Thursday, 31 May 2018

TO BE A ROMAN CATHOLIC OR NOT ???




I THINK THAT THE TIME HAS TRULY COME FOR IRISH CATHOLICS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO BE ROMAN CATHOLICS.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches:

1. That all forms of artificial contraception are immoral and sinful.

2. That pre-marriage sex is a serious sin.

3, That masturbation is a serious sin.

4. That divorce and remarriage without a church annulment is a serious sin and that such a couple is "living in sin".

5. That homosexual acts are seriously disordered and a serious sin.

6. That having an abortion of facilitating it in any way is a serious sin and that all those who do it are EXCOMMUNICATED from the church.

7. That sterilization is immoral and sinful.

8. That IVF is immoral and sinful.

9. That missing Mass on a Sunday is a serious sin.

10. That not going to Confession once a year is a sin.

Th4e Church also teaches that it is a serious sin to receive Holy Communion with any of these sins on your soul.


Is it not hypocritical to practice ann or all of these "sinful" activities and still call yourself a Roman Catholic?

Of course, the Roman Catholic Church is entitled to its beliefs and teaching and to preach and proclaim them. We are living in a country that affords freedom of religion.


The current way many Irish people behave of not practicing church teachings but still using the church for Baptism, Holy Communion, Confirmation, Marriage and Funerals is really hypocritical.

People should have their principles and convictions and live by those principles and convictions.

1. Why send your children to Catholic schools if you do not believe in and practice that faith?

2. Why baptize your children when you never go to Mass?

3. Why use First Holy Communion and Confirmation occasions as social occasions when they are supposed to be religious occasions?

4. Why have a Roman Catholic priest marry you when you do not believe what he expects you to believe?

5. Why bring deceased people, who never went to Mass, to have a Funeral Mass when they die.


The Roman Catholic Church has used its number of "members" to claim a right to speak out in public debate.

But individuals who are lapsed and nonpracticing Catholics have used priests and churches to help them "celebrate" social occasions and rites of passage.

Both clerics and lay people have colluded with each other is a great conspiracy of silence.

This is hypocrisy and hypocrisy is never good or healthy.




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 by Nick Hallett BBC

Bishops condemned an interview where the Catholic politician was repeatedly questioned on his faith
Two bishops have strongly criticised the BBC after a presenter asked Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg whether his Catholic faith could be a bar to holding high office in Britain.
The bishops of Shrewsbury and Paisley accused the BBC of “bigotry” towards Catholicism following Rees-Mogg’s appearance on The Daily Politics, during which presenter Jo Coburn quizzed the MP on his religious and social views.
Rees-Mogg himself accused Coburn of “picking on the views of the Catholic Church” after she asked him whether his Catholic views meant he had a problem with Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson being a lesbian and pregnant.
The Conservative MP said during the interview: “I make no criticism of any of my colleagues, but do you believe in religious tolerance?”
He continued: “So why do you pick on this view of the Catholic Church? I am asking you, why do you pick on the views of the Catholic Church?”
Coburn responded: “I am saying there are people who might have a problem with it,” to which Rees-Mogg answered: “You are saying that tolerance only goes so far and you should not be tolerant of the teaching of the Catholic Church, so isn’t this stretching into religious bigotry?”
The presenter asked him if he thought his faith was a barrier to holding high office, prompting the Catholic politician to respond: “Ah, that is a different question and it is really important to get to the heart of this because this country believes in religious tolerance, we are a very tolerant nation.
“The act of tolerance is to tolerate things you do not agree with not just ones you do agree with and the problem with liberal tolerance is it has got to the point of only tolerating what it likes.”


Mark Davis aka Dark Mavis

Bishop Mark Davies of Shrewsbury condemned the way the interview was conducted. He told the Catholic Herald: “The hounding of a Member of Parliament like Jacob Rees-Mogg for simply sharing the faith of Catholic Church indicates that the BBC and its interviewers see Catholic teaching as being somehow beyond public tolerance. It is hard to see this treatment of Catholic politicians as being other than a new bigotry.”
Bishop John Keenan of Paisley also accused the presenter of trying to “hide behind the old red-herrings of ‘other people say’, and ‘members of your own party say’.”


John Keenan

He added: “When that particular trick wasn’t working, she had to lay her cards on the table and put to him the notion – as a serious question, can you believe! – that being a practicing Catholic should be a barrier to high public office.
“In short, that Catholics like Rees-Mogg simply can’t be Prime Minister because it’s just not British in this day and age. She openly wondered if it was a ‘problem’ to hold ordinary Catholic beliefs in high office, and seriously suggested that Catholics who were against the likes of abortion and same-sex marriage should be barred from decision-making in public life.
“Rees-Mogg was quite right to call this secular bigotry. What else is it?”
Bishop Keenan told the Herald that Rees-Mogg was right to “point out that this aggressive secularism has nothing liberal about it”.
The bishop added: “He was right to call out the BBC for picking on the Catholic Church particularly, and to signal that it would not treat Muslims or Jews in anything like the same prejudicial way in which it now routinely and casually treats Catholics.”
Last month, Bishop Keenan complained to BBC Scotland over a video that said Communion “tastes like cardboard and smells like hate”.
“Jo Coburn asked, in the end, if you can divorce your personal views from your politics,” the bishop said. “It is clear that there are elements in the BBC who find it quite impossible to make such a separation, and who find it quite acceptable to bring their own personal animus against the Catholic Church to the front and centre of their work, in an aggressive propaganda that runs ‘Pro-Choice-LGBT good, Catholics bad’.
“They peddle this idea without a care for its compromising effect on the best values of their own public service broadcasting mission. In that sense, it is not just the Catholic Church that they offend but their own founding values of balance and fairness.”
He added: “I wonder, when the dust settles and this era moves on, if the BBC will be able to emerge with any reputation intact from having so boldly pinned its colours to the mast of a present but surely time-limited ideology whose worrying and deleterious effects on tolerance and on the common good are becoming plainer to see by the day.”
Rees-Mogg’s Conservative colleague Sir Edward Leigh MP said: “BBC presenters often treat observant religious people in general and Catholics in particular as if they’re not of the modern world. It speaks to the strengths of the Conservative party that people as ostensibly different as Jacob Rees-Mogg and Ruth Davidson get on well in the same party. Actually, I think all the people of this country get on much better than the BBC would really like them to.”
The BBC said: “Jacob Rees Mogg is viewed by many as a potential future leader of the Conservative Party and possible future prime minister. Jo Coburn did not question his right to be a practicing Catholic in public life, and did not raise his Catholicism, but used the interview to explore whether Mr. Rees Mogg’s views on gay marriage and abortion were out of step with the mainstream of his colleagues at Westminster.
“Both the current and last prime minister have backed gay marriage, and argued for the abortion laws in Great Britain to remain largely unchanged.

“Jo also referred directly to several Conservative MPs who have said they believe Mr. Rees Mogg’s views on the issues of gay marriage and abortion to be incompatible with leading the party, and it was not unreasonable to ask him to respond to those claims


PAT SAYS:


"I totally disagree with what you say.
But I am willing to die for your right to say it"

Conservative Roman Catholics are entitled to their beliefs and opinions and the right to express those beliefs and opinions in private and in public.

Others, like me, may believe that some of their beliefs and opinions are wrong, outdated, illiberal and prejudiced.

And we are entitled to our views too - and to express them.

But both conservatives and liberals must be tolerant of each other.

I do not agree with many of the views of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

But I do like him and I do admire him for his principles and his honesty about those principles in public.

I imagine that he is an intelligent enough man to know that the UK will never be a country that enshrines Roman Catholic doctrines in its laws. And if he were prime minister I do not think that would try to impose his beliefs on others - and if he tried to he would not get away with it.

I believe in the TOTAL SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

The history of our own country of Ireland shows the evils that flow from church domination of public and political life.

Let us all have freedom of religion.

And let us also have total separation of church and state.


110 comments:

  1. There are those who expect the Church to remain faithful to its teachings on moral and ethical matters and on its Sacramental integrity. People deserve to be informed but also deserve respect and tolerance. This approach works best and more fruitfully. Priests mostly treat couples with the utmost respect. I cannot recall ever having confrontation with any couple in almost 40 years of ministry. Dialogue, respect, tolerance, encouragement and spiritual kindness is a more effective way of working with people. It pays more dividends than a "take it or leave it" approach. We are living in radically different times where priests and the Church need to relearn the experiences of modern life and respond as positively and caringly with understanding. I don't like the obsessive intrusion into people's lives that's become a perversion on this blog. I think there's an undercurrent of racism, bigotry and prejudice.

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  2. Mercedes-Benz Darcy sounded a right dick on Nolans TV show last night. On Abortion he sat on the fence, he talked about showing compassion and quoted Pope Francis to show mercy but then said He was against abortion. He then said he would Marry people who supported abortion and it was total wishy washy nonsense. He sided with the Dup's Jim Wells so was trying to keep them all happy. He did stick the boot into the shinners accusing them of not allowing a free vote on the issue. The shinners are not happy with Mercedes-Benz Brian and I'm sure his fellow Fermanagh neighbour Arlene will be happy with him. Why does he insist on turning up to anything and everything. Apparently after the show there was a stand up row with him and shinner supporters who were angry with him. They are probably saying up in Ardoyne and Andytown come back Pat Buckley all is forgiven.

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    1. Merc driving Darcy is a rent-a-quote. He first finds out what is the prevailing liberal view on any issue and then he goes along with it. It must have been quare craic him arguing with the 'RA boys.

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    2. I've never found MBs attractive. For my money, BMWs and Audis are much more stylish. Apparently Darcy's Merc is paid for by the Sunday World. He's agitating to get back to the Graan as their isn't the same level of adulation in Crossgar and the noisy young ones are disturbing his sleep, even after the Shinners intervention.

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    3. 12.12 The Shinners wont be quick to intervene for this rent a gob so quickly again. I was in the audience last night and the row after it was better craic than the tv show itself. The laugh of all was nobody jumped to his defence and poor Fr Darcy was left clutching his neck in amazement that he was being challenged by a group. He was quickly chauffeured out the back entrance of Blackstaff lol the crowd shouting after him.

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    4. Last Friday night the youngsters let down all the tyres on the Mercedes. Brian was raging but Gary nearly wet himself laughing.

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    5. +Pat, would Darcy be paid a fee for appearing on Nolan TV? What’s with the chauffeured car?

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    6. Very often the BBC does pay a fee and send a car.

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    7. 12.28 Crossgar blamed the parents of the young ones loitering around at the weekend. In their newsletter they asked people to report the gurriers to the PSNI.

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    8. It's normal for the BBC to send a car, mainly to ensure a guest arrives on time. They also pay strange fees. For my one and only appearance on BBC NI I got a cheque for £98.37.

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    9. I hear Mercedes Brian had a quiet word in the Chief Constables ear in the green room before the tv programme. He complained about the young noisy yobs in Crossgar at the weekend hanging around his car. He was told his friend Fr Gary should be used to the fracas by now as he came from West Belfast.

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    10. 14:19: Brian D'Darcy may have had a quiet word in the Chief Constable's lughole, but I doubt if it was a brief one.πŸ˜†

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    11. He always insists on D'Arcy even though the Enniskillen branch of the family are happy with Darcy.

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    12. I feel sorry for poor Fr Brian and the distress he has endured in Crossgar. I’ve decided to raise some funds to help keep him safe during his many travels between Co. Down and Co. Fermanagh. Please send your donations to: Fr Darcy Distress Fund, C/O Mr D O’Donnell, Kincasslagh, Co. Donegal.

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  3. The laundry list of items are all ones on which Catholic thought has been visibly shifting since Vatican II.

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    1. Shifting in the direction of Hell.

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    2. Not necessarily! Respect for people who want to divorce or who want to contract same sex marriage is a Christian virtue.

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    3. 13.44 promoting sin has little to do with respect.

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    4. Catholic sexual morality is more about control than sin. It was designed to get right into the people's head and take control.

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    5. 12:15: You know the way to Hell,then?

      What's it like?

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  4. It is difficult for clergy who still don't know how to refuse a Catholic funeral to those who have died unrepentant around the killing of the innocent as a legitimate political weapon to stand up for anything at all. Personally as a priest I am always greatly relieved when a couple preparing for marriage or asking for Baptism for a child tell me all the necessary lies. Confrontation would only lead to being reported to Stephen Nolan and hung out to dry by my so called 'superiors'.

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  5. Fr Darcy was wrong to attack Sinn Fein for not having a free vote on this emotive issue. He was keen to keep the DUP happy but the only party he singled out for criticism was Sinn Fein which was unfair. He was happy to turn to local Sinn Fein elected representatives in Co. Down to help to get anti social behaviour issues sorted out. I’m afraid, Fr Brian, many Sinn Fein supporters like me are not happy with your behaviour on TV last night. Your views on abortion were conflicting, puzzling and confusing.
    Cillian, Downpatrick

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    1. That a party which supported bombings and shootings of innocent civilians also supports abortion is at least a sign of consistency.

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    2. A former (lay) teacher at St Colman's College Newry was sent to prison this week for the usual. That place should be demolished.

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    3. And many Catholics like me are not happy with Sinn FΓ©in...

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    4. 12.10 Not many Unionists are happy with the DUP, horses for courses,

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    5. @ 12.29 I don’t think the DUP are going to worry to much, with all the Catholic votes they’re now going to get and I’m not talking about votes from CINOs the (Catholic in name only) brigade...

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    6. 15.44 The DUP are only laughing up their sleeves at Catholics, sure they don’t want any about the place or ever have done. It’s like a Muslim voting for the BNP. Why would you vote for bigots who think the leader of your Religion is the anti-Christ?

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    7. They don't think that anymore since Paisley died.

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    8. 17.42 Lol, you have a lot to learn.

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    9. @16.51 If I thought by voting for the DUP I would save the life of one baby in the womb the ‘whole world’ can laugh up its sleeve at me.

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    10. 18.29 You’ve a lot to learn, have you forgotten about the ‘Chuckle Brothers’ already?

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    11. Vote DUP to save the babies. Even the Schoolteachers, Doctors and Lawyers Party has gone astray.

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    12. You sound like that nut job Bernie Smyth. She needs locked up.

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    13. 20:41: Why? What's she done?

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    14. 20.41
      Bernie Smyth does sterling work trying to protect the unborn.
      Sinn FΓ©in have been so preoccupied chasing every Tom, Dick and Harriet in order to harness votes they forgot about the faithful Catholics and they don’t sell out their SOULS!
      Rosary in one arm and the ballot box in the other....

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  6. MourneManMichael31 May 2018 at 11:53

    Could there ever be a uniform agreed singular view of what constitutes being a Catholic? Is it not as much to do with individual perceptions?
    For example, regardless of the fact that I regard myself as a convinced Humanist who has not practised any form of religion since 1970, many in N Ireland's divided religious tribes will regard my cradle Catholic upbringing, and occasional attendance at familial RC rites of passage ceremonies, as evidence that I must be a Catholic. It's like the oft told N Ireland joke: "Yes you're a Jew, but are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic Jew?"
    Is the reality that the fragmented Christian religion's many divisions may regard themselves as Catholic in terms of having core beliefs in the divinity of Christ, His role and mission of atonement, and the spiritual and moral guidance He left for humanity's guidance? In that respect are they not all Catholics whose universality centres on these core beliefs?
    Beyond that, is there a cultural/tribal aspect of religion whereby increasingly, people choose to align with a religious grouping for emotional and social reasons while having no deep founded core beliefs about God or Christ? Do they 'pick and mix' their religious practices or otherwise more in keeping with personal inclination and societal expectations?
    MMM

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    1. Your opening question couldn't be bettered, MMM, for its accuracy in acknowledging that Catholicism is not (and never could be) a doctrinal monolith.

      Expecting Catholics to believe every doctrinal statement in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (as many priest-parasites unbelievably do) is as much a will-o'-the-wisp as a celebrity art critic's insisting that his taste in art is the only orthodoxy, and that everyone else must share it.

      Personally, I never now describe myself as a 'Roman Catholic', only as 'Catholic'. However, I remain within the RC fold precisely because of the opening (rhetorical?) question in your post: there is no 'uniform agreed singular view of what constitutes being a Catholic'.

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    2. Absolutely fantastic points, I could not agree more.

      For what it's worth I consider myself an Anglican who occasionally attends catholic Mass and rarely attends Anglican service (despite being baptised in a catholic church and never having joined the Anglican community). Alas my beliefs are such and my God understands my confused ways.

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  7. There’s a lot of Roman Catholicism that arguably has been made up over the years for various reasons: without any scriptural basis. Contraception for example, being a point at hand.

    Perhaps we should move toward ending labels in all forms of Christianity? Preferring, like the early Church, to simply be called Christians?

    The term has been hijacked by many evangelicals but can maybe be reclaimed.

    It’s not an easy option though. There’s lots of stuff in Biblical Christianity that is harder to tolerate and abide than avoiding Contraception and pre marital sex.

    Forgiving those who have wronged you, for example, is a central tenant of basic Christianity. One that often takes you directly into a conflict between the ethereal and the carnal.

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    1. You are wrong Rusty. Genesis 38:4 is the biblical basis for rejecting contraception. Onan spilled his seed on the ground and God struck him dead on account of it.

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    2. There's no doubt that Catholic identity is now very pluralistic and there are many good ways of being Catholic. I don't see why people want to clutch so desperately at the simple certitudes of the penny catechism.

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    3. @13:46 Leviticus says we should kill sorcerers and those engaged in adultery. Literal interpretations of commands given to a people walking in the desert thousands of years ago are always dangerous.

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    4. So why then are going on about “Scriptural basis”, Rusty Madra? Sure chuck out the whole shebang.

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    5. @15:43 .... or maybe read the thing in context and get the intended meaning?

      There seems to be a binary system whereby people are unable to process any divergence of doctrine that is not their own.

      If some believe contraception is refered to in Genesis I respect their belief but don’t agree myself.

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    6. 13:46: The story of Onan (and I stress the word 'story') is not historical narrative, but Hebrew folklore, laden with ITS marital and primogeniture customs and protocols. To take these as instruction for 21st-century teaching on contraception is preposterous beyond words.

      God doesn't slay anyone for disobedience to his will (as he reportedly did Onan for 'spilling his semen'), otherwise the world would have ended just as it began, in the mythological Garden of Eden.

      Learn to think as you read, especially with Scripture.πŸ˜†

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    7. @13.46
      Maybe that was just a condemnation of masterbation?

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    8. There are plenty more literal instructions in there 13.46. I hope you don't eat pork, wash your hand appropriately and sacrafice lambs in the sacred manner! Not to mention protecting virginity and not working on the sabboth.

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    9. No, 22:45, it wasn't. Nor should it be taken either as a condemnation of birth control.

      It was, rather, just one of those many apocryphal Hebrew texts in which God loses the bap with someone who rebelled against custom and protocol by refusing to sire kids by his dead older brother's wife.

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  8. I agree with the church teachings. They are not always easy to live but I must at least aim to live them. And, I cannot sign a condemnation of even one of them. The 'YES to Abortion vote' is a tragedy for our country. The pope and the bishops clearly called for a 'NO' vote, as did all the saints and martyrs of the centuries who would have honoured the teaching of the church. For me, the people voted against the church and in a particular way against Jesus. This was an anti God vote. If you don't get what abortion is, you don't know Jesus or his Spirit (or you do know but you hate them). We can't continue to cover this up. The writing is now graphically on the wall.

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    1. So you believe in killing people, because the Roman Catholic Church officially does.

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    2. The club bore with his death penalty mono-obsession.

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    3. lots of good Catholics voted yes, and they are people who have reflected more and discussed more honestly than the knee-jerk penny catechism clutchers.

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    4. 13:44: you're ducking the issue, aren't you? Why not address my point? And if you're clever enough to out-argue the great one (aka MAGNA), then I'll stop 'obsessing'.πŸ˜†

      C'mon, y' boy ye! Put yer mits up.πŸ˜†πŸ˜†

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    5. 14.01 it's better to do the right thing than have endless reflection and discussion.

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    6. Those who voted yes can in no way be described as good Catholics.

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    7. 13:44: What's up?

      Scared?😯

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    8. Don’t feed the Magna troll, well done everyone. He’s starting to get rattled now because he can’t get responses. You are all having the desired affect.

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    9. 22:47: 'rattled'? Me?

      You wish. Ha ha ha πŸ˜…

      πŸ˜†

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  9. The Pope was silent. The old fraud has moved the Corpus Christi procession out of central Rome to Ostia because of plunging attendances during this pontificate.

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    1. Corpus Christi procession cancelled in Cookstown this year, first time ever. The new PP wants minimum of fuss and minimum of effort in all things. What has the Archbishop of Armagh got to say? Oh sorry, I forgot, he’s saying nothing as he’s still on the run from Stephen Nolan. Get ready for a camera crew on Sunday Your Grace in Magherafelt.

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  10. We can all say what we want we can slam bam Catholic church all we want but hi nobody is perfect l want to know wind clock back 2000 years ago when Jesus walked on this earth did abortion exist did gay men and women exist there was jesus christ but how do we know who was perfect its a matter of choice for catholics today to decide if they want to continue as a catholic however l dont think any priest has righg to refuse marriage to any couple because of their beliefs in my eyes fr damien quigley is committing a sin by not carrying out his ministry duties l also want to say priests need to watch what they say or do none of them are perfect there is not one priest in whole of ireland who can put up their hand and say l have never sinned thats big lie. No priest in catholic church is pure anymore. One thing for sure catholjc church is going down big time in ireland l advise priests just to do their job say no more as envelope collection will go down and then churches and chapels will be sold.

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    1. 12.22 - Tell us along with Pat when you'll be having the bonfires of celebration for the death and burial of the Church? Would love to know. And how I'd wish for things to be as simplistic as you describe - rather awkwardly - and that solutions were as easy as saying your prayers! (Which I believe to be important). But the definition as Pat gives is a sweeping judgment on all Catholics. Perhaps he should remember Pope Francis's words - " Who am I to judge...". I, in my ministry take every person as I find them - loveable, good, genuine in their desires and intentions. Indeed - "Who am I or any priest - including Pat - to judge....".

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    2. The illiterate Hiberno-Scot is back at 12:22.

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    3. Dunce Scotus!

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  11. Mavis has the look of KOB about him.

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    1. Look at the state of her. LOL.

      https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nSkr6OAZmuE/T3KANmuZQtI/AAAAAAAAFKc/SCyCaZpvoAk/s1600/Bishop+Mark+Davies.png

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    2. Magna Carta's Mum31 May 2018 at 15:01

      If anyone has the bishop's number I will ask to borrow those vestments for my first High Mass as a bishop, as that is very much the effect I'm going for. Of course the sedilia makes things a bit crowded in our front room.
      I did hint to Magna that with his earnings in his responsible job he could buy me a cloth of gold High Mass set but he just called me a parasite and a Pharisee and stamped out to the pub.

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    3. Mommie dearest, must you wash our dirty linen in public? And on this blog, too! You know what they're like here: relentless gossips.

      Honestly, dearest: it's a care home for you if your behaviour doesn't soon show marked improvement.

      I'm orf t' you-know-where.πŸ˜†

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    4. He's saving up for a new screen for his iPad. It cracked after a particularly pointed retort to a priest-parisite. He's hand-knitting your maniple and is looking forward to walking you up the aisle at your episcopal consecration as he hopes you will undo the little local difficulty Maynooth had with him. Once priested his feelings will soothe.

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    5. You'd better get a move on Mrs Carta. The Prefect of the CDF announced today that people with vags are absolutely unable to be a priest.

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    6. Magna Carta's Mum31 May 2018 at 17:24

      I know, darling, but it's so difficult to get a message to you now you've broken your iPad and been barred from so many pubs.
      It paid off, in fact. A blog reader gave me a number, but inexplicably the phone was slammed down when I asked for Mavis. So I will have to make do with your needlework, darling.
      And don't forget, darling, boys who want a role in Mommie's Curia don't put Mommie into care!

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    7. Will you make him your Vicar General or coadjutor bishop? What a weighty decision.

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    8. Magna Carta's Mum31 May 2018 at 17:59

      To 17:03
      I can assure you the CDF will have no impact on my episcopal status - I am fortunate to have found a fully independent bishop who can demonstrate succession back to Vilatte. And let me tell you, he has shown no interest in *my* 'vilatte' at all!

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    9. Get the Dutch Touch to be on the safe side. All our sanity depends on Magna in swift succession receiving Holy Orders of deacon, priest and bishop. Boring old Maynooth just gave him Reader.

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    10. Magna Carta's Mum31 May 2018 at 18:55

      And sad to say he's made poor use of it since. In fact the books by his bed are virtually only pictures and no words at all...

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    11. That mitre is a helluva height, +Pat.

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    12. The old rule was that the mitre was 1/6th of the bishop's height.

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  12. Interesting list at the top of the blog. It says allot about sex & behavior and obligatory observance. Where is God in all of this

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  13. Why do you keep on saying "allot"? Is it some Anglican affectation?

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    1. Actually it's a spelling used in the Mozarabic rite.

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    2. Ironically after my last comment the picture of street signs on Captcha was to St Sulpice.
      Sean is one of the more intelligent commenters here and it reflects very badly on people that they feel they can continually be rude about his Anglicanism.

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    3. 13.41 Allot allot allot alive o.14.55. The contributor appears to have a problem. I believe it's more about me and my choice rather than the Anglican Church as such. I believe the contributor should concentrate on sorting their owm issues. As for me I believe Pat should block this sh*te It's boring discriminating and offensive. It's being going on too long and points to deeper unresolved issues

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    4. There is a rarely-mentioned part of the Anglican patrimony which is a cocktail called a Bourne Street. The recipe varies but the version I knew was equal parts of gin and sherry with just a dash of bitters.

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    5. 18.52 slainte cheers salute ENJOY

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  14. Sean will give his verdict after Evensong.

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    1. Miss Page you mean.

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  15. A manmade religion deserves to be cherrypicked so it is not hypocrisy. Somebody mentioned confession. Confessionals would be acceptable if

    -there was no pressure
    -the priest had a recognised counselling qualification
    -the main concern is the person's self-compassion and self-development and not God or sins or whatever

    The Church tells people who have serious sins that if they do not confess they will go to Hell forever if they do not repent. That is bullying. It is extremely damaging to children. The Church needs to be stopped from demanding that children be sent to a priest to confess their sins. A ten year old telling an old man about masturbation? How is that acceptable? It is not right for him to be told it is self-abuse never mind a sin that deserves eternal separation from God. I blame parents though. It is cruel if there is no forgiving God.

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    1. 16:26: 10-year-olds 'doing an Onan'? Seriously?

      I'm going to lodge a complaint in Rome. I was ...before I could... You know...

      All those years of denied pleasure. (SighπŸ˜”)

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    2. 16.26 1. Proper guilt brings its own pressure
      2. A priest doesn't need a counselling qualification
      3. The main concern should be God and the penitents standing before him.

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    3. 16.26 Enlightening someone's conscience is an act of mercy. Calling it bullying is off the wall thinking.

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    4. Magna Carta's Mum31 May 2018 at 18:59

      You see, Magna darling, I told you you were a late developer!

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    5. 18:11: What did Pope Francis say about personal conscience and the Roman Catholic Church? That it existed not to replace such conscience, but to form it. (Can anyone spot the contradiction in terms here?)

      Ahh! That dear old, poor old Latino.☺ Bless his papal socks.πŸ˜†

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  16. It's not very ecumenical to describe Anglicanism as a manmade religion, 16:26. I'd call it kingmade TBH.

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  17. NEWS FLASH GATES IS BACK IN TOWN HE HAS BEEN SEEN GOD HELP US ALL THE DEVIL IS BACK

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    1. 18.13: When will you organise the lynch mob? You idiot. God and make a more worthwhile contribution to your community rather than incite a witch hunt of hatred.

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    2. Yes, the plans for the peaceful protest inside the Church during Confirmation on Sunday in Magherafelt are now well advanced. There will be journalists present so the Archbishop will have to address the concerns that he has so far ignored.

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    3. Strange goings on in a Parish not long featured on here.

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    4. I wouldn’t mind having a ringside seat to see how Amy deals with this one? Pity it wasn’t televised.

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    5. Will it be a Chile type protest? I wonder.

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    6. It will be a peaceful protest and the PSNI have been notified about it in advance. We want answers from Eamon Martin on the day, he has ignored us long enough and hasn’t responded to any emails and phone calls. It’s now time for face to face questions maybe during the sermon.

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    7. 22.16 Magherafelt Parish does have a live webcam, I just checked. It’s on the MCN church network or via the parish webpage. I will be glued on Sunday at 3pm with my chilled bottle of Chenin Blanc and a tub of Morelli

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  18. I don't understand why God so built-in so stongly the urge to reproduce in the young yet made it a sin in most circumstances. I'm older now so it's a lot easier but when in my 20s if I didn't have a w by 12 noon the day was unbearable.

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    1. It's like the way he designed a penis with a foreskin yet couldn't wait to tell men to cut it off!

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    2. 18:31: Excellent point.

      If God gave this urge at all, he gave it to the wrong age group: to the least experienced, the least self-disciplined, and the least reasonable of all.

      Question is: Why?

      Paul-the-self-styled-apostle believed that God's foolishness is wiser than the greatest wisdom of human beings.

      Aye, right,πŸ˜•

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  19. I requested the sacrament of the sick last night from my PP.

    I was refused because he couldn't administor the sacrament due to the fact I hadn't been to confession nor attending Mass on a regular basis.

    Therefore I had two answers to his stance - (1) His predecessor had previously administered it to me as did his Diocesan colleague.

    - (2) I made it evidently clear that I attend Mass just not in this particular Parish.

    It's a sad reflection of whilst in need of listening ears, compassionate help and spiritual nourishment - I endured a man yawning, taking phone calls and giving sarcastic chat.

    I said look - if that's your stance that's fine but will you be preaching about confession and Mass going if you're burying me this Saturday!

    Oh hold on I will give you the sacrament of the sick now - I says your quite fine, I've had enough at this stage and if I had of known now what I should have known then I wouldn't have been here.

    Those are the ordained, entrusted men of compassion to the Royal Priesthood?

    I think it could be some time again before a darken the door of a certain Parochial House.

    Certainly not under this current tenure, the good men are taken from this Parish hence leaving it a dumping ground for flawed clergy or administrators as they now are referred to (Men that aren't capable of PP duties) and the PP based in another town overseeing it and calling the shots from afar in another.


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  20. MourneManMichael1 June 2018 at 08:26

    Magna: you say; "If God gave this urge at all...."
    You'll know from my previous comments what my perspective and beliefs are. So I take your comment as rhetorical, and am wondering whether you doubt that a deity placed one of humankinds' most compelling urges, procreation, on us, or whether you have doubts about either the nature or existence of a deity, or both?
    MMM

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    1. Good points, MMM.

      How to answer, though.

      I think that natural evolution should have a higher place in our understanding of human behaviour.

      There is sometimes a comedic simplicity about Christianity and its attempts to rationalise human conduct vis a vis a creator deity. (The very public fuore by Anglican bishops over Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection is but one in a very long line of such examples, both before and after.)

      The commentor's point at 18:31 was superb, and it has plunged me into deep thought. Why would a loving God give such strong, sexual urges to young people (apparently as young as 10 years of age in some cases, amazingly to me)... and then make acting upon them sinful in many (if not most) instances? Bizzare, to say the least. (Or perhaps it's just his sexually repressed, or sexually guilt-ridden, priest-parasites who would have the rest of us think this way.)

      Christianity, and the sciences (physical and social), need to collaborate more closely. But historically what has impeded this necessary partnership is Christianity's (especially Roman Catholicism's) insufferable arrogance and self-satisfaction: one can taste its unpleasantness even today in such intellectually vapid phrases from Pope Francis as 'gender ideology' and 'gender colonisation' when he speaks on the topic of transgenderism.

      As for that conditional clause in a previous post, maybe, deep down, I didn't mean it rhetorically after all.

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  21. MournemanMichael1 June 2018 at 18:13

    Thanks Magna. A thoughtful reply. You're leaving a door open there, .....or a window of..?
    MMM

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