Friday 13 July 2018


Catholic Church like a plane with metal fatigue that needs to fixed, says Mary McAleese

The Tablet




'The Church needs to be looked at very intently to identify what parts need to be replaced'
The Catholic Church is like a plane with metal fatigue that needs to be grounded and fixed if it is to continue delivering its passengers safely, according to one of its most indefatigable critics, the former Irish president Mary McAleese. 
“It’s been flying long hours and delivering people safely and doing a good job, but now there are a million little cracks that have not been observed and have not been tackled or addressed, and it wouldn’t take an awful lot to throw a spanner in the works and for it to fall out of the sky,” she warned. “The Church needs to be looked at very intently to identify what parts need to be replaced.”
The overriding problem with the Church, said McAleese during a visit to London, was that it operated as an empire, in an age when that model of governance was long since outdated. At the centre was a small all-male cohort who acted as “legislators and judges and juries” as well as being “purveyors of doctrine”. The main problem was a structure in which the men at the top spoke down to the people at the bottom - but that way of communicating was becoming increasingly problematic for Catholic Church leaders because the people at the bottom had found their voices and were speaking up, and cardinals and bishops were not able to control that - as in the recent abortion referendum in her own country, Ireland.
McAleese, who was Ireland’s president from 1997-2011 and who has since studied canon law in Rome, spoke about the opportunity for reform that seemed to dawn at Vatican II in the early 1960s. “The bishops gathered had some really good ideas and generated new thinking, but they left no structure to carry through the desire of the council and all 2000 bishops disappeared back and the gravitational pull of the old way of doing things continued,” she said.
Pope Francis himself was “puzzling...he says one thing one day and a contrary thing another day”. But what she liked about him was that he encouraged debate within the church, he wasn’t afraid of divergence. “He’s an argumentative Pope and he likes you to argue back” - and that made him very different from either of his immediate predecessors, Benedict XVI or John Paul II. 
On women, though, she said Francis’s track record was “poor”; he had promoted a handful of women so there was slightly more visibility, but given them no more voice. Women’s ordination had ceased to be the relevant question, she said, although the theology on why that wasn’t possible was “thin”. The main issue, she said, was how the Church could hope to represent women and their views when they were effectively disenfranchised. “Tell me how do you propose to allow the 600 million women who are members of the Church to make a significant contribution to doctrine, to the interpretation of doctrine, to dogma, to Church teaching, given that they can’t do it the conventional way,” she said. The report of the commission looking into women deacons had not materialised; McAleese said she had heard it had been produced but had been sent back for further work - but people had a right to know what was happening with it. “Why are we not told, why are we not up to date, why are we kept on hold?” she said.
McAleese said she was saddened by the fact that the Church often seemed to be a champion of change in the early stages of a process, only to go silent or row back further down the line.  “The Church was a champion of the human rights of children and it seems to me that what’s happened is that somehow over the last 25 years there has been a real failure to honour the promises to the rights of the child and to follow through on the Universal Declaration of Human Rights,” she said.

But despite all this, and the scandals that have been at the forefront of the Catholic Church’s recent history in her own country, McAleese said she remained committed to the Church, which had huge global influence. In the future, she hoped it would galvanise itself to be an agent of real change, change that would improve the lives of people like young women and gay people. “The Catholic Church can become an enormous power, a surging power, a tsunami of good in the world and would have across five continents a fantastic influence that could open up new feelings of grace,” she said. What it needed first, though, was a period of self-reflection and self-criticism, qualities it had not prioritised for a long time.




PAT SAYS:

I am not a fan of Mary McAleese. I think she's a more intelligent version of Brian Darcy - wanting to be the focus of attention etc.

But I have to admit - and I do so non-grudgingly - that many if her criticisms of the RC Church are very valid and well put over.

In this article and YouTube clip she criticises:

1. The hierarchal and clerical church.

2. The failure of the Church to give proper recognition to women.

3. The contradictions of Pope Francis.

4. The fact that the RC Church is an outraged empire.

5. The failure of the bishops to implement Vatican 11.


All her points are very valid.

It is also good that a high profile Catholic, who is faithful to practising her faith, is also a strong critic.

I may not like her personality, but I must acknowledge her talents and abilities.

She is also the mother of a gay son and she played a role in convincing the Irish people to vote for same sex marriage.

To me she is much more credible than the guys and dolls that hang around places like The Iona Institute.

Mary McAleese is in the tent peeing in the tent.

Others of us are outside the tent peeing into the tent.

Hopefully both of us will play a role in making those in charge of the tent wake up and smell the urine :-)

104 comments:

  1. Believe what you like Pat. Your ignorant dismissive of the Iona Institute comes as no surprise. You despise anything and anyone Catholic. Mary Mc is arrogant and insulting but doesn't realise it. However, she has much valid criticisms and some worthwhile analysis to offer. Sadly, I think she is losing her impact because of the repetitive, blunt language she uses. She will push herself to the margins. Her voice was once appreciated but people are tiring of her. I would put her way ahead of Brian Darcy. You won't bring about renewal or reform by insulting others as she's inclined to do.

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    1. How has she insulted? What did she say that you would consider insulting?

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    2. As predictable as ever, MC is second out of the trap to comment.

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    3. And still waiting for an answer to my post, 09:43.

      What insulting remarks did McAleese make?

      Remember that taking offence at her comments does not necessarily make those words insulting.

      So, come on. Provide the evidence, 00:05, for your criticism.

      Either put up, or shut up.πŸ˜†

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  2. Just make the auld hag the Pope and be done with it.

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  3. Mary McA is and was always out for herself. A northern woman who became President and did absolutely nothing for the Catholic Northern People. Absolutely nothing !! When she finished her very well paid job she decided to cut her hair very very short Stay in Thr Irish College Rome and then criticise the Church ! The only reason she stood for gay marriage was cause her son was gay. Don't be fooled she would never have stood up and said what she said if he was not gay. She is two faced and not to be trusted. I'd say jog on Mary !

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    1. Is the Church beyond criticism, 00:36? Because last time I looked, it was buggering and raping kids...and then covering it all up under a carpet of Pharasaical indifference.

      Would Jesus be critical of this?

      Mary McAleese is entitled to her opinions, whether you like them or not.

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    2. No indeed it is not beyond criticism, however I fell auld Mary is just seeking notice. She enjoyed all the attention while she had the top job and now craves for the spotlight. I wouldn't mind but she never said too much about the Church when she was in office. She was happy to be seen with Pope, Bishops etc then. I would have preferred her to take a stand for the homeless and make the government address this issue. There's plenty of change albeit slow very slow happening in the Church. The haters of the Church want us all to believe that change will never happen. I do believe it will. I'm praying that priests will be allowed to Marry and also that men can be gay or straight and become a priest. I'm not so sure on women priests though. I'm a woman and I'm happy enough with male priests. Jesus was male and the 1st priest ! In my parish the women are very prominent helping out etc. But the biggest complainers are women. Chapel too cold, chapel too warm, not enough bulletins, too many bulletins, mass too long, mass not long enough. The men never complain always the women.

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    3. 10:39 Your criticism is unreasonable. As President of Ireland, Mary McAleese was constitutionally limited in what she could do and say; she was meant to display political neutrality.

      Nor was she free to criticise ANY religious institution.

      You said that you are a woman. Is it true that women, much more than men, are quick to jealousy and spite at other women's achievements?

      Your il-informed, irrational, and petty post suggests it.

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  4. Don't like her, never liked her.

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  5. Mary McAnnoyance

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  6. Poor Mary Mc has lost the plot. She's gone round the bend. Her nutty pronouncements clearly demonstrate how unhinged she has become. She is in need of our prayers. Your comparison with Darcy is a good one, they are both publicity seeking headcases.

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  7. I am nauseated by the patronizing tone adopted by clerics in speaking of Professor and ex-President Mary McAleese, one of the most important voices in Ireland and in the Catholic Church, who is deeply versed in several disciplines and who represented her nation so graciously on so many occasions. She hss done much more for church reform, for gay rights, and for women than anyone on this website. It's even ridiculous to point out these obvious facts. She is blunt on occasion, but on each occasion if you read the total text of what she says it is quite "nuanced."

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  8. Pat, have you heard about Fr Larkin of Bird Ave, Clonskeagh. If not, the synopsis is that on the Sunday after the referendum, Fr Larkin spoke firmly but respectfully & told his congregation that if they had voted yes, they needed to be sorry for it & confess it before being in the state of grace required before presenting themselves for Communion. Someone complained. Fr Larkin is being removed from parish duties & moved to Rathfarnham where he will be carrying out duties for the Loreto nuns. His last Mass in Bird Ave was celebrated yesterday.

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    1. Father Larkin should report the unfit so called Bishop to Rome Now.

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    2. Larkin overstepped a mark.

      He had no business telling his congregation what state their souls were in.

      Monumental clerical arrogance.

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    3. Paul AKA Magna. Farther Larkin did not over step the mark he was applying the True Church teachings.
      Thankfully at the seminaries we got rid of the Dross and hopefully now have Good priests coming through.

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    4. Foolish Lad, it is not a Church teaching that a priest can judge the state of anyone's soul, let alone a congregation's.

      I know that most of the so-called 'orthodox' carpers here have a poor grounding in Sacred Scripture, but I'm hopeful that even you, biblically challenged as you undoubtedly are, can recall, from distant catechetical memory, what Jesus said to his listeners: 'Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.' (Luke 6: 3-7)

      The problem with many Roman Catholic priests is that they, traditionally, have tried to rewrite Scripture and put themselves in Jesus' place.

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    5. MC, you wrote, "The problem with many Roman Catholic priests is that they, traditionally, have tried to rewrite Scripture and put themselves in Jesus' place.

      That, and your comments about VaticanII are spot on.

      When I was a Catholic I used to feel really angry at times at all the sanctimonious garbage some priests and laypeople, who plainly didn't believe in God themselves, used to expect the rest of us to believe.

      From what I saw of it here in London the Padre Pio and the 'The Union of the two Hearts' gangs were the worse.

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  9. MourneManMichael14 July 2018 at 08:35

    She likens the RC church to a decrepit plane. Having read recently that aero engineers are considering designing a windowless plane. With less drag, the replacement electronic simulated windows will be more efficient, meanwhile shielding travellers from seeing the actual reality outside. I see an anology here. Perhaps the RC church could be likened to a windowless ship ploughing the oceans where the captain and crew, and many of the travellers, are cocooned in a similar protective environment, shielded from outside reality. Not the good ship Enterprise: more likely the Titanic. MMM

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    1. That is traditionally a very good analogy for the Catholic Church, MMM.

      A Jesuit wrote about one of his lecturers in seminary. The lecturer compared the command structure there to the captain of a ship and the stokers in the boiler room. The Jesuit superior was the captain, and everyone else the stokers. As only the captain could determine the direction in which the ship was sailing, it was up to the stokers to obey his every command to avoid the ship's hitting hidden rocks.

      This analogy has traditionally been the model of Church, with the pope and Magisterium at the top of the pile, and the rest of us (well, you can guess it) mere servants expected to hang upon their every word.

      It was presumptious arrogance institutionalised. And one of its greatest proponents wss Pope JPII.

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    2. A plane as leaden as Mournful's analogy would never take off, lol

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    3. 10.40 We definitely get the mushroom treatment..kept in the dark and fed on rubbish.

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  10. All hat and no cattle!

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  11. A great talker who did nothing!

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  12. Mary MCAleese did little for Northern Ireland. She went to meet the Pope in Rome dressed like a tramp. No moral respect there. Why doesn't she go to England and get a job with the Queen.

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  13. Why wouldn’t Pat identify with McAleese, she is an attention seeker, irrelevant non entity. A person nobody takes seriously anymore and a crackpot with no relevance whatsoever. Sure she courted the bishops when she was in Office and licked up to them the auld hypocrite. Two faced bitch with a forked tongue.

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    1. If McAleese is an 'irrelevant non-entity', why did you take the trouble to compose a post, read it aloud to yourself to see how impressive it sounded, tweak it here and there to make it appear even more impressive (in your head anyway), check for spelling errors, and then post it?

      You went to a lot of bother for an (what was it?) 'irrelevant non-entity).πŸ˜†

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  14. Big Mac is a bucket mouth.

    She craves attention and adulation and, because basically the party’s over for her, she’s becoming more screamingly desperate for notice.

    “Pay attention to ME” is her continuous theme.

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    1. You sound almost pathologically jealous, 09:56.

      What's up? Did she do much better in life than you did?πŸ˜†

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  15. I am a bit surprised at how negative people are about Mary. She us a narcissist but makes some good points.

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    1. Your judgement Pat is a bit dubious on this one as on many other things too. Her points suit your narrative, sadly many others can see through it. Pity you can’t.

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    2. MMM If I where you I’d stick to breathing in more air on the Newcastle seafront just so you can get more oxygen to that brain of yours.

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    3. Calling someone names does not address the issues.

      It also makes you look unintelligent.

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    4. I see Pat continues to allow MC to abuse people. He has responded to most posters today in an abusive way when they hav3 not even referred to him let alone provoked him. Remember Pat when you talk about abuse in future your words will be hollow when you continue to allow your friend to demean people in such a way. How can you expect people to take what you or your blog says seriously.

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    5. 10:38 I notice you didn't whine to Pat about the posters who have been abusing Mary McAleese.

      Funny that.πŸ˜†

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    6. Vast difference between the nasty abusing of someone and whining about them. Look it up on Wikipedia mate.

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    7. @10:37, irony overload!!!!

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    8. Irony is not dead @10:50, either.

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  16. 08 35: Mournful MMM is back again delighting in analogies of airplanes, ships and all things fatalistic. I can just imagine your gleeful smile at the thought of Holy Mother Church crumbling apart. Well MMM, I don't despair because out of the ruins we can rebuild a new community of God's people. Sad to tell you, but we're not going away from the landscape. Perhaps you might like to add your little piece to the new building of God's people, since, like Mary Mc you have lots to say! Together you might be the new St. Clare and St. Francis!

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    1. MourneManMichael14 July 2018 at 11:10

      And 10:10: unlike the falling apart RC aeroplane of McAleese; "Pig's will fly In truth I'd be more than happy for a revitalised spirituality centered organisation to develop out of the ruins of the RC church for those who feel the need for a deist based way of life. But as the RC church has been and presently exists I believe it's a hind

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  17. MMM: I'm glad you have an openness to a "deist" vision of how we might live our lives. History shows us that institutions change, albeit it slowly, and are often forced to do so by individuals and movements who are conscious of how we can and must renew and reform both ourselves individually and the organisation/institution we belong to. Mary Mc has something worthwhile to offer and can contribute meaningfully but not in the sustained, provocative way she speaks, dismissing all that's gone before, as if she's the new "wisdom". She is visionary in many ways and I hope the church can find a place for her. I find solace and insight through the great spiritual and mystical tradition of the Catholic Church. I also find enlightenment through the writings of Henri Nouwen, Ron Rolheiser, Richard Rohr, Sr. Joan Chichester, John O' Donohue, Sr. Joyce Rupp, Fr. Daniel O' Leary - all embracing theological, philosophical, literary and poetic imaginations. Along with the saints and mystics, I find these contemporary writers and piets both nourishing and insightful. Yes, there's a sense that we're crumbling apart as a Church but I will not lose my hope. The journey of rebuilding out of the ruins is very rewarding as you sift through all that's unnecessary and you come back time and time again to the vision of Jesus. That's my hope.

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    1. Hey 11:27, is there anyone under 70 on your list? Your generation has emptied the churches, your children have lapsed and your grandchildren are unbaptised. Time to accept that the Spirit of Vatican II produced no fruits.

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    2. Why don't you become an Anglican? Are they not proper Christians. The Lord loves a cheerful giver so it's better for lib Catholics to be contented members of the CofE, with its flexible teachings, rather than remain discontented moaners in the Catholic church.

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    3. Not only must renewal cone from within, clearly it must come in terms acceptable to the establishment. Church politics at its best.

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    4. 11.27 I think the church is going through a seismic shift. In a recent survey in the 18-24 age group 50% thought that religion was good. Most of these had some experience of mindfulness and meditation. This age groups love the silence of the church of cathedral. I am sure that mental health in the UK is so bad because people have lost contact with their innermost selves. Until we recover the contemplative dimension of life we will not be very happy. These people may not be mass goers but they value silence and would probably would like a good spiritual book. My consultant at the hospital is not a church goer, but he loves Thomas Merton. Spirituality has a lot offer those who need to anchor their souls in God.

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    5. 12:28 Vatican II certainly inspired fruitCAKES...like you.πŸ˜†

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    6. 12:43 If by definition a 'lib' is someone who challenges and flouts orthodoxy, then the institutional Roman Catholic Church is a very prominent 'lib' since, traditionally, it has flouted one of Jesus' fundamental commands: to love neighbour as self. (And this is next to his command to love God above all things.)

      You're a 'lib' yourself, then, aren't you?πŸ˜†

      (Just statin' the obvious, like.πŸ˜†πŸ˜†)

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    7. Magna are you for real I have just joined this blog and I am ashamed of you I do not think you are anything Catholic never mind Christian views @ 13.14 shameful. As for Vatican 2 thank God we got rid of fruit cakes like you and others from our Seminaries
      As you were " ordained" in January and await career promotion as an Auxiliary Bishop God Bless you and the Oratory.
      Paul you must be the biggest sponsor of this blog as for the vile you write. Bless you Magna.

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    8. Foolish Lad, I'll accept your criticism of me, if you can prove that the institutional Roman Catholic Church has traditionally taught, AND abided by, Jesus' commands that we are, first, to love God above all else, and second, to love our neighbour as if he were our very self.

      According to both Mark and Matthew, Jesus made these two commands the foundation of all others.

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    9. @foolish lad 14.27

      Clearly from the content of yoir post you have been on the blog for sometime. Otherwise you'd have no basis for such conclusions and name calling.

      "Foolish liar" is more like it.

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    10. 15.17 sadly you are wrong I read previous blogs to work out who they are all talking about and that is how I came to my opinion.
      Some of us have a brain.

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    11. Paul AKA Magna love thy neighbour do you not understand the meaning after all your unlovable remarks on this blog.

      Most people on here need to consider themselves.
      Now so the constantly insults to Our Blessed Lady and OUR Saints.

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    12. Foolish Lad, you have been evasive, avoiding the propostion in my post at 14:56.

      Not in the least surprised.

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    13. Magna you start with " Foolish Lad" so where is Love thy Neighbour as for the Gospels you were asked to live by them in your Seminarian Life and your teaching life but sadly you failed.
      The fellow bloggers on here understand it is due to your addition and vile hate you state each day is shocking.
      Can I refer you to the Gospels and the one about the splinter in one's eye. or who casts the first stone.....
      You try and correct everyone's English, Irish, Scottish way of writing have a look at thyself.
      You know using Magna, Paul and anonymous everyone knows that it is Paul Creener.

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    14. Foolish Lad, your command of English is atrocious.

      Remedial classes in the subject are available.

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  18. MourneManMichael14 July 2018 at 13:41

    ......Ooops! Technology: .....I believe it's a hindrance. MMM

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    1. Nothing to do with technology. User error.

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    2. At 14.56 hrs Magna Carta wrote, " ... Jesus' commands that we are, first, to love God above all else, and second, to love our neighbour as if he were our very self ... "

      Yes, of course.

      But, as with all Bible-texts, it's important to consider the context and the Hermaneutics.

      Jesus was citing texts from Deuteronomy 6 and Leviticus 19; and that, as I see it, is the sense in which Jesus meant them and how his Hebrew listeners would have heard Him.

      I'm not being pedantic. That command 'Love your neighbour' is forever being misused.

      For example, there was Cardinal Hlonds. Pat was telling us about him yesterday

      The scandalous anisemitism in his 1936 Pastoral Letter came in a section supposedly addressing 'Christian shortcomings to LOVE ONE'S NEIGHBOURS in accordance with God's law' - source: Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Hlond#Relations_with_Jews

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    3. OJL, thank you for a worthwhile post.

      Jesus is his own (and perfect) hermenutic: the word made flesh.

      Though he was quoting from the Hebrew bible, HIS interpretation of these texts was very different from traditional Jewish understanding of them, which was much narrower and more exclusive of certain categories of people, like prostitutes, adulterers, gay people, etc.

      So while at least some of his listeners may have understood Jesus' words here in customary ways, Jesus' mission was not to endorse this, but to open their minds and hearts to a true, fuller, and perfect understanding of God's will through the Law.

      Jesus came to fulfil the Law. And by fulfilling it, he taught its perfect expression.

      Many did not want to know and clung to traditional understanding of the Law...like many Catholics today, who disparage the wisdom and truth in the teaching of the Second Vatican Council.

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    4. I don't believe that Our Lord was QUOTING from from tLeviticus and Deuteronomy; He was CITING Leviticus and Deuteronomy.

      Matthew and Mark report Him as saying that the Second Great Commandment is LIKE the First.

      But that is only so if you take that Second Great Commandment as being Leviticus 19 verse 18 in the context of Leviticus 19 as a whole - the ban on idols and so on - not in isolation.

      Again Paul writing to the Galatians says that, "For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: You shall love your neighbour as yourself". But that's only so if you read that 'one word' as being the command set out in Leviticus 19, not just verse 18.

      And if you read Deuteronomy chapter 6 you'll see that the command to to love God with everything that's in you and everything you've got includes complying with everything set out in Moses's Deuteronomy sermon.

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    5. Another interesting and worthwhile post from you, OJL.

      When Jesus said that the second commandment was like the first, he meant in terms of its theocentric fundamentality. Remember that Jesus does, in Matthew, declare that 'on these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.' I don't know how you can elicit from this that Jesus must, therefore, have been citing the whole of Leviticus in explanation of the second commandment, because Leviticus is not entirely concerned with the morality of loving one's neighbour, but also with other, cultural or ritualistic prescriptions. For example, immediately after verse 18 in Chapter 19 of Leviticus, it is stated: '...You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; nor shall there come upon you a garment of cloth made of two kinds of stuff.' And there is more of this 'stuff' in Leviticus. None of this has anything whatever to do with the morality of loving one's neighbour, but with ancient, Judaistic cultural considerations.

      And at verse 26 in Chapter 19 of Leviticus, it is stated: 'You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it.' This prescription is concerned with preserving ritual purity (without which an ancient Israelite could not participate in cultic worship), not the morality of loving one's neighbour.

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  19. What age is Big Mac? She must have had a tough paper round.

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    1. about 55 a drop out from Maynooth and also took early retirement last year from being an English teacher.

      Now a member of the Oratory known as Paul or as some say Polly....

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    2. Foolish Liar, not all people are here yo focus on Magna. Trust me Mary McAlease was never a seminarian in Maynooth or any other seminary.

      @15.09; I do think the pseudonym Big Mac might be ordinarily used to refer to Mary Lou McDonald.

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    3. I named you well, foolish 'Foolish Lad'.

      15:09 was referring to Mary McAleese ('Big Mac').

      Idiot.

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  20. Is it any wonder the McAleese lad is a homosexual with an overdomineering mother like that. Aren't bossy mothers a prime cause of homosexualism?

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    1. Magna Carta's Mum14 July 2018 at 17:43

      Not in my experience, dear. I've relentlessly dominated him all his life but my Magna remains the dreary old belching and football-watching hetero he ever was.
      It's a bitter disappointment to me. I even had to pay an interior designer at one point.

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    2. By George, you've found the Holy Grail of sexual genetics, epigenetics, psychology, etc. ! The cause of homosexuality!

      It was, all along, a maternal battleaxe.

      The Lancet wants an article from you.

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      There are some other isms which come to mind in your case. If your mother’s dysfunctional personality is redponsible for thrm she must be of thr Richter scale.

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  21. Can you tell us how, you allow that dreadful old "soak" Magna Carta to insult everyone who does not agree with her. But you do not grant the same right to others who wish to retaliate. Where is you're impartiality?

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    1. Ah, but I insult with such panache!

      It is a privilege to be insulted by Magna. Wear your wound with pride.πŸ˜†

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  22. 12.28: Most people who attend my Church are under 70! Don't see relevance of your point. Simplistic analysis like yours is unintelligent. You forget to mention the cultural, religious shifts, educational and economical changes that have taken place in Ireland, all contributing to changing Church realities. Life is more full of choices, freedom, opportunities and options than ever. Religious landscapes are changing and being challenged radically.

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    1. In the US, also sharply subject to cultural, religious shifts, educational and economical changes that have taken place in Ireland, the Catholic church is in steeper decline than the evangelical Protestants. The Episcopalians, who fulfill the Spirit of Vatican II agenda, are utterly finished. Talk about a controlled experiment.

      Last time I went to a Novus Ordo Mass the congregation was made up chiefly of older ladies, as Cardinal Heenan predicted in the 1960s.

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  23. A certain clerical editor of an Irish religous periodical has a penchant for meeting younger men on the internet. He likes so see himself as a reforming voice lol. The delusion of some men knows no bounds.

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    1. He is also a member of the ACP that group of old fossels. He has also uses the defence of not knowing that child abuse was illegal for not stopping a peadophile in his order when he was provincial

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  24. Where is Sean . Has the Anglicans reprimanded him.

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  25. Sean is gone ok. He got hauled over the coals. End of.

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    1. No. Sean was knifed in the back by some, er, Christian.

      But then, Christians are known for acts of betrayal...almost by definition.πŸ˜†

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    2. 18.12: Magna, Sean was the architect of his own disappearance from this blog. No Christian was responsible, just Sean himself. Most of his comments, like yours were/are inane and mostly useless. Anyway, surely his Anglican community should satisfy his desire for notice!

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    3. you're a christian Magna?

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    4. It Seams he was not knifed in the back as he was on here doing falls God's like gossiping and passing unchristian comments and someone must have done him a favour and reported him.

      However surprisingly he is still listed as a Priest at the Oratory.

      Paul AKA Magna do not worry No one can report you as Pat likes you as one of his Priests and flock to spread vile on this blog daily.

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    5. 18:34

      In that case, I suppose Jesus was the 'architect' of his death.

      Yes, Judas Iscariot had nothing to do with it. A brief, unimportant footnote in salvation history.

      Glad we sorted out that one!πŸ˜†

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    6. 18:52

      But not your kind.πŸ˜†

      (I don't know how to weild a knife and creep up on someone from behind, as that exemplary Christian did poor Sean.)

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  26. The Catholic Church indeed needs reform.

    It endorses the message -- "love your neighbour," on one hand; then states "you do not fit the correct criteria for neighbour."

    I have seen this happen to my family that consists of separated mother and father, queer sibling, co-habitating and non married brother and his protestant girlfriend....and the list goes on.

    The sacrament should never be exclusive but accessible to all!!!!

    I agree with McAleese and say - WAKEN UP to the Church - you are turning people away which is contrary to the Gospel message!
    Amen

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    1. 18.12: Your phrase "queer sibling" is revoltingly insulting and homophobic. You need reform!! That phrase is contrary to the gospel message.

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    2. 18.12 the Church is always in reform guided by the Holy Spirit.

      Sadly for some it will not change with Modern Times so NO same Sex Marriage, No Eucharist for the LGBT or heterosexuals living together.

      It Preaches the Gospel.

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    3. 18:37

      The LGBT community self-identifies as 'queer'.

      Your accusation is utter nonsense.

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    4. 18.37 this is an affectionate term we use. Apologies but no offense made.
      Footbal lad - you illustrate my point well - the Eucharist is for ALL! God bless you

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    5. Foolish Lad @ 18:59, the 'Church' won't change with ancient times either, will it? Traditionally ignoring Jesus' command to love of enemy by supporting the death penalty, etc. ?

      Yes, the 'Church' is most certainly in NEED of reform, but it doesn't WANT reform. Which is why it attracts self-aggrandising idiots like you.πŸ˜†

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    6. 19:09

      Re-read Foolish Lad's post. He does not recommend the Eucharist for all: he would exclude married same-sex couples and cohabiting heterosexual couples.

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    7. Sorry Magna, I meant to say his opinion illustrates the part of the Church that indeed needs reform and even he, in his bigoted ways, is welcome too! This is the good news! Noone is turned away!

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  27. Sorry to disappoint you ALL the Holy Mother Church known as Roman Catholicism and is the One TRUE Church.

    It will NEVER change under His Holiness Pope Francis or his successor and that is a fact so NO changes over the next decade.

    Pope Francis is the Successor of Saint Peter.

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    1. I hope you are better at football than written English, and reasoning.

      In evolutionary terminology, you're at the Neanderthal stage. (And it looks as though you're grounded there.πŸ˜•)

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    2. Football Lady at 20:14

      Sorry to disappoint you, but where have you been? Our Holy Mother The Church has changed so
      much that it is unrecognizable! I hope you are
      right that their will be No more changes under this Pontiff and that he will act as the Successor of St. Peter.

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  28. Thank you, Football Lad!
    Such a refreshing treat to read someone's comments which speak of the Pope with due respect .
    There's no doubt you are in the top league!

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    1. It's a pity the pope didn't show others 'due respect', like the Chilean abuse survivors, the abuse-survivor members of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors, etc. .

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  29. MicheΓ‘l Ledwith has died.

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  30. I was chatting with an NI Presbyterian earlier. He tried to convert me and was ready with reasons as to why his church was right and the Catholic church was wrong. Standard Protestant stuff.

    You could have cut the atmosphere with a knife when I pointed out that within a mile's radius there were other Protestant church buildings. "Why" I asked "should I come to your church rather than the Methodists, Anglicans or Free Ps?". He had no answer.

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