Friday 17 August 2018

GAY SEX, BOOZE, AND SCANDAL SHAKES BOSTON SEMINARY



By ROD DREHER • 

Earlier this week I was informed that two former seminarians of St. John’s Seminary in the Archdiocese of Boston had posted allegations on social media sites including the Archdiocese’s Facebook page that during their time at the seminary they witnessed and experienced activities which are directly contrary to the moral standards and requirements of formation for the Catholic priesthood.
At this time I am not able to verify or disprove these allegations. As Archbishop of Boston, with responsibility for the integrity of the seminary and its compliance with the Church’s Program for Priestly Formation, I am committed to immediate action to address these serious matters and have made the following decisions regarding St. John’s Seminary.
First, I have asked Msgr. James P. Moroney, Rector of St. John’s, to go on sabbatical leave for the Fall Semester, beginning immediately, in order that there can be a fully independent inquiry regarding these matters.
This piece from One Peter Five is what this is about. The author is John Monaco, who talks about the homosexuality he saw in both St. Charles Borromeo seminary in Philadelphia, and in the passage below, what he saw in St. John’s Boston:
I spent two years in yet another “conservative” major seminary before leaving. During my time in this seminary, I saw more misconduct and abuse. Some priests on the faculty would get drunk with a select group of seminarians and invite them into their rooms late at night. One night, a priest on the formation faculty got so drunk during a seminary party that he fell out of his chair. While during the day, this particular priest was a hardliner regarding the Church’s teachings, his nighttime behavior revealed that such “orthodoxy” was a mask hiding his perversions. When I brought this up to other seminarians, I was criticized for being “uncharitable” and “gossiping.”
Though the seminary was no longer a purple palace where homosexual activity was front and center, sexual deviancy and improper conduct remained – only this time, it was behind the scenes. One of the seminarians ahead of me laughed and told me that the year before I entered, my room belonged to a guy who was kicked out for committing sodomy with a member of a religious order who took classes at the seminary. They were discovered after their moaning was heard by a seminarian across the hall, who notified a faculty member. Both seminarians were promptly expelled. Sometimes, I would come downstairs to the common room late at night and find seminarians cuddling with each other – drunk, of course. Alcohol abuse was prevalent, and no one took action against it.
I kept to myself during those two years, but rumors of seminarians hooking up with each other and faculty members grooming homosexual seminarians with lavish gifts abounded. I became more and more isolated. I stopped attending daily Mass and the recitation of the Divine Office, preferring to stay in my room and try to sleep my way through the day. Thankfully, the rector of the seminary took note of my depressed state, met with me, and arranged for me to see a therapist – which he kindly paid for. After speaking with the therapist, as well as my spiritual director, I knew what I had to do. In spring of 2016, I left.
A Catholic priest has privately vouched to me for the character of John Monaco, saying he’s solid.
According to the Boston Pilot, the Boston archdiocese’s newspaper, Monaco’s story brought another accusation:
Another allegation came in an Aug. 7 comment by a person named Andrew Solkshinitz on the archdiocese’s Facebook page, which was linked to Monaco’s article.
“I can confirm that this is true and in fact there are so many similar stories about this place. As a former Boston seminarian for 3 years I am calling upon the church to seriously examine the seminary located on Lake street. The church has not learned her lesson and maybe if the stories are once again made public then things will finally change,” Solkshinitz wrote.
On his personal Facebook page, Solkshinitz wrote that he was propositioned by a fellow student during his time at St. John’s. He said when he brought the matter to the attention of the archdiocese’s vocation’s director and vice rector and his concerns were dismissed.
Monaco also told his story to the activist website Church Militant. Today, he told Church Militant that he came forward with his stories in the wake of the Cardinal McCarrick scandal:
“When I wrote my testimony on One Peter Five (and later on Church Militant),” Monaco told Church Militant Friday, “I did so not out of vengeance or bitterness, but as an antidote to the poison of clergy abuse and misconduct, most infamously seen by the perversions of ‘Uncle Ted’ McCarrick.”
“Since then, my testimony has allowed others to come out and share their stories,” he added.
This brought back a memory. In the late winter of 2002, a month or so after the scandal broke big out of Boston, I met a rather conservative faculty member of St. John’s Seminary at a social gathering in New York. I asked him if it was true that St. John’s was a hotbed of gay sex. Oh yes, he said, it’s absolutely true.
“I found out that my best student friend had a reputation as the blow job queen of the seminary,” he said, ruefully.
My God, I said, did Cardinal Law know?
“Yes, he knew,” said the man. “I told him myself.”
And he did nothing? I asked.



I’ll never forget the look that man gave me. He was a man who loved the Catholic Church, and adored Cardinal Law. He was struggling to reconcile this with the fact that Cardinal Law had permitted this evil to persist in the archdiocesan seminary.
A lot of lay Catholics live and move and have their being within that sort of cognitive dissonance.
I am told by someone familiar with the situation at St. John’s today that a lot of the open homosexuality has been cleaned up since then, but that there’s still some of it. The culture of drinking is a big problem there, my contact said, and is a source of other problems.
The late Richard Sipe, who died last week, once told me that a culture of clerical sexual corruption is passed down within Catholic seminaries. In 2011, he wrote this about seminary life for Bishop Accountability. Excerpt:
Despite warnings and condemnations of homosexuality the Roman Catholic Church remains a homosocial  [emphasis in the original — RD] organization (it reserves all power to men and excludes women). This structure naturally facilitates and encourages homosexual activity within its clergy from the top down mostly among the immature and developing candidates. As one psychiatrist put it in a folksy phrase: Men are loving animals and they are going to love whoever’s near.” In the judgment of some the priesthood in the United States is becoming a “gay profession” (meaning more than 50%).
This is not merely a result of the structural predisposition, but due to the predominance of gay oriented bishops, religious superiors, and rectors of seminaries—those in charge of church power.
In 2002 the Vatican instituted an Apostolic Visitation of 200 U.S. seminaries and houses of formation; the investigations were conducted in 2005 and 2006 and the report was published in English on January 12, 2009. The Catholic News Service reported that the 2002 series of revelations of priest sexual abuse in the Boston Globe sparked the church visitation.  Those stories served as the flash point of the sexual abuse crisis that hit the United States.
One conclusion of the Vatican’s report was, “seminaries appeared to have made improvements in the area of seminarian morality, most notably with regard to homosexual behavior.” The examiners attributed this in part to the more judicious selection of seminary rectors. Later the report admitted, “Of course, here and there some case or other of immorality –again, usually homosexual behavior -continues to show up. However, in the main, the superiors now deal with these issues promptly and appropriately.”
Some who had intimate knowledge about the Vatican investigation said that it was “corrupt.” That sordid story will be told at a future date.
Archbishop (now Cardinal) Edwin O’Brien was in charge of that visitation. There is indeed a story to be told there.
In related news, I want to bring to your attention this powerful column written by an anonymous priest, talking about how exhausted he is by the never-ending scandals, and the belief that bishops will not support priests like him. He entered seminary in 2002, amid the last round of scandals. He knew what he was getting into, he said. What he didn’t realize is how bishops would not support faithful orthodox priests like him. Excerpts:
In my years of priesthood I have learned what the greatest good is for a bishop: to address as few complaints as possible. So, if a priest is having a gay affair, if he has a serious drinking problem, if he is sleeping around with women, if it is clear that he has mental disorders that inhibit him from overseeing a parish, if he is wicked and cruel, if he regularly abuses the liturgy, if he preaches heresy, if he contradicts the bishop, or if he teaches counter to the moral teaching of the Church, as long as there is no traceable record of complaint, or continual outcry from the people, then all remains the same, as long as the sins remain mostly occult. If a bishop can legally turn a blind eye, he will. Because otherwise, he may have to do something unpleasant.
More:
If I may, I now speak for myself and my peers directly to the American prelates: Bishops, we can appreciate how you feel when attacked for doing what is right. We can appreciate the hurt, the desolation, and the immense loneliness. We can appreciate it, because we live it as well. We live it when we preach a homily defending the Church’s teaching on marriage, and are chastised by you for “upsetting the people.” We live it when we express how difficult it is to live with someone who drinks himself into a rage every night, and we are told by you that we need to “get along with our pastor.” We live it when you let our brothers mock us behind our backs over cocktails with benefactors. We live it when we are chastised for legitimate liturgical expressions and our brothers who preach counter to the faith are given plush parishes and diocesan offices. We live it when our peers call us names, and paste misplaced quotes of Pope Francis on our doors. We live it when we see seminarians leave because a priest made an advance on them and you do nothing about it after we report it. We live it when our family and friends part ways with us because of Church abuse scandals. We live it when we are insulted in public. We know that it is difficult to do what is right in the current climate.
We often look to you, our spiritual fathers, for solidarity and support. We need someone to stand with us to be “shining lights in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation.” But we remain alone. At best, you ignore us, and, at worst, you punish or reprimand us. We don’t always get it right, especially when we are newly ordained, but think of this: Is it fair to berate a young priest for overzealous imposition of Latin, when you know his pastor is cruising gay bars and do nothing? Is it prudent to rebuke a son for preaching on an unpopular topic, while his colleague regularly openly endorses contraception? Is it fair to continue to punish us for honest mistakes while our colleagues live an open life of dissipation, which you ignore?
UPDATE: Father Peter Funk comments:
As a member of a contemplative monastery, I was able to do most of my seminary coursework over the internet when distance learning of this kind was in its infancy. I did spend three brief summer sessions at the seminary. My prior and junior master, for a variety of reasons, didn’t want me spending more time there. I didn’t experience anything that suggested widespread corruption, though there was one seminarian whose identity was openly homosexual and had frequent parties at his dorm room. I stayed in the monastery cloister and didn’t attend much of even the officially sanctioned get-togethers. Two women made advances toward me _in class_ (footsy, e.g.), which was enough to convince me that my chastity required separation from any unnecessary social interactions.
I’m now the superior of my community. When we became an autonomous house six years ago, I obtained the authority to found within our monastery our own studium (house of studies). We did this in part because we didn’t feel that the integration of the moral and intellectual life in the seminaries we knew of was rigorous enough for men who are aiming to live the discipline of monastic life. We have our own tradition of psychological and moral discipline, rooted in Evagrius, St. Cassian, and St. Gregory the Great. Diocesan seminaries have a reputation for discriminating against monks who want to wear their habit and return regularly to the monastery of their stability.
Needless to say, I’m more convinced now than I was six years ago of the correctness of our judgment.
It is no secret that young men today face many challenges in maturing, taking responsibility, and acting manly. Since we have a very small pool of men in formation, we can deal directly with these challenges. It also means, frankly, that my own behavior is scrutinized up close, which is a great incentive to work every day at uprooting vice and planting virtue.
I wouldn’t say that these new revelations are a great surprise to me (and again, I’m really grateful for the work you’re doing, especially contacting Keating and your fine obit on Sipe), but it is also the case that I didn’t know the extent of the problem. In my opinion, we would be best served by the Chilean Option, mass resignations followed by an open investigation by the laity.
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Cardinal O’Malley Will Not Attend World Meeting of Families



'Important matters pertaining to the pastoral care of St. John’s Seminary in the Archdiocese of Boston and the seminarians enrolled in the formation program there require the Cardinal’s personal attention and presence' led to the cancellation of his appearance.
Catholic News Agency
BOSTON — Cardinal Sean O’Malley of Boston will not be attending next week’s World Meeting of Families in Dublin due to the ongoing investigation into St. John’s Seminary, the Archdiocese of Boston announced Wednesday.
Previously, Cardinal O’Malley had been scheduled to moderate a panel and discussion in Ireland titled “Safeguarding Children and Vulnerable Adults.” The cardinal is the president of the Pontifical Commission for the Protection of Minors.
In a statement from the archdiocese, it was explained that “important matters pertaining to the pastoral care of St. John’s Seminary in the Archdiocese of Boston and the seminarians enrolled in the formation program there require the Cardinal’s personal attention and presence,” and he therefore would not be making the trip to Ireland.
After it became public that other dioceses had paid settlements to adult seminarians alleging abuse against the former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, a handful of other, younger, former seminarians took to social media to share their own stories about what they experienced while in seminary. Several of these stories came from men who had studied at St. John’s.
St. John’s Seminary educates seminarians from most dioceses in New England, as well as those from the Dioceses of Oakland, California, and Rochester, New York.
In response to allegations of “activities which are directly contrary to the moral standards and requirements of formation for the Catholic priesthood” at St. John’s, last week Cardinal O’Malley announced a “full, independent inquiry“ of the seminary. As part of the investigation, the cardinal placed Msgr. James Moroney, the seminary rector, on sabbatical for the fall semester and installed an interim rector.
The inquiry will examine the culture at St. John’s “regarding the personal standards expected and required of candidates for the priesthood,” as well as issues related to sexual harassment, sexually intimidating behavior and discrimination.
“The allegations made are a source of serious concern to me as Archbishop of Boston,” said Cardinal O’Malley in a statement last week, recognizing that being a priest necessitates earning the trust of both people in the Church as well as in the community.
“I am determined that all our seminaries meet that standard of trust and provide the formation necessary for priests to live a demanding vocation of service in our contemporary.


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106 comments:

  1. There exists an Irish Priest who has expansive experience of Prelates in Rome and USA as well as the places he trained with the Legionaries of Christ (LOL). He left them and became a priest of the Diocese of Raphoe. I invite him to tell his story , his binds all the pieces of the jigsaw of how a young man is "introduced" to high office in the Church. His stopped , he is P.J. Bonner of Raphoe, now in NEW YORK ( last I heard).

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    1. It would be great if Fr. Bonner told us his story.

      There is so much sex scandal in the world wide RC institution that we need more information and more help to make sense of it all.

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    2. I remembered this comment by someone else in a facebook group "In my days at Farnborough, South American seminarians were a fairly regular feature in the house as they were sent (to Cuthbert Brogan) by the Legionaries of Christ seminary in Rome."

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    3. You'd never get a story out of Raphoe. That shower are the best at covering up abuse.

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    4. I'm in Raphoe today for a wedding.

      The people here still revere priests in spite of everything?

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    5. PJ has certain inclinations of a deep seated nature.

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    6. More bullshit Pat, I'm at the same wedding believe it or not!

      Maybe buy you a pint later!

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    7. Fr P J Bonner is not going to tell any stories. He has been mentioned on this blog enough times in the past, but no one took any interest nor even attempted to join up the dots. It's all been on here before over the last two years. Irish College, Rome, Cardinal Sepe and the Jubilee Year in 2000, Italian policemen boyfriends and sex with carabinieri on trains to Milan. And then New York. PJ is a survivor and clearly has a big insurance policy as well as a big something else. Boyce wouldn't say 'booh' to him. No there'll be no news out of Raphoe.

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  2. Fr Bill does t sit right, I think you have an imposter

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  3. Mullaney is revolting but he will set stephen free to roam the altars of munster freely

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    1. Who is Fr Mullaney "revolting" against? - - It wasn't clear...

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  4. 07.20: Why be surprised Pat that the people of Raphoe revere their priests? Parishioners are able to make the distinction between the institutional Church wrongful cover up of abuse scandals and their local priest whom they witness in a very different way. The majority of priests are shocked to the core about the on going revelations and speak out against all injustices and abuse frequently. Primarily the majority of us commit ourselves to our daily tasks and try to do what's best. It is unfortunate that many comments on this blog make generalised, sweeping, dishonest judgments which do an injustice to the majority of priests. Yes, we face a monumental challenge in restoring a deeply broken trust and in truly living the vision of Christ. Looking for gossipy news items has no part in genuine dialogue or analysis in an effort to be renewed, ckeansed and reformed. We all need God's grace in this challenge.

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    1. I'm just surprised that with all that has and is coming out people still are kindly to priests.

      I stayed I a Raphoe hotel last night and I was humbled by how kind the staff were.

      I think you might be underestimating the among of damage done and the enormity of the task of clean up needed.

      We are in meltdown.

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    2. You would probably be more happy if people were not kind to Priests and were hostile and abusive to them. Buckley don't judge people by your own nasty vicious standards because they are not like you, especially towards Priests. You really are the lowest of the low.

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    3. 09.13: Pat, re: my comment at 9.06. I Don't underestimate the challenge. I'm all too aware of the damage - maybe irreparable - that the clerical abuse scandals have caused. In my own life I have to ensure that I try as best I can to live the "true" nature of Priesthood, that of Christ. In an increasingly secular, irreligious world the concept and definition of Priesthood needs a radical rethink - which should always embrace the baptismal "priesthood" of God's people. TRUTH and truth alone will begin a renewal that's consonant with Christ. The task for those of us in parishes is to create a community of welcome, hospitality, belonging and friendship for ALL. I can only do my utmost best in my given situation.

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    4. You sound like one of the "Good guys" to me :-)

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    5. Isn't it very childish and immature to divide people into "good guys and" bad guys"? This is real life - - not a 1950s cowboy film!

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    6. There are more cowboys now than in the 1950s!

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    7. "We are in meltdown?" Pat... Are you part of the RC Church? Go back to your tiny congregation in Larne and stay there. The fact is you attack some for having relationships. You have done what they have done. You have taken the same vow. Have you renounced your vow? A vow you made before God?

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    8. @14:56, it seems to be how Pat sees the world - he is the good guy and everyone who disagrees with him or who he feels has slighted him are the bad guys. In this worldview there also appears to be no real possibility of conversion, forgiveness, or metanoia. Good guys are always good guys. Bad guys are always bad guys. Pat doesn't seem to believe that the bad guys in his world can ever change or be different from the characterization he has constructed for them. And, as a consequence of their being bad guys, Pat has no qualms about dehumanizing them and treating them in the way that Donald Trump treats those who disagree with him.

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  5. Pat, do you think the Pope will address the housing crisis when he comes to Dublin? The inability to put a roof over your family's head for less than €2500 a month in Dublin is a major issue and I hear nothing from the church about this. What do you think Pat?

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    1. I think the pope and church should speak up about all kinds of injustice and deprivation.

      Extreme capitalism and materialism are morally wrong and that needs to said loudly.

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    2. 9 40: Archbishop Martin, Sr. Stan, Fr. McVerry, Be. Kevin, St. V. de Paul, Alice Leahy - all have spoken frequently on this immense injustice. They are the Church!! Obviously we hear only what we want to hear!! That's called being selective or being deliberately deaf!!

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    3. 11.17
      What do u mean ‘’ they are the church’’
      Aren’t we all ...the church.

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    4. L'Γ©glise, c'est moi naturellement!πŸ˜†

      D'accord?😠

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    5. Mad Magna at 12:52

      Polly, I heard the rumor that you were very good at "French" I didn't think they meant the language.

      D'accord?

      Love and prayers B. Eviva Maria!

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  6. Pat,its appalling that Cardinal Wuerl will still be speaking at the WMOF. These men are more concerned about their reputations than victims of abuse. To say that he did not know of McCarrick is a lie and not even believable. I am absolutely angered by this clique of clerical princes,

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    1. You have every right to be angry.

      WMOF is a total farce.

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  7. 10 52: Pat, Don't continue what you began some time ago! You have looked for every opportunity to diminish, ridicule and make fun of WMOF. Despite the many scandals and revelations, all events for WMOF are booked out. Thousands are still lookingvforctickets. Yes, tgere are ibduvidualscwho perhaps should not attend but the line up of speakers, primarily lay professionals in all spheres, is impressive. They will bring much needed inspiratiin, spirituality, vision and challenge to all of us. I am angry at the revelations of recent times - I'm horrified - but I want to contribute in some meaningful way to a process of genuine renewal, healing and outreach. Throwing out cliched phrases like you do will never be conducive to what Christ expects of us. Flinging accusations around on gossip, hearsay and speculation gets nowhere in honest dialogue in addressing serious issues facing the Church. Thank God for WMOF as it has brought to the forefront the absolute necessity for a reimagining of Church. I welcome this in a time of great darkness, searching and challenge.

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    1. Pat @11.18 What sort of educated response is "let us see"? Moron.

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    2. Perfectly rational response.

      Only time will tell.

      Calling people names is moronic surely?

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  8. I hope it goes well also 10.52. The programme is a mixed bag though. The Pope coming has saved the event, not the programme, that's why its booked out

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  9. 11.52: I agree with you Pat - calling people names is moronic! I've been saying that for a long time on this blog. Name calling is moronic...therefore if you believe this, let us see you cease practicing your favourite pastime, name calling. Sure you agree it's moronic!!!

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  10. Hi Brendan / Stephen / Fanny

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  11. I begin to suspect thag tge Milvihill persona on this blog is not the real deal. All his crazed postings don't make sense. His innuendo about DM of Dublin is just nonsense. I would't be at all surprised if the real Fr Mulvihill is away on holidays abd blissfully unaware of tge shennagins here. Either that or he's a total nutter who has flipped his lid.

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    1. I can assure you that Fr. Mulvihill is real as are his comme ts.

      And he neither a nutter or has he flipped his lid.

      He is watching this blog carefully from his French annual holiday.

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    2. Fr Mulvihill is very well and breathing-in the pure scholastic air wafting out of the Latin Quarter where St Thomas taught. He hasn't flipped any lid. He is remarkably lucid and insightful. A new Luther, if ever there was one! Keep up the excellent work, Fr Bill. Tear down the rotten, putrid, filthy structures that the tribalistic laity love so dearly. Beware the Knights of Columbanus in Drogheda are freaking out these days. Remember they told Fr Paul Clayton Lea that they were watching him! And now he is retired early! I'm sure half those fakes on this blog pretending to be voices from Monasterboice are Columbanus boyos belching out fire and fury along the Boyne. Well, only a few more days to go before you bring the house down on the WMOF. They'll love you for that. It's killing them that you have broken no law civil or canonical and they are so furious because they know they can't touch you. You are a priest in good standing and remain so.

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    3. He has broke every Canon Law.

      Have you seen what he refers to as the Church filthy names.

      He has constantly attacked the Archbishops.

      He has brought the Church into great disrepute and he will need to face Canon Law on that.

      There is NO way he can continue as a Priest in Ireland.

      Maybe a Religious Order will accommodate him.

      Good luck to him and the people are praying for him.

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  12. 13.07: Pat, it is now quite obvious that you and Mulvihill have struck up a dangerous liaison with each other. Initially you knew nothing about this guy: then you met him: now you need him to further your aggressive, vindictive vengance, much like his madness. He is a contradiction, a hypocrite, a nasty, selfish b*****d. He cares inky about himself: It's poor me, me, me. He threatens everyone with his malicious intentions. He is a fraud. He should happily sail down the Seine....into oblivion!

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    1. Fr Mulvihill is a sincere, honest, and generous priest. I know him from the streets of Dublin. I have often seen him buy sandwiches and tea/coffee for poor people on the streets. I have seen him stop to talk to them when everyone else passes by. I have seen him give money to them. I have seen him stand up for the homeless and immigrants who have experienced the rough edge of our timid little police force, aka the Stasi. You clearly do not know Fr Mulvihill if you think he is a hypocrite. He may be nasty at times on this blog, but there is such a thing as righteous anger and Irish people can't cope with that. They'd rather fume in private and then stick a knife in a man's back. Oh the vileness of the Irish, a small petty nasty failed race.

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  13. Who cares about vicious, nasty Mulvihill. A crazed, hyped up, angry man. Stay in the city of beauty and love and lights, good food and wine. You're not welcome back to Monasterboice. You have deeply hurt us with your lies.

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    1. Do you really expect us to believe that your are a Monasterboice parishioner? More likely, an old grunt operating on behalf of Ara Coeli or the Knights of Columbanus.

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    2. 19.31: I'm an ordinary parishioner of Monasterboice and am disgusted with the carry on of Mulvihill. He has hurt and insulted all of us. I will be the first to confront him on his return - if he has the courage to do so. He has embarrassed himself.

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    3. Dear Ordinary Parishioner of Monasterboice, why are you disgusted by the 'carry on' of your eminent and erudite parish priest? You should be proud of him! What has he done to hurt and insult you? Told the truth about you. The truth that you, as a parish have not been contributing for years. Because you were supporting a leech from the Holy Ghost order and because you had difficulty with your previous parish priest. So, you all fucked off to mass in Drogheda and abandoned Tenure and Fieldstown. You just can't face facts. Of course, I wouldn't expect you to. Any tribe that stuck with the Whore of Bablyon through the famine and all the rest, can't really give up now without really losing face. Hail Martin Luther. You should all be taken out in Tenure and Fieldstown and forced to read Luther on a cold winter Sunday morning and be whipped if you don't support your parish priest.

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    4. Anonymous at 21:41

      We can see that your not an ordinary parishioner of anywhere. How can you expect any Catholic to be proud of this person, have you read his comments? They are the rantings of a mad man, and you with your Paisleyite expressions and your praise of the renegade priest luther The Great Apostate, you should be taken out and burnt on the stake. Eviva Maria!

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    5. Clearly you have never read St Martin Luther if you think him a renegade. Even the popes of Rome now quote Luther in St Peter's itself. Your theology is stuck somewhere between Trent and Ballinspittle.

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    6. Ah 00:38, that must be Our Lady Of Ballinspittle "Sway For Us!" that particular invocation as someone at F'bro Abbey once said. (In fairness I cannot remember who.) I believe it was said in the presence of someone who would have been hurt and I now regret the pleasure I took. One should never mock another's piety but neither should that piety be used as a weapon against witnesses, seers and prophets whatever their apparent provenance, who attempt to wake us up and point us to deeper truths! Was it not once said "Can any good come out of Nazareth?"

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    7. AnIfonymous at 00:38

      I would never read anything luther wrote. Do tell me when he was canonized? Yes Catholics were appalled to read that a Sovereign Pontiff off his head with false ecumenism had dared say anything about this Renegade Apostate. My theology is Catholic. Eviva Maria!

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    8. Your namesake Cardinal Bellarmine read Luther closely -- and with profit.

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  14. Me too a doubting Thomas and am struggling to believe these are Bill's posts.

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  15. Pat are you pleased that WMOF events have sold out and could have filled the two gatherings twice over?

    The Catholic Church is live and well, you could do a little poaching for the Oratory as your numbers are on the side of a tiny congregation.

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  16. Pat, there is a common thread amongst many of the scandals in seminaries, Boston, Chile, Honduras, Maynooth. Many of the whistleblowers are thrown under a bus, not supported and good men lost to the priesthood. I am a relative newcomer to your blog and this may have all been thrashed out before about Maynooth. I hope that the whistleblower there wasn't treated as badly, I guess that he was whoever he was. I feel sorry for these men, they are the real heroes and reflect Jesus in action,"Zeal for your house has consumer me"

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    1. The policy in Maynooth has been for some time to throw whistleblowers under the bus. They put them out for a year or two, allow them back and if they have learnt the true value of silence they may be allowed stay.

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    2. Maynooth is dead. Killed by the recoilment of its own filth and sin. There are now more bishops in Ireland than seminarians. And the bishops appear not to give two damns.

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    3. 12 seminarians in Maynooth; plus anybody new this month.

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  17. Yes wmof is a farce,as is the Roman Catholic church at present,the game is up for it in this country, mass attendance and recent refferendrums prove this,most people flocking to the papal events are going just for the occasion,the corruption continues ,just look at cloyne the rat on the alter,sickening,I can tell you there is alot of other corruption amongst the clergy in cloyne.

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    1. @16.33 I think you are the farce - just look at tour punctuation and grammar.

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  18. Am I missing something or is there a point to having the Mullaney and Maynooth seminarian in this blog?

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    1. Before the collapse a few carefully chosen Maynooth seminarians were sent every summer to Boston to do odd jobs at the seminary. Reminiscences anyone?

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    2. B/S.
      The carefully chosen few were sent to a fee paying girl's secondary school in England.

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    3. 19:29 is correct. Maynooth sems were sent to Boston back in the "good old days".

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  19. MC is unusually very quiet today except for one post earlier. I expect he's busy with his nephews and nieces.

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    1. Yes indeed. And I love them more than I can say.

      The twins are staying overnight with me tomorrow.

      Thanks for the thought.πŸ˜†

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  20. Every faithful catholic needs to watch this most recent edition of EWTN's World Over. Every diocese in the world needs to be investigated and criminals need to be jailed be they priest or coverup bishop, cardinal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ1oN_iksqU

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  21. 15.43
    My friends going ther are going to see Nathan and Daniel and for the craic.

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  22. Looks like the New York AG is getting ready to launch a grand jury investigation there.

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  23. From Bill Mulvihill's comments in recent days are we to translate some of them as follows:
    Sodano wanted to protect the institution and bury the dirty secrets. Benedict XVI, for all his little faults, was not prepared to do that. Benedict XVI had to go - the shot across the bow on Easter Sunday from Sodano. With BXVI out of the way, bring in Bergoglio who will fool everyone with the radical name, the simple image, will fulminate against financial corruption in the Curia (and will get nowhere on that), all the time doing nothing about the real filth dragging the institution down. Everything must change for nothing to change - very Sicilian! And why did Sodano and friends manage to get B XVI to go? They had something on him from years ago. Why, I wonder, was B XVI's nickname in Munich 'Julie'?

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  24. Get real the church is a cess pit

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  25. At 7.17 tomorrow morning, I shall blog about the biggest Hippocrite in Chrisendom.

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    1. Drink or something else tonight tonight Bill? A little stronger maybe!

      Your not only a Hippocrite, your an ever greater liar, dump your dig collar for good!

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  26. 18.40

    Your summation is excellent. Almost there. Francis is a Fraud, an impostor, put there by a Scottish Masonic Lodge.

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    1. Don't scare the horses Fr Bill. Talk of Masons and Masonic Lodges makes them think you are crazy. They don't understand how these things work in the Roman Curia. They have difficulty with metaphors. Do you remember the book a number of years ago 'Gone with the Wind in the Vatican', written by a monsignor from Puglia who worked in the Congregation for Eastern Churches. He spoke a lot in that book of 'cordate' in Italian - one was masonic, the other Opus Dei. Most people in Ireland dismissed it all and never understood what he was saying. It was a metaphor. And it was all true. In fact, one Vatican insider asked about the veracity of the claims in the book, famously replied that 25% of it was probably true and the other 75% certainly true.
      The Scottish Masonic Lodge is real, however, and there is a huge fascination with it in Rome among young professional go ahead Italians from a southern Catholic background, the type close to the old Christian Democratic party and its heirs. They know all about the Scottish Lodge and the need to be in with it if your career is to go anywhere.

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    2. You need to explain to people that the Scottish Masonic Lodge doesn't necessarily have any connection to Scotland today. It's a historical connection. But I think we could throw in a few names here - Sodano, Giovanni Battista Re, Cormac Murphy O'Connor, Sean Brady,... Am I on the right track?

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    3. Dan Brown wouldn’t be in it!

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  27. As long as I am in Paris I am safe. As soon as Air France lands me in Dublin I am in danger, particularly from the Irish Police Force.

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    1. Guilty of what??? Long runs the cunning fox till it's caught Bill Bob!

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  28. They are not respected in any part of the wider world of Law Enforcement.

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  29. George Pell is innocent. I appeal to what is best in Australia, and it is the most "together" country in the world, to find as they should in a great Justice System. He is being stitched up by the Evil Forces Of The Vatican which he could never see.....so blind was he to the Lie he gave his life to...

    He is a good Man.

    Bill ( William) Mulvihill

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    1. How do you know he's innocent? Were you present on each of the occasions Pell, alledgedly, fiddled with kids? Were you joined at the hip with Pell?

      And when an attendant at a club allegedly challenged Pell as he, starkers, dried himself off in front of young boys staring at his nether region while Pell advised them always to dry their 'bum crack', were you there? Pell, reportedly, did not turn round to answer the attendant, but remained, the entire time, with his back to him. Might this have anything to do with the attendant's ordering Pell not to return there?πŸ˜†

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    2. George Pell's pride may have got the better of him when he took that Vatican job. He didn't stand a chance from the outset. They ran rings around him. And you are right, they were planning his demise from day 1.

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    3. Dutch courage on display from MC.

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    4. Mad Magna at 21:39

      Polly how do you know Cardinal Pell is guilty? Were you present on any of these occasions? No you were not, but you will believe any allegation made about the clergy, because of your hatred of the Holy Church Remember that these charges are allegations and not proven there are a lot of malicious people who make false allegations you
      should know that! Love and prayers B. Eviva Maria!

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    5. Oh, B.! You mad, unfathomable, UTTERπŸ˜† fool. I did not say that Pell was guilty.

      Can't you read?πŸ˜†

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    6. I see that bastard B, along with 22:43, prefer to defend abusers rather than the abused.


      Shame on the paedophilic SCUM! Romansn Catholic verminous moral scum whores.

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    7. Mad Magna at 00:49

      The only B.....d! is you. It's time you were back in rehab. You cretin, I have never defended abusers and want them removed and punished. So get your facts right you deranged piece of SCUM! before you accuse me of defending abusers I have always made it plain in my comments where I stand on these evil men. You as usual just blame The Church,in charity I will still pray for you, as you sorely need it love an prayers B. Eviva Maria

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    8. Mad Magna at23:49

      Oh! Polly You mad,deranged,UTTER cretin. You implied it.

      Can't you read?
      love and prayers B. Eviva Maria!

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  30. Why is this Fr Bonner in NYC and not on the mission in his home diocese of Raphoe?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mia3lsOXODo

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    1. Because he has the dirt on too many high-ranking clerics and so he can do as he wishes. No bishop of Raphoe is going to touch him because he is protected by people in Rome.

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    2. He is a good friend and contemporary of Fr Joseph Briody, who I believe teaches at the illustrious seminary in Boston that's in the news these days. P J Bonner is conservative in his tastes too, but cute enough to be pragmatic and get what he wants. He won't let principle get in the way, which can't be said for Briody, a decent chap really.

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  31. 20.19: Are you about to proclaim an apocalyptic ending to your innocent life! Mulvihill, you are appearing as a grave danger to yourself and your complex mutterings here are very confusing, worrying and bizarre. Why would the police be waiting for you unless you have committed a serious crime? Tell us the TRUTH. You are losing all support in Monastetboice. Get it!!

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    1. 21.37 Losing??? Has lost all credibility and support along time ago.
      Sick to the teeth off his bullshit waffle posts!

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  32. Is that the place that was on tv last night about wrongful arrests.
    What a dreadful happening

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  34. 18 02
    Attack the messenger, ignore the message,I notice a lot of that on here,it seems to mostly come from priests,which I can tell from their comments , I wonder if your a cloyne priest as that would be expected from a culture of bullying and intimidation, which is widespread amongst the clergy in cloyne,at least the rat on the alter in kildollory is now surely finished

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    1. Yes David @22.16. You already made them silly points @21.48 but you removed them. Correct spelling is altar by the way.

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  35. Mulvihill is mad!

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    1. 22:50 Ridiculously stupidly mad!

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  36. I heard today that Dallat was deliberately chosen to be a speaker at WMOF to get up your nose Buckley. It seems to have had the desired effect. It was the bishops sticking up their fingers at YOU and them subtly saying Fuck You. Lol. Good one.

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  37. No sign of another article in the Irish Catholic from Fr Briody, this time on the Boston seminary and 16 years on from his article on Maynooth.

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  38. "Yesterday, Cardinal Sean Patrick O'Malley OFM Cap., the Archbishop of Boston, announced that he would not attend the World Family Meeting held on 21-26 August taking place in Dublin.
    Cardinal O'Malley not only leads one of the most important dioceses in the USA. He is also the representative of North America in the C9 Cardinal Council, which is to advise Pope Francis in the reform of the Curia and the leadership of the universal Church. The Cardinal is also President of the Pontifical Child Protection Commission. As such, he played a central role in the Barros case in recent months.

    It was the Archbishop of Boston who finally internationalized the case of Chilean Bishop Juan Barros after Pope Francis defended Barro in a manner that Cardinal O'Malley found intolerable in his visit to Chile in late January."


    If Cdl. O'Malley is too busy, why should anyone else bother to go. Fact is the protectors of the deviants (Yawn, oh not another altar boy rapist, what shall we do this time?) were/are Francis' great promoters (McCarrick, Daneels and others) and he still needs them and their kind. Bless Cdl. O'Malley for missing this great hypocrisy-fest. So should everyone else.

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  39. Wilson used to chase the boys up and down the corridor wearing just his Calvin Klein bokers. He loved the hunt.

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  40. Pat two more Maynooth seminarians have left seminary and are in a loving relationship together. Maybe you could Marry them as Larne is very close this seminarian's house.

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  41. Any update on Prior's situation as a Priest. Rumour is seeking new employment.

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  42. "Men are loving animals and they are going to love whoever’s near.” Absolutely right. The clergy are indeed "a gay profession", and that is something to be cherished -- as long as abusive relationships are avoided. As the Philly report shows, abuse of minors is very rare nowadays, which is why church reformers focus on abuse of seminarians. But like abuse of students by professors, that is becoming rare too. So now the focus is shifting to seminarians allegedly having sex with one another, which is dreadful only for the celibate ideology or for homopohbes (we don't worry about university students having sex with one another). I think the church is moving to a more humane and understanding and also responsible and disciplined attitude to all these very human foibles.

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