Thursday 15 November 2018

BEING A ROMAN CATHOLIC IS NOW INCOMPATIBLE WITH BEING A CHRISTIAN OR A GOOD PERSON

Can you be a former Catholic? With new betrayal on child sex abuse, I'm about to find out

Melinda Henneberger  Opinion columnist - USA TODAY
Published 5:12 PM EST Nov 14, 2018


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For months, American Catholics had been asked to be patient just a little longer. We were promised that the church’s “summer of shame,” following only the latest revelations about the systemic cover-ups of clerical sex abuse, would finally be addressed this week in Baltimore at the biannual meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

This wouldn’t be just one more round of forced apologies, either, but would involve action — and maybe even a vote on a new standard of conduct for bishops, and an outside commission to review violations of it.

Only, to the astonishment of no one past the age of reason, that’s not going to happen after all.

Instead, Cardinal Daniel DiNardo, president of the bishops conference — who has himself shielded at least one predator — opened the meeting by announcing that the Vatican had insisted on delaying any action until after a February Vatican summit on the scandal.

Let’s not be hasty, right? It would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. Yet apparently, these men need a code of conduct to know not to shield rapists. And they need time to reach universal consensus on a proposal that would simply ask bishops to promise not to lead a “double life.”

In denial about long-running, far-reaching rot

No one can accuse me of being hasty. But after a lifetime of stubborn adherence on my part and criminal behavior on yours, your excellencies, you seem to have finally succeeded in driving me away. I’m not even sure there’s such a thing as a former Catholic, but I’m about to find out.

My hopes for this Baltimore confab weren’t ever high, because fool me 6,000 times, shame on you. But that 6,001st time, well, I’m just all out of willingness to be conned into believing you — who’ve so long seen the devastation of innocents principally as a PR problem — are ever going to change.

Like others who’ve had more than enough of your betrayals and arrogance and perpetual surprise about having coddled child rapists, I haven’t been back to Mass since June. That’s when a man I thought I knew pretty well, a man who unlike other church leaders amid the abuse scandals of 2002 seemed to understand the depth of the damage done, was himself disgraced.

After “credible and substantiated” allegations that the now former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick had taken advantage of seminarians, assaulted an altar boy in 1971 and even, because evil knows no shame, abused the first child he had ever baptized, the accused was shipped off to the quiet of a Kansas friary — thanks so much for thinking of us out here on the prairie! — to pray, repent and, so far, stick to his story that he has done nothing wrong.

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Then in August, we got the Pennsylvania grand jury report detailing more than 1,000 cases of abuse by more than 300 priests over seven decades. Across the country, other states have launched similar investigations, so all the hiding, stalling, law- and commandment-breaking ends here: Basta.

Already, in a joint investigation, The Boston Globe and The Philadelphia Inquirer have found that more than 130 American bishops — almost a third of all of those still living — have been accused of failing to deal appropriately with sexual misconduct by priests in their dioceses at some point in their careers.
“I’m shocked by that number,” Boston’s Cardinal Sean O’Malley, who really is the top clerical abuse adviser to Pope Francis, told The Globe. “It raises a lot of questions in my mind.’’

I’m shocked that he’s shocked, and his surprise answers a couple of questions in my mind: After all these years, is this really the level of understanding of how long-running and far-reaching the rot was and is? And if this is the cardinal who is most on the case on this matter, is it any wonder we are where we are?

The church fell asleep. For a century.

The Globe and Inquirer found that more than 50 bishops have done the wrong thing in this regard even after the 2002 Dallas conference, at which they agreed to a no-tolerance policy for priests but left themselves completely free of oversight on the new child protection policies they were supposed to enforce.
“It’s inexplicable,” O’Malley said of the transgressions of so many bishops even in recent years. “I mean, anybody at this point in history who would not understand the consequences of not embracing zero tolerance and transparency — I cannot understand that.’’

The men who run the church continue to think so well of one another that I sometimes wonder whether they have met.

DiNardo recounted that it happened this way: “In our weakness,’’ he said in Baltimore, “we fell asleep.” Not so much like Peter in the garden, though. More like Rip Van Winkle, and for a century instead of 20 years. 

When and if the bishops do fully rouse themselves, I won’t be in the pews to hear about it.

I am a true-believing, rosary- and novena-praying graduate of St. Mary's Elementary School, the University of Notre Dame and l'UniversitΓ© Catholique de Louvain in Belgium. I covered the Vatican for The New York Times and was a fellow at the Catholic University of America's Institute for Policy Research & Catholic Studies. I never thought it would come to this.


Melinda Henneberger is an editorial columnist for The Kansas City Star and a member of the USA TODAY Board of Contributors. Follow her on Twitter: @MelindaKCMO

PAT SAYS

Being a Roman Catholic today is now incompatible with being either a Christian or even a good person.

It is like being in Germany in the 1940s and continuing to support the Nazis AFTER you found out about the concentration camps and the Final Solution.

Saying that there are good bishops, priests and people in the RC Church is like saying that there were good officers and soldiers in the Gestapo.

Saying that we cannot condemn the RC barrel because there are bad apples in it is like saying that we cannot condemn the Nazis because there were some masochistic influences inside the Nazis.

It is like saying that we cannot condemn Hitler completely because he was good to his mother.

The RC institution has proven that it is an evil institution that is being run by evil men for their own ends.

It cannot be reformed or renewed.

It is a snake - and even if it sheds its old skin it is still a snake.

The corrupt men that abuse and cover up abuse are at the heart of the evil.

But bishops, priests and lay people who stay IN supporting these evil men by their presence, their work or their possessions are simply CO-ABUSERS.

If you enable abuse, even by your silence or inaction, you are still a co-abuser.

I thank the Providence of God that through circumstances beyond my control I was expelled from this institution thirty two years ago.

O Happy Fault!

We are all sinners. 

It is one thing being a sinner - but a completely different thing being an abuser or co-abuser.




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96 comments:

  1. Matters in the Rc institution are only going to get worse. Are we, this side of the ‘pond’, to believe or assume Bishops here are any better?

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  2. Bishop Pat, it has long been my thesis that there can be no such thing as a morally good Roman Catholic priest, since these Christ-betrayers, upon ordination, vow to serve a bishop rather than their saviour, Jesus the Christ. It is why that morally vile fuck and coward, Sean Brady, co-conspired with other morally vile fucks, at the order of a bishop, to conceal the sexual abuse of children by that other vile fuck, Fr Brendan Smith.

    And yet, Bishop Pat, you have always struck back with the claim that there are, regardless, morally good Roman Catholic priests. Really? You mentioned Fr Hugh O'Hagan as an example. I am so angry right now😠 that I could tell you a tale or two about this self-pampered, hissy-fit-throwing piece of clerical caca. HE is the reason that I STOPPED confessing to diocesan priests since my middle teens and confessed instead to a particular religious congregation.

    You have no idea how many people this clerical cunt offended!!! 😠😠😠

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    1. 23.47: Another vile fuck has appeared from under his rock. A vulgar, ignorant man. Obnoxious.

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    2. MournemanMichael.
      Magna your use of "strong language " clearly shows your depth of feeling. You've shown of late admirable knowledge, articulation and apposite criticism. This latter approach is the more powerful and heeded.
      And keep it up for we, certainly I, learn much from it.
      MMM

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    3. Mad Mgagna Caca at 23:47

      Polly as usual your vile disgusting language show you up for the "low life!" you are. It is you that continually throws hissy-fits when anybody dosn't agree with you. I can hardly imagine you ever going to confession, if you went to a particular religious congregation that suited you, we can all imagine why. This good priest Fr O'Hagan probably told you what you didn't want to hear, the true teaching of the Church. I do not know Fr. O'Hagan but I know he must be a good priest as your hatred of him proves that. You have no idea how many people you have offended!!!! with your diabolic anti Catholic RANTS!!! Evviva Maria!

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    4. You need a holiday Magna. Im sorry you feel like you do. I wonder if you let go of everything catholic and let go of your obsession with this blog and disturbed rants would you feel less irritated and angry? Just a heads up from a friend; you are embarrassing yourself. God bless and get some rest

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    5. MAGNA

      You are the first person I have met who was hurt by HOH.

      Are you sure you have the right man - the current PP of Ahoghill?

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    6. Pat - please put an end to Magna's filthy language. Many people have strong feelings in favour of, or against, the Church but do not resort to foul language. I enjoy your blog very much, but I find foul language in the comments to be a real turn-off.

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    7. 23.47: Mags, get off your rocking horse before you kill yourself, throw whatever bottles you have in your press down the sink, learn decency, relax, get rid of your self loathing and all those poisonous toxins from years past and - GROW UP. You debase yourself more each day. You, by your abusive behaviour are the f**k par excellence. God bless and help you!

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    8. Mad! Mad! Mad! Willo at 10:10

      The Mutual Admiration Society are out again, "strong language" that's an understatement if I ever heard one! The language your cohort uses is foul, disgusting and unacceptable if you can't see that, it say's a lot about you. I wouldn't call it articulation it is lack of vocabulary from a nasty auld pedantic bore. Evviva Maria!

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    9. That's right, Bellarmine - the language is disgusting. DISGUSTING.

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    10. @13:27; @14:20; And I suppose the clergy of ‘The Holy Church’ never use foul, disgusting, unacceptable language?

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    11. Bishop Pat, if the parish priest you so admire was originally from Kilcoo, then, yes, it probably is the same man.

      He must have had a Damascus-style conversion for you to speak so highly of him. I have other memories of this person. A pig-ignorant man who took his hissy-fitting out on others. And he NEVER apologised for it Not once. He gratuitiously offended a good many people.

      I can give you one (there are others) example from my own experience of him. I was around 16 at the time and went to confession one Friday night after Mass. I was already in the box, so he wouldn't have known who I was. I heard him approach, and he was, typically, in a filthy, angry mood. He yanked open the door of his box, slammed it shut, and then slammed open the sliding panel in the partition wall.

      'Were you at Mass?!', he snapped.

      'No, Father.'

      Well, you shouldn't be here!

      After that incident, and another similar one in the confessional, I stopped going to him. For good.

      As I said earlier, he was a 'clerical cunt'. Like many other priests in their little fiefdoms, he believed he had a God-given right as a priest to behave as he chose, and never have to apologise.

      F**k the lot of these useless, self-serving, Roman-Whore-pimping spongers.

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    12. 17.49: You are right. We, the clergy never, ever use foul, degrading, abusive or unacceptable language. Who do you think we are? You fool! That Magna bore should be tied up and pushed over a cliff - the c**t and supreme f**k!! Sorry....

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    13. @18:14; Don’t be telling porkies! Three Hail Marys after night office like a good man!

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    14. @9:54;
      ‘The kettle calling the pot black’...

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    15. Anonymous at 17:49

      Well not in my hearing, and if they did, I would not be slow in giving out to them.
      Evviva Maria!

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    16. @17:49:20:32;& 20:05;

      As I said, Bella is an armchair papa with aspirations towards the papacy! Another 'wannabe' pope!

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    17. Mad Magna Caca at 18:09

      Polly If that little incident is the reason you stopped going to confession to this priest you must have been a right little prig. The way you were going on about it I thought it must have been something dreadful. And you're still at it with the foul language and for you of anyone to call a priest a sponger is rich. As you are the biggest sponger, workshy, parasite and whore of all, I suppose it's the GARGLE that's got you demented. Evviva Maria!

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  3. “Being a Roman Catholic today is now incompatible with being either a Christian or even a good person“

    Pat Buckley - hysterical, untrue, bigoted, insupportable and quite simply CRAZY statements like that, are exactly why people cannot give you any credence whatsoever.

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    1. I'm afraid what I say is true.

      Those who support this corrupt institution in any way are part of the problem.

      They may be "nice" people?

      But with all that is going on "nice" is ot enough.

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    2. Patsy at 10:12

      No Patsy what you say is not true, by your own actions you excommunicated yourself ipso facto, and started your own illicit sect. The faithful do not support the clergy who have let us down by their despicable actions by not following the teachings of The Church. But we do support and stay loyal to The Holy Church and to the clergy who have kept to Her teachings, who are the majority we never hear anything about because it does not suit some peoples agenda. Evviva Maria!

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    3. You are fooling yourself, but no one else

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    4. The Church has deep inward resources that ensure she can manifest her life when all despair of her. It happened in the Counter Reformation, in the modern papacy, and in Vatican II.

      We have a mostly gay clergy and some behaved badly with minors when that was a la mode. We have some bishop who "covered up" as people tended to do generally. This is a scandal, but it need not be vamped up incessantly. Together we can all go back to basics, to the luminous words of Jesus that the Church has always placed before itself and the world. Saints and sinners, women and men, heterosexual and homosexual, clergy and laity, we are all one before the mercy seat. Ranting and raving in revved up rage does nothing but trample on the faith that is still the lifeline for the vast majority of the Irish people. Draw on the divine resources lodged in the church, as Christ decided, and you'll find many opportunities to do good, creative, and constructive things.

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    5. There are no divine resources lodged in the RC institution.

      Such statements are simply a see through blanket to cover up naked evil.

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    6. Patsy at 14:47

      No Patsy it is you who are fooling yourself, and I hope no one else. Evviva Maria!

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    7. 10.12: Pat, you are totally wrong. It's an ugly arrogance you have in always defining the rest of us as co-abusers. It's a simplistic mantra, lazy and illogical. You have some nerve to assume you're better than others. You're not and many of us know that from personal experience. A little self reflection and a better look into your conscience would serve you well.

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    8. Bellarmine once again shows that s/he isn't Catholic! You're a Protestant, love, because you think it is up to you to decide.

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    9. @ 20:05;

      Bella is Catholic alright; a lay cheer leader, more clerical than many of the clergy, with aspirations towards the papacy! Presently, an armchair papa!

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  4. Change your password, Pat.

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  5. very offensive tone -

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  6. Melissa's article is very thought provoking, challenging and honest. She probably expresses the feelings of many, many Catholics, including priests and religious. She doesn't engage in nasty, vindictive vitriol or judgment. She makes a compelling argument without the need for vulgarity and abuse. Pat's comments are in stark contrast as he has said nothing new by way of condemnation and judgment. Oh, how good it must be to be so perfect!! As a priest of almost 48 tears, I have given my life as best I can and with commitment, though very doubtful and very challenged by it all at times. I wish for a cleansed and renewed Church and for purification. I'm attempting this process for my own life. For now I remain and pray fervertly that I can effect necessary change within my parish, always beginning with myself. Presenting on self as beyond all others, Pat does a huge injustice to many.

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    1. Father, It seems to me that you are sincere and have done good.

      But whether you like it or not you represent in public the abusers, the abuse cover uppers and the corrupt.

      In your person and parish you are the representative of the corrupt institution :-(

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    2. Your comments on the article, Fr Buckley, are typical of your particular form of hysteria and redolent of your own nasty agenda.

      The vast majority of priests have abused NO ONE! In the eyes of their parishioners they DO NOT represent “the corrupt institution”.

      The corruption in the institution is the responsibility of those who are corrupted and corrupting. It is they who will answer for it.

      Christ warned us about this scenario very clearly and He revealed the remedy for it and the judgement that will come upon those who are the cause of it.

      What’s being promoted by you is your own pathology and people have tired of it, day after day after day, the same old same old bilge - drawing the exact same predictable responses - from the crazies personified by the likes of the “composite” Magna Carta and its toxic, Dr Frankenstein-like, “creator”.

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    3. And you, my friend, are an enabler and excuser.

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    4. And you, “my friend” Fr Buckley at 11:43 can repeat that mantra ad nauseam about everyone who disagrees with you. It won’t make you right and it won’t make your hatred and prejudice into the truth.

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    5. Not the old enabler and excuser thing again. This all becomes rather tedious.

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    6. Tedious maybe?

      But nonetheless true.

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    7. 11:22, have you OPENLY challenged the corrupt institution you want to distance yourself from?

      If you are a D&C priest, did you challenge the obscene and sinful amount of money that was spent by the hypocrite, Noel Treanor, on his large house and extensive grounds?

      If you are a priest, you make me sick. You cowardly bastardos know that if you even so much as squeak in protest, you could be suspended, lose income, even your homes, because of moral charlatans like Treanor.

      This is how much power these episcopal bastardos have. And it is morally wrong.

      But what is morally wrong also is the fact that ordinands take a vow of obedience to such men as that spendthrift and hypocrite, Treanor.

      I am not aware of one, not even one, D&C priest (or any priest, for that matter) who spoke out publicly against Treanor. Not one of you morally useless bastsrdos had the balls to do so. And to think that Fr Gerry McGinnity refers to priests as 'Christmen'. What a joke!

      I said earlier that priests who even squeak in protest could lose a lot. But then, you're not fit to do even that much.

      Yes, the mice have more balls than you lot of sponging, useless bastardos.

      (Just preachin', like.πŸ˜†)

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    8. There we go again, Pat... More disgusting language from MC, generalising and tarring every priest. You say you disagree with his language, yet the fact that you keep publishing it leads us to think otherwise. If it's "unacceptable" (as you said earlier, 11:49), could you do something about it which will foster more respectable discussion?

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    9. Are you a D&C priest? Are you a priest?

      Another useless, financial parasite who held his tongue when a most unChrist-like bastardo spent so much of other people's money on his home and gardens.

      Never mind my language. You have other issues, and should hang your head in shame for your moral cowardice. 😠

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    10. 15:27 (the Magna Carta thingy whatever it is compromised of) - have you openly challenged anything?

      You don’t even exist. You are the projection of sick former and present clerics poisonous rantings - a conglomeration of dysfunction dreamt up by some creep (or a little bunch of them) spewing their hatred.

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    11. 15.27. Oh, how your rejection from seminary still hurts! We know when you emerge from a binge, you idiot. Your thought process is damaged. The virus of hatred, ignorance and badness has corrupted any shred of humanity you may have. You, Magna, are a loser, miserable and crazy. You prove your inner depravity and ugliness more each time. Seek professional help. God bless our many good priests and - Dear Lord, protect them from this abusive, sick trollope, Magna.

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    12. No, Magna Carta, I am not a priest. I don't know how you got that idea from my post...any excuse for one of your filthy rotten rants, I suppose.

      If you have an ounce of decency you will withdraw that judgemental attack you made against me.

      I am merely sick of reading your disgusting language, as, clearly, are many others.

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    13. Another lay cheer leader on the job!

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    14. 17:24, no, my other post will not be retracted, because it clearly wasn't against you.

      You're not a priest, are you?

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    15. It clearly wasn't against me? So you weren't referring to me when, having judged that I might be a priest, you said, "you should hang your head in shame for your moral cowardice"? To whom were you referring, then?

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    16. 19:28, you've answered your own query. My post was against you ON THE ASSUMPTION that you were indeed a priest. But since you declared yourself not to be a priest, then my post clearly wasn't against...

      Dear God! Why do I bother sometimes? πŸ˜•

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    17. @17:23; All 'rejects from seminary' and those who left for whatever reason(s), count yourselves blessed!

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  7. 10.15: Pat, that may be true to some extent but my hope and encouragement comes now from those in our Parish who make the distinction between the institutional, hierarchical Church and what they witness in their own community by priests and religious. I can offer no more than my best which at times is a great struggle. We are as a Church in very deep crisis. Name calling, abusive language as with Magna are not at all conducive to a constructive forum for true change and renewal. He debases arguments through his arrogance and foul language, all with the demon drink!

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    1. I agree with you that Magna's foul language is unacceptable and that in using this he undermines his credability.

      Yes, we must lead the People AWAY from the hierarchy and clericalists and BACK to Christ.

      But they will fight you, and me, all the way.

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    2. You?? Lead people “back to Christ”?? You must be joking, you delusional man. Far from Christ you are.

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    3. And how would you know whether Pat is near or far from Christ.?
      Just look into your own soul.?
      Each of us has a conscience and I follow mine.
      I am entitled to my own opinions but have no insight into how others are.

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  8. It's happened. You have lost the plot.

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  9. The comparison between Catholicism and Nazism is beyond ridiculous, Pat, and I think you should retract it.

    The Church is in the state it's in because people did NOT obey its teachings, not because they did. On the contrary, Nazism did the damage it did precisely because people followed and implemented Hitler's ideology. Furthermore, the fundamental teaching of the Catholic Church, as given to us in Scripture and the Catechism, is good, while the Nazi ideology is fundamentally evil. The abuses in the Church came about because of people who chose evil over good, while Nazism flourished and destroyed millions of lives because people did not choose good over evil.

    If it was the case that the Catholic Church teaches that in order to be a good Catholic one must abuse vulnerable people and then do everything possible to cover it up, your comparison with Nazism might have some validity. Following the teachings of the Catholic Church, as I try to do, does not make me an enabler of abuse or a co-abuser - abusers do not observe the teachings or rules of the Catholic Church, they break them. That's why we're in the mess we're in!

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    1. Following the teaching may no.

      But supporting the hierarchy and clergy does.

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    2. Priests and bishop are just clergy, and wherever there have been clergy there has been anticlericalism. Your script was written millennia ago.

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    3. In the current times being anti clerical is to be Pro Christ.

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    4. No, Pat, it doesn't.

      Being anti-clerical does not make you one iota more virtuous. Even hating the sins of people is worth nothing if it doesn't prompt you to be more Christ-like.

      Luke 18:9-14.

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    5. @14:01; The people who did not obey Church teachings and committed heinous crimes were a significant number of clergy, members of the hierarchy and even Cardinals. They have discredited the gospel, undermined the moral authority of Church and compromised the mission of the Church world wide.

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    6. Anon.18:05 - the truth remains the truth no matter how much its agents turn their backs on it.

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    7. @18:37; Totally agree. The issue is corruption, hypocrisy and criminality amongst members of the clergy and hierarchy. They are supposed to be stewards and servants and not lords and masters. Some of these guys seem to think they are accountable to nobody.
      The clerical culture stinks!

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  10. 15 13: Very strange thinking and logic. Pat, I believe I am pro Christ all my life while I remain in the Church as a priest. I reject clericalism - always have but I do my best in a challenging, difficult situation. Your judgments as usual are always self serving, seeking to convince us that you are the only priest with integrity. Utter nonsense and offensive to the many priests who remain and who do what's expected of them, men who are committed to the ministry they are called to live. You are no better or more virtuous than me or any other priest on the basis of your false illogical statement.

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    1. Where and when have I ever claimed to be a better priest than anyone else?

      Like it or not you are a representative of the corrupt RC institution.

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    2. @17:15; Do priests take a promise to obey their bishop at ordination?

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    3. 17.42: No Pat, I am not an enabler of anything wrong or abusive. But you need to seriously consider your impoverishment of language, empathy, spirituality and intellectual integrity. Your mantra that we're all co-abusers is just sickening, tedious and tiresome. Is that the only response, repeated so often, you can articulate? Your life has many colours, dark, grey and black with a little white! You are a nasty person and an enabler of verbal, emotional and spiritual abuse as evidenced here so often. Look into your own soul.

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    4. @18:15 They do indeed. In fact obedience can be seen running through every Christian doctrine, originating in the problem with the original disobedience which caused the trouble. If Islam is submission, Christianity is obedience, and attempts to get away from that fact will never succeed.

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    5. @19:54;

      So is clergy obedience to the Bishop considered synonymous with obedience to Christ?

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    6. And in that question is the rub, and the origin of, well, pretty well everything that appears on this blog!

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    7. 17:15, you say that you as a priest 'reject clericalism', and yet you willingly, freely vowed at ordination to obey a bishop?πŸ˜•

      You really don't get it, do you? Such vows are at the root of clericalism in the Church, since they place obedience to mere men rather than God at the heart of ministry. It is why that pathetic man, Sean Brady, conspired to conceal the sexual abuse of children by Fr Brendan Smith (and, by doing so, facilitated Smith's vile perversion by allowing him freedom to abuse other children).

      You have not only bought into clericalism through thst morally corrupt vow of yours, but have shown just how blind and self-serving, smug and sanctimonious you have become.

      This all is going over your head, isn't it? 😩

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    8. @20:27 & 20:44;

      If clerics take a promise of obedience to their Bishop at ordination, are they not compromised ?
      Can such a promise lead to moral arrestment or potential moral arrestment and moral cowardice ?

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  11. 14:01, are you an amnesiac?�� You said that the 'fundamental teaching of the Catholic Church' is 'good'. You were being rhetorical, weren't you? Non-literal? Please tell me that you were, for no reasonable person could be so self-deceiving.

    The Roman Whore's handbook you mentioned, the Catechism, violated, until very recently, the twin pillars of Jesus' teaching in the Gospel: first, putting God above all things (for the morons out there, this includes his teaching); and second, loving others as if they were oneself.

    The Roman Whore has not taught ANY of this for nearly two millenia. Instead, the Whore (as is her wont) ******* with the world, again and again, and served her dependents the stale food of compromised teaching, because the Whore taught that it was sometimes morally ok not to love others by putting them to death. In fact, the Whore said that this teaching was from God himself. (What was it Jesus said about calling evil good, and good evil?)

    You are blind to the Whore's wiles, you stupid, complacent Roman Catholic. ��

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    1. 17:54 - Well done there, buddy - you read correctly: the fundamental teaching of the Catholic Church is good. I was not being rhetorical or non-literal.

      BTW, the real Magna Carta would not have blotted out a word with asterisks...unless Pat has taken to censorship.

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    2. Fair enough, 18:24 - you got me.

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    3. 18:24, spoken like a good (in denial and on the defensive) Roman Catholic, forever raising strawman points. πŸ˜…

      Go on: show us what you are made of by addressing my points.

      Go on.

      I dare you. πŸ˜†

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    4. 'Wannabe' Magna alert @ 19:30! 😲

      Not the real deal.😝

      Why have second-best, when you can have me? πŸ˜†

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    5. Mad Magna Caca at 17:45

      Polly the only WHORE is YOU! The great apostate and heretic Magna Caca with your bitter twisted rhetoric and evil rants against The Immaculate Bride of Christ which is The One True Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church. I know that you are a disciple of Lucifer but you still have time, go and make a good confession to the excellent Fr. O'Hagan listen to his advice repent and save yourself from the eternal fires of hell to which you are destined if you continue in your present stupidity, don't be blind, I tell you this in charity. Evviva Maria!

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    6. Poor Bella! She actually believes that she's coming, gloriously and heroically, to the defence of the Whore every time she posts a semi-literate, abusive, ungrammatical reply to one of my comments. πŸ˜…

      Keep 'em coming, you poor deluded thing. You manage to do more damage than I ever could. πŸ˜…πŸ˜…

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  12. Magna makes a lot of excellent points even if colourfully made!

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    1. Thank you, 18:16 - finally someone saying something nice about me today. My usual kind of rant, but it packs a punch, doesn't it?

      Maybe you should go and check my "excellent points" for accuracy though. I'm in no fit state (if you know what I mean).

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    2. Er, THAT at 18:28 is not Magna.

      Just another 'wannabe'. πŸ˜†

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    3. Eh...no he doesn't, anon@ 18.16.

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    4. @18:28;

      You regularly make excellent points on this blog, Magna. When it comes to packing punches, remember, you are dealing with a considerable number of cowardly individuals who couldn't punch their way out of a paper bag.

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  13. The denial in the comments today has to be seen to be believed. All the usual tactics of saying things like it's not me, you're no better than us, what you're saying is tedious, and so on.
    Then Magna idiotically provides the biggest distraction from the subject by giving the Catholic apologists another target to attack. Idiot.
    I maintain that Magna can only be another apologist for the church, not necessarily a priest, whose sole motivation to post here can only be to provide a distraction and turn Pat's blog into a shouting match.

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  14. @19:28;

    Magna, so many of these clerics and lay cheer leaders 'wannabe' like you! Keep making excellent points and ruffling feathers!

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  15. Magna Carta's Mum16 November 2018 at 20:49

    Magna darling, why are there three empty gin bottles and a boxing glove on the stairs? Next to... what appear to be a pair of your Y-fronts (which I am not picking up)? What on earth has been going on?

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    1. Mommie Dearest, now you know very well that I wear only 100%-mulberry-silk boxer shorts. And I don't doubt those Y-fronts were made of anything more sophisticated than cheap cotton fibre. (Sniff 😀) I suppose they belong to one of my tardy 'uncles'. How many have I now? (They're not really my uncles, are they dearest? You can't pull the silk over my eyes, I can tell you. 😊)

      As for the gin bottles: isn't gin your tipple, dearest? You know I much prefer Lidl's lager, at 50p a can.

      And dearest, don't, please, pick up those undies with anything other than the sturdiest tongs. You never know they might have 'skidded' all over the place! 😲

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  16. Why are so many of the clerical fraternity unfaithful to the Gospel and fail to take the Gospel seriously?

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  17. Now then hi. Catholic is a geographical term I think. Are youz following the club or the Christ. The church now is like what the law was to Jesus Great pedigree and no credibility. So many like the sound of their own vices but.

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  18. Oh, Bp Pat, I was bored rigid with today's blog, without even reading it. I like a good gay scandal, me.

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