tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post3397843000305221403..comments2024-03-12T19:57:41.861+00:00Comments on THINKING CATHOLICISM: REDEMPTORIST NEW METHODS :-)Thinking Catholicismhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16589713565062075036noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-28102069931678652612016-09-30T17:37:00.301+01:002016-09-30T17:37:00.301+01:00Jarlath at 12:59, was the "sacred worship&quo...Jarlath at 12:59, was the "sacred worship" Mass, or in a Free Presbyterian Church? <br /><br />You come on here using bible-thumper terminology that certain types of Protestants use and insultingly refer to the Catholic Faith as "romanism" - a term employed by certain types of "Christians" who hate the Catholic Church. <br /><br />And then you get stroppy, belligerent, crude and offensive when someone tackles you back. You also have a fully blown martyr complex, Jarlath.<br /><br />I think St Jerome's dictum applies to you: "“It is worse still to be ignorant of your ignorance".<br /><br />You're a big boy and well able to dish it out, so don't be surprised when someone comes back at you.<br /><br />For all your cosying up to Bishop Pat, the "evangelical" "Blood and Book" mentality you are so taken in by, would condemn him and people like him, to Hell.<br /><br />Observer, Co Down. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-51014163978996555772016-09-30T17:19:23.008+01:002016-09-30T17:19:23.008+01:00Dear Anon 14:21, your specious line of reasoning i...Dear Anon 14:21, your specious line of reasoning is not in harmony with the Church, the Bible, Popes, Tradition or the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Pope Benedict was not espousing his "personal opinion". Since you have not read the text properly, below is the opening line for you again:<br /><br /> "In his recent interview published as the book Light of the World, Pope Benedict XVI noted that the Vatican has repeatedly stated that men with a homosexual orientation should not be admitted to the priesthood even if they performed no homosexual acts". <br /><br />Your mumbo jumbo nonsense is an indication of the warped theology you have been fed with in Maynooth. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-88344304490544093962016-09-30T14:21:18.942+01:002016-09-30T14:21:18.942+01:00So the only argument brought forth about whether o...So the only argument brought forth about whether or not candidates with a homosexual orientation can or cannot enter seminary is the personal opinion of Pope Benedict, based on a shaky grasp of science (and a logic which he recently rejected in Last Conversations when discussing how he rejected the theological reasoning underlying Humanae Vitae (thought not its final conclusion)). And presumably a new directive from Pope Francis would change the discipline of the Church on the matter even though few bishops interpret the directive in the same way as Pope Benedict did. Using the same natural law Thomistic reasoning, we must therefore conclude that any man who masturbates (a mortal sin with the same moral consequences as homosexual sex let's not forget) has acted against "sexuality's intrinsic meaning and direction", and if he masturbates as of habit, that his sexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation. Does anyone have any tips on how we might root out these masturbators so that we can ensure that the priesthood is kept healthy? I also think that if these masturbators are in the seminary, they must be exposed in the same manner as these Grindr users, given that the spiritual consequences of their sin are the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-19915012338594288172016-09-30T12:59:54.302+01:002016-09-30T12:59:54.302+01:00I've just returned from sacred worship to read...I've just returned from sacred worship to read another two (faceless - of course) unwelcome comments from Faceless @ 00:57 and Faceless @ 9:59. I will just say this: you(plural) and I are SINNERS. I do not claim to be a good Christian. But I accept the vicarious Sacrifice at Calvary. Evidently, the Faceless (insomniac) @ 00:57 knows me. Would you care to meet me in person? And then you will see how sensitive I am. Bring it on big lad! Make my day / night! It can be arranged. As regards Faceless @ 9:59, as far as I am aware, "ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God".<br />God bless you all.<br />Jarlath Vaughan - a SINNER like everybody elseJarlath Vaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991111257326535658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-70259671623975166492016-09-30T12:10:29.155+01:002016-09-30T12:10:29.155+01:00"The Congregation for Education issued a deci..."The Congregation for Education issued a decision a few years ago to the effect that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation estranges them from the proper sense of paternity, from the intrinsic nature of priestly being. The selection of candidates to the priesthood must therefore be very careful.<br />The greatest attention is needed here in order to prevent the intrusion of this kind of ambiguity and to head off a situation where the celibacy of priests would practically end up being identified with the tendency to homosexuality." <br /><br /><br />"Sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual. We could say, if we wanted to put it like this, that evolution has brought forth sexuality for the purpose of reproducing the species. The same thing is true from a theological point of view as well. The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman <br /><br />And, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future. This is the determination internal to the essence of sexuality. Everything else is against sexuality's intrinsic meaning and direction. This is a point we need to hold firm, even if it is not pleasing to our age ...<br />Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation.<br /><br />Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway." (Pope Benedict XVI, Light of the World, p.152)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-18926577557071304952016-09-30T12:01:26.143+01:002016-09-30T12:01:26.143+01:00You are detached from reality Anon 11:35.
You ha...You are detached from reality Anon 11:35. <br /><br />You have been trained well in art of lies and deception by your masters in Maynooth. A prime candidate for a future Irish bishop or seminary formator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-82946494301575218332016-09-30T11:58:26.302+01:002016-09-30T11:58:26.302+01:00Below is for all the liars and those on hallucinog...Below is for all the liars and those on hallucinogenic drugs in Maynooth: <br /><br />In his recent interview published as the book Light of the World, Pope Benedict XVI noted that the Vatican has repeatedly stated that men with a homosexual orientation should not be admitted to the priesthood even if they performed no homosexual acts. He stated that he did not want celibacy to be an excuse to attract people with a homosexual orientation. There are several reasons for this stance. The priesthood is not a denial of the spousal meaning of the body which underlies marriage. This spousal meaning entails the fact that since man is a composite of body and spirit, the body is the physical self by which the gift of the soul which characterizes married love is finally ratified. The giving and receiving of sperm and ova expresses physically the prior giving and receiving of soul. This gift of self to another, for those who are called to it, can also be realized by the gift of self to God as is the case with virgins and religious. Though celibacy is a discipline, because of the all-encompassing concentration of forces necessary for the priesthood, realized especially in the consecration of the Eucharist, it is a fit means for carrying out this spousal meaning of the body. As a result, a priest must have the same ability to give the gift of himself totally as a married man does; only his gift is to the whole Church. There is an argument as to whether homosexuality is a result of nurture or nature. In either case, as long as this condition remains, the total dedication of self required of the priest would not be possible. If this is the result of nature, this cannot be changed; and the person could not contemplate a priestly vocation. If this results from nurture, then it could be changed; in which case after a person has changed it, he could pursue the priesthood. © 2011 by the Catholic Medical Association. All rights reserved.<br /><br />https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275506615_Pope_Benedict_XVI_on_the_Priesthood_and_HomosexualityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-23238316106767026222016-09-30T11:35:09.564+01:002016-09-30T11:35:09.564+01:00He has got his facts straight. The dicastero state...He has got his facts straight. The dicastero statement in 2005 was Benedict's statement. Truth implies that we actually hear what is being said with respect, and not believe media at face value (even if they add to any discussion imho). Pope Benedict never said homosexuals are not to be admitted. If he had he would have nullified the Catechism. The term deep-seated tendencies WAS Pope Benedict. But let's not forget that the papal authority of Benedict has passed to Francis. Sometimes I think conservatives are only obedient to the popes they like - protesting against those they disagree with (and yes, I use the term protesting advisably)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-45020014490422409502016-09-30T10:22:08.770+01:002016-09-30T10:22:08.770+01:00Moral relativism starts with the Ego (I) and ends ...Moral relativism starts with the Ego (I) and ends with the Ego (I). Everything revolves around the "I". If "I" want to be a woman, even though my chromosomes and physiology say I am a man, I can be a "woman". If "I" say green is red when it is really green, it is "red" for me and green for you - sure who cares man? Moral relativists can no longer engage in any meaningful discussion about reality or morality because they twist everything back to themselves and project themselves onto everything. Even words lose all meaning and become detached from their true semantic moorings. They even twist the words of Truth Himself - Jesus Christ.<br /><br />The main problem with Maynooth is moral relativism. They don't believe in the God revealed by Jesus Christ; they only believe in the "I".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-18629360443629680442016-09-30T09:59:56.440+01:002016-09-30T09:59:56.440+01:00My oh my, Jarlath, talking about the Precious Bloo...My oh my, Jarlath, talking about the Precious Blood and arse holes all in the one spew. Says it all really......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-9716013801288517682016-09-30T09:55:01.100+01:002016-09-30T09:55:01.100+01:00More boring relativism...yawn.Like stupid dogs run...More boring relativism...yawn.Like stupid dogs running around after your tail in endless circular arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-51469639905670327142016-09-30T01:11:06.669+01:002016-09-30T01:11:06.669+01:00Please kids, play nicely--!Please kids, play nicely--!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-38961373551838222442016-09-30T00:57:20.850+01:002016-09-30T00:57:20.850+01:00Folks, can't you all see from Jarlath's wo...Folks, can't you all see from Jarlath's words what a nice Christian gentleman he is? <br /><br />Don't annoy yourselves with him - the feckin aul eejit. He's well known around Co Down for a head the ball.<br /><br />He can dish it out but he can't take it when he's called out on his own "boiling rage" and venom. <br /><br />He's a sensitive soul you see. It comes from spending all that time stuck up his own arse hole :-)<br /><br />The man from God know where Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-6347518918083982702016-09-30T00:56:49.200+01:002016-09-30T00:56:49.200+01:00Welcome back Dalriada D. You haven't commented...Welcome back Dalriada D. You haven't commented for a while now. Your comment above is very apt, especially your summing up of all the bible quoting stuff as 'schoolyard point scoring'. I simply do not get involved in arguments with such persons as there's simply no point to it. <br />The problem I've found in discussing beliefs with such persons has been their complete unwillingness to consider there could possibly be any other belief, or interpretation of reality, than what they themselves hold. They will not acknowledge their viewpoint as possibly one of arrogant intolerance, for to them, there is only one truth, and as they hold it, it entitles them to denigrate any other view differing from their own. Perhaps the origins of such totalitarianism lie in the absolutes of Thomistic philosophy and theology?<br />MMMMourneManMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-34986984504396995532016-09-30T00:03:18.191+01:002016-09-30T00:03:18.191+01:00To Faceless @ 23:43 and 23:48: Dear Faceless contr...To Faceless @ 23:43 and 23:48: Dear Faceless contributors, did I say that only I was redeemed by the Precious Blood. Don't be such an imbecile. And to that other faceless contributor: I know where I stand - maybe your head is up your arse-hole -but don't try the cheap one-liners with me. They don't work. It's your bedtime - your're ready to hit the sack - but don't forget to fill the pan first. Maybe that's the sort of bookie-shop / corner-boy language you people understand? God bless.<br />Jarlath Vaughan (neither faceless nor fearful)Jarlath Vaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991111257326535658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-73849329156204536212016-09-30T00:00:12.618+01:002016-09-30T00:00:12.618+01:00Mary..just ignore him, I do, and all the other bib...Mary..just ignore him, I do, and all the other bible narrators.when I was at school, grammar too, we didn't read the bible, so I have no intentions of reading it at my stage in life.we read a couple of gospels according to Matthew and Mark..I think.<br /><br />I've lived and earned my living by the sweat of my brow until I was 65, I'm still working but not sweating as much now.<br />Gay people are welcome to be priests, I object to clerical students choosing the priesthood to indulge in gay sex in seminaries.<br />Many women read and post here..I'm one, a mother, grandmother.<br />So please stop all this bible and scripture quoting..Pat doesn't show off.<br />Just try to be good Christians or whatever is your bag...I couldn't care less..I know several lovely Muslim peeps too.<br />Today's posters have been boring...and I've just enjoyed Bridget Jones latest laugh filled flick.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-47564485079456335342016-09-29T23:58:01.887+01:002016-09-29T23:58:01.887+01:00Benedict himself ordered that no homosexuals were ...Benedict himself ordered that no homosexuals were to be admitted to seminary and that none were to be seminary staff. Get your facts right asshole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-37823821475235207432016-09-29T23:53:50.270+01:002016-09-29T23:53:50.270+01:00"Act like a Christian" Ms. Doyle? I woul..."Act like a Christian" Ms. Doyle? I would hardly describe your words of seemingly boiling rage towards me as "act like a Christian!"<br />Ms. Doyle, let's be clear: I don't hate you - indeed I will pray for you - but I will not lie down and roll over as the likes of you and your sort spew out out your words of sarcasm and nauseating, hackneyed, threadbare, heard-it-all-before, cheap prate over the blog / internet. Good night - and settle down dear. Take a cup of warm Horlicks and - as they say - sleep tight. God bless.<br />Jarlath VaughanJarlath Vaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991111257326535658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-3088314049858905972016-09-29T23:48:24.793+01:002016-09-29T23:48:24.793+01:00Poor you, Jarlath - mauled to shreds indeed. Would...Poor you, Jarlath - mauled to shreds indeed. Would you ever wise up. You are so blinded by your own arrogant stupidity that you are unable to see your own need to cop on and exercise a bit of control over the vitriol you spew all round you at others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-40674658960125038292016-09-29T23:43:23.628+01:002016-09-29T23:43:23.628+01:00We are ALL redeemed with the Precious Blood, Jarla...We are ALL redeemed with the Precious Blood, Jarlath - not just you. Take your head down out of your own backside and learn a bit of humility. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-28656388207715490242016-09-29T23:39:16.952+01:002016-09-29T23:39:16.952+01:00Utter bullshit. You are another one who can't ...Utter bullshit. You are another one who can't connect words on a page with their required semantic meaning. Truth is a correspondence of mind and being! Not your version of reality or how you would like it.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-29761743019373392842016-09-29T23:16:01.026+01:002016-09-29T23:16:01.026+01:00You are a self righteous, arrogant, ignorant and a...You are a self righteous, arrogant, ignorant and aggressive man, Mr Vaughan, who does plenty of "finger waving" waving himself. Go<br />And learn some humility and how act like a Christian. <br /><br />Mary Doyle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-83389721461000055182016-09-29T23:05:22.223+01:002016-09-29T23:05:22.223+01:00I sit here reading the increasingly heated school ...I sit here reading the increasingly heated school yard type attempts at point scoring on matters biblical. It's boring! Do all you ecclesiastical historians and biblical scholars never come to the conclusion that you are indulging in wasted scholarship. Try the golden rule. Do unto others as you wish done to you. Remember unconditional love is the greatest human act of all. When I snuff it I don't think the good chap above will be interested in whether I'm well versed and can argue a salient point in the Acts of the Apostles and cross reference it with a similar reference in the Book of Wisdom. He'll be more interested in me if I showed kindness to others and perhaps helped some soul who was struggling on the road of life.<br />And if there is a God- and it's an increasingly big if- I trust he puts me in a part of the hereafter where I will be far distant from some of the self serving,opinionated and complete dickheads who populate this blog and who are full of wind and piss and their own ( and only their own) self importance. Give it a rest chaps. You're only impressing the increasingly voracious demands of your own egos. And boy are they demanding.<br /><br />Dalriada Dick<br /><br />Ps Nice to see MMM still around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-40682002864722060842016-09-29T23:04:10.845+01:002016-09-29T23:04:10.845+01:00Sean Page @ 22:02. Thanks Sean; yes, that wee exce...Sean Page @ 22:02. Thanks Sean; yes, that wee excerpt from 1st Cor. 3-4 is a most thought-provoking portion of sacred Scripture since it has a human dimension to it: an inherent danger of men following men's ways - as opposed to Christ our Saviour. Huddling and cuddling up to a particular denomination is not my scene. Did not Christ say: those who are not against me are for me? I mean: it's Romanism, Sean, that seems to cause me a lot of head-scratching. Did Christ wear cloth-of-gold, embroidered vestments? Was He carried around in a "Popemobile"? Was He revered like the way Peter was (see Acts 9:27) by Cornelius? Like - there's more to spirituality than statues. And yet, on this blog, I have been mauled to shreds by those whose insatiable - dare I say hared? - of me is because I embrace the Word of God. I can sense - even on the internet - the vitriol that exudes from the hearts of those who, I suppose, would love to control me, perhaps. Being a fully-grown adult, with plenty of neck wrinkles - and a bit of height - I am fearless; but: what about young folk who receive menacing trolls from riffraff? Anyway, to get back on track, yes: some certain people need to wind THEIR necks in. <br />God bless Sean.<br />Jarlath VaughanJarlath Vaughanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991111257326535658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3543129696041324861.post-16165650712743932852016-09-29T22:28:30.322+01:002016-09-29T22:28:30.322+01:00Anyone in need of a good laugh.. a bit of comedy,...Anyone in need of a good laugh.. a bit of comedy, amidst all the tragedy ? See;<br />YouTube Dave Allen on religion xoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com