Monday, 18 June 2018

AUSTRALIAN MP CALLS FOR NO DIPLOMATIC RELATIONSHIP WITH VATICAN.




 DAVID SHOEBRIDGE MP IS CORRECT AND COURAGEOUS BY SAYING THAT AUSTRALIA SEVER ALL DUPLOMATIC RELATIINS WITH THE VATICAN.

The Vatican has only been a "state" since 1929 - 89 years after receiving that gift plus millions from the dictator Musselini in return for the RC Church supporting him.

It is absolutely crazy for any religion, even a big one, to have the status of a state in these modern times.

Furthermore through its many activities, including abuse, the Vatican is a ROGUE STATE!

That's why they gave Mugabe of Zimbabwe a seat of honour at the Pole' s funeral.

I was very pleased when Enda Kenny cancelled Ireland's diplomatic relations with the RCs and annoyed when it was restored.

For its role in abuse in the world the Vatican should be treated as a pariah.

I hope that Australia does send their Nuncio packing.

And I hope that many other countries follow their example.




49 comments:

  1. Do you ever tire of yourself, Pat? Same old horse manure day after day after day.

    Why don’t you take a nice long sabbatical? You’re getting on a bit now. Who knows how much of life any of us have left?

    No good can come of all this for you - ultimately & eternally - or for some of the other crazy loons who roost here with you.

    It’s a merry go round of constant self-indulgent hatred. Look to your soul while you still have time.

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    1. Agars Mac Rimes18 June 2018 at 03:37

      I quite agree. same old same old. its a blog for the hatred of Roman Catholics. lets call it what it is.

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    2. @1.09am. Why do you read Pat,s blog? Maybe if you have nothing better to do you could go and dig some manure yourself and roost in it. Looks though you are a crazy loon when you commented earlier.

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    3. I agree that this blog is negative, exhausting, unwholesome, in the main. Why not some CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions on how the Gospel can be lived in Ireland?

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    4. Hurrah! The institutional Roman Catholic Church is on the run, her skirts hitched high.

      And her retreating, flabby rear is an unimpressive sight.

      It is time this evil bitch got her comeuppance.

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    5. You are seeing a rear view of yourself there, Carta, you vicious old harpie.

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    6. 10.31 - The evil subhuman bastardo has escaped from his cave. Beware, he's very foul smelling, a putrid piece of nothingness.

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  2. Your comments please on the new ordination in Belfast? What's your thoughts on this Pat and those of your faithful contributory members?

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    1. Saw it in the bbc news and I know people who know him. He’s a good lad and he will do good. God bless him.

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    2. I am slightly confused as the BBC report says: “He (Fr Tony McAleese) is the first priest originally from Belfast's St Vincent de Paul parish to be ordained there in 50 years.”

      Does this mean he is the first priest to be ordained in St Vincent de Paul parish for fifty years, or in Belfast for fifty years?

      Also, more importantly, does his ordination have the full approval of +Pat? I wonder.

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    3. First Ligoniel in 50.

      He is from Maynooth.

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    4. Oh, I see, an irregular then.

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    5. Hi Brendan

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    6. Who’s Brendan?

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  3. I cannot even imagine why ANY self-respecting democratic country would even consider diplomatic relations with such a harlot statelet.

    How on Earth could a statelet that has traditionally protected priest-child molesters/rapists/sodomites be trusted.

    Dirty whore statelet!😲

    Just sayin', like.😆

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  4. Typical Church bashing from Pat. Predictable, tiresome soundbytes. All about Pat's supposed, radical, creative renewal! If only! Vengance and self promotion form the basis of his empire - but we are still waiting for the fruits of your "renewal" - nothing has yet emerged of any significance. If you stopped preaching hatred God might work wonders through you. Thank God my parish is reasonably good and vibrant. It would not produce appropriate fruits if I were to preach such boring, negative, self glorifying, vitriol like Pat's "reflections". Take comfort Pat, calm down with the promise of Jesus - "I am with you always, yes, to the end of time". Thank you Jesus for the hope you give us.

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    1. @ 9.44
      I would have to say that many many people agree with you .

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  5. Magna Carta's Mum18 June 2018 at 06:47

    Magna darling, if the nuncio visits, make it clear he's not welcome, won't you?
    I think we're at home to pretty much everyone else.

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    1. Mommie dearest, whatever else I may say about you, you're always at home. To literally anyone.

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  6. What about the Jewish people and Israel. Also the Muslim States. Manure serves a purpose. It helps plants to grow or the one who makes it may have a problem with their bowels. I do agree that arguments on here sometimes go down silly sidestreets which have nothing to do with the main issue

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  7. When something is really important then it's Pat's daty as a preacher to be say it repeatedly. "Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching." (Paul's second letter to Timothy) The Vatican's Nationhood status is one of the many factors that's destroying the RC church. For just one example - who is in charge of the Irish Church nowadays? Is it still the Bishops, as used to be the case? Or is it Frankie's messenger-boy, the Papal Nuncio? If you could follow the money then very likely it's the Nuncio. But there are a great many other issues as well. You could write a book about it. But at the same time some of those cardinals (Vincent Nichols, for example) are also diocesan bishops with considerable legal responsibilities in respect of government-funded schools etc.

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  8. The current Vatican City State might date from 1929 only, but the Holy See has been sovereign for a LONG time and had a lot more territory than it currently has. Also, Enda Kenny did not break off diplomatic relations with the Vatican. He closed the embassy, but maintained full diplomatic relations and appointed an ambassador, albeit a non-resident one.

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    1. Owning a state and huge assets is in contradiction with Jesus teachings!

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    2. @09:20 Do the two ambassadors (Irish and Irish Papal) now share one embassy (the beautiful former embassy of the Irish papal ambassador)?

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    3. But what of Saudi Arabie and Tibet... such countries have a religious base. I'd be more concerned with the dioceses in Ireland being bith charities and limited companies...

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  9. MourneManMichael18 June 2018 at 10:02

    I entirely agree with the rationale of Mr Shoebridge's well constructed and entirely proper argument.
    Opinions may differ on the right and wrongs of any religious organisation having its own nation state status. For may own part, I think it entirely ridiculous and, in the Vatican's case, a historical aberration from less enlightened times.
    But the thrust of Mr Shoebridge's motion is entirely proper. Why should the Vatican be allowed to use diplomatic immunity to refuse to divulge information about child abuse by the clergy to the Australian Royal Commission? In essence the "Holy See's" response was: 'The Vatican considers demands for a nation state to release this information unreasonable.'
    The figures Mr Shoebridge referred to surely calls into question the 'reasonableness' of the RC organisation: 4000+ child abuse cases, 66% were at RC institutions involving 10/11 year old children and 572 priests.
    When I read some of the comments accusing +Pat of RC 'church bashing', I am obliged to wonder at the motivation and thinking capacities behind them.
    And the words of Jeremiah 5:21 come to mind.
    MMM

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    1. JEREMIAH 5:21

      "Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear".

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    2. I have to agree with MMM. This is more to do with the actions of the Vatican city State than the Religious basis. The religious basis is an easy target but the context is quite different so the context ought not be overshadowed.

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    3. 10.02: MMM : You're wondering about the motivation as to why priests or other commentators criticise Pat for his RC bashing! Precisely because it is 'bashing - a full onslaught, sometimes legitimate but mostly prejudiced, biased, vengance filled and an encouragement to harrass, intimidate and ridicule others through social media. If he (Pat) is true to the Christ whose memory he wants to keep SACRED, then he'll have to learn the qualities of moral and spiritual integrity, truth, mercy, kindness, justice with mercy and truth, not his throwaway nuanced soundbytes, respect, tolerance ...All he need do is read the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and he'll discover how Christ would want him to live. I rely on my values from Christ.

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    4. MournemanMichael18 June 2018 at 12:26

      While I agree +Pat's choice of words and criticism can sometimes be OTT nevertheless his opposition to much of the RC church's practices as an organisation and the behaviour of many of its clerics is entirely justified. In that respect his role is valuable.
      Sometimes it is necessary to 'fight fire with fire' when a rational, reasonable and respectful approach is constantly ignored.
      Was it the Christ of your values who threw the moneychangers out of the temple? I wonder would he have had more success reasoning with them?
      No doubt you practise the laudable virtues you quote. But maybe other approaches have value: a case of "horses for courses."
      MMM

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    5. A persuasive post, MMM @ 12:26. And with Jesus' example for confirmation, who could reasonably disagree?

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  10. http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2018/06/18/4157586--pope-appoints-canon-thomas-deenihan-as-new-bishop-of-meath/

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    1. Delighted to see the back of him from Cork. Cork's gain is Meath's loss.

      To all Meath clergy, prepare yourself for cynisism on a level you have never seen before.

      To the Diocesian Office staff; make sure all staff can make decent tea. He will literally ask you if you are incompetent or stupid if you make him a bad cup of tea.

      Please also be prepared to be embarrassed if you dine out with him. How he speaks to waiting staff is appalling. What is worse is how he speaks about people behind their backs, he is classist, snobbish and has forgotten his own roots in Blackpool.

      The best thing he has ever done is agreed to leave Cork. Thanks for that Tommmy. I'm looking forward to a new Diocesian secretary and so glad that there us little chance of you becoming bishop of Cork and Ross. There will be weeks of celebrating this.

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    2. Sounds like a real joy.

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    3. He will have to pull his horns in now that he is a bishop. He won’t get away with behaviour like that. Timbo must be due a call from Okolo soon.

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    4. Timbo might go to cork + ross. Farrell must be gutted to have missed his beloved Meath Mitre

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  11. Now we have a new bishop in Meath any ideas who is in the running for Coddle’s episcopal see of Dublin when he retires ?

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    1. The front runners are Paul Tighe (Vatican); Leahy (Limerick).

      It could be a complete stranger.

      Hopefully the next man in Dublin will have a better relationship with the priests there.

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    2. William Crean is heading for Dublin in July.

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    3. William won’t be coming to Dublin. You just have to look at his handling of things in Cloyne.

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    4. I’d say Paul is in the running too. He’s VG now but slightly “young” maybe.

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    5. Is Paul Tigh camp like Amy +Pat or is he all man hetro like Coddle ?

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    6. One thing is sure, it wont be Charlie Brown!! ��

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    7. @14:56

      Fr Shirley comes to mind.

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  12. Coddle isn’t going until 2020. Not July 2019.

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  13. Could be Timotheo Bartellto

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  14. In Tom Deenihan we have yet another desk priest. His statement today was pure complacency. Everything is fantastic, a bit of folksy GAA stuff, no mention of the referendum and absolutely no mention of God.

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  15. Not entirely correct - the Papal States, the forerunner of The Vatican existed for centuries before the 1929 Concordat.

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    1. Italian aggression against the Papal States culminated in the fall of Rome on 22nd September 1870. One of the 1929 documents was the peace treaty resolving the legacy issues.

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