tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post2953296878818261545..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: PAEDOPHILE HYSTERIAThinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-32338185991825469642016-06-05T02:26:02.548+01:002016-06-05T02:26:02.548+01:00Since the suggestion of adopting 'handles'...Since the suggestion of adopting 'handles' (rather than just Anonymous), over 100 commentators have provided a wide variety of handle names, some geographical and others inventive and amusing. In doing so, it makes it easier to know who is commenting to/on whom. It would be good if more did so, for, as in above sequence, it is difficult to know what comment relates to whom or another anon comment.<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-87807791747626028932016-06-04T23:41:47.137+01:002016-06-04T23:41:47.137+01:00MMM, are you a retired clinical psychologist? Or p...MMM, are you a retired clinical psychologist? Or perhaps a retired social worker?Wilhelm Wonkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969897373215424586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-57159877788555353052016-06-04T16:22:53.045+01:002016-06-04T16:22:53.045+01:00I think Pat made the right call on this one.
I s... I think Pat made the right call on this one. <br /><br />I stand corrected on my previous point. I've just seen the emotive response that was posted. <br /><br />Well, I think if that person needs to get it off their chest then Pat did the correct thing in allowing them to express themselves. As previously said it is an emotive issue. I am sure MourneManMichael being a former therapist to abuse victims will not have taken it personally. And will have agreed it is better to let this victim express how they feel than to block it. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-83214818366678405222016-06-04T16:19:03.871+01:002016-06-04T16:19:03.871+01:00Firstly, I have seen no indication of any form of ...Firstly, I have seen no indication of any form of hysteria on this post, which probably disproves Pats main assertion. <br /><br />Secondly, Pat may well feel hurt by the Catholic Church. But we have to remember Pat is a man who has and does do it his way. I suppose if that brought him into conflict with what he signed up to and swore an oath to it is unfortunate. But it was Pat's choice. <br /><br />I suppose what previous commenters have meant when they have criticized Pat in the past is much in line with Pat's blog post. Not to become hysterical about the hurt caused. Heal and move on. There will be no healing for Pat until he lets go of his obsession with the Catholic Church hierarchy. I suppose it could be seen as being much like a victim of sexual abuse becoming fixated with their abuser. It serves no purpose and will only prevent the person from healing and moving on. So I think people are suggesting that Pat should not dwell on past hurt, but move forward in the light of Christ and be fruitful. <br /><br />I don't actually believe this blog is in anyway helpful to Pat himself. It is just raking over past hurts and hurting other (innocent) people in the process. I would agree that Pat will surely have a calling from God to do good. I don't think this blog fulfills that calling. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-8349686579151207092016-06-04T12:46:51.010+01:002016-06-04T12:46:51.010+01:00Pardon me!
Terminology used was - Expletive Delete...Pardon me!<br />Terminology used was - Expletive Deleted! <br />You can an should do this, Bushop!!!!!<br />PipAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-4136756625856638872016-06-04T12:41:08.184+01:002016-06-04T12:41:08.184+01:00Onca again, Bishop, could you please refuse to pu...Onca again, Bishop, could you please refuse to publish comments containing obscenities - even the Americans, dealing with Nixon's transcripts entered - frequently - obscenity deleted.<br />And how necessary is it to use such language?<br />PipAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-13704607917919601992016-06-04T07:09:31.469+01:002016-06-04T07:09:31.469+01:00I would just like to thank several of the commente...I would just like to thank several of the commenters for if not proving Pat's point about hysteria, then showing how difficult it is even to have a sensible conversation. <br />Something else strikes me frequently on this blog, that the many comments about Pat having a chip on his shoulder are exactly the church's response to abuse. When you have been fucked up by the church as Pat has, it leaves scars, and to insult him for having those scars is the same response as the church's to sexual abuse of children. In fact it continues the abuse.<br />Keep it up, Pat, I have a feeling there's laughter in heaven ready for you. <br />Funny how Nichols looks like Savile! I'm sure I read that Savile copied his hair from Myra Hindley! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-20398436584651467542016-06-04T03:40:09.580+01:002016-06-04T03:40:09.580+01:00Could I explain something to you, Anonymous at OO:...Could I explain something to you, Anonymous at OO:52 on June 4th, responding to MMM?<br /><br />I am wide awake at 3:30am. Can I ask you to to let your imagination consider a six year old boy having his <br />trousers and underpants forcibly pulled off by an adolecent youth and human fingers and parts of a tree inserted violently into his anus? <br /><br />What if it was your son? Or you? Or your daughter? That is sexual abuse.<br /><br />Forcible penetration and genital manipulation of a child/teenager Do you get it yet? You f>>>ing sick and twisted, wan.er???<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-66872316564809724402016-06-04T01:44:38.860+01:002016-06-04T01:44:38.860+01:00Is it just me, albeit I've just returned from...Is it just me, albeit I've just returned from customary pints of Guiness in pub, but I just can't understand or follow the 'logic' in Anon's comment @ 00:52.<br />Can he/she please explain, in simple terms, exactly what the comment's point is, other than a broad unsubstantiated criticism of +Pat?<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-89518449047889344932016-06-04T00:56:18.374+01:002016-06-04T00:56:18.374+01:00You should watch a place of pedophiles documentary...You should watch a place of pedophiles documentary for Louis Theroux. It would not agree with you Anon 22.25Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-55930997340926696822016-06-04T00:52:55.532+01:002016-06-04T00:52:55.532+01:00MMM- Anon 19.59 was clearly taking the piss out of...MMM- Anon 19.59 was clearly taking the piss out of Pat Buckley's assertion that victims are hysterical on the issue. <br /><br />It's odd that when Pat is so firm in hiss believe that the subject prompts hysteria in society, the media and victims, that with so many thousands of readers he claims to have, there doesn't seem to be a single comment that I would consider hysterical.<br /><br />Pat seems as out of touch on this issue as he seems to be on everything else. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-11980002230794956342016-06-04T00:49:44.356+01:002016-06-04T00:49:44.356+01:00Bravo MMM! The anon commentator to whom you refer ...Bravo MMM! The anon commentator to whom you refer is beneath contempt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-5790940034798478282016-06-03T22:25:57.723+01:002016-06-03T22:25:57.723+01:00Absolute nonsense that castration works as all rep...Absolute nonsense that castration works as all reputable studies show. It may well prevent offenders having erections, but you will also need to cut of their limbs and sow up their mouths to stop them using those to assault children. Think about it. Its not just the sexual organs that are used as weapons of assault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-4053018634772377612016-06-03T22:16:48.346+01:002016-06-03T22:16:48.346+01:00This whole subject is an extremely sensitive one a...This whole subject is an extremely sensitive one and raises issues both emotive and necessary. Sexual attraction to pubescent and pre pubescent children is a mental illness that cannot be cure, but can be contained and managed. Those who are unfortunate enough to have this dreadful affliction, are not monsters; not morally good or bad - even if their actions are. They are ill and they need treatment. I have long believed that prison is not the answer. I know from friends who are both chaplains and professionals sent into prisons to deal with sex offenders that the system just makes sex offenders incarcerated into more sophisticated and therefore more dangerous sex offenders. Trial transcripts of tier cases, often dealing with forensically detailed accounts of their departed actions, are passed from offender to offender to stimulate and arouse acts of self abuse. Something else is needed. Treatment, incarceration in secure psychiatric units? The debate must be had. The present system isn't working or mending the problems. Bishop Pat you are courageous and to be praised for encouraging the discussion and debate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-91327753070089011162016-06-03T22:07:09.725+01:002016-06-03T22:07:09.725+01:00Is it just me or does the youthful "Fr Trendy...Is it just me or does the youthful "Fr Trendy" Vinnie not bear a remarkable resemblance to Sir James Saville, Papal Knight, et al? He looks like his brother with those luscious locks and lapels. All we need in a chunky gold medallion on a chain and a few bling rings on his fingers. Mind you I suppose he has all that now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-21949114265973433312016-06-03T21:57:12.306+01:002016-06-03T21:57:12.306+01:00Many of you, even those without personal or profes...Many of you, even those without personal or professional experience, will recognise the lack of knowledge, understanding or compassion in this Anon comment @ 19:59.<br />But I think it needs said.<br />Dear Anon @ 19:59, I suggest you read up on some professional insights into the nature and effects of child abuse before making such an ill informed derisory comment. I specifically suggest reading professional literature rather than victim survivors' stories, for I suspect from your comment you would make light of their stories.<br />My own professional knowledge is now fairly well dated: I'm over 10 years out of professional practice in the issue. But having just googled "Professional literature on child abuse" I see there is much up to date reading available, and perhaps some other reader more abreast of developments may suggest the best current source.<br />I would welcome your comments after you've perused and thought more about the subject, but please do not reply from your current patently obvious limited perspective.<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-81929254938837472302016-06-03T20:03:25.016+01:002016-06-03T20:03:25.016+01:00Castration does work. Many pedophiles in America h...Castration does work. Many pedophiles in America have opted for it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-15172047239430508772016-06-03T20:00:40.200+01:002016-06-03T20:00:40.200+01:00And yet, Pat can't say what the appropriate re...And yet, Pat can't say what the appropriate response should have been. Maybe he thinks a few verses of "he's a jolly good fellow" should have been sung. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-13220496918358303152016-06-03T19:59:08.195+01:002016-06-03T19:59:08.195+01:00Careful Anon - You are becoming hysterical. If you...Careful Anon - You are becoming hysterical. If you are feeling devastation or anguish you really need to chill out and get over it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-49966642418614628842016-06-03T16:07:40.675+01:002016-06-03T16:07:40.675+01:00It is indeed a highly charged issue. I too am a vi...It is indeed a highly charged issue. I too am a victim/survivor. Abusers cause multi-levels of devastation and anguish. <br /><br />However, I do not agree with the lynch mob attitude. My stomach turns when I hear "kill/castrate". Abusers have to live too and I pray that they will turn to God for mercy and forgiveness.<br /><br />What is absolutely essential is that they be corralled - kept well and far away from children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-77542540173417325332016-06-03T15:30:54.161+01:002016-06-03T15:30:54.161+01:00There is no successful treatment for paedophilia. ...There is no successful treatment for paedophilia. There is only life long management. That management requires the support of therapists, social workers, counsellors, probation and pastors. Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-29330281783396970472016-06-03T14:16:36.009+01:002016-06-03T14:16:36.009+01:00The gathering had absolutely nothing to do with ab...The gathering had absolutely nothing to do with abuse or him.<br /><br />It was a public charity event and someone in the crowd recognised him and went berserk. Thinking Catholicismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-17092273800394376012016-06-03T13:52:31.233+01:002016-06-03T13:52:31.233+01:00I'm afraid there is, sometimes, hysteria over ...I'm afraid there is, sometimes, hysteria over child sex abuse, and it is partly driven by anger, the kind of anger I saw in my daddy's face that day, when I told him what had happened to his six-year-old son. But back then, there <br />was neither precedent nor procedure for dealing with such things, at least <br />legally, and it was the ignorance this generated that prevented daddy's rage from morphing into something that might have driven him to inflict serious <br />physical harm on that boy and had my daddy sent to prison. For this, I am grateful.<br /><br />Personally, I do not want to be hysterical in this way, or in any other. Yes, I <br />feel righteous anger, as should everyone else against such manifestations <br />of evil. But this kind of anger is not blindly...and <br />indiscriminately...destructive, both of oneself and others. It is constructive anger, and it allows for forgiveness and healing. For redemption, in other words.Wilhelm Wonkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17969897373215424586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-2177051179513119202016-06-03T13:49:52.667+01:002016-06-03T13:49:52.667+01:00I think Pat the point that person was making is th...I think Pat the point that person was making is that you have no idea who has suffered abuse or how abuse has touched the lives of people in that crowd.<br /><br />Going by the statistics provided by the one in three charity, it was probably at least 100. <br /><br /> I think by accompanying that man, you were being very insensitive to victims. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-79771905732299193642016-06-03T13:45:57.247+01:002016-06-03T13:45:57.247+01:00pat. u haven't said what the appropriate respo...pat. u haven't said what the appropriate response was. <br /><br />I assume such a meeting would only be held if it was about him being housed in an area that caused concern to residents. I would say there is understandable cause for alarm. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com