Nun files sexual abuse case against bishop, diocese denies charge
Published on: 12:37 am, June 30, 2018 by: mattersindia.com
By Matters India Reporter
New Delhi: Police in Kerala have registered a sexual case against a Catholic bishop, television channels in the southern Indian state reported on June 29.
The case was filed by a Catholic nun who has worked in Jalandhar diocese in the northern Indian state of Punjab, now headed by Bishop Franco Mulakkal.
“It is a false case filed in retaliation,” Father Peter Kavumpuram, public relations officer of Jalandhar diocese, told Matters India on June 29.
This is the first sexual abuse case against a bishop in India where several priests have been arrested for the crime.
The priest said the nun went to the police ten days after the diocese filed a police case in Kerala’s Kottayam town against her brother who had sent life threatening letters to Bishop Mulakkal.
“The letter had threatened to cut the bishop into pieces when he comes to Kerala next,” Father Kavumpuram explained. Local newspapers had reported the bishop receiving threat to his life.
In her complaint to the police, the nun alleged the 55-year-old prelate had in 2014 sexually abused her at a guest house in Kuravilangad in Kottayam district.
Father Kavumpuram said the nun, who is her early 40s, belongs to the Missionaries of Jesus, a pious society of religious women. It was founded by late Capuchin Bishop Symphorian Keeprath of Jalandhar in 1993.
The nun has made several charges against the bishop and her superiors after she was removed from her posts in the congregation, the priest alleged.
He also said the superior general of the congregation would take her counselors’ team to Kerala on June 30 explain the situation to the police there.
He said the diocesan curia has decided to “go all out and fight the false case” against the bishop.
Meanwhile, priests, who have worked in Jalandhar for years, see the cases as the outcome of infighting going on for years in the diocese. They said the nun had refused to oblige the bishop, who wanted to use her position to target a priest who had opposed him.
“The diocese is very rich and what we are seeing is the arrogance of money power,” said a priest, who refused to be identified. “It is very sad and shocking,” he added.
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Vatican confirms reports of sexual abuse and rape of nuns by priests in 23 countries
The Catholic Church in Rome made the extraordinary admission yesterday that it is aware priests from at least 23 countries have been sexually abusing nuns.
Most of the abuse has occurred in Africa, where priests vowed to celibacy, who previously sought out prostitutes, have preyed on nuns to avoid contracting the Aids virus.
Confidential Vatican reports obtained by the National Catholic Reporter, a weekly magazine in the US, have revealed that members of the Catholic clergy have been exploiting their financial and spiritual authority to gain sexual favours from nuns, particularly those from the Third World who are more likely to be culturally conditioned to be subservient to men.
The reports, some of which are recent and some of which have been in circulation for at least seven years, said that such priests had demanded sex in exchange for favours, such as certification to work in a given diocese.
In extreme instances, the priests had made nuns pregnant and then encouraged them to have abortions.
The US article was based on five documents, which senior women from religious orders and priests have presented to the Vatican over the past decade. They describe a particularly bad situation in Africa. In a continent devastated by Aids, nuns, along with early adolescent girls, are perceived by some as safe sexual targets. The reports said that the church authorities had done little to tackle the problem.
The Vatican reports cited countless cases of nuns forced to have sex with priests. Some were obliged to take the pill, others became pregnant and were encouraged to have abortions. In one case in which an African sister was forced to have an abortion, she died during the operation and her aggressor led the funeral mass. Another case involved 29 sisters from the same congregation who all became pregnant to priests in the diocese.
The reports said that the cultures in some African countries made it almost impossible for a young woman to disobey an older man, especially one seen as spiritually superior. There were cases of novices who applied to their local priest or bishop for certificates of good Catholic practice that were required for them to pursue their vocation. In return they were made to have sex. Some incidents of sexual abuse allegedly took place almost within the Vatican walls.
Certain unscrupulous clerics took advantage of young nuns who were having trouble finding accommodation, writing their essays and funding their theological studies.
Forced to acknowledge the problem, the Vatican has tried to play down its gravity. In a statement issued yesterday the Pope’s official spokesman, Joaquin Navarro Valls, said: “The problem is known and involves a restricted geographical area. Certain negative situations must not overshadow the often heroic faith of the overwhelming majority of religious, nuns and priests”.
One of the most comprehensive documents was compiled by Sister Maura O’Donohue, an Aids co-ordinator for Cafod, the London-based Catholic Fund for Overseas Development.
She noted that religious sisters had been identified as “safe” targets for sexual activity. She quotes a case in 1991 of a community superior being approached by priests requesting that the nuns be made available to them for sexual favours.
“When the superior refused the priests explained they would otherwise be obliged to go to the village to find women and might thus get Aids.”Sister O’Donohue said her initial reaction to what she was told by her fellow religious “was one of shock and disbelief at the magnitude of the problem”.
While most of the abuse happened in African countries, Sister O’Donohue reported incidents in 23 countries including India, Ireland, Italy, the Philippines and the United States.
She heard cases of priests encouraging the nuns to take the pill telling them it would prevent HIV. Others “actually encouraged abortion for the sisters” and Catholic hospitals and medical staff reported pressure from priests to carry out terminations for nuns and other young women.
O’Donohue wrote in her report how a vicar in one African diocese had talked “quite openly” about sex, saying that “celibacy in the African context means a priest does not get married, but does not mean he does not have children.”
The head of the Vatican congregation for Religious Life, Cardinal Martinez Somalo, has set up a committee to look into the problem. But it seems to have done little beyond “awareness raising” among bishops.
More recently, in 1998, Sister Marie McDonald, mother superior of the Missionaries of Our Lady of Africa, put together a paper entitled The Problem of the Sexual Abuse of African Religious in Africa and Rome.
She tabled the document to the Council of 16, made up of delegates of the international association of women’s and men’s religious communities and the Vatican office responsible for religious life. She noted that a contributing cause was the “conspiracy of silence”.
When she addressed bishops on the problem, many of them felt it was disloyal of the sisters to send reports.
“However, the sisters claim they have done so time and time again. Sometimes they were not well received. In some instances they are blamed for what happened. Even when they are listened to sympathetically nothing much seems to be done” One of the most tragic elements that emerges is the fate of the victims. While the offending priests are usually moved or sent away for studies, the women are normally chased out of their religious orders, they are then either to scared to return to their families or are rejected by them. they often finished up as outcasts, or, in a cruel twist of irony, as prostitutes, making a meagre living from an act they had vowed never to do.
One of the few religious in Rome willing to talk about the report was Father Giulio Albanese, of MISNA, the missionary news agency. “Missionaries are human beings, who are often living under immense psychological pressure in situations of war and ongoing violence. On one hand it’s important to condemn this horror and it’s important tell the truth, but we must not emphasise this at the expense of the work done by the majority, many of whom have laid down lives for witness” said Fr Albanese “The press only talks about missionaries when they are killed, kidnapped or are involved in something scandalous” he added.
As the Vatican digests the unpalatable evidence of how their own priests are ruining the lives of their sisters, many Catholics hope a strong message may come from on high. With the American bishops, the Pope spoke in clear terms about paedophile priests, telling them this was a scourge that had to be faced. Some now hope that he may be equally courageous in denouncing an evil which has been covered by silence and shame for too long.
PAT SAYS:
We have heard the many stories of children and adults been sexually and physically abused by nuns.
But we have heard much less about the many cases where nuns were sexually abused by priests and bishops.
Bishops and priests were and are, limited in their sexual expression by the laws of celibacy and chastity.
But the sexual drive is very strong - and when curtailed it can find expression in illicit affairs and various forms of abuse.
As we can see above, the abuse has happened in many countries around the globe - and also in Ireland.
Of course, it will be less of a problem in the West in the future as nuns are almost becoming a thing of the past.
But it will remain a problem in places like Africa, South America and India.
Of course, it will be less of a problem in the West in the future as nuns are almost becoming a thing of the past.
But it will remain a problem in places like Africa, South America and India.
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By Fr. Cornel Dascalu Italian Priest
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What in the world! Jones looks so good and buff!! Dam!
ReplyDeleteI don't trust clerics who are grossly obese. There is something deeply hypocritical (not to mention hilarious) when a grossly fat priest (especially one self-aggrandising and self-promoting in a biretta and cape) has the temerity to sermonise to people on abstinence.
ReplyDeleteI remember a line from A.J. Cronin's The Keys of the Kingdom. A missionary priest is counselling a hugely fat western lady, and he makes this off-the-cuff-but pointed observation: 'Eat less: the gates of paradise are narrow.'
Show me a grossly fat priest, and I'll show you a likely sexual deviant.
Do you have an evidence basis for your assertion of the link between obesity and sexual deviance? It seems like it would be anecdotal at best.
DeleteMagna Dear despite my advice, you're still on the VITRIOL. I think its more likely that people like yourself who drink too much are likely to be SEXUAL DEVIANTS.
DeleteYet another utterly asinine comment from Carta the resident & fixated troll!
DeleteYou’re not exactly twiggy yourself, Magna Carta. And one shudders to think of what your own proclivities might be!!
DeletePat, for crying out loud, would you give people a holiday from that obnoxious and boorish bore???
That Magna Carta bloke’s a man after my own heart!
DeleteDead right so he is!
Muslims are all terrorists.
Homosexual men are all molesters of boys.
Gypseys are all thieves.
Black people have a peculiar smell.
You can tell a Catholic because their eyes are funny.
And fat people are all pervs!
Yours faithfully,
John Bull.
Maggie’s in bed with a bottle. Black out curtains are drawn to keep out the lovely sunshine of today. Expect an explosion of vitriol and invective when she wakes from her slumbers later though! Lol
Delete08:29 Oh, it's more than anecdotal.
DeleteGluttony is the/a forerunner of sexual impurity.
11:12 Johnny boy, last time I looked at your pic, you had more than a beer belly.😅
DeleteWhat was that you said about fat people and pervs?😆
Anon at 11:12: In the year England actually won the World Cup, the Times newspaper famously branded the then Unionist government's anti catholic partisan ruling of N. Ireland, calling it "John Bull's Political Slum."
DeleteWith the World Cup currently in progress, are you simply being topical, or is there some other ulterior connection or motivation in your choice of pseudonym?
the biceps on him. hes been in the gym. good man sean
ReplyDeleteNo, love. It's just residual fat, the hardest to shift.😆
DeleteFr Jones looks very happy and content. He will be a holy priest. congratulations father x
ReplyDeleteWell, if accounts of his past are reliable, he will be very much into 'holiness'...but maybe not the kind you're predicting.😆
DeleteEvery blessing on Fr Jones and his ministry.
ReplyDeleteThat chasuble looks like a Galaxy caramel bar
ReplyDeleteA galaxy caramel bar is chocolate in colour. Should have gone to spec savers moron.
DeleteI was referring to the wrapper and a good morning to you too christian friend. I remembered you especially in morning prayer
Delete08:21 what a disgusting reply
DeleteYour period of morning prayer, 02:37 and 09:56 is intended for the glorification of God and the sanctification of humanity. The latter clearly failed. As for the former....
DeletePlease don't call him 'king Puck'. allow this man his dignity. he is a priest forever. Sean we all think you're amazing and you have our support.
ReplyDeleteFather Puck?
DeleteFather Jones will suffice
DeleteFr Bedsgood.
Delete8.17 Father Puck...Friar Puck...Friar Tuck
Delete... or just Friar *uck for short.
DeleteAnd the photos: Typical of RC priests? Corpulent spongers? Does the photo of them drinking beer sum up their "career" choices and expectations.
ReplyDeleteWill the sheep like laity continue to allow themselves to be led by the likes of this lot?
No doubt some will say you can't generalise. But frankly this is fast becoming the general view of the public at large: the vox populi.
06.04: Think you're up to early. Your brain is still in your arse, you plank...
DeleteAnon @ 09:04.
DeleteThank you. I am indeed indebted and appreciative of your gracious and thoughtful observations.
Just a pity your spelling isn't up to the same standard as your perspicacity.
But since it isn't, here's a clue:
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09:32
DeleteNothing gracious or thoughtful about your original contribution. In fact, the diametric opposite is the case.
Sounds like a lot of projection, so it's very likely what you dislike is a thinly-veiled form of self-loathing:
corpulent
sponger
alcohol-drinking
mean-spirited
peevish
etc. etc.
09.32: Glad you appreciate my earlier observation!! My only error - "to" instead of "too". Not much to complain of. I think your comment at 06.04 is ignorant. Typical of begrudgers and hate inciters. I return a similar insight on your perspicacity. Clue: 0...for "the likes of you lot"!!
Delete10.45: I am a pioneer, very much in touch with my realities, frailties, not at all unhappy and known for my kind, generous spirit. Sorry to burst your angry, begrudging bubble. Can I suggest you take a walk in the sun. It might help clear your brain of silliness.
Delete06:04 Your post is remarkable for its insight and accuracy. The only problem with such posts is that they tend to incur ire from jealous, mean-minded, intellectual pygmies... as you've discovered.😆
DeleteYes, by vox populi, 'Roman Catholic priests' has become a byword for 'corpulent spongers'. And 'Roman Catholic lay person' a byword for... Well, you've no doubt already guessed: 'stupid sheep' , for financially maintaing said corpulent spongers.😆
BAAAAAAAA 🐑
Magna Troll is working his way through each post and attacking the majority of them. He responds at 2.25pm todayto a poster at 06.04 this morning. What a waste of space and pathetic excuse of an existence.
Delete14:47 And you just can't resist following me, can you? Hah! Hah! Hah!😅😆
DeleteThanks you Magna.
DeleteYou have similarly complimented the perspective of some of my previous comments. It's interesting that a lot of 'ex- sems' seem to have developed insightful understanding of both the limitations of the orthodox RC religion and the machinations of its clerical elite anxious to preserve their power and privilege under the guise of religious belief. Having been part of the system they see through its facade.
So ad hominem hostile criticism is simply to be expected. Up to their necks in the swamp they just keep digging!
And as for Anon at 11:11: it was my "ignorance " Which prompted the questions at 06:04 you seem incapable of answering.
16:19 Your standard of literacy is not impressive, along with your style, and your command of syntax and punctuation.
Delete(Just concerned, like.😆)
We wish Gods blessing on Father Sean and his ministry. How shallow some people are when they focus on appearances only. Tells you a lot about THEM.
ReplyDeleteAnd what does it say about you, dear? You must know this man's past. How do you know that it isn't his present and his future?
Deleteyou're dead right 8:23
DeletePat. Whether you like it or not Sean is now a priest forever. He is entitled to be respected as such and be allowed to put the past behind him. He may be a sinner as we all are but please God the grace of the sacrament will help him to become a saint. I noticed in comments on another platform that those who came in contact with him as a deacon loved him and appreciated his kindness and goodness to them . So rather than constantly humiliating him lets .pray for him.
ReplyDeleteBeing a priest gives no automatic entitlement to be respected. I know for I trained and lived amongst them long enough. There are a few good priests but in my experience the worse the man the more likely he will be ordained. And to note, the best left before ordination, often because they set a higher standard than the gutter priesthood.
Delete11.13: You Langer Head Banger: What a bizarre conclusion. Nonsense. There are many good priests, good human beings, faithful to their ministry, committed to the highest ideals. I have worked with them and continue to be inspired by my fellow priests. Yes, some are not so good, some have left, but the majority of us are well aware of our human frailties and of our continuing need of God's grace. Thankfully, I have learned many years ago not to take people like you too seriously. Gutter comment. God is good....
Delete11:45 There can be no such thing as a good priest. Priests vow obedience to one man principally: the pope. But he isn't the right man.
DeleteActually the vow of obedience that you make is to your bishop in his position as Ordinary.
DeleteYes, I'm aware of this (as they probably are on nearby planets).
DeleteBut ultimately, a bishop must be in communion with the Bishop of Rome, the pope.
How so many fall into the Trap of giving the Troll the ammunition he wants and craves. He is only on here for your reactions, he is a charlatan and wind up con merchant.
Delete14:14 And you keep ignoring your advice to others by never missing an opportunity to react to my posts. Hah! Hah! Hah!😆
DeleteIf there is a perfect candidate for chemical castration it would be the TROLL that Pat supports.
DeletePat does not "support" MC.
DeletePat allows MC to post.
MC does not represent Pats views.
No comment maker does.
Pat is well able to express his own views and thoughts.
@11.45
DeleteReview classes in Maynooth for the last 15 years. The best to enter the place walked out. That is a knowledge based conclusion, not an assumption. I have never denied the fact that there are good priests in ministry, but the priesthood is in the gutters, flushed down there by the bishops.
That's all well and good Pat but quite a few have posted now questioning your connection with Magna. He offends without being provoked and people are sick and tired of it. I know you will defend him posting on here but you are allowing him to abuse people. Are you a co abuser Pat? I'm sure you would want to disassociate yourself from this assertion that many have.
Delete@17.04
DeleteThere are no referees in life. Stop running to Pat as if you were an infant and Pat your mother. If you dont like Magna's comments just ignore them, dont even read them.
17.35 Thanks for that advice Troll Carta
DeleteAnd MC does not support, Pat, by the way.
DeleteHe's his own man, and I hope Pat is, too.
Magna Carta is simply a wind up merchant. People are silly for always taking the bait.
ReplyDeleteI don't think it was SJ in the jock strap picture, the hair line is completely different. Either way he seems to have turned his life around and is in a much happier place. Maybe he fell in with a bad crowd in Maynooth who dragged him down. We should wish him all the best in the future. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!
ReplyDeleteJones is balding, and that picture was taken some years ago.
DeleteHas the penny dropped yet?😆
Have Gorgous and Puck swapped body sizes?
ReplyDeleteWe have a new Priest - He deserves respect , and to put the past behind him !
ReplyDelete14.10 The office does not sanctify the man. Respect is earned. Let's see how this works out.
Delete14:10 Spongers deserve no respect at all, especially one who apparently has such a seedy past.😆
DeleteCan the person who got rid of Page not get rid also of the freak show that’s called Carta. Head banger Langer too - both seminary rejects and ponces.
ReplyDeleteYES!! Away wi' the lot o' 'em!😠
Delete(And orf w' their heads while yer at it.😆)
@14.18
DeleteWhy is it so hard for you to understand that some people leave of their own accord, disgusted with what they witnessed in there?
Also look up ponce ya clown. Typical company man not liking a challenging opinion. Don't get your mitre in a twist Tommy boy.
Were you kicked out Langer?
DeleteAuld head banger Langer economical with the truth - rejected, not good enough, the boot, the door, the shoe, outstayed his welcome, not worthy, not suitable - shall I go on??? Him and TROLL are well suited together
Delete16.46: Cool it Langerhead. You're losing the run of yourself! You are another REJECT. So get over it. Stop being a victim and blaming others. Go to Maggie's den for a sup - she has a store load of booze and needs company under her rock tonight. Hook up with her - you're two of a kind!
Delete20:56 Yes, great minds... Well, you know what the wisest say.😆
DeleteAh now Magna it could be you in that photo for all we know!
ReplyDeleteGod, I've been rumbled!😨
DeleteI'm orf!😆
14.47: You are off Magna, very off....mad!
ReplyDeleteI can tell you are gifted with repartee.
ReplyDelete(Just kiddin', like.😆)
Maggie Carta has her sofa out in her front garden. She’s been necking tins of Tennents since she woke up around 1:00pm.
ReplyDeleteShe’s red as a beetroot with the sun and steaming. Her moobs are on display as she is dressed only in a pair of Penney’s jeans.
She frightened a pack of small children earlier in the afternoon who were innocently playing hop scotch and is currently glaring menacingly at a woman walking a poodle dog.
She is slumped over her iPad typing furiously and drunkenly every 10 mins. Her speech is slurred but she keeps muttering incoherently about “fools” and “fat perverts”.
Old Maw Carta is inside doing her knitting and can occasionally be heard pleading with Maggie not to urinate on the orange lilies.
I have the misfortune of living next door. You have no idea. Orare pro me.
Memorandum from Dr Magna Carta
ReplyDeleteDr Carta apologises, but he will not be posting for a few hours, as he has headed off to the nearest inn to watch England thrash those drug dealers from South America.
Dr Carta has assured me (after consulting the runes, Old Moore's Almanack, the spirit of Nostradamus, and Mrs Boyd next door) that the final score will be 2:1...to the Anglo-Saxons!😎
Signed
Gawn Awry, MA
Secretary to Dr Carta (and his bestest friend)
England will be out of the World Cup well before the Final...
DeleteBut it WON tonight...and almost by Dr Magna's predicted score.
DeleteMust stick in yer craw, boy.😆
Isn’t it interesting Bishop Pat that none of your blog contributors have made reference to the scandal and crimes of religious sisters being raped! I wonder why?
ReplyDeleteYes, I found that STRANGE and SAD.
DeleteThat's because every topic is taken over by MC and potential comment makers are put off by the prospect of verbal abuse from him.
DeleteBut it's Pat's choice to allow this to happen.
The pictures of the King and Count Dracula kinda crowded out the main topic.
DeleteIn an institutional life where the calling is to self-sacrafice so as to promote the institution there has to be many nuns silenced over the years. Bullying, rape, abuse were all topics hushed over the years. May God bless all those who suffered in silence.
ReplyDeleteBishop Pat, I wonder if there’s a lid being tightly kept on the rape of Irish sisters in the institutional Church in Ireland? Is this another potential can of worms? Ireland was mentioned in your initial article. Isn’t it very odd that no one has commented on this issue!
ReplyDeleteYes. The sisters are quiet to date.
Delete19.31 Sr Maura O'Donohue has had much to say on the subject. Ireland is one of the places she mention. It is supposed to be rife in Africa or any where we women have very little power.
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Magna seems to be going all out with the emoji's these days. Quiet amusing, albeit pitiful.
ReplyDelete🤔 off topic
DeleteWill we be getting a blog on the FSSP anytime soon, following the string of last night's comments?
ReplyDeleteSo long as it is not about those tiresome rumours relating to the French priest and his female friend. Otherwise, I would be interested to hear Bishop Pat's views on this traditional order, especially considering the FSSP and ICKSP are both becoming increasingly popular?
DeleteThe Trad orders do not forget the other one FSPX there are the three that is know and I think another Trad mod in Preston that have manage to keep a Chapel open.
DeleteWill you be doing a blog on the Trad's Pat? It's Something you haven't yet investigated, and seems to be accumulating considerable interest on here!
DeleteNot to mention the said French priest of the English FSSP looks incredibly hot! No wonder he has female attention in London
DeleteRape is a CRIME and a rapist is a CRIMINAL....a danger to society!
ReplyDeleteAre we supposed to believe that sisters were raped in the past but accepted it as self sacrifice to protect the institutional Church! But it’s not going on now! ‘The glory of God is the person fully alive’ St. Irenaeus.
God doesn’t need protection! Rapists in any profession or fraternity will gladly look to the ‘powers that be’in the profession or fraternity to protect them. ‘Jesus Wept’.
You assume the institutional church respects civil law. It does not and too many people in power-positions only recognise canon law.
DeleteThey mightn’t respect it but they’re bound by it whether they like it or not as was the case in Australia where an Archbishop has been sentenced for concealing child sex abuse crimes.
Delete19.50 No one would have believed them. There are many people in my parish who think all clerics are saints. Where would the woman have gone. No money, no home and no family. I have been reading up on Cardinal Spellman who liked the young men in the shows in New York. When challenged he said..No one will believe you. This has always gone on in the church. The church has so much power that they could bully people into silence. Remember the battle between Thomas a Beckett and King Henry II, the church has not moved on from there. It is only because reporters like the Boston spotlight team and Mary Raftery would not stop digging that some of these things came to light.
DeleteYes...but what’s going on in the contemporary Irish Institutional Catholic Church with regards to the rape of both women and men in the institution? Are there known clerical rapists roaming around this country potentially putting both men and particularly women at risk? This is a very serious and potentially explosive issue!
DeleteI once asked a friend of mine, a priest, whether Canon Law should take precedence over Civil Law. He nodded wordlessly, but with a look on his face which seemed to say: 'What a stupid question! Of couse it should.'
Delete21:29 The Roman Catholic Church may be bound by Civil Law, but historically, its attitude has been one of sniffy dismissiveness. It still is in too many quarters.
@21.29 they circumvent where and when possible
Delete@22.28
DeleteI refr to my reply below to the 20.33 comment.
With respect...I reckon your canon law priest friend was brain washed! They seem to live in a parallel universe!
DeleteWhen one is institutionalised the internal organisations rules take priority over law. It's not just canon lawyer who think that way.
Delete23:12 I agree.
DeleteIt's half-time, so I'm free to comment.
ReplyDeleteI know of an Irish nun (now deceased) who, reportedly, was serially assualted sexually by a priest. The poor dear decided to offer up her pain rather than grumble, but eventually the abuse became too much even for her and she reported it to fellow nuns.
Can you guess the rest? She wasn't believed and was posted to another country. Exiled.
The mythology, and manufactured mystique, of Roman Catholic priesthood has protected the abusers among them for far too long. It depresses me that so many posters here have defended that odious little nan, Mr Sean Jones, as a direct result of these factors.
Sean Jones is a nan? You learn something new every day!
DeleteI feel extremely Sorry and Hurt for anyone who tried to be a seminarian and sadly it was not for them or the Church asked them to leave.
DeleteHowever Magna Carta did Sean Jones reject you along with others because the vermin and jealous of you and others comes out very strong.
Bishop Ray Browne would have consulted widely and even with Rome before he ordained Father Sean Jones so give it a break.
It is sad for his Family who have watch a Diocese play it very low key compared to others ordained recently but that is the Church for you.
No Doubt we will be back at the Father Sean Jones story when his appointment is announced.
For those interested in the Diocese of Meath the new Bishop takes over 2nd September after the Papal visit.
It’s the drink talking when Troll refers to SJ as nan.
DeleteBishop Pat, Is the issue of rape in the Institutional Church in Ireland another dark chapter that has to come into the light of day? Is there likely to be another enquiry and report? Have you any idea of how prevelant this crime is amongst clergy?
ReplyDeleteI know of one seminarian who raped a theology student in Maynooth in the not too distant past. He was ordained afterwards, is in ministry and his activity was masterfully covered up by none other than Donal O'Neill. The theology student elected to not prosecute and finished off her studies shortly afterwards. I gather it took some time for her to regain a sense of normality in life.
Delete21:29
DeleteYou need to go to the Garda with your knowledge - that will soon determne whether it’s credible.
Otherwise, you are wasting your time on here and merely continuing obnoxious falsities.
No the lady needed to go to the gardai. It is her testamony that they need.
DeleteGiver Miss Jones' her due, +Pat, she was determined to be ordained a pulpit poof come Hell or high water.
ReplyDeleteOf course, +Pat, she will now be used as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances at Gaynooth (which there will be many I am sure).
Pat. As someone who read and contributed regularly I stopped reading and contributing because of Magna in all his or her forms. Whereas I agree that Magna does make some interesting points at times all is outdone by the invective and rudeness of his comments.
ReplyDeleteI know othercontributors who have also stopped for the same reason.
I don’t like censorship but I feel that because you give a free run to this troll your blog is losing its worth as a forum where people can express a viewpoint.
Can I suggest that you moderate Magnas contributions for the sake of your blog otherwise people will get fed up and move away.
Dalriada Dick
You make an excellent point DD. I agree Magna makes good points but demeans them by far too much unnecessary vitriol.
DeleteI have no problem with his stance on clericalism etc. But it's the personalised denigration that +Pat must curtail. It demeans this site and allowing it's continuation demeans Pat's reputation and efforts.
But you couldn't keep away, could you, Dalriada Duck?
DeleteWhat brasses off most of you cretins is my intelligence and learning. You can't debate me, cos I'd tear you apart. And I ALWAYS do, when you're stupid enough to try.😆
Old men and their intellectual jealousy. Tch! Drown your self-pity, and insecurity, in yet another bottle of that muck you pour down your ageing gullet.😆
Not to mention your MODESTY lol
Delete20:39 And you ate an example of what?
ReplyDeleteNot grammar. Not balance.
Miss Jones has set a precident other Mo's at Gaynooth can follow should +Pat rumble them, i.e. brazen it out.
DeleteWho is DASCULA. All these nicknames are confusing. Give us their real names and we can google them and find out a bit about them.
ReplyDeleteMembers of the hierarchy need to WAKE UP! Strategies of old for dealing with problem clergy wont work in the modern world. Rape is a criminal offense just as child sexual abuse is a criminal offense. The hierarchy found that out the hard way! It seems to me that the civil authorities tolerance of the going’s on in the Church is wearing thin and it’s only a matter of time before the eruption of more scandalous criminality in the Church!
ReplyDelete22:52
DeleteThe vast majority of child sexual abuse takes place (Present Tense) in the home. By focusing exclusively on clerical abuse you are facilitating the perpetrators to avoid being discovered.
Dear Mrs Carta (Maggie’s “Mommie Dearest”), -
ReplyDeleteThat offer about sending Mags to the Silent Daughters of St Ludmilla of the Empty Bottles still stands - also the setting up of a PayPal/GoFu**Me donation system to cover the dowry.
The convent of the Silent Daughters is like one of those boot camps parents in the USA send their unruly and wayward sons and daughters to - except permanent.
Big Mother Boadicea of the Cold Stone Floors and her prioress, Sr Dominatrixia of the Studded Bra, get great results as they are very “persuasive” and they absolutely love challenges like “lickle Magna”.
Don’t worry Mrs Carta, if Maggers doesn’t want to go to join the good sisters it can still be “arranged” - no problem - and at no extra cost.
It’s for Mags’ own good, Mrs Carta. We only have her welfare at heart. After six months with the Silent Daughters, you won’t recognise Magna. The transformation will be total and permanent. She will be missed of course on this blog but it’s a small price to pay for her ultimate and eternal wellbeing.
Just give the auld nod Mrs C and the lasoo, the tranquilizer gun and the securicor van will be ready. You won’t regret it and neither will we.
I don't mean to be rude, 22:53, but you aren't funny; just corny.
DeleteYou haven't the intelligence, or comedic talent.😆
Pat, your so called partner McConnell is discrediting your name.
ReplyDeleteHe doesn't understand the difference between the truth and lies and tells the dogs on the street that he works for you, he's in la la land and thats every single person's veiw in the area except his daily liker Martin!
If you've no respect for your mother then there's little chance for anyone else!
People should not engage with MC.
ReplyDeleteI have scrolled past anything with the pseudonym at its head for months.
Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, contains a character, the Pardoner, who fits the bill for MC. The host makes this remark to him: (in modern translation):
"I would I had thy testicles in my hand....
Have them cut off, I will help thee carry them;
They shall be enshrined in a hog's turd!" (Lines 952-955)
01:00 Sounds like hate speech to me, especially with that threat.
DeleteYeah, I'm sure you would like my 'junk' in your hand, but with a very different purpose in mind.😆