you want to chat...

      00447488374364

      bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

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    2. 9.23 DM seems to have credibility compared to other bishops simply because he is better able to posture in the eyes of the media than others. When it suits him, as in the past, he will turn other bishops out when the posturing demands it. Don't mistake this for real credibility. Look at how many bishops and priests have sold out pro life cause over many years - more posturing - and tragically they think it will bring themselves to a better place. How wrong they are.

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    3. I recommend a chat with Pat. He's a superb listener, calm and sounds like someone who's heard it all before. In my case I was having extra-marital relations as they say (adultery) and after a long chat he gave me surprisingly orthodox advice. I stopped, fessed up, and after a lot of pain for my wife and I our marriage was saved.

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    4. 09:13 you have to accept that some people will do bad things. Why would that discourage you? Your being led by the Holy Spirit not by clerics to follow Jesus. I understand if you are discerning fot the diocese of Cloyne it might shake your discernment but don’t let what unwell people do discourage your dialogue with Christ.

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    5. DM has better PR than the other bishops.

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  20. Pat, I'm surprised that you're quoting Canon Law. Normally you have no time for it.

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    1. True.

      But those who are supposed to uphold canon law will not even observe it themselves - or at least only when it suits them!

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    2. The Canon quoted makes clear that this is entirely a matter for the local bishop. It is for him to decide what if anything needs to be done. He doesn't have to answer to Sarah MacDonald.... or anyone else.

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    3. Why is Bishop Crean allowing Mass to be celebrated on an altar and in a church which may have been desecrated by a sacrilegious act?

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    4. The welfare of the two lovers should be paramount.

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    5. @9.41
      Justise ought to be administered in public.

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    6. +Pat, as you'll know from your Canon Law studies in seminary (you've said before it was your favourite subject) the Catholic church is a federation, with each diocese being, in the lingo, a "local church". Effectively every bishop is a mini-Pope and Metropolitan archbishops have no power over them. Dairmuid or Eamon cannot tell William what to do and Francis has emasculated the CDF. So if Bishop Crean decides to ignore your email and do nothing, that's that. The nuncio has no judicial powers over him. The only thing that works is exposure on your blog and by the media.

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    7. Unless they have previous form, they’d be admonished, or bound over for good behaviour at most.

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  21. After all the strange goings-on, I’m surprised this romp may have involved yet another young seminarian from Maynooth. They just can’t say, no. Mind you, it’s hard to resist powerfully built, muscle-daddy types even if he’s a priest.

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  22. A lesson for DM, if you are reading, please see this as a far less stressful response:

    Dear +Pat,

    I acknowledge receipt of your email with attachments. I think the attachments make for horrible viewing and wish I had not seen them. That said the content does need to be addressed and you were right to have raised the matter with Church authorities.

    At this point I am assured thst the local Ordinary and Gardai are handling the matter therefore I currently cannot intervene.

    With every blessing
    DM.

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    Now DM if you could have written your first response like that would you not have an easier day and vetter publicity. Stop acting like a clown and start acting like a CEO for that is what you are.

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    1. DM's response was probably drafted by his alb-wearing lay Private Secretary.

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    2. DM composes his own private emails.

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    3. As a courtesy, I believe +Pat should only send redacted pictures in the first instances. Full-frontals should come later.

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  23. The clergy have finally cottoned on that the full force of the law will be applied to abusers of minors so they've raised the age bracket to 18 year olds.

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    1. It is the LAW that decided a young person is a member of minor until he/she is 18 yrs old. No exceptions

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    2. I meant that they predate on those aged 18+, to avoid prison.

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  24. +Pat did you send the pictures / emails to his personal email or his Diocesan one? It could have been the initial email didn’t get through the firewall but the second one did as it was then “trusted”

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    1. To his personal email. Maybe something technical happened with the first send?

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    2. Hi +Pat - it’s possible it went to the junk folder if the images flagged the email server to mark as spam or inappropriate etc. the fact the second one went I’d say the first was marked as spam.

      Then there is always the other side. He did get the first but is pretending he didn’t.

      Usually by resending the same message it flags to the mail server that it’s more likely legit.

      Spammers usually send from multiple / different emails and different content so it’s a filter mechanism to block emails from rogue senders.

      Also if he’s on Microsoft outlook.com or hotmail Microsoft sometimes don’t even send to your mailbox junk folder. Gmail usually always allow content but junk will appear as junk.

      Sorry to bore you!

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  25. Here's a hard-hitting article by a QUB historian arguing that Catholic Ireland is dead. He makes the unarguable point that despite having a near monopoly on education in the South, the young and youngish products of Catholic schools are likely to vote anti-baby in the referendum. What a failure of catechesis and apologetics in the pulpit, schools and families.

    It has reached its nadir in the strange goings-on in Maynooth, the Repeal the 8th campaigners photographed in front of the BVM statue in Maynooth and "Vote Yes" posters all over the campus there, and the desecration in Cloyne diocese.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/catholic-ireland-is-dead-and-gone/

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  26. The priest in question visited maynooth many times Pat

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    1. Can you tell me more....even privately?

      bishopbuckley1@outlook.com

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    2. He befriended Brendan Marshall and Stephen Wilson at a college function. I can't say anymore pat

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    3. The size of it, the young trainees have probably been throwing themselves at him, +Pat.

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    4. Re 11:37

      Sounds like a ménage à trois, +Pat. It wouldn’t surprise readers if a dog also tried to join in.

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    5. Why is Brendan getting abuse all the time? He is actually not the worst of them. Do you know Brendan Pat? I think you’re being misled

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    6. No, I don't know Brendan, or Sean or Stephen.

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    7. 13:00

      Hi Brendan. LOL

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    8. Is Brendan still a member of Sinn Fein?

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    9. Yes, Brendan is very fond of the photo of him and the Bogside Butcher.

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    10. Wasn't Stephen Wilson the Trolly Dolly who was studying music? I thought he'd left the seminary.

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    11. No, Stephen hasn't. It was three straight seminarians.

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  27. D Martin couldn’t give a hang and do you know why? Because it doesn’t involve the Archdiocese of Dublin. What’s this I hear today Pat about some rumblings going on in the Archdiocese of Armagh. Have you head anything?
    Coalisland Bill

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  28. I would be very surprised if this atrocious act DID NOT INVOLVE a sodomite priest and seminarian of which the Irish presbyterate and Maynooth is now replete.

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  29. The Church has gone to the dogs since 1965.

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  30. Pat, Are you sure this isn't a set up? The individuals in the photos could have dressed up, broken into the church and posed for photos? I am amazed that no one as of yet has been able to identify the priest in question?

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    1. The priest in question is known - but he has not been named - in Ireland at least.

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    2. Do you know who he is?

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    3. It seems suspicions revolve around a very attractive former priest with a drink problem. However, the twinks involved may not be seminarians after all, which will come as a surprise to many.

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    4. I don't think "former priest" is the correct phrase.

      The priest being mentioned still has a pastoral appointment in the diocese of Cloyne.

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    5. What a rascal he is. I wonder how many other altars he's played upon?

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  31. What year in formation do candidates get to wear the clerical collar ? I’ve seen someone wearing it in first year and I thought pompous little sh1t. Is it allowed in first year ? Is it normal ?

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    1. All seminarians wear collars under their cassocks inside the college.

      However they do not generally wear it outside until the end of their 5th or 6th year when they become a deacon.

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    2. Yes it is worn from 1st year

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    3. Thanks all. Didn’t realise they wore cassocks too in seminary. That’s very old fashioned. Thanks for the clarification. My bad!

      Have a good weekend.

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    4. It’s choir dress.

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    5. Hi +Pat - no we don't wear the cassock in the seminary; at least, not on a daily basis. Though it wouldn't be any harm when you consider the state of some of the lads in the oratory first thing in the morning.

      The cassock is really only worn when there is a show - when the benefactors are visiting, or when the choir is singing during the carol service, or when someone is visiting from Rome.

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  32. Who cares, it prob a fashion trend like the no denim jeans

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  33. Sure anyone can wear clerical robes having oral sex

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    1. Not everyone has access to clerical robes!!! Do you?

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  34. If u read the blog you wd know the answer 1146

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  35. Some are worried about poor priests being offended. It does not matter how nice they are they revere a book that commands that gays be stoned to death without mercy and which says God commanded it. Id worry about that instead of some shag on an altar. The altar is not sacred in the first place except in people's superstitious imagination. It is a religion of deliberate lies. We are never told how Jesus condoned paedophilia when he banned wives from divorcing though many of them were children and remember the girls consent was never looked for when she was taken to the marriage ceremony. They claim to be the update of the religion that God gave Moses. Thus they have to take responsibility for what was done in the name of the Hebrew faith and that included obeying a God who wanted pagan altars smashed. How do you think Christianity got rid of paganism? By sacrilege. I would waste no pity on them and I hope it starts a trend.

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    1. @ 12.47
      That excuse of a comment is beyond contempt One twisted individual of a writer..

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  36. Not much point putting robes under lock and key..if a priest needs them he will find a way.

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    1. You obviously don't know very much about sacristies being locked. If they are unlocked someone is always there to supervise. Many sacristies are locked even during Mass.

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    2. When did Clara chapel start getting locked?

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    3. We are talking about the sacristy not the Church itself, big difference. I wish people knew and realised what they are talking about. Then again some people on here think they know it all and clearly don't. If you don't know what a sacristy is then why bother commenting.

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  37. I see from the Cloyne website they have a Fr Patrick Buckley lol. Fr Gerard Condron adopts a sultry pose for his profile photo. Cloyne also has no fewer than 9 priests serving outside the diocese, in a mix of desk jobs and army chaplaincies, including the British Army, which is quite an achievement for the rebel county.

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    1. Down and Connor has, unbelievably, a Fr Brendan Smyth. You'd think he'd change it.

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  38. The Irish church is in a derisory state just based on reading the comments here: what appears to be priests/seminarians commenting on the attractiveness of other clergy! ROFL.

    It's a gay man's paradise. Beats work I suppose!?

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  39. Yep Coalisland has had its fair share.
    Pat, what about Magherafelt?.. did the young fella and his family get sorted.

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    1. There have been HUGE developments in Magherafelt.

      The boy is back in the Holy Communion ceremony.

      The PP has gone missing!

      Will blog about it very soon.

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    2. Why has Fr Gates gone missing?

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    3. Dear knows. We can only hope there is no copycat altar humping by other disaffected priests.

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  40. What about Ann Lovett’s boyfriend now making a statement.
    Do we now have another coverup
    Do we now have another bishop making a young fells make a promise.
    Please read the full story.

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  41. The Irish times...full account from Ann Lovett’s boyfriend.

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  42. Xxxxxx Xxxxcx the vicious homosexual from Xxxxxcc is actully not the worst of them?' So being found in bed (in seminary) with a seminarian and getting another mans vocation destroyed is not the worst thing? Having sex on an altar is equally as scandalous as having sex in a seminary. End.

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    1. Having sex on an altar, to my mind, is far more serious than having sex in a bedroom, even in a seminary.

      One might be sinful. The other is a sacrilege and a desecreation.

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    2. The big difference is that it's a Priest and altar sex as opposed to a Seminarian bed hopping and bullying other Sems. Both are bad and no worse than the other. End

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    3. The PP Fr. Eamonn in Kildorrery was asked today if Bishop Crean would address us parishioners this weekend at Mass. The answer was he had no intention of doing so because the Gardai are involved. This is not good enough

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    4. What is done is done and cannot be undone. The scallywag has probably been skipping like a he-goat upon the altar of most churches in the diocese. St Bart's may be just another notch in his belt.

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    5. It can be undone if you read the blog today properly. The only option is reconsecration and the Church needs to be closed in order to do this. The Bishop is clearly not acting on this.

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    6. 15.59 If he has, he certainly hates the Church.

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    7. @15:57

      In this case, +Pat, just like celibacy, ”sacrilege and desecration” is now just mere rhetoric.

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  43. It’s my understanding that Bishop Crean is realeasing a statement to be read out at Masses in Cloyne this weekend.
    Charleville

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  44. Magna Carta's Mum5 May 2018 at 16:06

    All this talk of bed-hopping is most distressing. It also accounts for Magna's absence today, because I took the opportunity yesterday to break it to him that his father was actually taken from us by a barmaid.
    He's prostrate upstairs.
    Not least that he now knows that all the Magna Cartas around all spring from the same loins, as it were. They're all the real thing.
    And I must say thank you to the Canon for his kind words yesterday, and I'm sorry it took so long to reply but obviously things are a bit fraught at the moment.

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    1. 16.06 Magna will you for God sake shut your mouth. Your humour is pathetic and not funny. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic being discussed. Do us all a favour and get lost.

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    2. 16:24, a word in your ear, old boy/girl. THAT is not Magna. THAT is an impostor, a charlatan basking in MY glory. (Well, as you've discovered with his/her lousy and ill-timed humour, not successfully.)

      Please do not discredit me when it isn't my due.😆

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    3. 16:24, stfu yourself. Every time you tell the fool to shut up he just posts more, you idiot

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    4. 16.47 Who rattled your cage? He's hardly going to listen to your rubbish advice. Jog along twit

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    5. Magna, 16.42: You don't require anyone to discredit you - you do it brilliantly yourself with your obnoxious, drink fuelled hatred and bigotry. Enough said. You are a master of self destruction.

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    6. Magna Carta's Mum5 May 2018 at 17:54

      That's right, son, you tell them. It's terrible the tone of some of the comments here. Luckily I don't let it get to me and just carry on.

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  45. Archbishop Martin, get real, and stop acting as though butter wouldn't melt in your mouth ! Stop sending you pornographic images ? I'm sure you have seen enough on the laptops and computers of many of your priests, who spend inordinate amounts of their time fulfilling their frustrated desires by abusing themselves while watching pornography. So, don't come on all offended when + Pat sends you stuff that is being done by your priests, as if you are shocked. You already know the horrendous dysfunction that is alive and kicking in your Church and in your priesthood. Sort that out first before getting all precious about + Pat letting you know what is going on.

    The standing of you and your fellow bishops in Ireland, indeed of the Church is Ireland, is pathetically low. You guys have ruined the Church by your idiotic and lamentable management of matters, and the staggering lack of leadership. How dare you have any view on anything of importance anymore that will be taken seriously. You people are so discredited. You have only yourselves to blame. The sooner sensible lay people take over the leadership of the Church and sideline the likes of you, then the better. Perhaps we need to become a Church without bishops, or at least with bishops who are men, and women, who are sane, sensible and lead normal lives in families and proper relationships rather than the dysfunctional frustrated and discredited lives that you and the vast majority of your bishops and priests lead. And, you are certainly not holy either, so don't come on all offended and innocent.

    When Pope Francis comes he should sack the lot of you and send you packing.

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    1. 16:06, yours is actually a wonderful post.

      I agree with every word of it, especially the bits about getting rid of bishops (is there a toilet large enough to flush them down, though?) and of having Pope Francis' sack the bloody useless lot of 'em when he comes to Ireland on the next leg of his Pauline-like missionary journey to rouse the dying faith of a nation-once-again.😆😆😆

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    2. Magna, you are an awful man. How do you sustain such rancour. I like some of your posts but how do you stay in constant demolition mode. Surely there are some green shoots that can be dwelt upon?

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    3. If I am an awful man 18:43, it is because there are matters to be awful about within institutional Roman Catholicism.

      And if there are 'green shoots' around, they will, as usual, be choked to death by big, ugly, clericalist weeds.

      Ireland needs a return visit by St Patrick, so that he can sweep every single one of these vile clerical (warning: 'mixaphor') snakes into a perishing sea. 😆

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    4. 19.44 maybe, Magna, you are St Patrick returned, so why not defend the green shoots against the big weeds?

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    5. 22:21, so THAT'S why I'm so drawn to sheep! I thought I was just a pervert. 😅

      Ok. Shoot with the shoots. 😆

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  46. Thanks Magnum, normally you disagree with my observations and throw insults. I'm glad you see my perspective.

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  47. +Pat I’m surprised you didn’t drive down to the Church in the photograph like you did in Bray to see the CCTV cameras installed. You could have interviewed the parishioners and did a YouTube scope for the blog.

    The person pretending to be Coddle Martin’s private secretary is a joke. Joseph isn’t going to rush to put his head above the parapet.

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  48. That's me done with the blog for today now that the Magnas have taken over it for the rest of the night. Same old pattern. The topic becomes lost when them pair of idiots start slabbering on

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    1. Magna Carta's Mum5 May 2018 at 19:57

      Good night, dear. See you tomorrow.

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    2. Sure yill miss all the craic, 18:59, especially when I've wet me whistle a little later. 😆

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    3. Magna Carta's Mum5 May 2018 at 20:15

      I think Fr Hunwicke might suit him better, don't you, son?

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    4. 18.59: You are so right about the horribly, boring, stupid, infantile maggies. It's a pity Pat allows them to dominate and effectively belittle really, serious issues.

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    5. Mommie dearest @ 20:15, now that suggestion is just plain mischief-making. You know as well as I that Fr Hunwicke is more unstable than even any of us Cartas.

      All of those traddies have a screw loose and loosen the screws of everyone who approaches them for help. Why they even have them praise Pope Benedict XVII! Father Hunwicke has more adulation for Benedict than he has for Jesus. And that's just blasphemous.

      Mommie dearest, you are still on that drug regimen, aren't you? Please assure me you are. You know how much I worry about your mental health, and how little you take care of it! And when I worry, I hit the you-know-what all the harder. And it costs a king's ransom these days. Well, that's the Tories for you, and their anti-plebian budgets.

      Must go now, mommie dearest.

      Take care.

      Magsie-Wagsie x

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  49. first holy communion took place at the Church today. How can a bishop allow that to have gone ahead?

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  50. I can see how seminarians would be interested in this priest. He's a muscle daddy and is very well endowed from the picture posted. He's also quite attractive.

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  51. Magna in Luke’s gospel Jesus calls on his disciples to love their enemies and to do good to those who hate them. The scripture tells us that Jesus was very much realistic about the hostility that would come his own way and the way of his followers. In scripture we see that Jesus foretold of people like you who hate his Church and his followers, St Peter’s successors his Ordinary’s and all his Holy Clergy. But the Church also as in the scripture love thy enemy. You can be redeemed. The Church does not hate you even if you were not suitable for ordained ministry you are loved by God and his Holy Church. Amen +

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    1. 20:18, your post was quite reasonable-sounding up to the point where you told a lie: 'you were not suitable for ordained ministry...' . You, and others here, wish.😆

      As for Jesus, he made no mention of the institutional Roman Catholic Church, because it didn't exist at the time.

      I'm much too polite to tell you what my younger brother, Minor Carta, would retort here. He has a foul tongue, and a temper to match. He would just tell you that you were talking out your ass about the Scripture and about me. Now I wouldn't say any such thing, but he would. 😆

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    2. Magna - your a highly intelligent and well read man. I don’t doubt you would have had many gifts to bring to the priesthood had you went forward to receive Holy Orders. I know you have said previously, that you were, like many others unaware of the systemic abuse within the RCC.

      But the problem is you seems to think that all those ordained are unfit and are not holy men. There are many men who failed us but in proportion they are a minority.

      I think with your level of intellect you can be better than you are perceived on this blog.

      I don’t want to say that I think you’ve been hurt because I don’t know you. I know from what I’ve read you have been failed by the church as have many people.

      The Church has through the men ordained failed many people but I don’t believe the Church as an institution is a w***e and beyond redemption.

      I know that even if you continue your fight against the Church that you are, deep down, a good man. As a Jesuit once said to me “God doesn’t make crap” - God makes us all in his image and likeness and however that might manifest its self.

      I would also like to say I do not agree with the abuse leveled against you and those who do that need also to see what scripture is telling us.

      Enjoy the bank holiday weekend.

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    3. Thank you, 22:12.

      Your post is magnanimous indeed.

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    4. @22.12 Please pass the sick
      bucket will you. That was well written by yourself Magna. We are not fools you idiot.

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    5. 22:37 - I am not Magna and you are the one of a few who I suggest refer to scripture in my last comment. It actually makes me almost look for the sick bucket when comments like this come in - read John’s gospel for today and stop being small minded. You have no authority. We can be fueled on love or hatred. If you read the gospel you will see what Christ would prefer. Refer to scripture.

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    6. 22.12: God indeed doesn't create crap but we can certainly make crap of our lives and make crap of others by our words, deeds and actions as exemplified by Magna Blue. His vile abuse of others deserves contempt. He gets zero sympathy from me and his presence on this blog is a disgrace because of his deep hatred and bigotry. He has no capacity to be normal..

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  52. Magna at 20.13: You should zip your big, ugly mouth as you only spew out filth, abuse and vile, offensive words. What a pathetic piece you are!

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    1. And you couldn't resist telling me, could you? 😆

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  53. 20.06 That is shameful.

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  54. 13 posts from both Maggie's so far and counting. No wonder why people are fed up contributing to any serious debate on here and switch off.

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    1. 22:11, what in Hades is your problem! Is anyone stoping you from multi-commenting?

      Raise a serious issue and I'll address it. But you'll have to stop whining first. 😆

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