tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post1656050738028747384..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: JESUS' CHURCH v THE ROMAN CONSTRUCTThinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-59982036595437631552017-02-17T15:15:39.435+00:002017-02-17T15:15:39.435+00:00Think about your comment. There are overlaps betw...Think about your comment. There are overlaps between historical findings and Christian historical claims and there are contradictions. What makes you think Pat is talking theology here? If the historical evidence denies Peter died in Rome there is nothing Protestant about telling the truth. Pat could be speaking from a historical perspective not a Protestant one. Try and work out the difference. And do not forget that many Catholic scholars deny that the Letter of clement which allegedly says Peter was martyred in Rome necessarily means he was killed there. Peter lived a jew and died a Jew. He was not a Catholic or a Protestant or a Pope. Catholicism is another Mormonism (lives in fantasy land with its historical claims) and both would rewrite truth and history completely if they could manage it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-82319144045998920492017-02-17T08:21:04.318+00:002017-02-17T08:21:04.318+00:00I think it's one of those things which while n...I think it's one of those things which while non-sexual in themselves, can be seen to be overly intimate - particularly if the news of massage in the seminary should hit the papers!<br />There would also be a very different atmosphere if, say, sports massage was given by one straight man to another. If one ir both is gay, the closeness and touch involved would already mean a sexual atmosphere, with or without a happy ending lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-20577700218972925232017-02-17T08:14:50.788+00:002017-02-17T08:14:50.788+00:00I can't believe this is a serious question. Ho...I can't believe this is a serious question. However if it is serious, the fact that the questioner has obviously been sexually active with other men but can persuade himself this is ok because he didn't ejaculate, suggests a fine future for his career in the church. Diocesan safeguarding officer in no time!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-73512282748079853492017-02-17T07:11:32.805+00:002017-02-17T07:11:32.805+00:00Pat, in all seriousness, the position you take her...Pat, in all seriousness, the position you take here is one I have heard repeatedly from Protestants of all denominations or none. I am really finding it difficult to see what makes you Catholic in this case...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-44754230856103523692017-02-17T02:21:57.887+00:002017-02-17T02:21:57.887+00:0015:41, not God, but his so-called 'Church'...15:41, not God, but his so-called 'Church'.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-31211345994748808692017-02-17T01:47:50.646+00:002017-02-17T01:47:50.646+00:0016:47, only John, the last of the gospels to be wr...16:47, only John, the last of the gospels to be written (and, therefore, the least likely of them to be chronologically reliable) has Mary at the foot of the Cross. Doesn't this tell you anything?Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-37249327947623654352017-02-17T01:26:56.219+00:002017-02-17T01:26:56.219+00:00Er, truth truth did not desert the (Roman Catholic...Er, truth truth did not desert the (Roman Catholic) Church 'until Luther came along'? Grow the fuck up! And read a book or two on the subject, instead of relying on your juvenile, sectarian prejudice.<br /><br />Surprised to know that you liked what this bigoted ignoramus had to say, Bishop Pat.Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-90214952984668187712017-02-17T01:17:35.621+00:002017-02-17T01:17:35.621+00:00And how, 20:44, do you observe the Lord's Day?...And how, 20:44, do you observe the Lord's Day? By following rules set down by old , clerically collared men in the Roman Catholic Church ? Or by following your loving heart?Magna Cartahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10242128271477821605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-77580461092863773972017-02-17T01:14:14.347+00:002017-02-17T01:14:14.347+00:00On the right side of the pearly gates, you will se...On the right side of the pearly gates, you will see things clearly and possibly not need to ask anything! We are told in Corinthians 1 13 that now we see things "through a glass darkly" but in the presence of Almighty God our perception will not at all be so restricted and limited as it must necessarily be on earth. <br />"Blessed are those who have NOT seen and have believed "Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-37626813893995505192017-02-16T20:44:05.663+00:002017-02-16T20:44:05.663+00:00The Sabbath was NEVER Sunday, the Sabbath remains ...The Sabbath was NEVER Sunday, the Sabbath remains to be Saturday. However, as Christians we are no longer bound by Jewish law and because of this we do not have any obligation to observe the Sabbath. Instead, we observe the resurrection of the Lord: The Lord's Day. Which is Sunday.<br /><br />The sabbath remains Saturday. We do not observe the Sabbath. We observe the Lord's Day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-35560057726648403472017-02-16T20:24:16.010+00:002017-02-16T20:24:16.010+00:00Not all - as part of Coleraine is in Down & Co...Not all - as part of Coleraine is in Down & Connor, and area around Magherafelt is in Armagh - so could be 3 diocesesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-3342351258307343882017-02-16T20:06:49.038+00:002017-02-16T20:06:49.038+00:00I presume all of Co. Derry is in Derry Diocese. I presume all of Co. Derry is in Derry Diocese. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-90309611882361809482017-02-16T19:28:12.961+00:002017-02-16T19:28:12.961+00:00As one of the aforementioned may I say, that shoul...As one of the aforementioned may I say, that should it somehow come to pass that after my death I find myself on the 'right' side of some pearly gates to be greeted by God I would certainly hesitate to tell Him where he had "gone wrong".<br />But I would certainly venture to ask many questions:<br />Why did You give me an intelligence and reasoning faculties, and then constructively make it so difficult to know and understand You and Your wishes without abandoning that intelligence and reasoning ability You gave me?<br /><br />That, in essence, is the nub and summation of my many questions such as those posed in the above comments about the origins, interpretation and significance of the christian bible. And that is only in relation to the Christian traditions of belief. I would also venture to ask what credibility have the myriad of other religious belief systems in relation to You, and how and why have You allowed such disparate beliefs to evolve and persist?<br />In point of fact, if such should come to pass I would certainly be delighted to have the opportunity to ask such questions and rely on the patience you refer to to permit me such liberty.<br />But I'm not a betting man.<br />MMM<br />PS. Thank you for the questioning comments above relating to the origins of christian belief.MourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-5807304944545761932017-02-16T18:07:02.575+00:002017-02-16T18:07:02.575+00:00Not all seminarians are having sex, many are actua...Not all seminarians are having sex, many are actually serious about the priesthood and willing to commit to celibacy. You guys who are having sex or looking to have sex are a joke. If you cant keep it in your pants in seminary then you wont be able to hack it as a priest. Be honest with yourselves! If you want to spend your time massaging guys become a massage therapist or something, you clearly dont have a vocation to religious life. God save us from the products of Maynooth!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-48321500314965574512017-02-16T18:06:10.877+00:002017-02-16T18:06:10.877+00:00I wonder if the Co. Derry PP refered to in yesterd...I wonder if the Co. Derry PP refered to in yesterday's blog is in the Diocese of Derry or the Archdiocese of Armagh? The one seen with the dolly bird in restaurants pretending she is a relative.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-57015637033186799512017-02-16T17:19:02.409+00:002017-02-16T17:19:02.409+00:00Absolutely untrue.
I have heard nothing from Gorg...Absolutely untrue.<br /><br />I have heard nothing from Gorgeous or anyone associated with him - apart from Archbishop Diarmuid Martin weeks ago.Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-74170785547998002452017-02-16T17:17:45.927+00:002017-02-16T17:17:45.927+00:00Jane - if there has been "no freedom of speec...Jane - if there has been "no freedom of speech for a long time", when do you think there was "freedom of speech" exactly? John 6:66, perhaps? Do you think the truth and the teaching of it should be decided by a majority vote? Teaching the truth - even truths that are hard - is not bullying; on the contrary it is a divine mandate. There is no freedom of speech if what one is speaking is contrary to the truth: that is not freedom.<br /><br />I do agree with you on the Church imposing the "horrible new mass"...You are always free to attend a traditional Latin Mass, if there is one near you...but it's probably the only Mass at which you will hear authentic Catholic doctrine being preached, including Humanae Vitae!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-89702439808275341072017-02-16T17:09:26.435+00:002017-02-16T17:09:26.435+00:00Gay Seminarian I wouldn't feel guilty about ki...Gay Seminarian I wouldn't feel guilty about kissing etc, just enjoy it and live your life to the full. Life is too short to be hung up on things like this, let's face it quite a few Seminarians are having sex anyway.<br />Fellow SeminarianAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-82505103341074846412017-02-16T17:08:30.483+00:002017-02-16T17:08:30.483+00:00You say that "Transubstantiation came to us i...You say that "Transubstantiation came to us in the 12th century" and "I do believe in the Real Presence" - doesn't this rather disprove your point?<br /><br />The fact that a word (i.e. transubstantiation) came into use to describe what happens in the Mass, does not mean that belief in the Real Presence is an invention. Development and deepening of doctrine does not equal invention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-46491569719965056282017-02-16T16:47:08.725+00:002017-02-16T16:47:08.725+00:00"I prefer Jesus to Origen, Ambrose, Augustine..."I prefer Jesus to Origen, Ambrose, Augustine and Athanasius" - there is hardly any opposition if they were teaching the truth. They were teaching "those truths found in Jesus". You said yourself that there is development of doctrine and practice, yet you present a dismissive attitude towards the early Church fathers who were merely articulating this development and passing on apostolic teaching.<br /><br />Come on, Pat - you should know that in Hebrew and Aramaic there were no words for "cousin", "nephew", "aunt", "step-brother", "step-sister", etc. so the word "brother" or "sister" was used. It is clear that Jesus was Mary's first-born. If there were other sons (i.e. younger brothers of Jesus), why did Christ entrust Mary to the care of John at the crucifixion? In Jewish law, the responsibility of caring for a widowed mother passed to the eldest son - but Jesus passed it to John. <br /><br />Virginity is not a Catholic hangup - in fact, you, Pat, seem to have more of a hangup about it by denying that which is overwhelmingly supported by the evidence of Scripture and the testimony of the early Church fathers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-13833042002157887472017-02-16T16:28:14.241+00:002017-02-16T16:28:14.241+00:00Bishop Pat I can't help but notice that you ha...Bishop Pat I can't help but notice that you haven't posted anything about Deacon Michael gorgeous Byrne in recent weeks. The story on the streets of his homeland is that you have been "warned off" is that true? Concerned friend of both Gorgeous and You.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-19435712281347211832017-02-16T16:16:25.975+00:002017-02-16T16:16:25.975+00:00Surely massage is not sexual unless there's a ...Surely massage is not sexual unless there's a happy ending Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-82181304704383510382017-02-16T15:44:20.019+00:002017-02-16T15:44:20.019+00:00Seminarian - were you ever with Deacon Michael E J...Seminarian - were you ever with Deacon Michael E Jackulate Byrne :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-58273423908932398172017-02-16T15:43:20.776+00:002017-02-16T15:43:20.776+00:00The Roman church has driven many good people away....The Roman church has driven many good people away. There has been no freedom of speech for a long time. It bullies people into submission. It binds them in fear and guilt, lies and deceit. It brought in humanae vitae. It allowed the child abuse scandals. It imposed on us that horrible new mass. It became a tyrant and a bully. Many have left but they still have faith and pray. It will never be the same again. We will never let it have that much power again. Our priest is a lovely humble man of prayer, but I think he suffers horribly knowing how corrupt it is.janehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05480966555246917336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-88176629290155281532017-02-16T15:43:06.574+00:002017-02-16T15:43:06.574+00:00I would have no problem with you kissing, loving, ...I would have no problem with you kissing, loving, massaging and even ejaculating with another person in the context of love and affection.<br /><br />However the Church you hope to become a priest in forbids all those things outside the context of a valid marriage.<br /><br />How do you feel about that?<br /><br />How do you feel about living - now and in the future - a "double life"?Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.com